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Speaker 1: But now it's the first day of field Days today

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Speaker 1: and thank God for the farmers pulling us out of recession.

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Speaker 1: Ground Swell is using today to ramp up their campaign

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand to quit the Paris Climate Accord. Bryce

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Speaker 1: McKenzie's Groundswell's co founder and with us. Now, Hey Bryce good,

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Speaker 1: are you very well? Thank you mate? Why should we

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Speaker 1: quit it?

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Speaker 2: Well, simply because it's costing the country a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: and that's costing it a lot of farming production.

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Speaker 3: Here that.

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Speaker 2: We all know that because of these agreements that a

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Speaker 2: lot of our good farm land is getting planted out

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Speaker 2: in trees and that's not good for New Zealand or

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Speaker 2: food production going forward.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I tend to agree with you for different reasons.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you that we should pull out of this,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think we are going to pull out

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Speaker 1: of it. Are we until others pull out of it first?

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there is certainly a change in the wind,

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Speaker 2: I think, and I think Winston is certainly going to

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Speaker 2: look at it and it's going to be more of

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Speaker 2: an election issue, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, than anything else. And we all know that.

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Speaker 2: Winston's pretty a student picking where the people are going?

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Speaker 1: What is he telling you this behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: He has mentioned that their Paris agreement needs to be

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Speaker 2: relocked at, so that could be pretty open ended.

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Speaker 3: But at least he's open to re looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Did he say re looked at? Because relooked at is

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Speaker 1: not the same as just pulling out all together, which

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Speaker 1: is what we need to do, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I know we do.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to be However, it's a concession for

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Speaker 2: a start that it needs something done, and I guess

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Speaker 2: we've just got to use that as a bit of

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Speaker 2: a leverage.

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Speaker 1: Pricelessen But just for politics. We can't actually be the

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Speaker 1: first to pull out because we are so reliant on

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Speaker 1: people buying our stuff and it would just look terrible

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Speaker 1: if we were if we were accused of being climate

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Speaker 1: deniers as a country, So we can't be amongst the

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Speaker 1: first to pull out, can we. We sort of have

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Speaker 1: to wait for the big guys to go first.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course USA has pulled out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not a good look for them because

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Speaker 1: it's the Orange guy doing it. So don't we have

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Speaker 1: to wait? Do you know what I mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But China, that doesn't have to do anything till

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Speaker 2: twenty fifty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: So and then we've got India, who is considered to

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Speaker 2: be a developing nation, so they don't have to do anything.

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Speaker 3: Russia's not doing it. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Russia not doing anything. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: about sixty five percent of worlds and missions.

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Speaker 1: I follow your logic and I agree with you, But

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you is we cannot be amongst

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Speaker 1: the first, even though you will be proven right in

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Speaker 1: the end when this whole charade falls apart and by

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Speaker 1: twenty fifty eight nothing going on here, you will be right,

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Speaker 1: Bryce mackenzie, But we cannot be amongst the first to

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Speaker 1: pull out, can we?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where it is going, that nobody

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Speaker 2: wants to be first, and it's going to be like

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Speaker 2: a deck of cards because of likes of Argentina and

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Speaker 2: one or two others go.

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Speaker 3: Then I think it'll all start to collect.

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Speaker 1: So what makes you think Argentina will be amongst the first.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've already made a few sounds that that's the

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Speaker 2: way they're going, and we all know that they tend

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Speaker 2: to be pretty cobbery with the USA just now, so

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Speaker 2: there'll be a bit of pressure coming on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then here's here's the next thing. If we all,

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Speaker 1: if those of us who are smart enough to see

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Speaker 1: what's coming, can see what's coming, then shouldn't and we

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Speaker 1: all know that we can't be amongst the first just

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Speaker 1: for political reasons to pull out, Then should farmers start

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Speaker 1: right now acting as if the Paris ac qord is over?

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Speaker 2: Ooh gee, I guess farmers will do that to some

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Speaker 2: extent anyway, Heather, Just how far they can push that,

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Speaker 2: I'm not too sure because they farmers really don't get

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Speaker 2: a lot of say in this because it mainly the

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Speaker 2: companies that they farmers deal with that are involved in this.

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Speaker 2: So farmers themselves don't get a lot of say.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Hey, is it a good vibe there today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually it is a good vibe.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people around, yes, brilliant. And I

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Speaker 2: think I think there'll even be some buying here because

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Speaker 2: maybe not big ticket items, but who knows. There's certainly

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Speaker 2: been a good season for most sheep and bee farmers

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Speaker 2: and for dairy farmers, so there will be a little

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Speaker 2: bit of money around.

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Speaker 1: I think Yeah, brilliant stuff. You go and enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 1: Bryce appreciated. Bryce McKenzie ground as well. Co founder. For

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