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Speaker 1: this morning, Oh, there, massive perv.

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Speaker 2: Don't you find that the algorithm on Instagram it's just

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Speaker 1: That's right, former Mockers front man and round the World sailor,

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Speaker 4: You do you get into the street. I don't know

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Speaker 1: How would you want to do that?

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Speaker 1: No, And that's what the book's about. Do you not

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Speaker 3: But This is interesting, Andrew, because you said you're very

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, actually they visit. They came along pretty

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Speaker 2: Can still concerned that they're looking at you, going, this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, quite possibly. I'm sure they sort of think, you

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Speaker 4: No, No, like I took fishing gear just in case,

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Speaker 4: I was really happy where I was. That was the plan,

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Speaker 4: I was I was those big seas down in the

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00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 4: Southern Ocean usually are coming from the west and going

440
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 4: to the east.

441
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 2: So you're surfing yeah, yeh yeah.

442
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 4: You're pretty yeah yeah, you know, you're you're getting up

443
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 4: to six seven knots and so and you're running down

444
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,239
Speaker 4: when so the wind's always behind you. So even though

445
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 4: the motion's quite violent and you're going up and down

446
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 4: a lot, when you're inside, I sleep in a thing

447
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 4: called a it's just a bunk, like you know anything,

448
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: but it's got what I call it, it's a lee cloth,

449
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: which is like a sort of a hammock sort of thing,

450
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: like a big piece of fabric that comes up and

451
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 4: sort of locks you in place, so so you don't

452
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 4: fall out of bed essentially, so you're just sort of

453
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 4: strapped and it's actually quite secure and comfortable. And then

454
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 4: you know, you're just there and you can hear the

455
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: water rushing past all the you know, the boats rushing

456
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 4: through the water, and there's a lot of motion. But

457
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 4: we got we got slammed, like big sideways hits.

458
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 2: You know.

459
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 4: When the wind shifts, it leaves what we call cross

460
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 4: leftover cross swells from the last wind direction, and it

461
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 4: always goes from the northwest to the west to the southwest,

462
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 4: basically in the Southern Ocean, and so i'd get you know,

463
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 4: the boat was getting these big you could hear these

464
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: breakers coming and just filling up the cockpit. The boat

465
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 4: was all sealed up, so the water can't go inside.

466
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 4: That's that's crucial. But you know, the cockpit would be

467
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 4: completely fought up, so if you're sitting out there hands

468
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 4: it's like sitting in a spar pool. Basically, Suddenly you'd

469
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 4: get this big white water that would just fill up

470
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 4: the coppit up to your waist. But then it all

471
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 4: drains away outside, you know, out into the sea, and

472
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 4: then off you go again. You know. But those big

473
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 4: hits that the boat took cracked the glue line on

474
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 4: the skeg, and it had three bolts you know, through it.

475
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 4: And eventually, after a few weeks it completely came off,

476
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 4: and then the boat was leaking. You know, it was

477
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,239
Speaker 4: taking in like ten twenty liters a day, but I

478
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 4: was just sponging out with a bucket, you know. But

479
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 4: once that skeg came off and there was no directional

480
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: stability like before, then the wind vein stopped working. So

481
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 4: then I had to you know, I couldn't carry on

482
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 4: going around the world just hand steering, you know. I

483
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 4: had to have that wind vein.

484
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: Because you have to sleep at sometimes.

485
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I was the nearest land. Then

486
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 4: was the thousand miles North, which was bit Kern Island.

487
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 4: You know, Mutiny on the Bounty, all that stuff.

488
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: And you spent a bit of time there before because

489
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: you've been doing a bit of a run working on

490
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: a boat. That was that was furying goods there, back

491
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: and forth from New Zealand.

492
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was after I left RadioLIVE. That was my job.

493
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: I got into the marine industry. Industrial boating, we call it.

494
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 4: It's one step up from recreational boating. Every everything wants

495
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 4: to kill you. Everything's rusty and noisy and has the

496
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 4: potential to kill you. People live on yeah, they do.

497
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: Fifty two people, you know, not many.

498
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: All the sentence of the mutinies from yeah, Christian, all

499
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: that stuff.

500
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: Crazy, quite an amazing, absolutely wonderful little island. You know,

501
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 4: it's only it's tiny. It's like little barrier, you know,

502
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 4: one and a half miles by two miles. It's nothing,

503
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 4: and it ousn't it. It's British. It's British yeah, the

504
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 4: British have got it. Yeah, it's a British territory. Yeah,

505
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: so what currency they use, they use, They use everything right,

506
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 4: you know. And it's also quite cheap when you go

507
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: to the general store, you know.

508
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: Six six.

509
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: They don't want to go there to scoot around. It's

510
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: the only thing I know about six is the main currents.

511
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: So if you draw a.

512
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: Line between Auckland and Ecuador, is it about.

513
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: Is it kind of South America?

514
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 4: It's northeast. Yeah, yeah, it's so. Pitt Kern is about

515
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 4: three thousand nautical miles northeast.

516
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: It's not big in the middle of it doesn't have

517
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: any harbor or anything.

518
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: It's like little Barrier Island which haven't got a harbor.

519
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: It's just cliffs and they've got a little landing platform

520
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: and it tucked in behind the rocks. But my plan

521
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: was to get there. It was a thousand miles north,

522
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 4: so after the ski had broken, I thought I'll get

523
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: up there. I was talking to them on the satellite

524
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 4: text machine and going to use their crane. I knew

525
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: they had a little crane because, like like you said,

526
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: I've been there.

527
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: You could peddle your sex steady steady, my you could

528
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: sell you sell yourself. You're a good looking man in

529
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: command on that island. Andrew, Yeah, you've gone too far.

530
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: Not a lot of visiting musicians to pick. Yes, just

531
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: that's how you pay for the repairs on your boat.

532
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: Well, I was trying to get there, and they were

533
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: going to be They were being really accommodating, and they

534
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 4: were quite prepared to lift my boat out with the crane,

535
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 4: and I thought, great, I'm going to be there for

536
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: a few months. I brought a new skeag and then

537
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 4: I'll carry on. But just after the first day of

538
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 4: trying to sail north, I managed to do forty five

539
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 4: miles and eleven hours, which was pretty good going. That

540
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 4: was handstreing, just sitting there by yourself. And then the

541
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 4: rudder snapped off. And once the rudder snapped off, then

542
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: I was stuffed. You know, that was it. You know,

543
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 4: you're totally incapacitated. Couldn't couldn't go anywhere. I tried to

544
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: make a couple of what we call jurry rudders, you know, replacements,

545
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 4: but I didn't. It just didn't work for me. You know,

546
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: I could have I could have sailed, you know, if

547
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: I was that great Barrier Island and had to sail

548
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: fifty miles back to Auckland with the jury raudder. I

549
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 4: could have done it, you know, very slowly, clumsily, but

550
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: not not a thousand miles.

551
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: You're not.

552
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: You're in the middle. You're in the middle of the

553
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: South Pacific, like the middle.

554
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: I was quite close to a place called Point Nemo,

555
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 4: which is which is the most remote place on planet

556
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: Earth from land.

557
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean looking at a map because one

558
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: thousand is it miles or case miles miles north pi

559
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: Cam which is also in the middle of nowhere, and

560
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: that's you're miles away from that.

561
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

562
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sixteen hundred k's is a is a

563
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: long way.

564
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: It was well converted JOm.

565
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could have popped a hungold or

566
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: is that in Rappa, I don't know. It's to the

567
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: east of piccn that that's it's in the park, you know,

568
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: that's east as Easter Island.

569
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, that was another thousand miles further further, further.

570
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: In talking about some massive distances there, Yeah it is.

571
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 4: And so I've been out like forty in the end,

572
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: it was forty five days. But like I say, time

573
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: means nothing once, you know, once you get into that

574
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 4: rhythm of just you know, day and you're always just

575
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: paying attention. You know, you do your sleep in a

576
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: couple of hours, wake up, you know, make sure the

577
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 4: boat's still going fast, as fast as possible. Make sure

578
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: no one's going to run you over, you know, but

579
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: there's no one doubt, you know, the chances have been

580
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: run over out there. It's pretty slim.

581
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: No, So then I we can talk about what happened

582
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: to because it's like, of course, yeah, okay, So then

583
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: you put out the call and you were speaking to

584
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: people back in New Zealand and you put out the call,

585
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: Well they were concerned about you. You really were fine,

586
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: you were you were safe. Yeah, you were floating around, Okay,

587
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't go where you wanted to go, but you

588
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: were not freaked out or anything like that. You had

589
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: lots of food on board. You were not worried that

590
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: something was going to happen to your boat. The keel

591
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: is still going, so you're going to stay upright, that's correct.

592
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: Lose you kill, you're in some city, you're.

593
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: In trouble, whole other level.

594
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's different. But Rada just means you can't really see,

595
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: so you're basically floating around at the worm of the

596
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: wind and currents. That's true, and then you end up

597
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: speaking to everyone back home and in the end you're deciding,

598
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: really what you're doing is you wait, you want to

599
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: be helped to pick ken. You want to kind of

600
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: choose the boat that saves you almost don't need to

601
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: be saved, that helps you out. Unfortunately, it doesn't really

602
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: work like that with land and Rearch rescue. They just

603
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: get the nearest boat that's wherever it is, and that

604
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: comes and picks you up.

605
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, which was really unfortunate because I had, like I

606
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 4: had an A B C plan and A I was

607
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: wishing that there was maybe some British naval vessel around

608
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: doing drills and they would have come down and just

609
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: because the boat's so small, just winched it up up

610
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 4: and thrown it on the deck on a couple of

611
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: tires and loads, strapped it down and off we go

612
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: to fight another day.

613
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: You know.

614
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: That didn't happen. Then Plan B was I was hoping

615
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: that some vessel would turn up with it like a

616
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: rib you know, rigid inflatable bottomed boat that would come

617
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: across from their ship, and I could throw my thirty

618
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: k's worth of everything that I'd been working for and

619
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 4: saving up for for the last five years. Life raft,

620
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, fourteen months of freeze drive food which isn't cheap.

621
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: You know, my water maker also, you know, solar panels

622
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: solve everything like lots of electronics and stuff, you know,

623
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: GPS is. I was hoping that someone would come across,

624
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: throw my bags on, take me and you know, unfortunately

625
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: you wave goodbye to the boat. That didn't happen. And

626
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 4: in the end it was just uh, you know, a.

627
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: Three hundred meter container ship, that's correct, which I answered

628
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: the call.

629
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: What the biggest three hundred meters It can't even get

630
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: into into Auckland, it's too big, It only goes into

631
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: Napier and too wrong.

632
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: Wow, how far away was this ship?

633
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: He was about four hundred miles away. So what happened

634
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: was they Search and Rescue and Wellington, I mean they

635
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: put you know, once they knew I was in trouble

636
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: via put Ken Island and the New Zealand International Police

637
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 4: and stuff, then they sort of started putting the pressure

638
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: on me as far as they're concerned. You're you're a problem.

639
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: You know, if you're just if you're incapacitated, just floating

640
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 4: out there, you're a red flag to them, you know.

641
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 4: But like Jeremy said, you know, I didn't feel it

642
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: wasn't in a life raft. You know, the the boat hadn't.

643
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: So I was still sitting on the boat just bailing

644
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: it out every day, you know. So so I said

645
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: to them, I said, oh, you know, can I pick it?

646
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: Because I didn't want to inconvenience any big ships. And

647
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: I knew that, you know, I was talking to a

648
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: friend on a souper yacht who there's this app called

649
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: Marine Traffic and you can actually see where ships are

650
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: out all over the world. So he reckoned there was

651
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 4: going to be a boat come and pass me in

652
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: a couple of days time. That would be quite you know,

653
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: trapped past me in about fifty miles away, and I thought,

654
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: and it was going to Napier and it had cranes

655
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: on it, and I thought, this is this is my boat,

656
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: you know, So I said to search and rescue, you know,

657
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: I said, well, can I pick and choose you know,

658
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: which which which boat? They turned a home and they

659
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: said absolutely not, that's not the way such rescue works.

660
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, you wouldn't have picked the New

661
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: Zealand Navy, because that's true.

662
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: So it was the parorty for you Andrew to make

663
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: sure that you could get your boat back.

664
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: That was the that was the first priority.

665
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this priority was survival.

666
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: Nobody, you know, So he wasn't worried about that.

667
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: And in the old days, right, if you hadn't got

668
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: the colms like you got now, you know, via satellite

669
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: talking to everyone all the time. I just and you know,

670
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: when I went to our Island in ninety eighty six

671
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: for my first trip, you just sail over the curve

672
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: of the Earth and you're gone. You know, you're not

673
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: talking to it. No one knows where you are until

674
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: you get there. That's the way it used to be,

675
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: you know. So I you know, you know, in the

676
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: old days, I would have just drifted for three months,

677
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: probably until I hit Patagonia, you know, the coast of

678
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: South America all came across a ship, you know whatever.

679
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: But in this case, you know, I had to I

680
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: had to get off the boat.

681
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 5: Basically, he attempted to lie like well, you attempted to

682
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 5: just to go old school and and just say that

683
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 5: you're sailing along and everything's fine and all that sort

684
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 5: of stuff.

685
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: Well, the trouble was that I was I was in

686
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: contact with a METS, a guy who was doing my

687
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: weather forecasting, wonderful Bob mcdavitt, total professional. So every day

688
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: he was texting me and telling me where I was,

689
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: and when I responded to him, it gives your latitude

690
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: and longitude. So everyone knew what's sort of roughly what

691
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: speed I was going. So I suddenly stopped. You know,

692
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: they all would have.

693
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Been Andrew's gone crazy.

694
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: Going really well, just a little bit slow today, run

695
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: out of wind.

696
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: It's like, no, that seems to be blowing forty knots

697
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: little micro climate.

698
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah, so they turn up, you know, and

699
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 4: then I had to get onto the ship and without

700
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: a rudder, and they said to me, you know it

701
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: was when it turned up, it was just getting dark

702
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: and it was just like an apartment block, that's what

703
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: it looked like on the on the horizon. It was

704
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: absolutely massive, and and you just never want to get

705
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: in normal circumstances, you just never want to get close

706
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 4: to something like that. You know, it's just the biggest no, no,

707
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: and they ended up coming up and stopping one hundred

708
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: meters away from me.

709
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, and you're talking four meter seize here.

710
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still a good four running. And it was

711
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: blowing and it got dark, you know. So they were

712
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: talking to me and they were all up on the

713
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: you know, all the crew, twenty six people that English

714
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: is the second language. The communication was pretty bad, and

715
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: they were all there with their phones, taking self and waving,

716
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: and I was just we were just waving, Oh, this

717
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: is already normal. Just yes, what we do?

718
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: We just know where?

719
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's so far. Interestingly, the I don't want

720
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: to call it a risk you because it's not really. Yeah,

721
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: it was actually the most dangerous part of your voice

722
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: so far.

723
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: It totally was, you know. And it was like, okay,

724
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: I said to the guy, can you put it? No? Yeah,

725
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 4: I said. He said to me, can you row to us?

726
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: And I couldn't because I did have oars, but I'd

727
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: used one. I'd chopped one up trying to make a

728
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: jury rader, which didn't work, you know, so I couldn't

729
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: row to them. And then I said, can you put

730
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: a boat in the water, and he said no, no,

731
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: too dangerous, you know.

732
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: And he thought made off here.

733
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, towering above you.

734
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: It's like before you get to the main deck, it's

735
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: three stories hard and it's got a propeller. Yeah, and

736
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: it's got a propeller and a bow thruster, and then

737
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: it's got like containers that were like stacked eight eight high.

738
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 4: You know, it was just absolutely massive. Yeah. Well, these

739
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: guys were like way up on the bridge, you know,

740
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 4: looking down, and I was talking to them on a

741
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: VHF handheld and so so they weren't going to come

742
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: and get me. So it was up to me. This

743
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: that was it was almost humorous, you know. I did

744
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: actually some hot sometimes because I thought, okay, that's all

745
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: up to me. I've got an audience here of all

746
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 4: these guys watching, but it's up to me to get

747
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 4: alongside that that boat. And as it was got dark,

748
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: you know, so so I pulled up my sails and

749
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: I tried to sail to them. But without the rudder,

750
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: they must have thought I was a real shit sailor,

751
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: you know, because I was just doing circles, you know,

752
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: I'd get the boat sailing and it would just round up,

753
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: and I just it was just a shocker. So I

754
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 4: ended up and he was trying to hold position. But

755
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: because it was quite windy and because they had so

756
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: much what we call windage, he was drifting about the

757
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: same speed as me sideways. So it just wasn't getting

758
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 4: a cat and mouse just wasn't getting there. So and

759
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: he was trying to turn, you know, turn around, and

760
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: I ended up going around them twice, you know, about

761
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: sort of one hundred meters off the boat, trying to

762
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: get to them, but I just couldn't and in the

763
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: end I almost got squished underneath. We used like the

764
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: weather rudder and the propellers are it's what we call

765
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: the counter. It's at the back of the boat, and

766
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: that was going up and down the swells like a

767
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 4: good ten meters and just smashing down. And I got

768
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 4: really close to the to the counter, and I thought, oh,

769
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: here we go. This is going to take the mast off,

770
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: you know. But in the end, somehow they got close

771
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 4: enough and they threw a heaving line down, you know,

772
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: a rope, and then together with the crew who were

773
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: like three stories up and me, we started pulling the

774
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 4: boat down the side of the ship to They hadn't

775
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: even discussed it. I still thought maybe they wanted me

776
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 4: to just wrap the rope around me and just they're

777
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 4: going to pull me up like that. But there was

778
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: a boarding There was what we call the pilot boarding ladder,

779
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: which is about halfway down. It's still about sort of

780
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: eight meters up up the side, and they had a little,

781
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: a little rope ladder hanging down and that's where I

782
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: had to get to. That became pretty obvious, you know,

783
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: and it had a little bright light, and I saw

784
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: a few heads, you know, with helmets on, poking out

785
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 4: and they dragged me really slowly down the side of

786
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: the boat. But but we're you know, we're on the

787
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: windward side, so you know, these four meter swells were

788
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: just picking my boat up plywood, you know, glassed over,

789
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: but ply would essentially just picking the boat up like

790
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 4: a tennis ball and just throwing it against the steel wall.

791
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: You know.

792
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: It was that was bad, I really thought. And big hits,

793
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 4: taking some really big hits. And I just kept on

794
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: looking inside, wait, waiting to see the water coming out,

795
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: because I thought it was it was taking you know,

796
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: hits that could split the side of the boat real easy.

797
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: You know.

798
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: And I knew then too that if it sank, they

799
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 4: just have take They've just been taking selfies of me

800
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: in the water and that.

801
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Do you have a life jacking on?

802
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I got one of those.

803
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: Do you think it would have saved your love?

804
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: I had a no, I had a survival suit, you know,

805
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 4: and I had and all I had on me was

806
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: my passport, couple of go pros and VHF handheld radio

807
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: and that was it. But I had my bags and

808
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: the cockpit that I was obsessed with, you know, full

809
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 4: of thirty k's worth of gear that I was obsessed

810
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 4: with trying to get on board as well.

811
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: But they don't want to They just want to save you. Yeah,

812
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: they don't cure it, you get.

813
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 4: They didn't want to know.

814
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: They just want to get actually back on their way

815
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: to go and delivering their cargo.

816
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, you know, because there was a real inconvenience

817
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: for them. But it's the sort of the lore of

818
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 4: the sea, you know, to save a distressed mariner. And

819
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: so in the end, you know, the rope ladder was there,

820
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 4: and when the boat was getting smashed up real bad

821
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: against the side of the ship, and I just had

822
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: to leap for the rope ladder, you know, and then

823
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: I realized I was really fatigued, and even holding onto

824
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: the rope ladder was a major because their ship was

825
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: rolling out, and so the rope ladder was coming out

826
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: from the scale and then about four meters and then

827
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 4: then throwing back in.

828
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: It's like a movie. Stuff like this never happens real long.

829
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: I don't worry. There's a movie coming, a movie I

830
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: don't know.

831
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: And then and then it then I just had it

832
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: was a cliffhanger. Then I had to really hold on tight,

833
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: and it was actually, you know, normally I could do

834
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: it right now, just like that, but I was so

835
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 4: fatigued I didn't realize how tired I was, and I

836
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 4: just had to hang on and climb up, you know,

837
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: one rung at a time, and I took the rope

838
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: that was attached to my bags and the cockpit with

839
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: me because I still wanted to save those bags. But

840
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 4: as I got halfway up this ladder that the mark

841
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 4: I got high enough for the mast of my boat

842
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: to just be randomly smashing and right beside me, and

843
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: if that had hit me, that just would have picked

844
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: me off the ladder. And then I realized that my

845
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: rope was trying to pull me off because I looked

846
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: down in the cockpit of a boat and it was

847
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 4: all tangled up, so you know, I had to open

848
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: my palm and let the rope go, and there was

849
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: thirty k gone and then I got there and they

850
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: pulled me on into the boat and into the ship,

851
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: and it was like just entering this whole bizarre you know,

852
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 4: Neon lit steel other world, you know, with all these

853
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: guys who were so pleased, you know, saved me. But

854
00:38:53,400 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: that was definitely the most dangerous. You're batman, but I was, man,

855
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: I just would have flown.

856
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Up, you know, you're saying line yeah, oh man, and

857
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: then and then of course, you know, there's a whole

858
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: lot of other detail.

859
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: But the I'm reading the book, it's a great book.

860
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: It's a great book. Of course, they think you're a

861
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: drug drug smuggler because it's like, what the hell is

862
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: this dude doing out there, So there's a lot of

863
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: interrogation that goes on, and because there's English is the

864
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: second language, it's it's it's a fascinating story.

865
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: That was really what was in the bag.

866
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: Gear exactly well, I mean, look at that the bales

867
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 4: of freeze dried food I wrapped them all. I've shrink

868
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: wrapped them all, you know, in black plastic, so they're

869
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 4: about the size of below cases, so that they looked

870
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: so much like that, you know big. But but the

871
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: thing was, I didn't have my ship's papers, all my

872
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: official documents with me. I left all those in the

873
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: bags that I'll trying to get on board. So they

874
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 4: put me in this hospital, you know, set me in

875
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 4: this you know, put on an orange boiler suit under prisoners.

876
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: They put me in.

877
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: One of those and to sit there and testing on

878
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: my vital signs and stuff. But they and then they

879
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 4: put a guard on me because also they couldn't verify

880
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: who I was because the ship was rolling and they

881
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: lost their internet, you know that they couldn't sort of

882
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: work out, and they just looked at the boat. And

883
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: also I, you know, because it was English as a

884
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: second language, I didn't want to say, okay, well, I

885
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: didn't want to say, well, I'm trying to set the

886
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: record for the smallest boat to circumnavigate via the Great Capes.

887
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 4: So I just said I was going to South America.

888
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: So the captain came and sat down with me, and

889
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: he just looked at me and said, where are your

890
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: ship's papers, and I explained, but he did I don't

891
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: think he believed me. I mean, they seriously thought that

892
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: I was dodgy, as you know, until they got verification

893
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 4: when they got internet here.

894
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: So where did they take you.

895
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: To?

896
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: New Zealand?

897
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: So I was lucky, yeah, because there are other ships

898
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: around that were going to Columbia and Peru and China,

899
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: and it was still you know, the COVID thing was

900
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: still restrictions were still on and I really didn't want

901
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: to get caught in South America, you know, with no

902
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: money and trying to get back to New Zealand. So

903
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 4: I was very fortunate that this ship was going to

904
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: New Zealand.

905
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: It really would have been peddling.

906
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: So there was only seven days at twenty knights to

907
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: get back, you know, and back to New Zealand. And

908
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: then you know, I walked down the gang plank and

909
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: too wronger and with nothing basically just what I was wearing,

910
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: you know, and.

911
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: Then saying goodbye to your saying goodbye to your faithful steed.

912
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the you know lost at see the title

913
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: of the book. What would have happened to the boat

914
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: if it had stayed floating? But it was sinking. The

915
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: water was coming in, but it with the positive buoyancy

916
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: from all that freeze dried food, may have kept it

917
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: floating like sort of water logged log, you know. So

918
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 4: it might have just just kept floating. And my met

919
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: guy Bob worked out that it probably would have got

920
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: taken about one hundred days to just drift to South

921
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: America with the currents or it sank. I think it

922
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: would have sunk.

923
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, did you do you want it to?

924
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: So?

925
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: What do you want it to do?

926
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: Well?

927
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: I'm still I was still quite positive. I made up

928
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: a sign, put my name in there with the latitude

929
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 4: and longitude and my phone number of my email address.

930
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: Have found please.

931
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: The most remote part of the globe, and we.

932
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: Just put a couple of That is the most hopeful

933
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: sign I've ever anyone ever made.

934
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: There's a picture of it in the book.

935
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: That is amazing.

936
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Put some posters up on in Argentina like a lost dog.

937
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

938
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Andrew Fagan, thank you so much for coming into the podcast.

939
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Swilly World Lost at Sea is the book. It's fantastic.

940
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: It's one of three books about Swilly Wild that you've written.

941
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: Of course, it's right the final of the trilogy and

942
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: there won't be anymore.

943
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's right. Always so good to see you.

944
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: And it's such a great story and I look forward

945
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: to I know that there will be another journey there.

946
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 4: Well, I've just got to regroup and you put it together.

947
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: But then sounds like another book one day.

948
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's a fantastic book.

949
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: I have a positive ending.

950
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: I read it in three days, and that says something

951
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: about the book because I'm not a not a fast reader,

952
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: and I was wanting to know what was happening more

953
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: and more. So it's a it's a great read. Thank

954
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you so much for coming into the podcast.

955
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

956
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: You're great man mate, nice to me.

957
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: Amazing