1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Given it's the first of seasons. The Prime Minister drops 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: into say hello and goodbye. Nice to see nice. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: To see you, to see you too. 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Do you want the serious stuff first? A couple of 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: serious things since I talked to you on Tuesday, scrutiny week. 6 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, is it worth it or not? 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's an innovation from Parliament. That's I 8 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: think the first time we've been doing it. Look, I 9 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: think anything that tries to give people more visibility as 10 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: to what's going on transparency is probably worth it. I 11 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: haven't checked in with my guys as to how they 12 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: found it, but you know, look, I think that's not 13 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: a bad thing. 14 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Okay. Have you seen the OECD report on New Zealand 15 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: this morning? 16 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. 17 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: It's a doer Yeah, it is a doer story. So 18 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: our projected growth for next years one point four percent 19 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is two point one percent. The world 20 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: is at three point three, so we're trailing the world. 21 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: New Zealand also faces an investment gap in addressing the 22 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: needs of a rapidly growing population. This is essential to 23 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: tackle low productivity growth and high electricity fenture prices. Labour 24 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: productivity growth has fallen markedly since twenty twenty one. GDP 25 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: growth has been driven by an expansion of labor. Most 26 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: of the people coming to this country are low and 27 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: medium skilled people. High bank margins, capital cost, reduced demand 28 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: for credit, high futures, electricity prices will exacerbate productivity problems, 29 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: and so it goes. 30 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a bad what a marvelous set of 31 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: challenges to deal with mine, well, to get yourself. 32 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sitting here blaming you've only been 33 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: a year, but I mean, but it's dead right right. 34 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about it, the last thirty years, 35 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: what we've had is a productivity disease. You know, we've 36 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: been in the bottom quarter basically of economic productivity. That 37 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: means that we're all working frick and hard, but we're 38 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: actually not able to create the value that we need 39 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: to be able to have a high stander living. And 40 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, you think about places like Ireland and Denmark 41 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: and Singapore and New South Wales State's other five million 42 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: type people places When you say why are they wealthier 43 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: to us? And I've studied this for about twenty years, 44 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: it comes down to about five things. It's education, It's science, technology, innovation, 45 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: what you're seeing at Fonterra where they're really adding lots 46 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: of value to their product services. It's definitely infrastructure. We've 47 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: got a hell big problem there to sort through red 48 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: tape and obviously trade and investment, and you know we've 49 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: got thin pools of capital. You know, we've done a 50 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: very poor job of attracting foreign investment to this country. 51 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: The mentality has been, you know, welcome to New Zealand. 52 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 2: But you know it's a privilege for you to invest 53 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: here versus we should be saying thank you for bringing 54 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: your money here. And we're thirty eighth out of thirty 55 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: eighth in the OECD head attracting foreign investment as well. 56 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: Do you think most people we've talked about this is 57 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: a theme a number of times this year, do you 58 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: think most people truly understand how troubled this country is? 59 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: No? And do And I know when I've sort of 60 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: said how much damage was done in that six year period, 61 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: you get over that, you know, like the reality is 62 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: I now own it and we've got to fix it 63 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: and deal with it. But you know, we've got to 64 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: get the long term foundations in place. When you have 65 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: forty five percent of your kids going to school regularly 66 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: and fifty five percent not, which is what happened when 67 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: we started. You're sitting there going, well, England's sitting at 68 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: eighty two percent, we're sitting at forty five percent. Well, 69 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: how are we supposed to be competitive with England and 70 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: with Australia and with Canada and other places that we 71 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: think are like minded places. We can't sort that stuff out. 72 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: If you're four out of your five kids arrive at 73 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: high school not where they need to be on maths 74 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: and one out of two where they need to be 75 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: on reading. That's serious stuff, right, because that, seriously is 76 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: about how you get the leaders and artificial intelligences and 77 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: agri science and four lane highways up to funger A 78 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 2: and engineers and all that good stuff. If you don't 79 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: get those things sorted. The same on investment in infrastructure, 80 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: we've managed infrastructure very very poorly. You know, we run 81 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: the country like it's nineteen seventy five and we have 82 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: to think about how we do infrastructure very differently. 83 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: Do you think the mentality see one of one of 84 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: the things of the media's fault as much as anything else. 85 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: There is no shortage of people in your time and office, 86 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: who genuinely believe that you are the answer to everything. 87 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: For money, So we're sort of money. This didn't work, 88 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: that didn't work, the government will wipe my bum So 89 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: that's the mentality in this country that only a government 90 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: can fix it. The idea of working hard, doing better, 91 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: improving yourself is beyond most people. 92 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: That's what we've got it. That is exactly the notion 93 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: we have to put in place, because I will I 94 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: had it last night. I was talking to someone in 95 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: the healthcare sector and as I was saying all the 96 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: differences between New South Wales and New Zealand, you know 97 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: they're thirty five percent wealthier than New Zealand now, so 98 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: if you don't build out a better quality economic engine, 99 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: you can't deliver the public services that people have expectations of. 100 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Ireland's a case study. I've been there a few times now. 101 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: I went there to study education and also how they 102 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: do infrastructure development and investment. That was a country that 103 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: had seventy five percent of the wealth of New Zealand, 104 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: same per person, same sized country. Now twice as wealth, 105 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: You're excellent. So you get twice as many at GPS, 106 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: you get twice as many teachers. So you know, when 107 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: I talk the economy, it's not because I'm focused on 108 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: money and I'm a commercial guy. It's actually because what 109 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: that enables is actually a better healthcare system, better infrastructure system, 110 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: better school system. 111 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: Okay, well, you've got two more years, I guess to 112 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: sell it to us. Having said that, longer than too 113 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: more years, it seems it seems weird. It seems weird 114 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: to me. It was only a year ago this time 115 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: last year year at the court of the hotel. It 116 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: seems longer ago than that, doesn't it or not? 117 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: It does feel that to me, But I guess that's 118 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: with you. Every week just goes by, you know, so quickly, 119 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: and a lot happens in a week, as well as 120 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: my observation, and you don't really have time to digest 121 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: because you're just moving things forward. To reflect that much, 122 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: and I'll probably get a chance to do that over 123 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: summer a little bit. But yeah, it's been a four 124 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: on twelve months. But it's been a great twelve months. 125 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I've thoroughly enjoyed it, you know, because you're 126 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: in the mix, you're in the arena, sort of pulling levers, 127 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: making choices, making decisions. 128 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: I found an opposition you didn't get to. It's an 129 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: interesting point. My criticism of you would be you've not 130 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: gone hard enough. But take that for whatever else do 131 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: you feel. 132 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: Would be a standard criticism I would have thought from you. 133 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you are in a job that 134 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: you thought it would be something where you could make 135 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: genuine change and you are doing it? 136 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, actually, like, I genuinely think that the 137 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: opposition job is really hard, right, And I remember looking 138 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: at it and thinking about all the leaders that we've 139 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: had of the National Party. They're all on a photo 140 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: in the wall at National House, which is the head 141 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: office of our party. And I think there's only six 142 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: out of one elections and there's a number of that 143 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: were you followed on from leaders that at the end 144 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: of terms. But you know, it's a hard job because 145 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: you don't have anything to do, you know. But now 146 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: as a prominisey, that's the job you want because you 147 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: can actually pull the levers and in the center you 148 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: have to be really brutally clear and directive when you're 149 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: doing a turnaround, and otherwise by the time it ripples 150 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: out through the system, change doesn't happen and there's a 151 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: lot of things. I mean, you can and you can 152 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: get very lost in it if you don't have great 153 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: clarity and choose what you are doing and what you're 154 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: not doing right now, because otherwise you're boiling the ocean. 155 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: You're just bumper stickering your way through it and papering 156 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: over the cracks and actually not doing things properly. And 157 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: you know, we've got some real challenges, you know, there's 158 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But we have to you know, 159 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: we want to try right. We have to get to 160 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: a better place. 161 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: Explain to a person like me who would criticize you 162 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: for not going hard enough or harder than you are. 163 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: Do you believe you're going as hard as you can 164 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: or have you discovered something that prevents you from going 165 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: further than you have? 166 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: The problems are more complex often than they feel, you know, 167 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 2: just when you do a you know, observing them from outside, 168 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: so when you get inside the problem that takes you 169 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: a bit of you know, they're quite complex by the 170 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: time they come your way. But no, look, I think 171 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: we are. I mean you've got to. I mean, look, 172 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: you've got two choices. On the economic front. You could 173 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: carry on doing exactly what the last lot did, which 174 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: would spend more, tax more, borrow more, not deliver. Or 175 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: you could go what we've seen around the world, which 176 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: isn't hard austerity, and that's not good either. That has 177 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: got a whole bunch of consequences and implications. And we 178 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: are genuinely trying to find that third way through which 179 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: I think we've done well and Nicola and I'm working 180 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: through the budget process where actually giving people tax relief, 181 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: you're able to actually put some investment into the future infrastructure. 182 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: But we're going to need for infrastructure falent for someonle 183 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: We are going to need outside pools of capital because 184 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: we can't just use our balance sheet and weight to 185 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: get rhads built in twenty sixty. 186 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: We have to do things sooner that it's funny you 187 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: should say that because Franis Sullivan's got a piece in 188 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: the paper this morning. It deals with you met Larry Fink, Yeah, 189 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: at black Rock, at the same company that pulled the 190 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: plug the other day on Soul zero. So do you 191 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: want to mend or not? I mean, are they the 192 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: sort of people we want to deal with or Well. 193 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: The point is that around the world there is trillions 194 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: of dollars of sovereign wealth money. Right, Like basically it's 195 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: interesting thing. I told you like us. You had dinner 196 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: with Mody and he says he's got a new university 197 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: he's opening every week. He needs something like two thousand plains. See, 198 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: think about the hundreds of millions of people coming out 199 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: of poverty who now moved from subsistence living into the 200 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: middle class, and they want to go travel, they want 201 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: to go get educated for their kids, and they actually 202 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: want to save money for retirement. Well, all of those 203 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: funds need to be invested. So everywhere I go, if overseas, 204 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: I take two hours and I go bring them the 205 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: biggest investors from those countries and meet with them for lunch. 206 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: But is the money they are open. 207 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: To wanting to invest. I want their money, and the 208 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: problem is the middleware, which is actually they don't know 209 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: what's here to invest in. And we need to basically 210 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: put deal sheets together to actually say, look, we've got 211 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of roads, we've got a whole bunch 212 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: of other assets that are available to you, and we've 213 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: got to change some of the settings, which we're working 214 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: our way through. So I do think Mike, there is 215 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: actually the doors open. We just got to push it 216 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: open and barge through it. Do you. 217 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: I need to take a break and we will, but 218 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: think about this during the break. The Spotify rap of 219 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: yours Yeah, are you a fraud? More in a moment, 220 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: just a couple of quick things. 221 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: So that was quite an accusation you made before. 222 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: That It wasn't to be fair. I thought that you 223 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: were elevated to Prime Minister of this country based on 224 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: your love of country music, and so then I see 225 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the Spotify rap and there's next to no country music 226 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: on it. 227 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there is actually, Like I mean, post Malone 228 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: and do Alepa did a great song Think I'm in 229 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: Love with You, Like if you do one thing, like, 230 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: You've got three things to do for me over the holidays. 231 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: One is you've got to listen to F one trillion, 232 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: which is Post Malone's country collaboration album. It's brilliant, the 233 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: best album of the year, right. I Think I'm in 234 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Love with You, which is a Chris Stapleton song, but 235 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: he did a duet with Dua Lipa which is just 236 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: unbeleveled song of the year. And the third thing I 237 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: think you need to do is actually need to watch 238 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: Day of the Jackal, which is with any TV plus. 239 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Z plus because they're losing so much better. 240 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: We're doing everything we can to make them more profitable. 241 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: Very good. Now the present I have for you I 242 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: open this is this is a prototype. This is first 243 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: of all, it's one of one, so it's unique. 244 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: This sounds special. 245 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: It's a prototype, and there is a I believe bigger 246 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: and if not more bigger, a more luxurious version of 247 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: this coming. 248 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: So so is that sort of like driving gloves or something. 249 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: Well, they're not. No, they're not clients. They're not driving gloves. 250 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: But I'm not allowed to drive me Moore. 251 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: I think you'll I think you'll be impressed. No one 252 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: has ever been given one of these because it doesn't 253 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: exist anywhere else in the world. 254 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: Oh look, that's the complete guide to surviving and Mike 255 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: Hosking interview. 256 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: So look for the instructions. 257 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: That is genius. That is genius. 258 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: So we'll get a leather bound version of that when 259 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: it's completed. 260 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: It's a total mystery to me. Twelve months after having 261 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: done these interviews, can I give you my guest? 262 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Yes you can, you can, all right, so keep the bag. 263 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: Not only that you get a beautiful card that you 264 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: are the very first person that I have given this 265 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: card to you. It's a lovely photo of myself, stunning life, Amanda. 266 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: We's got a handwritten note inside. So there you go. 267 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: You can be on the string that you put in 268 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: the office. 269 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: That's that's an awesome photo. Is that taken in front 270 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: of your hedges? 271 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in front of the hedges at home. I 272 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: know you appreciate a good fighters hite day. I love 273 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: a good fights. 274 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Now. 275 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: This is this is your fear of khaki seasoning. Now, 276 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: I mean it's your listeners. Most of us would just 277 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: use you know, people like me who are mean at 278 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: the people. Now, of course I just use salt. I 279 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: mean I come from a very humble background and and 280 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: just but you look at this, and this is what 281 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 2: really posh people do. It's like seasoning. And I think 282 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: you've got like I think it's like a seaweed that 283 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: gets sort of extracted in some complicated process up north, 284 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: or a carpedo sultan. Yeah you put that on your food. Yeah, 285 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: I know, it's that's what I read about. You put 286 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: on your pokey bowl and you smashed avocado toast and 287 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: stuff like that. I imagine you sit around you and 288 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: your pajamas. 289 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: I love it absolutely. 290 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: And then the other thing is you often comment when 291 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: I come in with my water bottle, I'm sort of 292 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: you say, Chris, wat's in the water and why is it? 293 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: And you sort of accused me of it being a 294 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: sort of your own sum put one points and all 295 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: sorts of things. But I brought you this is my 296 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: special energy voos. Now, this is posh baraka basically is 297 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: what you're getting here. And sometimes I come in and 298 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: you're a bit grumpy and sometimes you're happier, and I 299 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: just think if you put that into your day, that 300 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: would be. 301 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Quite trans You're glad, you're a good bloke. I'm going 302 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: to enjoy that over the holiday period. I'll be a 303 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: whole new man. On the next year. You have you 304 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: and Amanda and kentson everything. You have a lovely Christmas, 305 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: vely year. I had a great break Take care see 306 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: you say, Christopher LIKEXM. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 307 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. 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