1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Regulating the ever evolving media landscape is back on the 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: agenda this morning, as the Broadcasting Standards Authority calls for 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: new laws that update their thirty five year old definition 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: to broadcasting that they currently operate under the boundaries of 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: its jurisdiction are no longer clear of course now. Stacey 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Wood is the chief executive of the BSA and she 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: is with a Stacy, very good morning. 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: To you, Good morning him. 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Is this a continuation of what you 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: sort of started last year with you you dabble into 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: the online stuff. 12 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: This is a continuation of what we've been saying for 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: about fifteen years now. So I'll try and keep it interesting, 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: but I do feel like I'm repeating myself as it. 15 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Okay, is anyone listening to you? 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 2: We hope so. And certainly the culmination of what we've 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: been saying for fifteen years is this this complaint that 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: we've gotten now about an online broadcaster and the position 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: we find ourselves and of having to determine where the 20 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: boundaries are of what our acts is. So we we're 21 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: glad that it's bringing some light to what we've been 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: warning of. 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: What's your bigger concern your lack of ability to navigate 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: the modern landscape or lack of income as a result 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: of the modern landscape. 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: Look, the Act is simply absolute in both regards. So 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: in terms of levies, there's a formula ridden into the Act. 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: Only media who in more than five hundred thousand dollars 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: in revenue a year are required to pay any levee 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: at all. Obviously, with the media landscape Relador is now 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: there's more smaller players, so that does limit the revenue 32 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: we're able to collect media. Larger media and a really 33 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: struggling economic time, so they're having a hard time of it. Two, 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: and there's been no sort of move to assist them 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: competing against global online giants who aren't required to pay leagues. 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: On the other side of things, are the jurisdics in question, 37 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: as has been saying, is not clear. We've got an 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 2: Act that a broadcast as any audio visual program transmitted 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: to the public by any means of talentcommunication. We don't 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: have the resources to regulate all of that. 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: You can't. My problem is horse has bolted. I can't 42 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: if I was the minister in charge of this, and 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: even if I set you down and said, look, I 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: agree with you, So let's do something about it. I 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: don't know where we start and where we stop. 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and successive governments have had that challenge. There's a 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: range of options available. We just don't think doing nothing 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: is tenable any longer. And you know, the regulator, we're 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: not wedded to any one future. We don't know what 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: future regulation might look like. Personally, I don't think no 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: regulation is an answer either. 52 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: No, So the problem are you more worried about the 53 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: accuracy stuff or the sort of the morals, the language 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: or that kind of thing. 55 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, good taste and decency sort of have become less 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: of a concern for audiences. And that's our job is 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: to uphold what audiences and communities and society expects. Right, 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: So that's not what what you care about. That's what 59 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: people care about. And it's reflected in our stats that 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: most of our complaints are about news media. Because of course, 61 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: freedom of speech is one thing. That freedom of expression, 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: which is what's in our fill of rights, that actually 63 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: entitles you to be able to go out and find 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: and have seek the information that you want to get, 65 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: not just say whatever you want online. And if people 66 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: can't find accurate, reliable information about what's going on in 67 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: the world around them, while you see that as a 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: big problem for people's rights and democracy as well. 69 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: See there's a guy called Karl Stefanovick, you know, Karl Stefanovick, 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Australian broadcaster. So he starts over the weekend. It's just 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: so I happened to watch a bit of it, that's all. 72 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: So he starts a podcast and he did it out 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: of Queensland and it was live and it interviewed Pauline Hanson. 74 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: Now should you be in charge of that or not? 75 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Because I watched it and I was here. 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: Yes, great Christian right. Like nothing in our ex is 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: that broadcasters have to be in New Zealand or a 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: broadcast has to be made in New Zealand. But good 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: luck to us trying to go to Australia and you 80 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: tell him that he's part of our jurisdiction. 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: I've been back a week and a half. Have you 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: got any complaints about me? 83 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: Oh? Not so far, but you know, keep going. 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you, Stacey Word, Chief Executive of 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: the Broadcasting Standards Authority. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks, it'd be from six am weekdays, 87 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.