1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,733 Speaker 1: from news Talks at b. 3 00:00:13,133 --> 00:00:15,933 Speaker 2: Twenty two to twelve on news Talks, he'd be Jason 4 00:00:15,973 --> 00:00:18,853 Speaker 2: Pine might have been pulled away from his beloved Wellington 5 00:00:20,133 --> 00:00:22,013 Speaker 2: to be in Hamilton for the All Blacks, But of 6 00:00:22,053 --> 00:00:26,133 Speaker 2: course Wellington is hosting Wrexham FC versus The Phoenix later 7 00:00:26,213 --> 00:00:29,813 Speaker 2: this afternoon five pm kickoff, and Catherine Rain's, our book reviewer, 8 00:00:29,893 --> 00:00:31,053 Speaker 2: is going to be there in the stand. 9 00:00:31,133 --> 00:00:33,293 Speaker 3: Tay, Catherine, Hey, how are you doing? 10 00:00:33,413 --> 00:00:35,653 Speaker 2: Yeah? Very good things. So so you're a REXAM fan 11 00:00:35,773 --> 00:00:36,573 Speaker 2: or a Phoenix fan. 12 00:00:37,413 --> 00:00:40,093 Speaker 3: Oh, look, probably a little bit of divided loyalties, but 13 00:00:40,773 --> 00:00:43,173 Speaker 3: probably erring slightly towards Wrexham. 14 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:44,533 Speaker 2: I think just very good. 15 00:00:44,653 --> 00:00:47,773 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I'll go and hang out at the 16 00:00:48,213 --> 00:00:51,693 Speaker 3: Makeshift to pub and see what the atmosphere's like and 17 00:00:52,093 --> 00:00:52,693 Speaker 3: start from there. 18 00:00:52,733 --> 00:00:54,653 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be so much fun, amazing, 19 00:00:54,733 --> 00:00:56,693 Speaker 2: isn't it. How like a TV show like that can 20 00:00:56,773 --> 00:00:59,493 Speaker 2: can and I presume you've watched the TV show can 21 00:01:00,333 --> 00:01:02,973 Speaker 2: develop a fan base around the world, so that team 22 00:01:03,053 --> 00:01:05,253 Speaker 2: like that can tour Australia and New Zealand and they 23 00:01:05,253 --> 00:01:06,213 Speaker 2: can expect twenty thousand. 24 00:01:07,893 --> 00:01:10,013 Speaker 3: I just think it's amazing and I think I also 25 00:01:10,093 --> 00:01:13,253 Speaker 3: think that what Ryan Reynolds and Rob mclhoney have done 26 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:15,973 Speaker 3: for the team. I mean, obviously their Hollywood background has helped, 27 00:01:16,733 --> 00:01:18,613 Speaker 3: you know, but just how they've built up the city 28 00:01:18,653 --> 00:01:20,293 Speaker 3: of Rixham as well and the people around it. And 29 00:01:20,333 --> 00:01:21,973 Speaker 3: what I like about the TV show is that they 30 00:01:21,973 --> 00:01:23,933 Speaker 3: talk about all of the characters they're involved, and it's 31 00:01:24,013 --> 00:01:26,053 Speaker 3: not just about the players, it's about the town. It's 32 00:01:26,093 --> 00:01:28,733 Speaker 3: a really interesting watcher for sure. Anybody hasn't watched it 33 00:01:28,773 --> 00:01:29,613 Speaker 3: as well? Worth while? 34 00:01:29,653 --> 00:01:31,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they called the real life ted Lesso 35 00:01:31,533 --> 00:01:32,013 Speaker 2: in a sense? 36 00:01:32,773 --> 00:01:33,213 Speaker 3: Yeah they do? 37 00:01:33,453 --> 00:01:35,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh so good. So they're in the championship 38 00:01:36,173 --> 00:01:38,413 Speaker 2: next season, which is going to be a big ask 39 00:01:38,493 --> 00:01:40,693 Speaker 2: but amazing and so good that the big Cacaci is 40 00:01:40,693 --> 00:01:42,173 Speaker 2: going to be playing for them as well. But anyway, 41 00:01:43,053 --> 00:01:46,213 Speaker 2: two reads to recommend to us this weekend. So we 42 00:01:46,253 --> 00:01:49,373 Speaker 2: will begin with the latest from Steve Braunius tell us 43 00:01:49,373 --> 00:01:50,293 Speaker 2: about Polkinghorn. 44 00:01:51,453 --> 00:01:54,053 Speaker 3: So this is where and Steve Bornis is as a 45 00:01:54,093 --> 00:01:56,413 Speaker 3: journalist and he's covered a lot of murder trials in 46 00:01:56,413 --> 00:01:59,693 Speaker 3: New Zealand and this one about Pokinghorn. He set through 47 00:01:59,773 --> 00:02:02,653 Speaker 3: and he listened to what you can only really describe 48 00:02:02,653 --> 00:02:05,933 Speaker 3: as a very intriguing and unusual murder case. And of 49 00:02:05,933 --> 00:02:08,653 Speaker 3: course this covers that eight week trial of Philip Polkihorn, 50 00:02:08,653 --> 00:02:11,813 Speaker 3: who was accused of murdering his wife Pauline Hannah, and 51 00:02:11,853 --> 00:02:14,493 Speaker 3: the police quickly suspected him of murder and then sort 52 00:02:14,533 --> 00:02:18,093 Speaker 3: of slowly, and as Braunius describes, not altogether in a 53 00:02:18,093 --> 00:02:21,373 Speaker 3: particularly competent way, went about investigating every aspect of his 54 00:02:21,493 --> 00:02:24,453 Speaker 3: life and a lot about his sex life, and finally 55 00:02:25,173 --> 00:02:27,813 Speaker 3: arresting him for the murder of his wife sixteen months 56 00:02:27,813 --> 00:02:30,213 Speaker 3: after he made the one one one call after saying 57 00:02:30,213 --> 00:02:32,773 Speaker 3: that she hanged herself in there room you were a home, 58 00:02:33,333 --> 00:02:37,293 Speaker 3: And of course now we know he's been acquished, and 59 00:02:37,333 --> 00:02:42,573 Speaker 3: it's just it's fascinating. Braunius discusses Madison Ashton, the sex 60 00:02:42,653 --> 00:02:45,973 Speaker 3: worker who had this relationship with Popinghorn, and you know, 61 00:02:46,093 --> 00:02:48,253 Speaker 3: kind of that was the motive that he had to 62 00:02:48,613 --> 00:02:51,333 Speaker 3: kill Pokinghorn. But you know, as we know, she disappeared 63 00:02:51,373 --> 00:02:54,013 Speaker 3: and refused to appear, only of course later to have 64 00:02:54,973 --> 00:02:58,253 Speaker 3: converse fully with the media. And what I found really 65 00:02:58,293 --> 00:03:01,493 Speaker 3: fascinating about it is that normally when someone's on trial 66 00:03:01,493 --> 00:03:03,733 Speaker 3: for murder, they kind of hidden sort of behind a 67 00:03:03,733 --> 00:03:06,133 Speaker 3: glass box and that's where they are, and he wasn't 68 00:03:06,453 --> 00:03:07,773 Speaker 3: fine to that at all. He sort of had a 69 00:03:07,853 --> 00:03:10,413 Speaker 3: row to himself behind his legal team and he appeared 70 00:03:10,413 --> 00:03:12,213 Speaker 3: at the kind of the dock at the beginning of 71 00:03:12,213 --> 00:03:13,813 Speaker 3: the trial to enter his plea and at the very 72 00:03:13,933 --> 00:03:16,373 Speaker 3: end otherwise he was sort of part of the population. 73 00:03:16,493 --> 00:03:18,733 Speaker 3: And you know, I suspect that he formed some relation, 74 00:03:18,893 --> 00:03:22,133 Speaker 3: you know, relationships with people in Chattingham in the courtroom. 75 00:03:22,213 --> 00:03:26,533 Speaker 3: And but the trial revealed these very dark secrets of 76 00:03:26,573 --> 00:03:29,373 Speaker 3: these privileged and very unhappy life and brauni has had 77 00:03:29,413 --> 00:03:32,013 Speaker 3: access to many of those key players in the investigation, 78 00:03:32,133 --> 00:03:35,093 Speaker 3: and it just it makes for really interest in reading 79 00:03:35,093 --> 00:03:36,333 Speaker 3: in a different perspective on it. 80 00:03:37,093 --> 00:03:39,853 Speaker 2: So there's Polkinghorn by Steve Braunius. You've also read Broke 81 00:03:39,973 --> 00:03:42,533 Speaker 2: Road by Matthew Spencer, so. 82 00:03:42,493 --> 00:03:46,533 Speaker 3: This is something completely different. There's follows two detectives, Des 83 00:03:46,613 --> 00:03:49,653 Speaker 3: Rose Riley and DC Prior Patel, and they head north 84 00:03:49,733 --> 00:03:52,333 Speaker 3: to this village in New South Wales in the beautiful 85 00:03:52,373 --> 00:03:55,653 Speaker 3: Hunter Valley called Red Creek, and a young married woman there, 86 00:03:55,693 --> 00:03:59,493 Speaker 3: Penelope Armitage, has been strangled in her home on this 87 00:04:00,053 --> 00:04:03,453 Speaker 3: newly built townhouse on this residential development, and it becomes 88 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:06,653 Speaker 3: very clear that she knew who had attacked her and 89 00:04:06,693 --> 00:04:10,493 Speaker 3: who murdered her, but the evidence suggests that she was alone, 90 00:04:10,773 --> 00:04:14,453 Speaker 3: and so Riley is told to be wary of the 91 00:04:14,453 --> 00:04:16,373 Speaker 3: local police force and she sort of sets up her 92 00:04:16,373 --> 00:04:18,893 Speaker 3: own instant a room away from the police station. And 93 00:04:18,933 --> 00:04:21,773 Speaker 3: then the media becomes interested and the tablaiu joiness lists 94 00:04:21,893 --> 00:04:24,773 Speaker 3: start to appear, and then they're framed a very trusted 95 00:04:24,773 --> 00:04:27,533 Speaker 3: true home journalist, a guy called Adam Bowman, he appears too, 96 00:04:27,533 --> 00:04:29,653 Speaker 3: and he starts to talk about the series, and they're 97 00:04:29,733 --> 00:04:32,213 Speaker 3: joined by this local detective, a guy called Christian Rigus, 98 00:04:32,613 --> 00:04:35,653 Speaker 3: and they investigate the circumstances of the death and carry 99 00:04:35,653 --> 00:04:39,133 Speaker 3: out these investigations and witnesses and Bowman on the other hand, 100 00:04:39,213 --> 00:04:42,253 Speaker 3: is using his journalistic skills to sort of deep deep, 101 00:04:43,253 --> 00:04:45,773 Speaker 3: to a deep dive into the political ruption corruption within 102 00:04:45,813 --> 00:04:49,253 Speaker 3: the community. And then the forensic results come in and 103 00:04:49,293 --> 00:04:51,573 Speaker 3: there's a connections to other murders, one in Canberra and 104 00:04:51,573 --> 00:04:53,973 Speaker 3: one in Adelaide, and Riley and at ten've got to 105 00:04:53,973 --> 00:04:56,773 Speaker 3: figure out how they're connected and narrowing down their suspects 106 00:04:56,933 --> 00:04:59,973 Speaker 3: to work out who they're dealing with, and the author 107 00:04:59,973 --> 00:05:02,973 Speaker 3: does this really good job of building suspense and lots 108 00:05:03,053 --> 00:05:05,613 Speaker 3: of suspects and keeps the story moving and lots of 109 00:05:05,973 --> 00:05:08,493 Speaker 3: red hea and shifty characters, and it's that kind of 110 00:05:08,493 --> 00:05:10,373 Speaker 3: book that you just keep wondering who really did it? 111 00:05:10,573 --> 00:05:12,933 Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, that sounds great. So that's Broke Road by 112 00:05:12,933 --> 00:05:16,973 Speaker 2: Matthew Spencer. Catherine's first book was Polking Horn by Steve Brawny. 113 00:05:16,973 --> 00:05:18,893 Speaker 2: Has have a great time at the game this afternoon, 114 00:05:18,893 --> 00:05:19,293 Speaker 2: won't you? 115 00:05:20,013 --> 00:05:20,693 Speaker 3: I will thank you. 116 00:05:20,893 --> 00:05:22,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be thinking of you. Katherine Rain's our book 117 00:05:22,893 --> 00:05:24,533 Speaker 2: reviewer there. Those books will be on the news Talks. 118 00:05:24,573 --> 00:05:27,533 Speaker 2: He'd be website as well. 119 00:05:26,573 --> 00:05:29,693 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live 120 00:05:29,773 --> 00:05:32,613 Speaker 1: to news Talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or 121 00:05:32,693 --> 00:05:34,573 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.