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Speaker 2: That'd be Jack, take it from me, put a couple

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Speaker 2: of grand in an envelope and leave it at home

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Speaker 2: somewhere safe, says Muzz. If technology goes down or we

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Speaker 2: have another weather event, you are going to be helpless

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Speaker 2: to do anything.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: If you lose your phone, you are temporarily cactus Jack.

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen in a power cut? Says Tracy. Jack'

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Speaker 2: says Land, I sincerely hope you have a few hundred

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Speaker 2: bucks stashed in your underdraw for emergencies. You are very,

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Speaker 2: very vulnerable with your alliance on a machine. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know all of this, and yet I

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Speaker 2: haven't done it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just just, first of all, like the day to

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Speaker 2: day convenience is there for me, and that kind of

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Speaker 2: trumps everything. But I can see that maybe in the

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Speaker 2: same way that I should have, you know, water stashed

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Speaker 2: for an emergency at home and all that kind of

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Speaker 2: thing you're supposed to do, I should be having a

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Speaker 2: little emergency, you know, a little emergency envelope somewhere as well.

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Speaker 2: I think that probably makes a lot of sense. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two is our text number this morning.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get in touch Jacket the talks,

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Speaker 2: he'd be dot co dot NZ Kevin Milners with this morning, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: How many cards do you have in your wallet? Do

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Speaker 2: you reckon?

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Speaker 3: You've actually got? I know five? You've made me actually

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Speaker 3: go to my wallet and have a lot.

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Speaker 2: Five is not too bad, that's pretty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've got I've got two different credit cards,

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Speaker 3: one for business and one for personal. How do you

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Speaker 3: get around that aspect you would have you'd be set

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Speaker 3: up for business and all that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I just I just I just keep

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Speaker 2: my receipts, you know, I email a receipt to myself

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Speaker 2: or something like that. But but honestly, I don't have

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Speaker 2: too many kind of business expenditures, you know, so right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I mean and and honestly, I the number of

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Speaker 2: times and I know this is bear as well. There's

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Speaker 2: a convenience, you see, when it comes to payWave. But

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Speaker 2: when it comes to payWave instead of like I could

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Speaker 2: get the card out of my wallet and insert it

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Speaker 2: and that would save me money. But I'm seduced by

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Speaker 2: the convenience, and so I just I just use my

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Speaker 2: phone as well, which is a shock.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree, an agree. And as for the listener

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Speaker 3: who says, you know, kick cash around because if the

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Speaker 3: whole system goes down, you'll be stuffed, well, of course,

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Speaker 3: if the whole system goes down, I'll be surprised if

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Speaker 3: you can use cash either, well, because it won't be.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it won't be.

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Speaker 2: To a certain degree, right, Like I remember being in

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Speaker 2: I was in Hurricane Sandy in New York. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember Hurricane Sandy when and it hit New York and

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Speaker 2: like the half of Manhattan lost power and all of

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Speaker 2: that thing or you know, it was and it was

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Speaker 2: all you know, it was pretty pretty dramatic, and you know,

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Speaker 2: there were hundreds of homes last and all that kind

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Speaker 2: It was. It was a pretty serious storm. And I

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Speaker 2: remember as as the storm was kind of bearing down

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Speaker 2: And I remember this is Manhattan, the center of the

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Speaker 2: I got out, and I remember thinking, Man, I'm so

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Speaker 2: glad I did this, and so it's curious that I mean,

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Speaker 2: clearly I need to, you know, learn my own lesson there.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you set myself up for an urgency. Even

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna if you're going to live your life

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Speaker 2: in a wallet free world, you probably probably want to

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of a backup plan at home,

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Speaker 2: don't you. I think it probably makes.

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Speaker 3: More Yes, my feeling is that if the system goes down,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you could well be right. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's hope we don't get to that stage. But it

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jack, just very quickly going back to last week,

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Speaker 4: Oh and you may be aware of hills hoists, Oh yes,

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Speaker 4: well a huge yeah, so most of most of Australia's

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Speaker 3: I don't think that many of them came over here.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so we can't claim that unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, oh well, well, I mean if she was

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Speaker 2: on the other foot, I'm sure there would be some

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Speaker 2: claiming going on in in mind anyway, given you you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about a dot this morning?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems odd, but during the week I got

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Speaker 3: to watch the movie about one of yours and my

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Speaker 3: favorite painters, Robin White Grace A Prayer for Peace. An

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Speaker 3: image I'd never seen before, known as the Pale Blue Dot,

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Speaker 3: pops up on the big screen at the start of

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Speaker 3: the movie. Jack, does the pale blue dot mean anything

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Speaker 3: to you?

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Speaker 2: It does? I know exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Actually, ah, yeah, yes, well, let me explain to the listeners.

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Speaker 3: The pale blue Dot is an image of planet Earth

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Speaker 3: taken in space in nineteen ninety by the unmanned NASA

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Speaker 3: Space Probe Voyager one while it was on its way

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Speaker 3: out of the Solar System. But NASA technicians managed to

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Speaker 3: pale blue dot is a picture of planet Earth taken

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Speaker 3: from over six billion kilometers away. As you can imagine,

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Speaker 3: the techies had to zoom in an awful lot before

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Speaker 3: they could see Earth. When an image of Earth emerges,

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Speaker 3: it is a minuscule point of light, a tiny dot,

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Speaker 3: less than a quarter of a single pixel on the picture.

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Speaker 3: The image shows us like no other image, how tiny

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Speaker 3: and alone we are in the black vastness of space,

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Speaker 3: and why we have a responsibility to preserve pale blue dot,

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Speaker 3: the only home we've ever known. Astronomer Carl Sagan put

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Speaker 3: it this way. Look again, at that dot. That's us.

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Speaker 3: Honor everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you've ever

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Speaker 3: heard of. Every human whoever was ever lived out their

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Speaker 3: every creator and destroyer, every king and peasant, every young

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Speaker 3: couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor

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Speaker 3: and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar,

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Speaker 3: every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history

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Speaker 3: of our species lived there on a moat of dust

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Speaker 3: suspended in the sunbeam. If you haven't seen the Pale

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Speaker 3: blue Dot, listeners, I recommend that you google it for

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Speaker 3: a fraction of a dot for an image captured from

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Speaker 3: over six billion kilometers away. It said an awful lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Kevin. That was poetic, that was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: It really was, Carl Sagan. Yeah, well, Calagan can take

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Speaker 3: the credit for all that. In fact, his speech goes

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Speaker 3: on a little bit longer than that, and that's Worth's

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Speaker 3: reading in its entirety too. But I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: actually who instructed or asked NASA if they would try

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Speaker 3: and turn the cameras around at that distance and get

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Speaker 3: it shot. Yeah. Right.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it. You know how that the astronauts

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Speaker 2: a cliche almost with astronauts when they come back to

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Speaker 2: did you have any kind of profound revelations in your

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Speaker 2: time up in the up in the black Nothing? And

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Speaker 2: even for those astronauts have just been you know, orbiting

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Speaker 2: Earth compared to the distance from from where that photograph

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Speaker 2: was taken, they always say, oh, man, you just realize

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Speaker 2: once you're up there, how trivial our divisions are, How trivial,

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Speaker 2: like the idea of nation states, and how actually borders

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Speaker 2: me nothing?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: We are all in this together. And that's it's always

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Speaker 2: the sentiment they reflect. Just as soon as you get

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Speaker 2: I'm a resident of planet Earth, a citizen of planet

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Speaker 2: Earth before I am you know, an American or a

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Speaker 3: Makes division that those divisions seem ludicrous.

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Speaker 2: It does, doesn't you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as Sagan puts it, we all live on a

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Speaker 3: motive dust spended in a sunbeam.

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Speaker 2: It is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have. I think I would have thought

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Speaker 2: that pale blue dot is one of the two most

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Speaker 2: famous photos of the Earth as a whole. No, it's

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Speaker 2: a better way to put that. So there's that. And

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Speaker 2: do you know earth Rise?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it up on my wall.

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Speaker 2: Clearly you and I are of similar taste, given because

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Speaker 2: it's currently up on my wall. My wife wasn't terribly

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Speaker 2: happy about it. I don't think she shares my kind

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Speaker 2: of astronomical interest. But yeah, I have earth Rise at

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Speaker 2: and when you're climbing up the stairs at the same

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Speaker 2: residence you see a photo of earth rise, which is

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Speaker 2: that amazing photo of the Earth taken with the with

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Speaker 2: the moon in the foreground. That incredible. So it gives

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Speaker 2: you the yeah, it is, it is.

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Speaker 3: It's a phenomenal photo. And again that raises what the

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Speaker 3: astronauts say when they get back. It's not what I

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Speaker 3: saw out there. It saw That's how I reacted when

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Speaker 3: I saw Earth when I was out there, And I

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Speaker 3: think we feel the same way when even when we

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Speaker 3: travel around the world. One of the great things is

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Speaker 3: not what we see when we're traveling, it's how we

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Speaker 3: see New Zealand once we're a long way away from it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're totally right. It's all perspective, isn't it. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much, Kevin, love your work, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Ah And it's not just me here, Rods just flicker

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Speaker 2: said Texas say it was profound Kevin, excellently done. Love

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Speaker 2: your comments. This morning heats and heaps and heaps of messages,

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Speaker 2: basically everyone scolding me for not having a backup plan

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Speaker 2: if I want to go one hundred percent digital. I'll

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Speaker 2: get to more of those in a couple of minutes.

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