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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cela, We're.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to WAYN nine two nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 2: Standard text fee apply obviously now to the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: Our Prime Minister and his British counterpart, ser Kiir Starmer

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Speaker 2: are going to be visiting New Zealand troops training Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: soldiers in England later today. And this follows an earlier

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Speaker 2: announcement that our government will extend its aid and its

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Speaker 2: troops to Ukraine until December twenty twenty six. Now Vashal

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Speaker 2: Maurusian Nachenko is the Ukrainian ambassador to New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: Australia and is with US now Vassel. Hello, Hi, December

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Do we still expect that the war

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Speaker 2: is going to be going on?

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Speaker 1: Then? Look at the moment, we don't really see an

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Speaker 1: end to the war. I mean, we are, of course

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Speaker 1: observing the peace and negotiations that President Trump is trying

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Speaker 1: to get Russia to talking that we don't really see

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Speaker 1: Russians really on a mission to stop the war. They're

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Speaker 1: actually advancing now. Russians are now in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a major offensive. So we may where well have the

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Speaker 1: war even next year in December. But it's not only

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Speaker 1: about that. Maybe if we achieve some certain ceasefire at

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Speaker 1: a certain stage later this year, which would be certainly great,

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine and then people would really welcome that. We

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Speaker 1: do require training because no matter what happens next, we

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Speaker 1: cannot unfortunately change over geography. We cannot make you as

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Speaker 1: of a neighbor, because we'd love to have New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and Australia as of a neighbor. But you know, for

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Speaker 1: the we can't do it. We'll always have Russia, and

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Speaker 1: Russia is belligerent, Russia is authoritarian, and Russia is not

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Speaker 1: giving up on Ukraine. So we do need to have

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Speaker 1: strong KAMI and New Zealand government is making a very

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Speaker 1: significant contribution to improving other military capabilities, for which were

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Speaker 1: extremely thankful.

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Speaker 2: Do you see a way that this war can end

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Speaker 2: without Ukraine having to give up some land.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the lan Actually, you have to understand

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Speaker 1: that it's not the land that Russia wants. Russia wants

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Speaker 1: Ukraine destroyed entirely. Russia wants to end Ukraine's sovereignty. So

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Speaker 1: those people who believe that this war could be over

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Speaker 1: if we actually see any territory have no idea. What

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Speaker 1: they are talking about.

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Speaker 2: How can the war end? So, how do you foresee

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Speaker 2: the war ending?

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Speaker 1: Then the war can end in twenty four hours. Russians

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Speaker 1: just need to get out of Ukraine. Hm.

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Speaker 2: But what's going to make them get out?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good question. That's actually the strengths of Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: the strengths of other international allies, European allies, New Zealand, Australia,

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Speaker 1: North America, Canada. I mean, this is what we need.

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Speaker 1: We need to force Russia to stop this war. And

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Speaker 1: only by demonstrating that unity and strengths we can force

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Speaker 1: an authoritarian country which is violated you and Tartar, which

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Speaker 1: is committed an act of aggression, which is really undermining

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Speaker 1: security of the entire world. It's not only Europe, in

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Speaker 1: the Pacific is undermined. Look at North Korean troops out there.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Chinese actually now currently finding Ukrainians. How

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Speaker 1: do you think is it possible? And how do you

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Speaker 1: think it is effecting the security of New Zealand. It

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Speaker 1: does affect you, and you're all vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: Appreciing to the choir here, but I mean, and the

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Speaker 2: thing is everybody wants Ukraine obviously to win. But that

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Speaker 2: is not happening at the moment. So what does it take.

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Speaker 1: Well, it takes actually more. So a lot has been

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Speaker 1: done and we were certainly thankful to all the countries

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Speaker 1: who have supported us for the past three years. But

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Speaker 1: that more needs to happen and that's the reason why

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Speaker 1: you know, New Zealand government has joined the coalition or

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Speaker 1: the willing So what t British and the Freankish?

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Speaker 2: More resources, more training, more.

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Speaker 1: Resources, you know, potentially deployment of the troops, European troops primarily.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Frank, be honest with me. Have we not missed

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Speaker 2: that moment now? I mean, if you have the US

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Speaker 2: pulling out, is anybody else going to fill that gap?

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Speaker 2: Is it not?

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Speaker 1: Just?

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Speaker 2: Is are we not looking at a situation right now

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Speaker 2: where Ukraine is on a trajectory to complete loss.

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Speaker 1: Here we are now at the very important juncture, and

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Speaker 1: I think it will all depend on the leadership of

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Speaker 1: the democratic countries. Because Ukraine is stepping up for democracy.

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Speaker 1: We've been fighting for it for three years now. We

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Speaker 1: need the democratic countries to step up for democracy as well.

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Speaker 1: Because it's much more about Ukraine. It's about the liberal

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Speaker 1: free world, which is actually under massive attack at the moment,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that and that's the reason why Australia

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Speaker 1: and New Zealand are supporting us, because you are part

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Speaker 1: of that world and you are vulnerable, you're susceptible, and

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Speaker 1: we all see how the security in Europe will undermine

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Speaker 1: security of the inter Pacific. So I think we end

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Speaker 1: this fight together, and that's the reason why Kiwis are

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Speaker 1: supporting Ukraine and Ukrainian President is very grateful to Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Christopher Luxan and I'm so happy that he is

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Speaker 1: in the UK at the moment that he will go

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Speaker 1: and inspect his defense forces who are currently training Ukrainians.

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Speaker 1: You know, for us, when we see that happening, it

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Speaker 1: is so heartening and it's so uplifting to the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: soldiers who are currently in the trenches. And when they

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Speaker 1: see New Zealand contributing a country which is probably further

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Speaker 1: away than any other country in the world, it is

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Speaker 1: this is what gives them inspiration. That's why we keep

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Speaker 1: on fighting. That's why we keep on defending democracy. This

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Speaker 1: is something that you all chaerries, we all cherries, and

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Speaker 1: we share the same world and we want the world

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Speaker 1: to be back to rules based international order, which Russians

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Speaker 1: have blatantly violated because they have nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to have to leave it there. I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Thanks so much for your time having

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Speaker 2: a chair to us. That's Vassel Maroshnichenko, who is the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian Ambassador to New Zealand and Australia.

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