1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,493 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:12,293 Speaker 1: from News talksb. 3 00:00:14,413 --> 00:00:18,333 Speaker 2: Come on, Jack, I'm addicted to radio, so maybe banned radios? Eh? Oh, 4 00:00:18,413 --> 00:00:21,653 Speaker 2: for goodness sake, come on, we're only doing your good. 5 00:00:21,733 --> 00:00:23,973 Speaker 2: Radio doesn't do your bad, doesn't do your harm, does it? 6 00:00:24,133 --> 00:00:24,373 Speaker 3: Jack? 7 00:00:24,453 --> 00:00:26,373 Speaker 2: Come on? This is just a precursor to the banning 8 00:00:26,413 --> 00:00:29,373 Speaker 2: of information across the board. The state only wants information 9 00:00:29,453 --> 00:00:32,373 Speaker 2: that's approved to reach anyone, not just young people. This 10 00:00:32,453 --> 00:00:34,453 Speaker 2: is the thought police. This is an angle to get 11 00:00:34,533 --> 00:00:37,013 Speaker 2: us under control nineteen eighty four, says Adrian. I think 12 00:00:37,013 --> 00:00:39,773 Speaker 2: that's a bit extreme, Adrian. So I just asked Libby, 13 00:00:39,973 --> 00:00:45,213 Speaker 2: who is a Genzia gen z producer of the show. 14 00:00:45,733 --> 00:00:48,973 Speaker 2: I said, would you support given you you've only known 15 00:00:49,253 --> 00:00:51,893 Speaker 2: the Internet age, you can't remember a time before smartphones, 16 00:00:51,893 --> 00:00:55,293 Speaker 2: would you support banning social media for kids under fourteen 17 00:00:55,333 --> 00:00:59,253 Speaker 2: and parental consent up to sixteen? And Libby said yes. See, 18 00:00:59,253 --> 00:01:02,053 Speaker 2: this is the curious thing. If they did the study 19 00:01:02,053 --> 00:01:04,813 Speaker 2: in the US where they asked young people. The Surgeon 20 00:01:04,853 --> 00:01:06,973 Speaker 2: General in the United States ask young people, do you 21 00:01:07,013 --> 00:01:10,053 Speaker 2: support banning social media? And they said no? And they 22 00:01:10,053 --> 00:01:12,173 Speaker 2: said do you want to get off social media? And 23 00:01:12,173 --> 00:01:14,653 Speaker 2: they said no. And they said, would you want to 24 00:01:14,693 --> 00:01:17,293 Speaker 2: get off social media if all of your friends were 25 00:01:17,293 --> 00:01:22,253 Speaker 2: off social media? And everyone said yes. Interesting ninety two 26 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:23,853 Speaker 2: ninety two. If you've got some thoughts on that, Jack 27 00:01:23,853 --> 00:01:27,333 Speaker 2: at newstalksz'db dot co dot z. Kevinmil is with us 28 00:01:27,333 --> 00:01:28,653 Speaker 2: this morning kilder Kevin. 29 00:01:29,253 --> 00:01:32,533 Speaker 3: You get morning Dagna me he or wiki or terrel. 30 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:38,413 Speaker 2: MARII no, He'll do with Mary then quick, Kevin, very good. Yeah, 31 00:01:38,453 --> 00:01:40,813 Speaker 2: it's it's two Wiki with the eel Mary kicking off? 32 00:01:40,853 --> 00:01:43,333 Speaker 2: Now are you What do you think about banning social 33 00:01:43,413 --> 00:01:44,933 Speaker 2: media for young people? 34 00:01:44,973 --> 00:01:48,893 Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of banning anything, right because 35 00:01:49,133 --> 00:01:51,693 Speaker 3: because banning's so often unsuccessful. 36 00:01:52,773 --> 00:01:54,613 Speaker 2: Well except that, except that if you think about it 37 00:01:54,653 --> 00:01:57,973 Speaker 2: with like booze. Right, So people under the age of 38 00:01:57,973 --> 00:02:01,133 Speaker 2: eighteen are banned. Now, of course many of them can 39 00:02:01,173 --> 00:02:04,173 Speaker 2: still access they can still access alcohol. But it sets 40 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:07,173 Speaker 2: a collective standard and it certainly makes it more difficult, right, 41 00:02:07,813 --> 00:02:09,693 Speaker 2: Like if we imagine if we didn't have a band 42 00:02:09,693 --> 00:02:13,093 Speaker 2: for under eighteens on alcohol, Yep, yeah, it would probably 43 00:02:13,093 --> 00:02:15,653 Speaker 2: be different, right, So yeah, yeah, I get your point. 44 00:02:15,653 --> 00:02:18,533 Speaker 2: I'm actually not a big bander myself, but I do 45 00:02:18,613 --> 00:02:23,373 Speaker 2: think there is Meriton at the very least regulating social media. 46 00:02:23,453 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 2: Speaking of social media, it was a wash this week 47 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 2: with the many memes that came out of the US 48 00:02:29,493 --> 00:02:33,213 Speaker 2: presidential candidates debate, and that most memorable line of all 49 00:02:33,613 --> 00:02:36,413 Speaker 2: has reminded you of a scandal in your christ Church childhood. 50 00:02:37,933 --> 00:02:41,653 Speaker 3: I'm astonished, Jack, really that I sometimes bet on what 51 00:02:41,773 --> 00:02:45,453 Speaker 3: I think you're going to talk about, and this was 52 00:02:45,533 --> 00:02:49,133 Speaker 3: the easiest one. This was the easiest one. You're the 53 00:02:49,773 --> 00:02:51,733 Speaker 3: highlight of your week must. 54 00:02:51,573 --> 00:02:57,573 Speaker 2: Have been the debate after the show? Absolutely, no, the 55 00:02:57,613 --> 00:03:00,493 Speaker 2: debate was It was incredible. It was an incredible thing 56 00:03:00,533 --> 00:03:03,373 Speaker 2: to watch, and yeah, remarkable to see the fallout. 57 00:03:04,293 --> 00:03:07,373 Speaker 3: I'm not even really politico, and that's sense that I 58 00:03:07,413 --> 00:03:09,613 Speaker 3: was sitting in front of the TV on what was 59 00:03:09,613 --> 00:03:12,733 Speaker 3: at Wednesday and waiting for it to come on, like 60 00:03:12,813 --> 00:03:16,053 Speaker 3: I was waiting for a test match. Yeah, and it 61 00:03:16,173 --> 00:03:20,093 Speaker 3: was just so exciting. And then, of course, and we're 62 00:03:20,093 --> 00:03:23,773 Speaker 3: going off piece here, but Trump's story about the pets 63 00:03:23,813 --> 00:03:28,253 Speaker 3: being eaten in Springfield, Ohio? Was was that? Because I 64 00:03:28,253 --> 00:03:30,653 Speaker 3: think you're quite an expert in this area, and in 65 00:03:30,733 --> 00:03:33,693 Speaker 3: fact came on the TV later on to talk about this, 66 00:03:33,853 --> 00:03:37,053 Speaker 3: But do you think that was the most, the sort 67 00:03:37,093 --> 00:03:43,053 Speaker 3: of the a bigger political calamity for him than anything 68 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:45,573 Speaker 3: Biden said or did during his previous debate. 69 00:03:45,813 --> 00:03:48,693 Speaker 2: Ah yeah, well it was almost what Biden didn't say 70 00:03:48,773 --> 00:03:50,573 Speaker 2: or do in his last debate that was the problem, 71 00:03:50,733 --> 00:03:54,133 Speaker 2: wasn't it? Like he was sort of so incoherent in 72 00:03:54,133 --> 00:03:56,333 Speaker 2: that debate. And when I watched the Biden debate, I 73 00:03:56,333 --> 00:03:58,093 Speaker 2: mean I came on the show the next morning and 74 00:03:58,133 --> 00:04:01,173 Speaker 2: said instantly that I thought Biden would never be president again. 75 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:03,053 Speaker 2: I thought that was it. I thought I thought it 76 00:04:03,093 --> 00:04:07,253 Speaker 2: was unrecoverable. I don't think that Trump's eras are unrecoverable. 77 00:04:07,293 --> 00:04:10,573 Speaker 2: I don't think this will stop them necessarily from being president. 78 00:04:10,653 --> 00:04:13,493 Speaker 2: I don't think it helped him, But it was certainly 79 00:04:13,573 --> 00:04:16,293 Speaker 2: a wild thing to say. Put it this way, I was. 80 00:04:16,373 --> 00:04:18,493 Speaker 2: I was clipping up the little the key moments of 81 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:21,133 Speaker 2: the debate, and the moment I heard him say they're 82 00:04:21,133 --> 00:04:26,173 Speaker 2: eating cats, they're eating dog, I said, okay, edything, we're 83 00:04:26,173 --> 00:04:32,733 Speaker 2: going to need this, yeah, hello, hello, yeah yeah. And 84 00:04:32,813 --> 00:04:34,453 Speaker 2: so it reminded you of christ Kevin? 85 00:04:35,173 --> 00:04:40,013 Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I was reading about the fact checkers 86 00:04:40,053 --> 00:04:43,453 Speaker 3: that established that the story had started with I think 87 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:46,853 Speaker 3: a single social media post from some kid, Was that right, 88 00:04:46,973 --> 00:04:50,693 Speaker 3: Jack from a kid? I think, yeah, it. 89 00:04:50,653 --> 00:04:54,253 Speaker 2: Was on Facebook. It started on Facebook, Yeah yeah. 90 00:04:54,293 --> 00:04:57,173 Speaker 3: But it never offered any evidence. The story was never 91 00:04:57,293 --> 00:05:01,813 Speaker 3: verified and no complaint was ever lodged, and Springfields officials 92 00:05:01,893 --> 00:05:04,133 Speaker 3: went in a position to say that they believe it 93 00:05:04,173 --> 00:05:07,453 Speaker 3: never happened. The story. He went on to say that 94 00:05:07,493 --> 00:05:12,173 Speaker 3: there's a history of totally incorrect stories from all over 95 00:05:12,213 --> 00:05:17,613 Speaker 3: the world involving new immigrants eating other people's pets. And 96 00:05:17,693 --> 00:05:22,253 Speaker 3: I suddenly get this flashback tack something I'd forgotten for years. 97 00:05:23,013 --> 00:05:25,093 Speaker 3: I remember as a kid in christ Church, I was 98 00:05:25,133 --> 00:05:29,413 Speaker 3: about ten, I think, hearing a story many times about 99 00:05:29,613 --> 00:05:33,053 Speaker 3: dead cats being found in the rubbishman of one of 100 00:05:33,173 --> 00:05:39,253 Speaker 3: christ Church's first Chinese restaurants. It was a fantastic story, 101 00:05:39,413 --> 00:05:42,133 Speaker 3: but I believed it because I eventually got to hear 102 00:05:42,173 --> 00:05:44,813 Speaker 3: the same story so often it had to be true. 103 00:05:45,093 --> 00:05:49,333 Speaker 3: I passed the story on myself many times. Back then 104 00:05:49,373 --> 00:05:52,213 Speaker 3: in christ Church, very very few people ever went to 105 00:05:52,253 --> 00:05:55,773 Speaker 3: a Chinese restaurant. They were scared of them. Who knows, 106 00:05:55,853 --> 00:05:58,413 Speaker 3: you know, what was to be served up. And it's 107 00:05:58,453 --> 00:06:02,453 Speaker 3: only now, after all these years, does it occurred to me. 108 00:06:02,613 --> 00:06:06,213 Speaker 3: I bet that story was a lie to based entirely 109 00:06:06,493 --> 00:06:11,533 Speaker 3: on ignorance and racism. The only difference was I was 110 00:06:11,573 --> 00:06:14,493 Speaker 3: a ten year old nobody and the man that told 111 00:06:14,493 --> 00:06:18,893 Speaker 3: the lie about the Heiti the Haiti immigrants was running 112 00:06:18,933 --> 00:06:24,333 Speaker 3: for president of the United States. There were so many 113 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:26,973 Speaker 3: things on that debate. Weren't that Jack that, you know, 114 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:31,813 Speaker 3: the fact that he reckoned he could stop the the 115 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:34,693 Speaker 3: Ukraine War even before it had got to office. 116 00:06:35,293 --> 00:06:40,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean there's certainly some pretty bold and 117 00:06:40,773 --> 00:06:44,293 Speaker 2: sometimes outlandish calls. I mean, the thing that was interesting 118 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:47,693 Speaker 2: with the with the cats and the dogs was that 119 00:06:47,733 --> 00:06:51,733 Speaker 2: it was pretty soundly robutted immediately, not just by the 120 00:06:51,773 --> 00:06:55,213 Speaker 2: moderators but by everyone else going and fact checking that story. 121 00:06:56,053 --> 00:06:58,693 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, yeah, it was kind of Donald 122 00:06:58,693 --> 00:07:01,733 Speaker 2: Trump and Donald Trump that The thing I always, you know, 123 00:07:01,853 --> 00:07:04,493 Speaker 2: would say, though, is that Donald Trump being Donald Trump 124 00:07:04,493 --> 00:07:07,373 Speaker 2: has won many tens of millions of votes in the past. Yeah, 125 00:07:07,453 --> 00:07:09,693 Speaker 2: that's right, you know, I don't actually, you know, I 126 00:07:09,733 --> 00:07:12,213 Speaker 2: think that maybe some people were a little too who 127 00:07:12,213 --> 00:07:14,013 Speaker 2: don't want to see Trump be president, were a little 128 00:07:14,013 --> 00:07:17,733 Speaker 2: too gleeful afterwards and have actually forgotten this guy's were 129 00:07:17,853 --> 00:07:21,933 Speaker 2: very successful by bucking the you know, the traditional political 130 00:07:21,973 --> 00:07:23,253 Speaker 2: trends and norms. 131 00:07:23,293 --> 00:07:26,173 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, no, I'd be one of those. What 132 00:07:26,213 --> 00:07:29,133 Speaker 3: did you think of those moderators? I was thinking when 133 00:07:29,173 --> 00:07:31,933 Speaker 3: I was looking at that guy, I thought Jack Camee 134 00:07:31,933 --> 00:07:34,813 Speaker 3: will be looking at that bloke and saying, I want 135 00:07:34,853 --> 00:07:38,973 Speaker 3: to be him. Honestly, he was like you. He was 136 00:07:39,053 --> 00:07:40,773 Speaker 3: like you, but with an American accent. 137 00:07:40,893 --> 00:07:41,093 Speaker 1: Yeah. 138 00:07:41,173 --> 00:07:44,013 Speaker 2: I think he's yeah, yeah, I think he's got a 139 00:07:44,053 --> 00:07:46,333 Speaker 2: little bit further in his career than I overwhell give him. 140 00:07:46,333 --> 00:07:50,893 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule that out. Yeah, yeah, 141 00:07:50,093 --> 00:07:54,493 Speaker 3: but it's so cool, so cool. 142 00:07:54,653 --> 00:07:56,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought. I thought they did a pretty good job. 143 00:07:56,893 --> 00:07:59,493 Speaker 2: I actually wondered if they should have fact checked that one, 144 00:07:59,573 --> 00:08:01,733 Speaker 2: given that sounded kind of seemed so absurd. I wondered 145 00:08:01,733 --> 00:08:03,733 Speaker 2: if they should have just let it past. Nick Carmeller 146 00:08:03,773 --> 00:08:06,733 Speaker 2: affected it if she wanted. But anyway, it has had 147 00:08:06,733 --> 00:08:08,533 Speaker 2: a lot of attention over the last few days. Thank 148 00:08:08,573 --> 00:08:10,013 Speaker 2: you for that, Kevin, and thank you for your text. 149 00:08:10,093 --> 00:08:10,293 Speaker 3: Jack. 150 00:08:10,293 --> 00:08:12,133 Speaker 2: It's simple. Any kids who want to get around a 151 00:08:12,173 --> 00:08:14,253 Speaker 2: social media band will be able to use a VPN. 152 00:08:14,693 --> 00:08:16,453 Speaker 2: This is true, Ben. They will be able to use 153 00:08:16,453 --> 00:08:19,573 Speaker 2: a VPN. They will be able to use technological solutions. 154 00:08:19,613 --> 00:08:23,013 Speaker 2: Kids are industrious, kids are smart, but it still puts 155 00:08:23,013 --> 00:08:25,093 Speaker 2: another barrier in right and in order for them to 156 00:08:25,093 --> 00:08:27,573 Speaker 2: do that, it's going to be a real pain. And 157 00:08:27,613 --> 00:08:30,253 Speaker 2: the whole design of the Australian laws as they stand, 158 00:08:30,893 --> 00:08:33,053 Speaker 2: is that it puts the onus on the social media platforms, 159 00:08:33,373 --> 00:08:36,093 Speaker 2: so they've got to use their technology to verify the 160 00:08:36,133 --> 00:08:38,693 Speaker 2: age and identity of their users. Dean sent me a 161 00:08:38,693 --> 00:08:40,013 Speaker 2: note to say, Jack, as much as I'm a sent 162 00:08:40,093 --> 00:08:43,133 Speaker 2: to write libertarian, I agree with the proposed social media 163 00:08:43,173 --> 00:08:45,253 Speaker 2: ban for people under sixteen, much like I agree with 164 00:08:45,333 --> 00:08:48,093 Speaker 2: nationals band on cell phones for students during school hours. 165 00:08:48,213 --> 00:08:50,893 Speaker 2: There's plenty of evidence that social media has many, many 166 00:08:50,933 --> 00:08:53,533 Speaker 2: negative impacts on young people, not the least that they 167 00:08:53,573 --> 00:08:55,813 Speaker 2: distract them from doing more important things with their time, 168 00:08:55,893 --> 00:08:59,533 Speaker 2: like getting a decent education, which current statistics suggest isn't 169 00:08:59,613 --> 00:09:01,773 Speaker 2: happening ninety two to ninety two. 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