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Speaker 2: After nud Welcome to the show coming up today. David Kirk,

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Speaker 2: Rugby Chair on the Dave Rennie appointment. Jeff Wilson on

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Speaker 2: why he wanted Jamie Joseph, the Independent Children's Monitor, on

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Speaker 2: the latest abuse stats and will get you across the

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Speaker 2: breakup of the biggest Ossie radio duo in years.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ali.

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Speaker 2: The man appointed today as the coach to take the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks to next year's Rugby Wild Cup is Dave

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Speaker 2: Rennie and has he got his work cut out for him?

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Speaker 2: I mean he cannot start full time with the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks until June. He's got to finish his contract in

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Speaker 2: Japan first. That finishes in May, which means that is

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Speaker 2: a tight turnaround to the first test against the French

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Speaker 2: in early July. Then he's got the Italians, and then

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Speaker 2: he's got the Irish, and then he's got the South Africans.

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Speaker 2: Baptism of fire much and then in just over eighteen,

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Speaker 2: he's got the Rugby World Cup. Now taking that trophy's

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Speaker 2: going to be a bit of a challenge, but it

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Speaker 2: is possible. Russi Arrasmus famously took over in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: the next year, and you could argue the spring Box

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Speaker 2: All Blacks are ahead of Rennie taking over. It's worth

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Speaker 2: remembering also, this isn't altogether new ground for Dave Rennie

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Speaker 2: as in coaching at an international level. He was the

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Speaker 2: Wallabies coach before he was dumped for the disaster that

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Speaker 2: was Eddie Jones. If you look at his record with

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Speaker 2: that squad, though, it's not going to fill you with

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Speaker 2: much confidence. I'm sorry to say he had a thirty

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Speaker 2: eight percent win rate, which makes Rayz's seventy four percent

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Speaker 2: win rate look positively outstanding. But if you're being generous,

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Speaker 2: you would have to say that Dave Rennie actually had

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Speaker 2: the odds stacked against him with the Wallabies because it

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Speaker 2: many times, he had injuries, he had player unavailability. He

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Speaker 2: managed to beat South Africa twice, which is saying something.

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Speaker 2: And then neither of his successes, neither Eddie Jones nor

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Speaker 2: Joe Schmidt, have really done that much better. Every in

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Speaker 2: his appointment brings in a couple of firsts. The one

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Speaker 2: that will get all the attention is that he's the

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Speaker 2: first coach of the All Blacks who is of Pacifica descent.

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Speaker 2: But the first that I am enjoying today is that

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Speaker 2: while it's not unusual for ex All Blacks coaches to

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Speaker 2: take over the Wallabies, this is the first time the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks have been taken over by a former Wallabies coach.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duper see Allen.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen is the text standard techs fees apply. Love to

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Speaker 2: hear whether you would have picked Dave over Jamie. Now

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Speaker 2: the pay talks for primary school teachers have broken down,

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Speaker 2: the union has asked the er, the Employment Relations Authority

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Speaker 2: to step in and make the final call here. Liam

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Speaker 2: Rutherford is the lead negotiator for the New Zealand Educational

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Speaker 2: Institute the NZDI. HI lim go to Heather, what's gone wrong?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's fair to say we didn't get

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Speaker 4: been really clear that they're not interested and settling with

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Speaker 4: Ministry of Education to see if we can get into urgent,

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Speaker 2: Through the er. What are the sticking points, So there

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Speaker 4: The most recent one is that is that the Ministry

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Speaker 4: One that also sees teachers feeling valued for the work

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Speaker 4: around the level of ambition that the Ministry of Education's

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Speaker 2: Okay, so two point five percent two point one percent

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we are consistently hearing from teachers.

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Speaker 2: What do you want?

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Speaker 4: That's not the that's not the wage that is going

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Speaker 4: types of conversations are playing out across staff rooms. Staff

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Speaker 4: what we're continually hearing. What we're continually hearing from people

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Speaker 4: packages often come down to more than just a percentage

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Speaker 2: Are you asking her to slow down with her curriculum

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Speaker 4: So not a part of negotiations. I know that there

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: What people are saying is that if we are going

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Speaker 4: to be valued for the work that we're doing, over

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Speaker 4: and above regular change management.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that the treaty is holding this up

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Speaker 4: So that is definitely something that we are interested in.

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Speaker 4: Similar to agreements that you see across the public service,

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Speaker 4: what we are asking is recognition in our collective Agreement

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Speaker 4: of Dititity as the founding document of this country. The

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Speaker 4: position from the government is that they don't negotiate government policy,

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Speaker 4: and that's just not what we're hearing from teachers. I

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Speaker 2: I don't have that mine in my job contract. Why

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Speaker 2: do you want that in yours?

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Speaker 4: Well, there are a number of job contracts with that.

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Speaker 2: Service.

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Speaker 4: I guess what we are hearing from teachers is that

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Speaker 2: How does having the Treaty recognized as the founding document

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Speaker 2: of this country make your pay go up, your conditions better,

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Speaker 4: Oh I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: over the line. We do have a ranger claims around pay,

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Speaker 2: And it's one of the last things, Liam, It's one

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Speaker 2: of the very last things that's caused this thing to

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Speaker 2: break down, is that you people want the Treaty recognized

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Speaker 2: in a contractual dog in a place that most of

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Speaker 4: Well, I disagree agree with that. We're hearing from a

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Speaker 4: But I don't want to overblow how central this is

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Speaker 4: what we are hearing.

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Speaker 2: You sound like you're going to back down on this one.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, that is in our position. Teachers are being

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Speaker 4: really clear about what they want to see in a settlement,

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Speaker 4: and we're calling on the government to come to the party.

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Speaker 2: Liam, thank you for your time. I really appreciated and

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Speaker 2: best of luck of the ra Liam Rutherford Nzidy I

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Speaker 2: lead negotiator. They're going to back down on this, aren't they?

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Speaker 8: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 2: I reckon? Has happened after Eric had dropped that little

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Speaker 2: bomb on Mike's show. I reckon. All the union members,

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Speaker 2: all the teachers have started just emailing Lee.

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Speaker 5: Liam.

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Speaker 2: Why are you holding your things? Why are you doing this?

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Speaker 2: Why's the tree? Why is the treaty holding up my pay?

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Speaker 2: I want my fifty to seventy six dollars a week,

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Speaker 2: please lamb. It's all just coming in. Liam's gonna back down.

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Speaker 2: I'm a teacher. I don't care about the trees. You

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Speaker 2: just pay me more. That's why this is not why

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Speaker 2: I'm a union member. Well, Rob, I think you're about

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Speaker 9: Hello does share the deplicen Okay.

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Speaker 2: Do you have an idea as to why they chose

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Speaker 2: Dave over Jamie.

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Speaker 9: I'd suggest there's a couple of reasons that maybe pushed

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Speaker 9: them over the line. One of them is distance. Distance

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Speaker 9: from endz Are, distance from Super Rugby. He's been coaching

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Speaker 7: He got let go of the.

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Speaker 9: Chiefs or Walk That was ten years ago now, so

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Speaker 9: he's gone. He's been in Glasgow, he's been overing Kobe

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Speaker 9: where he is now. He's coached in Australia for the Wallabies,

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Speaker 9: and he hasn't really been in the weeds of New

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Speaker 9: Zealand rugby. He's keeping a keen eye on it, but

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Speaker 9: there'll be no favorite playing. He comes in fresh with

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Speaker 9: part of why he got the role. Plainly, he had

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Speaker 9: inber that on. But I think that that distance, it

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Speaker 9: says a lot. Plus, he's a terrific bloke. He's old school,

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Speaker 9: maybe not as old school as Jamie Joseph and apparently

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Speaker 9: Jamie took it pretty well. At the press conference today,

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Speaker 9: you know, he mentioned and said, look, thanks very much.

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Speaker 9: Taking this well must be hard because everyone.

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Speaker 5: Thought I thought that he was.

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Speaker 9: I thought Jamie Joseph said, but maybe it's because Jamie

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Speaker 9: the kicker there. Also with tav And he made an

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Speaker 9: interesting comment talking about Brodie Retallick and what great form

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Speaker 9: is him because he plays for.

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Speaker 2: It because in answer to a question about overseas players mentioned.

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Speaker 9: It before that as well, and then he.

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Speaker 2: Clearly wants to do the same thing Razor wanted to do,

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Speaker 2: which was to pick the overseas players.

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Speaker 9: He didn't say that, but he inferred it. Yes, there

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Speaker 9: was a lot to build out of that, and he said, look,

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Speaker 9: had at rest. He's still an astonishing player. I just

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Speaker 9: lobbing the ball to each other. Because it's one of.

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Speaker 2: The arguments against picking players who are based overseas, and

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Speaker 2: So ask him, are you looking like you're playing good?

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Speaker 7: Come on, mate.

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Speaker 2: Darcian Sports for twenty two.

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Speaker 3: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Torin Minister Winston peters Is Willis talk to me about Iran.

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Speaker 11: This has luxem buried himself in his psycho babble the

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Speaker 12: The serious international legal experts at citing this than people

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Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion here the dupathyl and drive with

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Speaker 2: God Dan Mitchinson with us out of the US in

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Speaker 2: is big entertainment news happening there right now. It's the

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Speaker 13: You're off with the fairies with me where you no, no, no,

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Speaker 6: I don't have to.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to prove anything something to the listeners

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Speaker 4: And everyone in this building has mentioned it to me,

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Speaker 3: That's a management because I've got no problem.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well let management talk to me. Then someone's actually

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Speaker 12: Everyone has said, what's going on with Jackie and she's

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Speaker 3: You're not getting that.

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Speaker 2: We'll get a take on that out of Australia after five.

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Speaker 2: Here the Jamie Joseph was going to be another media

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Speaker 2: appointed coach, same as Raiser. Glad to see NZI hasn't

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Speaker 3: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather, duplicl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 15: Mister, well, it's not been.

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Speaker 2: A great week. I think we can all say. For

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Speaker 2: for people in New Zealand who are affected by the

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's a case by case situation. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a check to Thomas Cogland. Thomas's and for Barry,

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Speaker 2: he'll be with us in ten minutes time on that Hither.

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Speaker 2: We've been listening to the Kyle and Jackie Oh Show

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Speaker 2: for years. The on air spat that had recently was

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Speaker 2: It's a wonder he's lasted that long. Do you know

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Speaker 2: it is a wonder that somebody who pushes the envelope

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: At least seven hundred and eighty feet have been killed

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Speaker 2: in the American and Israeli strikes on Iran. Some Iranians

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Speaker 16: I'm coming crime Terehran and there's a lot of chaos

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Speaker 2: There's been opposition to the war in the US Senate.

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Speaker 2: Here's the Democrat, Chuck Tchuma.

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Speaker 3: The American people do not want an endless war. The

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Speaker 14: Every hour.

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Speaker 3: There's a different rationale as to why we're doing this.

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State Marco Rubio has been doing his best

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Speaker 3: Let me explain to you guys, this is simple English, okay.

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Speaker 8: Iran is run by lunatics, religious fanatic lunatics.

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Speaker 3: They have an ambition to have nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 8: They intend to develop those nuclear weapons behind a program

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Speaker 2: And finally, the CEO of McDonald's is catching hell online

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Speaker 17: We've got a very unique kind of sassame poppy sort

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Speaker 2: Now that's that's pretty normal. He struggled to pack the

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Speaker 17: First of all, let's try to get this thing. I

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Speaker 2: And then he took the tiniest bite you can possibly take,

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Speaker 3: That's a big bite for a big arch.

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Speaker 17: I'm going to enjoy the rest of my lunch.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: He's a kale eater. You'll just take one look at him,

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Speaker 2: you go. He loves his kale. Dan Mitchison, US correspondent

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Speaker 2: with US Now, Hello, Dan, Hey, Heather. Okay, so what's

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Speaker 2: the lightest on Iran?

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Speaker 15: Well, the President spoke from the Oval Office a short

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Speaker 15: of countries. Democrats are saying there's no hard proof to that.

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Speaker 15: We know that Americans are being urged to leave a dozen,

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Speaker 15: right now. And then we have our embassies in Kuwait

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Speaker 2: How's that news gone down with you, guys?

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Speaker 15: I mean, I think it's hard anytime that you lose troops,

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Speaker 6: It looks like now this could go on for three weeks,

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Speaker 15: There's been a lot of citizens abroad that are trying

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Speaker 6: At this time, there's no evacuation points for the US.

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Speaker 2: How has it gone down that the kron has labeled

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Speaker 2: these air strikes as illegal.

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Speaker 15: Well, I think that the fact that people are calling

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Speaker 15: it a war over here, even on the network news,

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Speaker 15: when you know Congress never authorize this is telling right now,

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Speaker 15: and Democrats have said, hey, you know this did not

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Speaker 15: go through the proper channels. Right now, I think there

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Speaker 15: are other countries around the world, like you just mentioned,

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Speaker 15: that are saying that, Okay, what do we have going

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Speaker 15: on right here?

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Speaker 6: Is this something that was legitimate.

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Speaker 15: Are we going back to something that we're going to

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Speaker 15: regret that's going to be you know, dragging out. For

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Speaker 15: years and years and years, we've been told there's not

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Speaker 15: going to be any boots on the ground, But now

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Speaker 15: the president is you know, advisors are saying, well, maybe

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Speaker 15: we will have to have troops over there on the ground.

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Speaker 15: And this, I mean this is you know, Congress gave

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Speaker 15: presidents a huge sort of broad authority to use force

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Speaker 15: after nine to eleven too, and then there's been a

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Speaker 15: move I think towards what we just saw this weekend.

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Speaker 15: We've got presidents that have killed you know, from both

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Speaker 15: Democrats and Republicans, that have killed leaders of terrorist groups.

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Speaker 6: But this is the first time that the US has

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Speaker 6: killed a foreign head of state.

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Speaker 2: Is that right, The first time that a foreignhead of

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Speaker 2: state has been killed directly by the US.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you've had You've had people that have killed leaders

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Speaker 15: of terrorist groups like Osama bid Laden and then President

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Speaker 15: trumpet ordered the killing of an Iranian commander by an

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Speaker 15: air strike back in twenty twenty. But this is what

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Speaker 15: the historians are say, that is the first time that

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Speaker 15: anybody in the US has killed that we know.

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Speaker 2: Of yeah, that we know of. I would imagine some keywords.

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Speaker 2: What is the link, by the way, between fatal crashes

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Speaker 2: and new music?

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Speaker 6: This is really kind of strange too.

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Speaker 15: This is a researchers out of Harvard Medical School and

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Speaker 15: they have said there's statistically a correlation between the release

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Speaker 15: days of streamed albums, the most streamed albums, number one songs,

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Speaker 15: and a spike in traffic deaths over here. So, for instance,

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Speaker 15: let's say Taylor Swift or Drake releases new music, streaming

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Speaker 15: volumes obviously served by about forty percent, but at the

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Speaker 15: same time you have traffic deaths jumping by fifteen percent. Now,

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Speaker 15: a lot of these things, these albums and songs, they

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Speaker 15: drop on a Friday, so they may be the culprit.

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Speaker 15: But it could just be that these albums are being

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Speaker 15: released on a Friday when people are out partying, it's

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Speaker 15: the end of the week, they're driving more and it

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Speaker 15: could be a coincidence.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's happy to think about something and it's open.

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Speaker 2: As Dan Majinson, I really appreciated our US correspondent eighteen away.

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Speaker 3: From five Hither dup c Ellen Hither.

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Speaker 2: I put money on Dave as a fill in coach

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Speaker 2: for two years and then after the World Cup they're

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Speaker 2: going to install Joseph with the busy for now. Tony Brown, Michael,

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Speaker 2: you are not the only person saying this now, having

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Speaker 2: watched Dave Renie's press conference, strikes me. Dave Rennie he's

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Speaker 2: not a sort of like, he's not a laugh a

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Speaker 2: minute kind of a guy. He's pretty straight up and down.

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Speaker 2: He's a bit like he will frankly, he's like your

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Speaker 2: uncle who likes watching rugby. That's how he talks. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: So he revealed that Jamie Joseph stood him up for

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Speaker 2: a beer last night.

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Speaker 18: Jake messaged me immediately after he found out this morning,

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Speaker 18: which shows the class to the man, just congratulating me.

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Speaker 18: And I was hoping his interview was yesterday morning. Mine

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Speaker 18: was yesterday afternoon, so we could have a beer last

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Speaker 18: night just to catch up. But so I really appreciate

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Speaker 18: his message.

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Speaker 2: But Scott Barrett, I would say, doesn't sound like he's

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Speaker 2: assured of retaining the captain seat.

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Speaker 18: Obviously, Scott Barrett fantastic player and Karen captain and so

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Speaker 18: I'll be keen to have a chat to him about

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Speaker 18: I guess going forward.

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Speaker 2: He was asked if he thought that the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: could win the Rugby World Cup next night November. There's

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Speaker 2: really only one answer he could give all.

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Speaker 18: The answer is yes, and I'll take a hell of

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Speaker 18: a lot of work. It'll take a lot of alignment.

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Speaker 18: We're going to make sure that players and staff and

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Speaker 18: S and C and the medical and we're all aligned

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Speaker 18: so he can get the accleat in the best possible

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Speaker 18: position to execute and play well.

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Speaker 2: And it sounds also like he is the second coach

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Speaker 2: in a row who has publicly hinted, if not being explicit,

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Speaker 2: about the fact that he wants to be able to

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Speaker 2: pick players from overseas.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 2: For Raiser, that player was Richie Muwanga. For Dave Rennie,

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Speaker 2: that player is Brody Rettallic.

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Speaker 18: Some of the best players in the world plan there

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Speaker 18: and the quality is really strong. So his sides up there.

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Speaker 18: But it'll beat super rugby teams in this competition. So yeah,

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Speaker 18: So he's been phenomenal and if I had the chance

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Speaker 18: to get him back, I'd certainly jump in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the competition he's talking about, in the excellent sides

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Speaker 2: he's talking about are obviously up in Japan. He I mean,

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Speaker 2: the bold call reckons that they could beat the super

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Speaker 2: rugby squad squads anyway, Just before.

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Speaker 19: We move on really quickly, Heather, you said before that

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Speaker 19: you expected Jamie Joseph would get the job rather than

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Speaker 19: Dave Rennie. Just for people who who haven't been listening

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Speaker 19: over the last couple of weeks, this is how sure

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Speaker 19: Heather was that that was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Why are we pretending that Davis in the running for this.

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Speaker 2: You're going to get Jamie Joseph and Dave Reenie's not

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Speaker 2: going to be his second. Yeah, let's see, this is

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Speaker 2: an official prediction. Let's see if we get this one right.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Joseph the whole way.

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Speaker 7: Dear, that's not.

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Speaker 2: Going in the Radio Awards entry, is it? Or are

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Speaker 2: you going to put it in there?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 2: No, no, we're not going to put that for balance.

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Speaker 2: So you've got to get some things wrong. So notch

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Speaker 2: that up, not down? Ye, that's us for the year.

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Speaker 2: That's us for the year. Everything else will be right.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: Quarter too politics with centrics, credit check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever got around to telling you. Actually,

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Speaker 2: just before that, David Kirk, the year ends in our chair,

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Speaker 2: will bear us after five right now it's twelve away

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Speaker 2: from five and Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, and

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Speaker 2: for barrysober Hi Thomas afternoon. Now, what is it that

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis and David Seymour are so worked up about?

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Speaker 2: Ree Barbara Edmonds?

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Speaker 20: Oh, yeah, like a number of things. So Barbara Edmonds

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Speaker 20: did an interview with me. Actually we published it in

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Speaker 20: the Heralds on Monday. The interview basically runs through a

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Speaker 20: whole bunch of labor policy areas and essentially, as your

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Speaker 20: listeners will be very well aware, labour doesn't really have

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Speaker 20: a lot of policy in these areas. Doesn't have a

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Speaker 20: plan to pay for the pay equity reversal. It's got

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Speaker 20: the policy to reverse the pay equity decision. It doesn't

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Speaker 20: have a plan to pay for the twelve point eight

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Speaker 20: billion dollars to fund. It doesn't have a policy around

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Speaker 20: getting rid of investment boost. You know, will they do it,

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Speaker 20: will they not do it? It is looking at doing

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Speaker 20: stuff around the Reserve Bank, bringing back the dual mandate.

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Speaker 20: But essentially they just they criticized large parts of the interview.

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Speaker 20: They were particularly critical of the fact that there is

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Speaker 20: no plan to pay for that pay equity pay equity policy,

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Speaker 20: and they were also critical of that plan to bring

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Speaker 20: back the dual mandate, which Labour hasn't said it's one

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Speaker 20: hundred percent going to bring back that employment mandate. But

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Speaker 20: Edmunds remarks in our story she said it was an

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Speaker 20: idea with looking at which would suggest that they're very

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Speaker 20: keen on it.

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Speaker 2: Now the dual mandates current be if I'm wrong, But

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Speaker 2: that is not that contentious, is it, Because isn't this

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Speaker 2: pretty orthodox?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a fun I mean, I personally think it's

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Speaker 20: a bit of a storm and a tea cup. A

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Speaker 20: lot of countries overseas have a dual mandate for employment

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Speaker 20: and inflation. We obviously had it between twenty eighteen and

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Speaker 20: twenty twenty three. It was a period of high inflation

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Speaker 20: in New Zealand, but it was a high period of

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Speaker 20: high inflation everywhere, and people at the time said, like,

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Speaker 20: look at the margins, at the margins. If if you

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Speaker 20: had that employment inflation mandate, it might have made certain

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Speaker 20: decisions happen at a different time. Maybe you would have

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Speaker 20: maybe you would have held off cutting so you would

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Speaker 20: have cut sooner. Maybe you'd hold off tightening at the

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Speaker 20: moment for longer, so you'd have lower interest rates for longer.

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Speaker 20: But really it's probably not going to affect the direction

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Speaker 20: of travel too much. So it is it's certainly interesting,

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Speaker 20: but I really don't think that this policy, or or

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Speaker 20: Labor's policy keeping it or scrapping it, is really going

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Speaker 20: to have a massive impact.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, a prime a minister. Prime minister never wants

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Speaker 2: to go back to the House to corect the record,

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Speaker 2: so he wouldn't have want to have to do this.

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Speaker 2: But how bad is it?

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Speaker 20: Look, it's it's not the end of the world. It's embarrassing.

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Speaker 20: It's very embarrassing to to sort of sneak into parliament.

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Speaker 20: Chlose Swapert uses the word sneak, and I suppose it's

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Speaker 20: a bit of a sneaky snuck into Parliament last night

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Speaker 20: to correct and answer he made about this Iranian visa situation.

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Speaker 20: Iranians who are in New Zealand on visas will be

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Speaker 20: able to apply to have those visas extended on a

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Speaker 20: case by case basis. That sounds like the one hundred

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Speaker 20: and thirty one hundred and forty Iranians currently here on visas,

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Speaker 20: which which with visas that will expire in the next

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Speaker 20: eight weeks will will probably have the their visas extended.

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Speaker 20: But the remarks that he made in the house about

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Speaker 20: that that extension being automatic were incorrect and he had

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Speaker 20: to go back to the house and correct it.

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Speaker 2: It brings us to the question, why aren't they being

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Speaker 2: automatically extended? Why is the case by case?

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Speaker 20: I honestly don't know it would It would seems to

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Speaker 20: me an easy tweak to make to just take it

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Speaker 20: to cabin a paper which says like, look, you know,

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Speaker 20: we'll extend these visas by six months or a year

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Speaker 20: or something, And I honestly don't know why that's not

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Speaker 20: the case.

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Speaker 2: Thomas always good to talk to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: filling it it such I noticed that's Thomas Coglan the

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Speaker 2: Herald's Political edits a nine away from five here that

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Speaker 2: the visas shouldn't be extended as a given because what

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Speaker 2: if some of the folk are associated with the IIGC

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Speaker 2: and we recognize them as the terrorist organization that they are. Well, maybe,

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Speaker 2: but may just be simply that you have some characters

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Speaker 2: in the country you don't want to have here, and

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Speaker 2: so you can't just automatically extend listen. Bennett Collins's story

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Speaker 2: has become a thing now, you know the one that

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about. This is the one from last Thursday

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Speaker 2: where he took the drop in crime number in the

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Speaker 2: victims of crime numbers, which is a perfectly good story

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Speaker 2: for the government, and then skewed it into somehow managed

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Speaker 2: to turn it into a negative story. That has become

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Speaker 2: a thing because it now transpires that the board at

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Speaker 2: TV and Z has been involved. This has just dropped

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Speaker 2: on the Herald. Shane Curry's just reporting this. So it

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Speaker 2: turns out that there were five interactions, five conversations between

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Speaker 2: politicians and TV and Z as a result of the story.

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Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith, the Broadcasting Minister, spoke with Benedict Collins and

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Speaker 2: then spoke with his boss, political editor, Mikey Sherman, that

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Speaker 2: the evening that it went to air. Then Mark Mitchell's

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Speaker 2: office apparently spoke to Mikey Sherman on Friday. Then there

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Speaker 2: was some sort of communication between Mark Mitchell and a

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Speaker 2: senior TV and Z leader who has not been named.

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Speaker 2: And then at the weekend, Paul Goldsmith, Paul Goldsmith, Broadcasting Minister,

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Speaker 2: took a phone call from the TV and Z chair

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Speaker 2: Andrew Barclay. And Andrew Barclay raises the matter with him,

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Speaker 2: apparently in passing, and Paul Goldsmith assures us that he

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Speaker 2: shut the matter down because it would be inappropriate. All

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Speaker 2: of that is fine until it goes to board level,

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Speaker 2: because at board level there's a strong there's a fair

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Speaker 2: argument to say that the board should not be involved

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Speaker 2: in what's going on editorially. But to my point, which

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Speaker 2: I made, TV and Z is aware of its bias, right,

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Speaker 2: they are taking this seriously by the looks of the

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Speaker 2: thing that I haven't got any inside information. I'm simply

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Speaker 2: looking at what's going on, and by having like a

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Speaker 2: pack of people who know that they've got a problem

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Speaker 2: there anyway, we keep an eye on that because it

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Speaker 2: might turn into a thing four or away from five. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Ockhams normally you don't care about the Occams, but

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Speaker 2: we care about the Ochams unashamedly this year because just

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Speaker 2: Cinder's in them and what did I say, Justinder's mate

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Speaker 2: the short list. It's the right thing for the Okhams

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Speaker 2: to do because it just maintains a record levels of

686
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Speaker 2: interest in a book award that the vast majority of

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Speaker 2: punters would not be interested in, which brings me to

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Speaker 2: Steve Braunius's article about it on Newsroom featuring us allow

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Speaker 2: me to read to you. When her book was longlisted

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Speaker 2: in February, I got a call from a producer of

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplassy Allen, wanting me to appear on her news

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Speaker 2: talk z B show. Old mate. Heather is not exactly illiterate.

693
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Speaker 2: She once sent me a selfie wearing a T shirt

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Speaker 2: designed with the cover of my twenty fourteen book Madmen

695
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Speaker 2: Inside the Weirdest election Campaign ever I did. I wore

696
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Speaker 2: that T shirt a lot. But the invitation was not

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Speaker 2: to discuss the state of New Zealand literature. I was

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Speaker 2: out fishing, so Jenna Todd from Time Out Bookstore got

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Speaker 2: roped in. All that Heather wanted to talk to her

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Speaker 2: about was the ardoun book. Fair enough? Well, thank you

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Speaker 2: for your blessing, Steve, thank you. So let's do it again.

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Speaker 2: Just Cinda has made the shortlist. But even if Cinda

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Speaker 2: doesn't actually win anything, she's gonna win something because she's

704
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Speaker 2: gonna win the prize for the Best First Book of Nonfiction,

705
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Speaker 2: almost certainly because she is the only shortlisted author with

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Speaker 2: the first book of nonfiction. So I'm happy for just

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Speaker 2: Cinda because that means she's got three thousand dollars. You

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Speaker 2: can bank it right now, put it towards the deposit

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Speaker 2: for that house in North Sydney. Yeah for her. David

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Speaker 2: kirk is with US next News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Country, pressing the newsmakers to get that's the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplus d Ellen Drive with one New Zealandon

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 3: News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 15: Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Dave Ready is the new head coach for the All Blacks,

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Speaker 2: announced at lunchtime today. He's going to start full time

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Speaker 2: in June once he finishes up coaching in Japan. The

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Speaker 2: chair of New Zealand Rugby is David kirk Hi David.

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Speaker 7: Hi Hover David.

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Speaker 2: If he's starting in June, it's a tight run thing

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Speaker 2: to the first Test against the French in July, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, there is.

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Speaker 7: It is a type. But he's not actually starting in June.

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Speaker 8: That's when the Japanese competition finishes, and actually it's a

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Speaker 8: week before the Super Rugby finishes, so he'll be coming

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Speaker 8: down here on a pretty regular basis when they have

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Speaker 8: bi weeks up in Japan. So Daves given us a

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Speaker 8: sort of calendar of when he'll be here, so there

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Speaker 8: are three from memory, there are three times when he's

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Speaker 8: here for pretty much a week during that period and

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Speaker 8: a number of other times in which.

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Speaker 7: He'll be working with New Yellow Rugby. So we feel

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Speaker 7: as if that's acceptable, it would be idea. It's not ideal.

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Speaker 8: We would like to have him here the whole time,

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Speaker 8: but the reality is the All Black coaches don't get

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Speaker 8: a lot of access to the players during Super Rugby.

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Speaker 8: They're in the Super Rugby environment and there are no

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Speaker 8: some sort of draft team together.

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Speaker 2: Do you worry that it's not enough lead up as

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Speaker 2: well to the Rugby World Cup, which isn't what like

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Speaker 2: just slightly over eighteen months.

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Speaker 3: I think it.

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Speaker 8: Ideally we would have a long lead up, but we're

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Speaker 8: not in an ideal world. I think we can definitely

746
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Speaker 8: manage it. Dave's made the point really strongly, which I

747
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Speaker 8: think is a really good one, that it's a real

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Speaker 8: gift to him to have the rugby's greatest rivalry this

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Speaker 8: year that as he gets to go away with the

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Speaker 8: players for six or seven weeks, play four times against

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Speaker 8: the World champions South Africa on a tour.

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Speaker 7: He just feels that that's real.

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Speaker 8: Again the understanding of the game model, the type of

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Speaker 8: game that Dave wants to play, help build their culture,

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Speaker 8: have the team focused on the on the details. He

756
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Speaker 8: feels that that sort of tours is ideal in accelerating

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Speaker 8: his engagement with the team and their learning of how

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Speaker 8: he wants them to play the game.

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Speaker 2: Why did you pick come over, Jamie Joseph, I just

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Speaker 2: thought probably not.

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Speaker 8: Probably go into look an extended scorecard, but I think

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Speaker 8: what Dave is Dave has shown in his A selection

763
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Speaker 8: panel was a really broad range of international experience and

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Speaker 8: success in pretty much all of those environments. Coached in

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Speaker 8: New Zealand, Wellington one or two in NPC, and then

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Speaker 8: the Chiefs in Super Rugby, and then he's had international

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Speaker 8: experience with Glasgow, coached them to a Pro fourteen final

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Speaker 8: with the Wall, and he is also coached across in

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Speaker 8: Japan and had success there as well. So a lot

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Speaker 8: of experience, and you know, the game is very global

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Speaker 8: at the moment, innovations coming from lots of different parts

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Speaker 8: of the world, and I think we've got frankly, I

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Speaker 8: think we've got plenty to learn from the.

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Speaker 7: Rest of the world, so he and bring that back

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Speaker 7: to us.

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Speaker 8: Also, we were very very impressed with his ability to

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Speaker 8: build culture and his clarity and detailed on views about

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Speaker 8: what was the appropriate game plan for New Zealanders to

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Speaker 8: play our type of rugby and win the modern game.

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Speaker 2: How is it you wrapped up contract negotiations so fast

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Speaker 2: because you had your interviews yesterday, you had to make

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Speaker 2: a decision overnight, take it to the board this morning,

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Speaker 2: get sign off, and then that would have only left

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Speaker 2: you what like four hours or five hours or something

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Speaker 2: before you had to announce it to the public.

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Speaker 7: Good question, And the answer is we them before.

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Speaker 8: But we did the We we agreed the contract, contractual

788
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Speaker 8: arrangements before we concluded who we were going to appoint

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Speaker 8: hold on.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying that you when you were doing

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Speaker 2: your interviews yesterday you were basically doing your contract negotiations.

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Speaker 7: No, they were already done before we did the interviews.

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Speaker 2: When did you do that?

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Speaker 8: We'll just over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, that's your heart. That's tough, because surely if you

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Speaker 2: were if you were wanting to be the successful candidate,

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Speaker 2: you'd go as low as you possibly could, wouldn't you well,

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Speaker 2: it would be like to do it for five dollars.

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Speaker 8: They have that they have managers or agents work with them,

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Speaker 8: and there is a there's a there's a sort of

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Speaker 8: a global rate if you like the expectation. And we

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Speaker 8: also had a very clear benchmark, which was what the

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Speaker 8: previous coach was on and their contract at that time

804
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Speaker 8: stretched out another two years, so we knew what we

805
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Speaker 8: would have otherwise been paying a coach, and we obviously

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Speaker 8: benchmarked around that.

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Speaker 2: Now he seems quite key on picking overseas based players,

808
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Speaker 2: are you.

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Speaker 8: Every coach that you talk to wants to put the

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Speaker 8: best players on the field, best players that they possibly can,

811
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Speaker 8: that they know that they know of, and so obviously

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Speaker 8: Dave has been working with Brody and others up in

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Speaker 8: Japan and he knows that they're playing very good rugby.

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Speaker 8: So it's not unexpected at all that he would propose

815
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Speaker 8: that we continue to look at There's nothing on the

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Speaker 8: table though, as far as the boards concerned at the moment,

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Speaker 8: to change any to change any of our regulations regarding

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Speaker 8: overseas players, So at the moment that is not under consideration.

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Speaker 2: David, thank you very much, really appreciate your time. As always,

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Speaker 2: David Kirk, New Zealand Rugby chair.

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Speaker 3: Five twelve, Heather, due for celan.

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Speaker 2: Yet again, we've got another report telling us the abuse

823
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Speaker 2: of kids and state at care has gone up. Five

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty children and young people in care were

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Speaker 2: abused in the year to June twenty twenty five. That's

826
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Speaker 2: up from five hundred and seven the previous The reporters

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Speaker 2: come from the Independent Children's Monitor and the chief executive

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Speaker 2: is Aaron Jones High Aeron.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Why is it gone up again?

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Speaker 21: Well, it's probably a range of things. Order a Tambodikwa

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Speaker 21: point two. You've got greater reporting and calling out of incidents,

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Speaker 21: but at the end of the day, it still tells

834
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Speaker 21: you a story of more kids being abused and that's

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Speaker 21: not good reading.

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Speaker 16: No.

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Speaker 2: Now, a third of the kids that you've had a

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Speaker 2: look at are not being visited by their social worker

839
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Speaker 2: as often as they should. What's the problem. There is

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Speaker 2: just a lack of social workers.

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Speaker 21: Well, that's why this report and these care standards are

842
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Speaker 21: so important because you take this back to you know,

843
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Speaker 21: harm happening to these kids. These care standards are about

844
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Speaker 21: good social work and if you do that then you're

845
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Speaker 21: likely to reduce the chance that these kids get harm,

846
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Speaker 21: but more importantly, you're going to ensure that they have good,

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Speaker 21: loving homes because you know, all the evidence shows that unfortunately,

848
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Speaker 21: our young people that go into state care go on

849
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Speaker 21: to have poorer outcomes, most of them in terms of education, employment, housing,

850
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Speaker 21: health outcomes can be worse. So while they're in here,

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Speaker 21: it's a great opportunity to give them the loving homes

852
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Speaker 21: that they need so they can go on and have

853
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Speaker 21: good lives and we can break some of this into

854
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Speaker 21: generational cycle.

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Speaker 7: It's a bit of a no brainer.

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Speaker 21: And so when you're looking at things like social work visits,

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Speaker 21: that's one of the key fundamentals in terms of good practice,

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Speaker 21: as being there for the kids, forming strong relationships, listening

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Speaker 21: to them, understanding what they need and then getting them

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Speaker 21: the help at the right time.

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Speaker 2: Aaron, thanks very much every time. Appreciate Aaron Jones, Independent

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Speaker 2: c Ellens eighteen past five hour is huge news in

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Speaker 2: radio over in Australia with their highest paid by a mile,

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Speaker 2: Duo Kyle and Jackie O from Kiss off air after

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Speaker 2: a falling out. So what's happened is the drama started

886
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: after Kyle Sanderlan's went after his co host Jackie O

887
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: Henderson's work ethic live on air. She walked away from

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Speaker 2: the show show. He's been placed on a two week suspension,

889
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Speaker 2: being told to remedy the situation or his one hundred

890
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Speaker 2: million dollar contract will be canceled. Alexandria for Now is

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Speaker 2: a TV producer and host of the Beefing podcast. Hi Alexandria,

892
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Speaker 2: Hello mate? This isn't this like is not even close

893
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 2: to the worst thing that these guys have done on air?

894
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: So why is this the thing that blows the show up?

895
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Speaker 14: See?

896
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Speaker 3: That's where I'm skeptical.

897
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 6: I smell a rat.

898
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Speaker 13: I find it's so hard to believe that Kyle saying

899
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Speaker 13: Jackie's astrology is getting annoying is enough to blow up

900
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Speaker 13: a partnership of twenty years and a million dollar deal.

901
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: Are you suggesting it's a stunt?

902
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 13: I mean, is that the craziest thing? The two are

903
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 13: known for the biggest stunts in radio Australian radio history,

904
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Speaker 13: aren't they.

905
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: So this is a pretty clever one.

906
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 13: If it is, it's getting a lot of coverage. They're

907
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 13: giving a lot of information about things that are going

908
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 13: on behind the scenes, which if it was real, do

909
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 13: you think we'd be so privy to all these negotiations

910
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 13: and things at AAR and are saying to Kyle about

911
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Speaker 13: he has ten days to do this.

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Speaker 14: I don't know.

913
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 13: It feels like a stunt to save their brand and

914
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Speaker 13: save space, is my theory.

915
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: So is it possible. An alternative theory is that they

916
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: just priced themselves out of the market.

917
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Speaker 13: Right.

918
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: There was a plan to take the show from Sydney

919
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: to Melbourne to Brisbane around the country. They signed new

920
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: contracts a couple of years ago two hundred and forty

921
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Speaker 2: million dollars over ten years, which is eyewatering. It's not

922
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Speaker 2: going to plan, and the employers have looked at it

923
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Speaker 2: and gone, we need to get out of this, We

924
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Speaker 2: need to get rid of them, and this gives them

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Speaker 2: the opportunity. So I think it's a combination.

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Speaker 13: So yes, I do think that that has caused this,

927
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Speaker 13: because you know, there's been a lot of activism against

928
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Speaker 13: commercial sponsors, so Arn has lost and Kyle and Jack

929
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Speaker 13: you have lost a lot of commercial sponsors as a

930
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Speaker 13: result of all the activism and fury.

931
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Speaker 2: Obviously it was a failure in Melbourne.

932
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Speaker 13: So yes, all those commercial failings have contributed to a

933
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Speaker 13: market where having these eyewatering figures it's just not sustainable.

934
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Speaker 13: But the way in which they had to go about it,

935
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Speaker 13: I think is where the planned kind of the planned

936
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Speaker 13: facade or prank sorry no, the planned stunt has sort

937
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Speaker 13: of come into it to help Kyle and Jackie O

938
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Speaker 13: kind of save face in a roundabout way, is what

939
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Speaker 13: I believe. Instead of just acting them and giving them

940
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Speaker 13: that humiliation, I feel like they've made it like this

941
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Speaker 13: so it seems more organic and not just that the

942
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Speaker 13: company network has had to completely act.

943
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Speaker 2: I follow that. So she is offered a show, another

944
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Speaker 2: show on the station. Does she take it? And what

945
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Speaker 2: happens to him?

946
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Speaker 13: My theory is that eventually they're going to reunite under

947
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Speaker 13: a different contract, not so expensive.

948
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Speaker 21: Maybe I also think that this could help save their brand.

949
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Speaker 13: With Kyle actually having to suffer consequences. Jackie's now angry.

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Speaker 13: Jackie's the good woman who you know has finally stood

951
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Speaker 13: up to Kyle. Does she take him back? Well, yeah,

952
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Speaker 13: she might take back, but he's learned his lesson and

953
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Speaker 13: he's changed his tune and he's a new man. And

954
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Speaker 13: he's not going to be as offensive anymore. That's my

955
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Speaker 13: prediction for what could happen in you know, six twelve months.

956
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Speaker 13: I don't think she's going to take.

957
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Speaker 2: The radio without him. Could be wrong.

958
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Speaker 13: She does have a fairly successful podcast separate to Kyle.

959
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Speaker 13: I believe so could happen, But I wouldn't be surprised

960
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Speaker 13: if the pair reunite under a you know, the proviser

961
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Speaker 13: that Kyle is a changed man.

962
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Speaker 2: Now would anyone believe that? Alexandria? Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: Alexandria for now TV producer, host of the Beefing podcast. Right,

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Speaker 2: we'll deal with around next five to twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The day's newspeakers talked to Heather first, Heather dupers Ellen

966
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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite

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Speaker 1: Mobile News Doorg said, be.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm right in saying that Jeff Wilson called

969
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Speaker 2: it for Jamie Joseph. What wrong obviously, Yeah, imagine doing

970
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Speaker 2: that on the radio. I think he I think he

971
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Speaker 2: did it with Jason Pine anyway, So Jamie Joseph was

972
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Speaker 2: has picked for the All Blacks coach, so he's going

973
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Speaker 2: to be with us just after the news and talk

974
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Speaker 2: us through how we got that so badly wrong, and

975
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Speaker 2: whether he's disappointed today five twenty five. I'll tell you

976
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Speaker 2: what I'm surprised about RhE Iran. It's how angry some

977
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Speaker 2: people in this part of the world are about the

978
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Speaker 2: US strikes that are happening more than ten thousand k's

979
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Speaker 2: away from US, for example. And I say this without

980
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Speaker 2: any no disrespect at all, but for example Phil GoF.

981
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Speaker 2: I enjoy having Phil Goff on the show. I always

982
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Speaker 2: appreciate his informed opinion, I love his passion, I love

983
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Speaker 2: a strong opinion, but I was surprised at how angry

984
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Speaker 2: this was making him. I have friends and members of

985
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Speaker 2: my family who I would say are equally angry about this,

986
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Speaker 2: and I've spent some time having to debate it with them,

987
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Speaker 2: and they get very cross, very vexed. My question is

988
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: why why the enormous passion about a conflict that's happening

989
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: outside of our region, not involving US, which may actually

990
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: have some positive geopolitical impacts for New Zealand. If Trump

991
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Speaker 2: gives China a bit of a frightened makes Jijin ping

992
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Speaker 2: pull is hidden, can I suggest that maybe some of

993
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Speaker 2: it may be because of what appears to be a

994
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Speaker 2: baked in national antipathy towards American military action. I think

995
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Speaker 2: that part of our national story now involves so much

996
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: personal pride in standing up to the States on the

997
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Speaker 2: nuclear issue, on the invasion of Iraq issue, that we

998
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Speaker 2: default to hating on the States on any new and

999
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Speaker 2: unrelated event. I personally think that the global rules based

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Speaker 2: order is what we talk about. It's what we say

1001
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Speaker 2: we're upset about when we're actually just angry at the States,

1002
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Speaker 2: and especially a United States that's run by Donald Trump.

1003
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Speaker 2: If you're a fan of the rules based order, you

1004
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Speaker 2: have to remember, yep, there are rules against unprovoked attacks

1005
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: on sovereign states, but there are also rules about those

1006
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Speaker 2: sovereign states killing their own citizens in the street and

1007
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Speaker 2: shooting them point blank. You also have to remember that

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Speaker 2: rules don't enforce themselves. You need an enforcer. And you've

1009
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: got three options to pick from people. You can pick

1010
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Speaker 2: the United States, you can pick China, or you can

1011
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: pick Russia. Which one of those would you rather have hold?

1012
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: Holding murderous states like irant to account.

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00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: Ever, duper sel, I'll give you a little bit of.

1014
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: The latest information on Iran. You got the first flight

1015
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: out of Dubai to Sydney, which has taken off more

1016
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Speaker 2: than two hundred ozzies or on board that flight, very

1017
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Speaker 2: happy to be out of the region. I'd imagine. The

1018
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: Aussie governments announced it's going to send six crisis teams

1019
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: to conflict conflict zones in the Middle East, but they're

1020
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Speaker 2: keeping the location that they're sending them to a secret.

1021
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Trump has suggested he might offer some insurance to the

1022
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: commercial fishing, commercial shipping guys. The US Navy may begin

1023
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Speaker 2: escorting the oil tankers through the state of Humus if necessary.

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Speaker 2: It's not clear if that's going to be enough to

1025
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Speaker 2: stop rising prices. Though the Iranian leadership has selected Ali

1026
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: Harmony's son more Taba as the next Supreme Leader. They've

1027
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: done it under some pressure from the Revolutionary Guards and

1028
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: outside of the traditional legal ways that they would have

1029
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: to normally do it. But it's because they really need

1030
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: to establish re established chains of command basically, so things

1031
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: are don't fall apart at the rate of knots they

1032
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: apparently are inside Iran at the moment. He Oh, anyway,

1033
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: more to come. I'm sure, as I say. Jeff Wilson

1034
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: with US Next News.

1035
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: Twokspvent the name you trust to get the answers you need.

1036
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: It's Heather duplus c Ellen drive with one New Zealand

1037
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: coverage like no one else used talks they'd.

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Speaker 2: Be is going to be with us after six o'clock

1039
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: chatter through the Jesus making christ Bishop's life hard at

1040
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: the moment on the density stuff. He's going to talk

1041
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: us through that. I don't know if it's wise for

1042
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Speaker 2: me to read this text out, but I'm going to

1043
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: read it out just so you get an just to

1044
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: give you an example of how angry people are. Heather,

1045
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: you are a disgusting, hypocritical Zionist apologist. The only murderous

1046
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: regimes are Israel in the USA, which well, I think

1047
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: we know is factually untrue, given around was murdering its

1048
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: people on the streets. But there are just an example.

1049
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Speaker 2: Twenty four huddles with us very shortly on the subject

1050
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Speaker 2: twenty four away from six Get more now on the

1051
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Speaker 2: appointment of Dave Rennie as the next All Blacks coach.

1052
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Speaker 2: Jeff Wilson is a Sky Sport commentator and a former

1053
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: All Black. Of course, and with us, Hi, Jeff, oh

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Speaker 2: here they are you going?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 2: Thanks? Very very well. Thanks mate. Now, am I right

1057
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: in thinking that you called it for Jamie Joseph?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, early doors, I absolutely did, no doubt that. I

1059
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Speaker 22: thought Jamie probably had the inside running. But over the

1060
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Speaker 22: last probably a couple of weeks and clearly New Zealand

1061
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 22: Rugby had done a thorough process.

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Speaker 5: That sounds as though they've left no stone unturned and if.

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Speaker 22: You read a little bit more into it, particularly the

1064
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Speaker 22: fact the contract just running to the end of the

1065
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Speaker 22: Rugby World Cup, this is as Daverdy himself said, a

1066
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Speaker 22: bit of a sprint try and get ready in a

1067
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Speaker 22: short period of time, and he obviously fitted the brief

1068
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Speaker 22: that they were looking for. And you know, I think

1069
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Speaker 22: he'll go in there, he'll be aggressive, try and make

1070
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Speaker 22: quick changes and I see if they can get the

1071
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Speaker 22: job done in a month's time.

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Speaker 2: Well, do you think it's possible? Jamie Joseph looked at

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Speaker 2: what was on offer and said.

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Speaker 5: No, no, I'm not sure about that at all.

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Speaker 22: You know, I think both candidates would have interviewed really

1076
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Speaker 22: strong and well, it's probably the circumstances. And you know,

1077
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Speaker 22: I'm hopeful that Jamie hangs around like I'm sure everyone

1078
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Speaker 22: else is, that he continues with the Hollanders and the

1079
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Speaker 22: All Blacks fifteen and maybe he has to buy his

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Speaker 22: time a little bit longer and another opportunity comes up.

1081
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Speaker 22: But clearly Dave impressed a bunch of former Blacks who

1082
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Speaker 22: interviewed him and experienced people, and they felt this is

1083
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Speaker 22: the right way to go.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's a hard one for Jamie. You know, I

1085
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Speaker 5: was hopefully he would get the job, But I'm not

1086
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Speaker 5: unhappy at all in any way, shape or form. I

1087
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Speaker 5: know Dave really well. I think he'll do a great job.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that there is something here in the

1089
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 2: Tony Brown factor? Tony Brown's not available makes the Jamie

1090
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: Joseph proposition just a little less shiny.

1091
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it would be fair to say that.

1092
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Speaker 22: I mean, you know, I know Tony as well, and

1093
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Speaker 22: you know, the combination of those two coaches together have

1094
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Speaker 22: had great success in the way that they work, and

1095
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Speaker 22: that obviously wasn't going to be available over these two years.

1096
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 22: And you know, it's not just about one coach at times,

1097
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 22: it's about a combination of people.

1098
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: And once again, Dave might.

1099
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 22: Have had just quite a clearer picture of who he

1100
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 22: might have and support team, And like you say, this

1101
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 22: is about convincing the people at New Zealand Rugby and

1102
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 22: this is David Kirk giving me a arm of Dane Cole's. Now,

1103
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 22: these are guys who understand what it takes at the

1104
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 22: highest level that you can win and win now and

1105
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 22: that's the direction they've gone.

1106
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I think that may have added to it.

1107
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 22: But like I said, Jamie's a vasty experienced coach as well,

1108
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 22: and you know he'll be disappointed, but he'll understand that

1109
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 22: this is this is the nature of coaching.

1110
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 5: It's a competitive market.

1111
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: Okay, who gets the captain?

1112
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 5: C Oh, that's a great question, and that's you know,

1113
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 5: and Dave Rennie. You know I can quote him because

1114
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 5: I listened to his press conference. I spoke to him.

1115
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 22: I was lucky enough to get a one on one.

1116
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 22: You know, he'll have conversations with Scott Barrett, who's the incumbent,

1117
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 22: and he'll talk to the senior players in the group.

1118
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 22: And he did emphasize leadership is going to be absolutely critical.

1119
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 5: So who's it going to be.

1120
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 22: I think the list is short, you know, I think

1121
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 22: an artist, Savier Cody Taylor for me have to be

1122
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 22: in the conversation. Scott Barrett as the incumbent has to

1123
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 22: be I suppose spoken to about what role he's going

1124
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 22: to have going forward. There's a lot in play here,

1125
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 22: but David, and he's always already said it that he's

1126
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 22: got no loyalties. His expectations are that the players step

1127
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 22: up and prove they deserve to wear the All black jersey.

1128
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: Do you reckon he's got it here? Has he got

1129
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: it in order to win the Rugby World Cup in

1130
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: just over eighteen months?

1131
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 22: Jeff, Look, I honestly believe we've got the talent. I

1132
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 22: believe we've got enough experience. We've been right there before

1133
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 22: just a couple of years ago, you know, in a

1134
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 22: World Cup final, just losing by one point, to know

1135
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 22: what it takes. It's a matter of whether or not

1136
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 22: everyone can get on the same page really really quickly,

1137
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 22: and if they build.

1138
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 5: Momentum and eighteen months ken a lot can change in

1139
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 5: eighteen months. It certainly can. I believe this organization, this

1140
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 5: coach and this team is certainly good enough.

1141
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: Jeff, it's good to talk to you, mate. Thank you

1142
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: so much for your time. Really agregiated Jeff Wilson, Skysport commentator,

1143
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: former All Black twenty away from.

1144
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international Realty, A

1145
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: name you can trust locally and globally.

1146
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 2: Right with me on the huddle, Tim Wilson maximums chute,

1147
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: Alie Jones read pr hello you too, hi bo? Who

1148
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: wants to go first on the rugby Between the two

1149
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 2: of them?

1150
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 14: I'll dive then. I love the sport. No, I love

1151
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 14: this sport the way I do. I reckon. Did you

1152
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 14: hear the enthusiasm in Jeff Wilson's voice? Dave Briley, He's

1153
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 14: got the CV, got the took the Chiefs, big fan

1154
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 14: of the Chiefs by the way. Too successive back to

1155
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 14: back Super Rugby titles that never won before. He turned

1156
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 14: grinners into winners, will of bees. That's a bit meth.

1157
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 14: They were bad before he started. They were bad while

1158
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 14: he started, though bad afterwards. So look, I'm I think

1159
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 14: he's ready for the ABS. I wonder the A B's

1160
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 14: are ready for him, because coaches with good records like

1161
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 14: Razor for example, fantastic with the Crusaders and with the

1162
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 14: All Blacks. So that's the bit to figure out.

1163
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: You know, you almost sound like you know what you're

1164
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 2: talking about.

1165
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 14: And also he's related to Craig Grinny, right, so it's

1166
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 14: a successful family.

1167
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, Heather, Okay, I don't think that that's true. Ali, Ali,

1168
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: do you want to know?

1169
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 23: I have nothing no.

1170
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 8: Can know about it.

1171
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 23: I have asked a few people today around what they

1172
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 23: think we're colleagues, and they're still very upset about.

1173
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 24: Scott so.

1174
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 14: Christ Church. Yeah.

1175
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 23: Absolutely, ye.

1176
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 2: Now I'll tell you why, Allan, why don't you answer

1177
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: me this? Okay? On the scale of one to fly,

1178
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: how angry are you about the USA strikes on Iran.

1179
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 23: Four and a half?

1180
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 3: Like?

1181
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: Really angry?

1182
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1183
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 23: I am really angry for two main reasons. Firstly, I

1184
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 23: still am not convinced that an attack against America was imminent.

1185
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 23: I haven't heard any evidence to support that what the

1186
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 23: Americans are saying. Secondly, I'm really angry because this president

1187
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 23: is going ahead and doing stuff without going through Congress,

1188
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 23: without following proper process. What is to stop him doing

1189
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 23: something else as barmie against someone else when he feels

1190
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 23: like it. I heard him talking about Spain today. Spain

1191
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 23: won't let them use the you know, the their air sields,

1192
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 23: and Trump goes to you, well, we can still land there,

1193
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 23: but it doesn't matter if they can't stop it. That's

1194
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 23: why I'm angry about it. When are people going to

1195
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 23: start calling this guy out and stopping her from the lunacy.

1196
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: That he is Again, I want to just test this

1197
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: with you, though, So even though he's taken out somebody

1198
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: who is like a proven bad guy who and will

1199
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: possibly if this fingers crossed, if this goes well, could

1200
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: potentially make Iranians and certainly the Middle East safer, even

1201
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: though what he might do as a good thing, You're

1202
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: still angry at him.

1203
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 14: Yep.

1204
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 23: I am still angry at him because that is not

1205
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 23: a good argument.

1206
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: Right.

1207
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 23: How do you justify the next one? Just because he

1208
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 23: thinks and others think this is a bad guy, what's

1209
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 23: to stop him taking someone else out that he has

1210
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 23: an opinion of that is not a correct opinion. He

1211
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 23: is not a law unto himself.

1212
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: Okay, And how do you feel about it?

1213
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 20: Tim?

1214
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: One to five.

1215
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, I'm not particularly angry. I guess I'm neutral.

1216
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 14: I think you touched on something with the editorial heither

1217
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 14: in that we have a suspicion of military action in

1218
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 14: this country. And indeed, if you look at the way

1219
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 14: that we configure, you know, can figure out of defense.

1220
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 14: Last ten years, our defense spending didn't create as or

1221
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 14: Europe's increased by thirty percent, China's increased by seventy eight percent,

1222
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 14: almost eighty percent. We have this kind of aversion to

1223
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 14: military action and I'm not sure. Well, I think it's

1224
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 14: a cultural thing in some ways, but anyway, I think

1225
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 14: that's affecting our response to this.

1226
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: So do you think tim, because because we have seen

1227
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: the US completely stuff up with Iraq, and because we

1228
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: feel proud of ourselves with standing up to them on

1229
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: the situation of the nuclear free perhaps that is informing

1230
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: what's going on here, Like we're not looking at this

1231
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: and maybe that's not a bad thing to be informed

1232
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: by history and previous previous US military action has led

1233
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: to bad outcomes. To be informed by that and to

1234
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: assume this is going to be bad as well.

1235
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, yeah, Look, I think that that's some of it,

1236
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 14: and that's reasonable. It doesn't necessarily justify some of the

1237
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 14: anger you've discerned. Also, the way that we celebrate celebrate

1238
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 14: Anzac Day, for example, we often say, you know what's important,

1239
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 14: this piece we should never go war is a terrible thing.

1240
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 14: It must never happen again. But our ancestors, who fought

1241
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 14: for something they believed in would disagree strongly. So I

1242
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 14: think the way we commemorate war is problematic here as well.

1243
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 23: I don't think this was relevant to with all respect,

1244
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 23: I really don't. I think it's really simple when you

1245
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 23: hear the head of the Department of War, yup, Department

1246
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 23: of War say if you heard Americans, we will hunt

1247
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 23: you down and kill you. I mean, seriously, this is

1248
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 23: the bit that's making me angry. There's this incredible power.

1249
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 23: There are all of these people dead, and the people

1250
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 23: who are pushing this, who are making these decisions, are lunatics.

1251
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 14: To be frank, I yeah, I disagree. I disagree with

1252
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 14: their lunsics. I think we can have an argument about

1253
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 14: military action. But the picture is a lot more mixed overseas.

1254
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 14: You see NATO Secretary General supporting it, German Chancellor Mertz

1255
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 14: supporting it, within the Arab world, the UAE, the Saudi's

1256
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 14: guitar supporting it. So let's have the discussion, but let's

1257
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 14: not be angry.

1258
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: All right, We'll take and we'll come back. We're gonna

1259
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: have to talk about the union with the Treaty thing.

1260
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: Bearwith quarter two The Huddle with.

1261
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only truly global brand.

1262
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: Right, You're back of the Huddles twelve away from six.

1263
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: Tim Willson, Allie Jones, guys, I want you to listen

1264
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: to this, Okay. Liam Rutherford from n ZDI was on

1265
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: the show earlier and admitted that part of the reason

1266
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: the primary teachers pay negotiations have fallen over is because

1267
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: the union wants the Treaty recognized in the contracts. How

1268
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: does having the Treaty recognized as the founding document of

1269
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: this country make your pay go up, your conditions better,

1270
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: or the children learn more in class?

1271
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not saying that at all. We do have

1272
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 4: a ranger claims around pay, around learning, support, around change men.

1273
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: And it's one of the last Islam. It's one of

1274
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: the very last things. That's caused the thing to break

1275
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: down is that you people want the Treaty recognized in

1276
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: a place that most of us would not expect it

1277
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: to be even mentioned.

1278
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 3: Well, I agree, grieve at that, Ali.

1279
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: That sounds to me like a man who is embarrassed

1280
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: by his position.

1281
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 23: Well, I think it sounds like a man who was

1282
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 23: questioned by someone who knew what they were talking about, yourself,

1283
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 23: and you got the response from him that he wanted.

1284
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 23: I thought it was an excellent interview. Yeah, I think

1285
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 23: there's a bit of an arrogance actually when you have

1286
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 23: people that say these things, and it's a sticking point obviously,

1287
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 23: as you said, but when the questions are asked, Heather,

1288
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 23: as you did, so well there they are unable to

1289
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 23: answer them. You know, these are not bumper stickers. These

1290
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 23: are not things that we need as virtue signaling. They

1291
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 23: need to be answered, and he clearly couldn't answer it.

1292
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: If you listened me a little bit. By the way,

1293
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: thank you for all of the compliments, Alie. I couldn't

1294
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: possibly let that pass without without acknowledging it.

1295
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 23: Lord, You're welcome.

1296
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: Tim. It sounds to me like he's going to back down.

1297
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, look it does.

1298
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 4: It does.

1299
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 14: And what I'm loving is that we're sort of modeling

1300
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 14: this and I completely agree with Ellie, and that's that's

1301
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 14: the way. That's at the risk, at the risk of

1302
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 14: saying that Kiwis can't actually disagree well about things. Where

1303
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 14: actually agreeing about compings this is good, But how.

1304
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: Did it explain to me something, Tim, how did this

1305
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: even end up? Like, how did we get to a

1306
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: point where this as in a contract negotiation being run

1307
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: by a teachers' union.

1308
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 14: It's not clear to me because I'm not a high

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Speaker 14: up in a teachers union, but it's obviously something that

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Speaker 14: was seen to be important. I wonder if there's been

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Speaker 14: feedback from teachers so it's like, Okay, we're going to

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Speaker 14: go for this. It's like, oh, no, you know what,

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Speaker 14: I just want my two and a half percent. Can

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Speaker 14: we just get in the room and talk about it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe, so Okay. It seems to me Ali, just on

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: this business of the ongoing stats ticking up of the

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01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: number of kids who are in state can continue to

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Speaker 2: be abused, it feels to me like the solution may

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Speaker 2: lie actually in employing more social workers. What do you think.

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Speaker 23: I don't know whether that's I think that's part of

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 23: the answer. That this always makes me want to cry

1323
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 23: and we hear about it over and over again. It's

1324
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 23: like groundhog Day. Right. So we had the death of

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01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 23: Malachai showcheck and you know the report and that in

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Speaker 23: twenty one the coroner raise concerns it at the hearing

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01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 23: as well, and it's all the same stuff that is

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Speaker 23: being brought up.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 23: What frustrates me about this is that they know what

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01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 23: the problems are, and I think you've identified one. It

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Speaker 23: is certainly starting its standards of you know, training and experience,

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 23: but there's a whole lot of other stuff there, the silo,

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Speaker 23: which is something that's just been identified in this latest report.

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Speaker 23: We know what the they know what the problems are.

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Speaker 23: Why don't they just fix them? This is one of

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Speaker 23: the most vulnerable groups in society. And all I can

1338
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 23: hear is, you know when people say, well, well, I

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01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 23: rang a tamariki and this basically said that as a

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Speaker 23: response to this report that eight out of ten focus

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Speaker 23: areas have improved and they're seeing sustained improvements through a

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 23: focus on that work. All I hear in my head

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 23: when I read those words is Greta Turnberg going blah

1344
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 23: blah blah, fix it, get on with it. You know

1345
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Speaker 23: what the problems are.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, doesn't this high just recognize again, families are

1347
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 14: at the core of our society, and when families break

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01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 14: and are broken, it resonates through the whole of the

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01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 14: fabric of who we are. I think there's clearly an

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Speaker 14: issue in terms of the number of social workers. But

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Speaker 14: I'm hearing from some foster appearance that there are too

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 14: many rules and bureaucratic barriers to participation are pretty high.

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Speaker 14: So we want more good families being able to be

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Speaker 14: involved so these kids can go into good families. We

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01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 14: do need more social workers as well, but it's more

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Speaker 14: than just what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, it's good to talk to you. Thank you

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01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: so much. Appreciate it. Tim Wilson, Allie Jones a huddle

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Speaker 2: this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News talksz'b.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Heather, I would have more respect for what Trump

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01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: has done to Iran if he also took out the

1364
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: dictators in Africa and other poor places in the world

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01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: where there isn't any oil or strategic interest. This is

1366
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 2: simply doing what is best for America, nothing more, nothing less. Thanks.

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01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 2: It's a fair point to make here that my wife

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 2: and I are teachers. We both voted to accept the offer.

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed in the Union. This is what, you know,

1370
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Speaker 2: what I would love to meet next time I come

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01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: across a primary teacher. I'm gonna ask this question, how

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Speaker 2: did you let it get to this point? How did

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01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: you let it get to the point where Liam, as

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01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: the lead negotiator, has allowed your deal to fall over?

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Speaker 2: For to be fair, A bunch of reasons, but one

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: of them being the treaty. How did you guys put

1377
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Speaker 2: up with this this long?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 2: Why is it even in there? Why do you go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's cool, negotiate on that. I don't understand. The only

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01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: reason Liam has gone out on his wacky limbs because

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Speaker 2: you let them? Why did you let him? You get

1383
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: what you tolerate. That's what they say about the children.

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01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: You get what you tolerate, So you got what you tolerate. Anyway, listen,

1385
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you the update on oil very shortly

1386
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 2: because Jeremyhutton of Milford Asset Management is going to be

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01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: with us. Can I just point something out? Oh, there's

1388
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: the wackiest pole on billionaires like it is? What do

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Speaker 2: you think? I'm gonna tell you this is dumber than that.

1390
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: So I'm going to get to that shortly, but I've

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Speaker 2: got I've got to just update you on something. Remember

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Speaker 2: David Pharaoh, friend of the show, regular Huddlist wrote an

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: opinion piece in The Post and he said we should

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: join Australia as the seventh state. Well blow me down

1395
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: if people haven't taken this like extremely seriously. The poll

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: the Post has done a poll, a Freshwater strategy poll

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: asking people whether we want to do this. Sixty five

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: percent of us oppose the proposal, fifty two percent of

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01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: US strongly opposed the proposal, only twenty four percent support it.

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: But between this and then Jeffrey Palmer, the former Prime Minister,

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 2: taking like four hours out of his day to write

1402
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: a really long essay on why we shouldn't do it.

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01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 2: What I love is how seriously we've taken this idea.

1404
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: And you know why we've taken David Barrow's idea so

1405
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: seriously because it's actually a good idea. Wayne Brown auklamaire

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: with us next, what's up?

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: What's down? What for to make calls? And how will

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01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 3: it affect the economy?

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01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour, where the

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01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: head the DUP for cy Allen and Mass Insurance and investments?

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands? Ustorf set be even.

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01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: In coming up in the next hour. Gr Native Strainey

1413
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: on loosened lending rules, which is good for the first

1414
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: home buyers. Milford Asset Management will give us an update

1415
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: on the price of oil and where it's going. Read

1416
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: the War in Iran and Gavin Gray on Trump's sledging

1417
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: Starmer and saying we're not dealing with Winston Churchill here

1418
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: seven past six now, the Housing Minister has written to

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01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: the Mayor of Auckland wanting to know which suburbs are

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Speaker 2: going to be see the most housing intensification. Chris Bishop

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01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: produced Auckland's intensification requirements in February, but it's unclear where

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Speaker 2: exactly in the city possible future development will have to

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01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: be scaled back. Mayor Wayne Browns is preparing a map

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: for the Minister will be too expensive, so he's not

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Speaker 2: going to do it. And he's with us in studio,

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Speaker 2: Wayne hallo, why not just do a map.

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Speaker 10: Mine the Mayor of Auckland, okay, and we will decide

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 10: what Auckland does. Has been enough influence from down there. Personally,

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Speaker 10: I get on well with Bishop. That's not the problem

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Speaker 10: with the Bishop.

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Speaker 2: Wayne. You got to stop playing with the microphone. I

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01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 2: can't even hear you. Okay again, you're the mayor of Auckland.

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Speaker 10: Okay, and we want to decide what Auckland's like. That's

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Speaker 10: what one hundred and eighty thousand people vaded for me

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Speaker 10: to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 10: The bishop's idea of intensification I agree with. We're quite

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 10: clear we don't have a problem with each other. He's

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01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 10: having a problem with his nest of vipers that he's

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Speaker 10: in Wellington with.

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Speaker 2: But why not just do the maps and show the ministers,

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: show the MPs for Auckland. Even Auckland is where the

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Speaker 2: intensifications going.

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Speaker 10: First of all, right, at the moment the government are

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01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 10: saying daft things like we need a rates cap. You're

1446
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 10: not allowing to spend any money lot's supposed to do.

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01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 10: And so we are already doing what the law says,

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 10: which just get ready for two million house sites, which

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01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 10: isn't two million houses, it's too many potential house sites.

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Speaker 10: And we're going to intensify where it makes sense. We've

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 10: got infrastructure and where we've got trains and buses going

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01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 10: through certain areas. Those are the sensible places and that's

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01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 10: where it will take place once we got going on

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 10: that there, and that is what we are spending money.

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01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,959
Speaker 10: This costs a lot of money. We've got fifty five

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 10: people full time reading ten thousand submissions from the public

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01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 10: about the two million thing and the intensification, and.

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Speaker 2: You've spent about is it thirteen million dollars.

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01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 10: Another three million since the Christmas just doing those things

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 10: and it's a very expensive. Millions go up straight away

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01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 10: what they suggest, and then then some of them are

1462
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 10: more nervous act in New Zealand and National Party MPs

1463
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 10: of thinking, oh my god, they're going to have multi

1464
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 10: story buildings in our suburb. We're all those leafy green people,

1465
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 10: And well, that's what happens. This is the world's biggest suburb.

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Speaker 10: It's going to become a city. I live in a

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Speaker 10: multi story building. Lots of people do, and so it's

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Speaker 10: going to be in those sensible places. But the number

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Speaker 10: of two million came because we'd already had a medium

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Speaker 10: density Residence thing mdr S that gave every house sight

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 10: and Auckland could get three three story doings, whether you.

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Speaker 14: Like it or not.

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01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 2: Stupid, So have you multiplied it?

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Speaker 10: You get two million?

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01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 25: Why don't you just do the maps because it's not

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01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 25: that easy. It costs a lot of money. And so

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01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 25: how this is just we've spend thirteen million and we

1478
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:27,799
Speaker 25: haven't even got anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Ye okay, so that they do, and fair enough that

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01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: you don't want to that they do the law change.

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01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: How hard is it to pump out.

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Speaker 10: A map, Well, it's not a button. If you press

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01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 10: a button in the council, you're likely to get a lift.

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01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 10: That is just some idiocy that from some person who's

1485
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 10: living on some other planet.

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01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: Your deputy messes you can just upscale, just.

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 9: Upside is completely wrong on that.

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 10: And she's worried about the people in her suburb. A

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 10: lot of the people in her subity actually want to

1490
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 10: build big, long apartments. So you're gonna be careful there

1491
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 10: because not everybody is again instance at all. A lot

1492
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 10: of people want things this and so it's it's very

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01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 10: expensive to do this, and we would be expending all

1494
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 10: that money on the off chance the twenty cabinet ministers,

1495
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 10: of whom ten don't even live in Auckland would decide

1496
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 10: it's okay, well we're not going to do that. We

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01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 10: might do the first part of his letter, which says

1498
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 10: that this is the way we would We'll be looking

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01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 10: at the most popular bus routes and the less popular

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 10: bus routes, the most popular trainers that this probably have some.

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01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 10: But we're not going to do the work because that's

1502
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 10: going to cost a lot of money on the off

1503
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 10: chance that they might say yes. And this is a

1504
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 10: ground that thinks they're going to put a raids cap

1505
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,560
Speaker 10: on me. Lost, mate, that's not coming. Just stop it

1506
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 10: right now.

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01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: And we're not forcing them to do wayne is to

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01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: pass the law blind, aren't you. They have no idea

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: where the intensification in the city will happen. So they

1510
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 2: pass the law and then they might it might create, it.

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 10: Might happen to be where you live, mister Seymour, and

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 10: in fact I will make sure it is.

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 6: So.

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01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: Are you trying to screw mister Simol.

1515
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 10: No, No, he's trying to screw me and there's no

1516
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 10: way that's going to happen.

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01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: But are you trying Is there something that you're trying

1518
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: to do? Are you trying to screw the scrum for

1519
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: them to make quite happy?

1520
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 10: A lot of a lot of the council actually want

1521
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 10: the maximum. This is a save the National Party thing.

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Speaker 2: Are you trying to screw the National Party?

1523
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 6: No?

1524
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 10: I'm independent and I remember of any of them what

1525
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 10: I'm trying to do is not waste money. That was

1526
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 10: a reason people voted for me. Don't do stuff that

1527
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 10: may not be even value. So we could spend millions

1528
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 10: of dollars and twenty people in Wellington ten of food

1529
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 10: and don't even live here would say, oh, we don't

1530
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 10: like that. That's got mine through.

1531
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 2: So when do we get the maps? Because surely, as

1532
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: Auckland rate payers, we at least deserve to know what's

1533
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 2: going to happen with the intensification.

1534
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 10: You're going to have intensification in places where there is

1535
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 10: all of the infrastructure and you are near a railway

1536
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 10: station and a bus station, right, Okay, that's where it's

1537
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 10: going to be. So if you're living in how don't

1538
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 10: worry because I mean, we are the people who are

1539
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 10: invest these things.

1540
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 7: Are they not just good?

1541
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 2: But is you're saying it is? We can get doctor

1542
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: Chris Knox, who works for the Herald and Wellington to

1543
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: pump out one of these maps for us. So why

1544
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 2: can't you people do it?

1545
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 10: Well, I don't believe that's true anyhow, I don't know doctor.

1546
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: Shall we see the first but which is not of

1547
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: our data? Guys pumps out the batfist you've got to

1548
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: tell Aucklanders like we have to be able to look

1549
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: at a map.

1550
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 10: It's listen here, this is do you know nothing about

1551
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 10: the reserve? About you? How you get a resource concept?

1552
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 10: It goes to independent commissioners. We've got we've all signed

1553
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 10: them up. They're booked for the next eighteen months. They're

1554
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 10: going to cost millions of dollars.

1555
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 6: Yep.

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01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 10: They will go through this and come up. There are

1557
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 10: ten thousand submissions in there now and we've spent We've

1558
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 10: got fifty five people who've only got through a third

1559
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 10: of them already.

1560
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1561
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 10: Now if we if we change the rules now, we

1562
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 10: have to go back to those people, plus anybody else's

1563
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 10: think they've got another something to say. So it is

1564
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 10: just completely ridiculous waste of money. On the off chance

1565
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 10: that a group of twenty people in Wellington, ten of

1566
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 10: whom don't live here, none of whom have ever had

1567
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 10: a resource consent in their life, well they will have

1568
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 10: the right to say yes or no. Get lost and

1569
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 10: Aucklanders will find out where these are eventually. And those

1570
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 10: people who've gotten interest have put their their ten thousand

1571
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 10: written in great long spills and about this it's very

1572
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 10: expensive I don't waste money. And those people weren't elected

1573
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 10: to make a decision about Orcan and so, and they're

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 10: all worried about being elected later this year. Whether I

1575
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 10: don't care whether they're elected later this year or not. Yeah,

1576
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 10: well I will my and my counsel will listen to Orcklanders.

1577
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 10: We will come out with a sensible, rational system based

1578
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 10: on evidence. We've got more of these things come out

1579
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 10: this year year only on the on the PC Wight

1580
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 10: and twenty later this year we get control of all

1581
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 10: Can transport. The first thing I'm going to do is

1582
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 10: a thirty year transport plan, oh lord, Wayne, And that

1583
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 10: is going to be based on common sense. And it's

1584
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 10: not going to be based on roads of National Party significance,

1585
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 10: which are there to get re elected.

1586
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: It'll be on the healthy people.

1587
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 10: Get around this.

1588
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: Don't tell me you've been fair on the National Party.

1589
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 2: I look forward. I look forward Wayne, a party.

1590
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 10: I'm not against them any more than the others.

1591
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: Our discussion, they're all awful. Okay, we're going. We're going

1592
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 2: Wayne round auckland Meer in studio with me. Quarter past six.

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1594
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talks EBB, crunching the

1595
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: numbers and getting the results.

1596
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 3: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with Maths,

1597
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 3: insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands, News Talks EDB.

1598
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: You'll get to the texts in just a minute. Eighteen

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: past six And with us now is Jeremy Hutton, Milford

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01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 2: Asset Management.

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 26: Hi, Jeremy, Hi Heaver, How you doing.

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Now, all the financial markets

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: attention has been on the Middle East. What's going on there?

1604
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: I'd imagine oil and energy prices are leading the moves

1605
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 2: across many asset classes globally.

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01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 26: Yet yeah, that's right, there are a few moving parts here.

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01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 26: But unsurprisingly, oil has shroed up aggressively over the past

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01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 26: few days. Breck crude oils up almost fifteen percent since

1609
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 26: the Iranian strikes began on the weekend. Now, this is

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 26: important for many areas of financial markets, as it does

1611
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 26: flow through into many areas. But I suppose what the

1612
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 26: markets are trying to grapple with at the moment is

1613
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 26: how long this disruption in energy delivery is going to be.

1614
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 26: And I suppose that's really important for global inflation and

1615
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 26: for how long we could have a little spike up

1616
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 26: of inflation. And we know the straight up moves by

1617
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 26: Iran that carries about twenty percent of the world's daily

1618
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 26: oil supply, And if this stays closed or impacted for

1619
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 26: a while, then we could get some persistent higher inflation.

1620
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 26: We'll get higher costs flowing through into economies, and central

1621
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 26: banks may have to increase interest rates and response to this.

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01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 26: And this could happen at a time where economic activity

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 26: is falling. And that's what the market fares is a

1624
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 26: slightly ugly stakeflationary environment. Now Iran they've declared the straight closed.

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01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 26: You know, Trump was trying very hard this morning to

1626
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 26: reassure markets and reopen it. But I think many countries

1627
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 26: around the world will want this energy flow to continue

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01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 26: pretty soon.

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: So how have the major market indicy has been faring

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01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: so far?

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 26: At a headline level in the US markets, the SMP

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01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 26: five hundred and NASDAK, they've both opened down around one percent,

1633
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 26: which doesn't seem like much given the situation. But below

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 26: the surface in certain sectors there's been some huge shifts

1635
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 26: and a lot of volatility. But I suppose the mood

1636
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 26: has generally been very risk off. Some of the economically

1637
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 26: sensitive sectors like airlines, travel tourism unsurprisingly has been hit.

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01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 26: Commodities that are linked to economic growth have also fallen.

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 26: The US staller. There's been plenty of discussion on this,

1640
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 26: but at the moment, it's still acting as we expected

1641
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 26: it as a safe haven, and gold is probably the

1642
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 26: most interesting one. I mean, this is down sharply. Normally

1643
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 26: gold would be up in an event like this, but

1644
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 26: I suppose it's given how hot it's been, how much

1645
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 26: positioning and risk has moved into gold, it's actually moved

1646
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 26: the other way.

1647
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 2: In this risk of environment, I see the European and

1648
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: the Asian markets are getting hit a lot harder.

1649
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 26: Yeah, this is arguably the story that markets are a

1650
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 26: little bit more concerned about. I mean, the European and

1651
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 26: Japanese main indexes they're both down of five percent, and

1652
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 26: Korea that's down around seven percent. And again this is

1653
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 26: linked to energy and the flow of LNG and gas

1654
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 26: this time. But it does show that how reliant these

1655
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 26: countries are on Middle Eastern energy, and a lot more

1656
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 26: so than the US. You're seeing spot gas prices in

1657
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 26: Europe rise very sharply, and this is sort of reminiscent

1658
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 26: of the of the Russia Ukraine crisis in twenty twenty two,

1659
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 26: and then Japan and Korea. You know, they've got some

1660
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 26: very valuable industrial and chip production that relies on the

1661
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 26: flow of this Middle Eastern gas. So investors will get

1662
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 26: a little bit more nervous on these markets if disruption

1663
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 26: continues for an extended period of time.

1664
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 2: Jeremy, can we quick run down on how we're doing

1665
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: here on the INSIDEX.

1666
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 26: Yeah, Insiet's been a little holding up reasonly well, but

1667
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 26: it is still down one and a half percent over

1668
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 26: the past few days, and travel stocks are leaving the

1669
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 26: falls like Circo and tourism holdings I'm in. In fact,

1670
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 26: there are only a few companies in the green so

1671
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 26: far this month or over the last few days. So yes,

1672
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 26: the Inside X under a bit of pressure as well.

1673
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: Good stuff, mate, Good to talk to you, Thank you,

1674
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. Hither you gotta love Wayne's

1675
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 2: straight talking, no bs attitude. We need more politicians like him.

1676
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: Omg are moving to christ Church. Wayne Brown is such

1677
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 2: a grumpy old man. Even when he agrees with you,

1678
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 2: he will find a reason to disagree. Wayne Brown sounded

1679
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 2: more unhinged by the day. The largest city in the

1680
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: country needs to grow. I love him, though, here the

1681
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 2: why the heck in this day and age, are we

1682
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: not using AI to work through the ten thousand submissions

1683
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: rather than higher ten people than mind boggles? Wayne Brown

1684
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 2: won nimbi zero. I'm voting for Wayne to run Hawks Bay.

1685
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: Please bravo to Auckland's mayor. Here the Wayne Brown is right.

1686
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: I voted for him to deliver valley for Auckland, as

1687
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear he's pushing it back against the

1688
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: government who don't seem to know what they want for Auckland.

1689
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: Feels like they vote buying. So hither can my neighbor

1690
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: build six stories in Brown's Bay suburbs or not? I

1691
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: don't know. Do you know, Wayne NaNs? We'll have to

1692
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: wait for them, wait for the maps and the maps

1693
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 2: that aren't coming. Six twenty three, whether it's.

1694
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: Macro micro or just plain economics, it's all on the

1695
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: Business hour with head the Dupicila and MAS.

1696
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 3: Insurance and investments, Your futures in good hands. News talks Vy.

1697
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: If you've been following what's going on with the Reserve

1698
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 2: Bank in this business about getting the retail banks to

1699
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 2: potentially open thousands of new ATMs and places to withdraw

1700
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: cash across the country. I think this may. I have

1701
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: a feeling that the bat Reserve Bank's going to have

1702
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 2: to back down on this, well, at least to some extent.

1703
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't think they can push it through in the

1704
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: way that they are. It's already going kind of a

1705
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: bit pear shape for them. The Reserve Bank Governor Anna

1706
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: Bremen has accepted they didn't give the banking sector enough notice,

1707
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 2: has pledged to do better. May yet extend the window

1708
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: for submissions. And this is after the banks complained that

1709
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 2: they were blind sided and rattled and caught on the

1710
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: hop by potentially how massive this is, and it is massive.

1711
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 2: It's going to add about one hundred and four million

1712
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: dollars annually to their cost. So I reckon that's going

1713
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: to have to come back quite a lot. Six twenty six.

1714
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

1715
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 2: So Ryan Gosling is currently on the press circuit for

1716
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 2: his new film project, which is Hail Mary. It's about

1717
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: a school teacher who wakes up alone on a spaceship

1718
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: light years from Earth with no clue how he got there.

1719
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 2: He's being interviewed on the press circuit by a reporter

1720
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 2: who actually ended up in his own version of a

1721
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: hail Mary w FLDTV reporter Jake Hamilton was heading back

1722
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: from a tour of the Grand Canyon to interview Gosling

1723
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 2: when his bus broke down in the middle of the desert,

1724
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: and instead of missing his slot with the A lister,

1725
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 2: he whipped out the tech. He did the interview roadside,

1726
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 2: stranded in the desert?

1727
01:20:59,160 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 3: Are you in a hawk?

1728
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 23: You know this is amazing and this is not I

1729
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 23: don't want you to be stranded, but this is the

1730
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 23: production value.

1731
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 6: On this weirdly kind of works for the movie.

1732
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 19: Do you technically need to have a permit to shoot there?

1733
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: So he tried to keep things professional puvoting back to

1734
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: questions about the actual interview, which is the film, but

1735
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 2: Gosling was far more interested than the fact that the

1736
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: interviewer appeared to be fighting for survival.

1737
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 3: How are the.

1738
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 6: Acting experiences different for you?

1739
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 3: Do you have help on the way.

1740
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 15: It's gonna be about an hour, so I don't know

1741
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 15: how long you got to talk to me, but I've

1742
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 15: got about an hour.

1743
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 3: Hold on let's just first first things first.

1744
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 7: Do you have water?

1745
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 3: We have water.

1746
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 5: We do have water.

1747
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: Are you staying hydrated?

1748
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 15: We are staying hydrated in the middle of the desert.

1749
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 2: Yes, the edited interview actually did make it online in

1750
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: the end, so we can safely assume that Jake was

1751
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: rescued from the desert and did not become part of

1752
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: the sequel. But it raises a question, doesn't it. Well,

1753
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: the hell are you doing booking a grand Canyon to

1754
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: it before a big work meeting and then potentially missing it, Heather.

1755
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 2: I think Wayne Brown was very clear that brain Brown's

1756
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: Bay has no train station, no good bus station, so

1757
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 2: there will be no intensification there. So I mean that's

1758
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for paying attention.

1759
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:13,560
Speaker 16: I was.

1760
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm a visual person who's going to look at a

1761
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: matt but you're obviously audio. Audio is your thing, so

1762
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: you picked up on that.

1763
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 6: Well done.

1764
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: In fact, if you could come in for the next

1765
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: interview that we have with Wayne Brown, just interpret everything

1766
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: that happens so we can all understand what the hell

1767
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: just happened to us. G Native Train is with us next.

1768
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 7: I'm just chan.

1769
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 3: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour

1770
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 3: with header, duper cl and mass insurance and investments, your

1771
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 3: futures in good hands, used talks. I'd be.

1772
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 16: So.

1773
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: I'll give you.

1774
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 16: That.

1775
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 2: Wayne Brown made me gut wrenching laugh. It's the first

1776
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: time in as an Auckland I will continue to vote

1777
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: for him. You still live in Wellington too. That lot

1778
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: could never make me laugh. I'm a duchy. The expression

1779
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: of spade is a spade with us, then becomes a

1780
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: spade as a shovel, then a digger, then a bulldoze

1781
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: away and as a digger. Love it wealth. You can't

1782
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: accuse him, You can't say you don't know where you

1783
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: stand with Wayne Brown anyway in Debray, what am I

1784
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: talking about?

1785
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 14: That?

1786
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: It's not in this day. It's Gavin's day. Gavin's going

1787
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: to be with us because the sledging that Trump is

1788
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 2: Trump is just Trump is one hundred percent old school

1789
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: back in the back in the school yard bullying Kiir

1790
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 2: Starmer at the moment he's accused him of basically not

1791
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: being Winston Churchill, which I think is not a shock

1792
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 2: to anyone. Gavin will talk us through just what is

1793
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: going on here with a relationship between the two of them.

1794
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: When he's with us in ten minutes. It's twenty three

1795
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 2: away from seven.

1796
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 3: Together to see allen.

1797
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 2: So, a record portion of new banking bank lending to

1798
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: first home buyers is going to people with small deposits,

1799
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: and this is thanks to looser lending rules from the

1800
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank. Jane Tibstraaney, the Herald's Wellington business editor, is

1801
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: with us on this. Hijiena hi Heaven give me the numbers.

1802
01:23:59,560 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 9: All right.

1803
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 24: So in January, banks lend one point one billion dollars

1804
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,839
Speaker 24: to first home buyers. Of that one point one billion,

1805
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,959
Speaker 24: fifty seven percent went to first home buyers with deposits

1806
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 24: of less than twenty percent. So that fifty seven percent,

1807
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 24: more than half of new lending to first home buyers

1808
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 24: went to borrows with relatively small deposits. Now, you know,

1809
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 24: deposit of fifteen percent is not alarming, but that portion

1810
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 24: is definitely, you know, higher than it's ever been in

1811
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 24: the past. So, you know, people who have tried to

1812
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 24: get a mortgage will be aware that the Reserve Bank

1813
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 24: composes these LVR restrictions on banks. You know, the Reserve

1814
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 24: Bank doesn't want banks to lean too much to people

1815
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 24: with small deposits. It's trying to protect banks from themselves.

1816
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 24: But you know, first home buyers, it would appear, have

1817
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 24: been trying to make the most of the low interest rates,

1818
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,879
Speaker 24: flat house price growth, attractive cash backs offered by banks,

1819
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 24: and slightly looser LVR restrictions currently imposed by the Reserve Bank.

1820
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 2: Does feel a little bit like, you know, it has

1821
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: been the story that first home buyers have been dominating

1822
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: all like a significant force in the property market for

1823
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: so long. Now it does feel like the new normal,

1824
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: doesn't it.

1825
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1826
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 24: Look, I mean they've definitely been prominent, I think probably

1827
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:27,839
Speaker 24: since the end of the Labor Party's time and government,

1828
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 24: because you know, the interest deductibility rules put investors off.

1829
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 24: You know, Labor stopped investors from deducting all of their

1830
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 24: interests and expense. The bright line test was taken to

1831
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 24: ten years, which which really did make it like a

1832
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 24: capital gains tax. And also the Reserve Bank composed really

1833
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 24: strong LVR and debt to income restrictions on investors, so

1834
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 24: I think that put them out, and then of course

1835
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 24: the high interest rates that didn't help. So you know,

1836
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 24: it has made way for both first time buyers, I

1837
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 24: must say, Yeah, if you just look at the bank

1838
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 24: lending figures as some of us do look at them

1839
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 24: quite a lot. You know, investors have pulled back a lot,

1840
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 24: and during times where the property market has been hot,

1841
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 24: you know, they were taking out a lot of debt

1842
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 24: and you know, small deposits and lots of debt compared

1843
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 24: to the incomes. That's totally changed.

1844
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: Now, will you take on this, because I know you've

1845
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 2: been covering it, looking at the scale of what the

1846
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank is wanting from retail banks with the cash

1847
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,759
Speaker 2: access business, the cash access plan, looking at the reaction

1848
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: from the retail banks, and then the admission today from

1849
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: the Governor that they had maybe actually not done this

1850
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 2: quite the right way. I'm putting these things together and

1851
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 2: I'm thinking the Reserve Bank's going to have to scale

1852
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 2: back what it's proposed.

1853
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 24: What do you think I definitely think so. So we

1854
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 24: discussed this last week, I think it was on the show.

1855
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 24: The Reserve Bank is proposing to require banks to set

1856
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 24: up about one three hundred new banking hubs. So those

1857
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 24: are ones where all the banks team up and they

1858
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 24: let you take money out and let you also deposit money. Now,

1859
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 24: currently there are five of those hubs. Five the Reserve

1860
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 24: Bank wants one thousand, three hundred and wants people to

1861
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 24: be able to use those for free. You know, that's

1862
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 24: a pretty hefty proposal, and as we talked about, I

1863
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 24: think there's clearly a problem people don't have enough access

1864
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 24: to cash services. It's not just taking cash out, but

1865
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 24: it's if you have a business, it's being able to

1866
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 24: go to the bank easily or go somewhere easily and

1867
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 24: deposit your money. But the first question I asked the

1868
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 24: Reserve Bank on this last week was is your proposed

1869
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 24: response proportionate one than three hundred? Does sound like a

1870
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 24: lot of banking hubs? The Reserve Bank said, if they

1871
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,839
Speaker 24: don't do banking hubs, maybe if they just do ATMs,

1872
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 24: it would need like three thousand more three thousand. I

1873
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 24: feel like they're going to have to scale it back

1874
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 24: in terms of the bank's responses. I talked to kV

1875
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 24: Bank's chief executive, Steve Yukovic, and he said, you know,

1876
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 24: the bankers they had lunch with the Reserve Bank the

1877
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 24: day before it released its plan, and the Reserve Bank

1878
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 24: didn't say anything about the plans, so they felt blindsided.

1879
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 24: I don't think, you know, probably not too much love

1880
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,560
Speaker 24: will be lost for the banks.

1881
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 9: They'll be all right.

1882
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: No, they're tough enough, they'll be fine.

1883
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 24: But you do need to have a proportionate response to

1884
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 24: a problem.

1885
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 2: Too, right, Hey, listen, thank you very much. As always,

1886
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Janative Trainey, the Herald's Wellington Business Editor.

1887
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 2: No love will be lost with the banks, but we're

1888
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 2: all paying for it in the end. Now, the pole

1889
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: and the billionaires I need to run you through. So

1890
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,520
Speaker 2: this pole has come from Talbot Mills. It's been commissioned

1891
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 2: by the Well Being Economy Alliance outs HET or let

1892
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 2: me try that again, well Being Economy Alliance outs HEAT.

1893
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 2: What's his name, Gareth Gareth Hughes from the Greens, formerly

1894
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: of the Greens, who's sometimes on the huddle. This is

1895
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: the lot that he runs. Now, the pole basically gives

1896
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: you the usual stuff you would expect. Sixty eight percent

1897
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: of New Zealanders support billionaires being taxed more to fund

1898
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: public goods like healthcare, housing and climate action. Because of

1899
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: course we do like if you say will you will

1900
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: you tax the billionaire and there'll be no repercussions. But

1901
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: you're able to build a new hospital, of course we'd

1902
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 2: all say yes. But then there's the weird stuff that

1903
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 2: crops up in this pole that I can't quite explain. Apparently,

1904
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: thirty seven percent of us are in favor of introducing

1905
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: a cap of a billion dollars and no person is

1906
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: allowed to hold any more than that legally, How the

1907
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 2: hell would that work?

1908
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 5: Like?

1909
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 4: Have you thought it?

1910
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 5: Like?

1911
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 6: What?

1912
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 2: Who thought? First? Of all? Who came up with that

1913
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 2: dumb question? Was like, yeah, no, no one single, no

1914
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 2: single person in this country it's allowed to own more

1915
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: than a billion dollars. Who came up with that? You

1916
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: should check yourself? But then also, how's that gonna work?

1917
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Are you gonna go to ASBN?

1918
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 2: You can say, okay, listen, nobody's allowed to have more

1919
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: than a billion dollars in their account. So if they

1920
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 2: if they happen to earn any more than that, like

1921
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: if Granny gives them another twenty dollars, because that's what

1922
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: she still does, it's got a ping out of their

1923
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 2: account and it's got to go somewhere Elsehere's it gonna go?

1924
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 2: Which accounts are going to ping to? Is it gonna

1925
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: ping to the government account? Is that how it's gonna work?

1926
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 2: This mental you think they're going to stay in New Zealand. No,

1927
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 2: they're not. First of all, I mean, that's not going

1928
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 2: to happen because it's mental. But if it did, and

1929
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 2: if we survive being the laughing stock of the world,

1930
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: they're all leaving, aren't they, including the rest of us

1931
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: who spy at it one day and our dreams earn

1932
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: a billion dollars. This one takes the cake. Though half

1933
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 2: of New Zealanders agree that billionaires shouldn't exist. We've lost

1934
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 2: the plot. We've completely lost the plot. Sixteen away from seven, Well.

1935
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 3: What ever's to do with money? It matters to you?

1936
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 3: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas Insurance

1937
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 3: and investments and your futures in good hands, News Talks,

1938
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 3: I'd be.

1939
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 2: Hey, I've got some fantastic news for you. Remember the

1940
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 2: couple who found the money in the roof of their house.

1941
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 2: They are allowed to keep forty thousand dollars at the

1942
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: High Courters just ruled to give you. I'll give you

1943
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: the rest of it when I get a chance in

1944
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,560
Speaker 2: a minute. Right now, it's thirteen away from seven and

1945
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, our UK correspondence with us. Hello, Gavin either

1946
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 2: So the forces are going to Cyprus.

1947
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 6: Are they.

1948
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 27: Yes, But some are saying that far too little and

1949
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 27: far too late, bearing in mind that most people thought

1950
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 27: some thing was up when America started to move its

1951
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Speaker 27: forces into position. The UK is to send a ship,

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Speaker 27: but it's not likely to be there for several days. Instead,

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Speaker 27: and in addition to the French and the Greeks are

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Speaker 27: sending protection to Cypress.

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Speaker 5: Now Cypress, of course.

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Speaker 27: Within the EU an outlier in terms of its geography,

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Speaker 27: never thought that it was going to get drawn into

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Speaker 27: action on Iran, but that's exactly what's happened with a

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Speaker 27: number of drone attacks, particularly on the British raf base

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Speaker 27: on the island. And now we're in the situation that

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Speaker 27: the UK sending a tight forty five destroyer with counter

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Speaker 27: drone capabilities, but it's been in doc along with other

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Speaker 27: ships being mended, and some are just saying that this

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Speaker 27: is a sign that the defense forces here in the

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Speaker 27: UK are simply not up to the job. The French

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Speaker 27: President has confirmed that a frigate, the Long Dock, will

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Speaker 27: arrive in Cypress in just a short while, and Greece

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Speaker 27: has already agreed to send four F sixteen to five

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Speaker 27: to jets and two frigates, which is equipped with an

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Speaker 27: anti drone system that the Greeks use called Centaurus. So

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Speaker 27: big levels of accusation here that the UK government has

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Speaker 27: allowed our defense sector and our defense armed forces to

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Speaker 27: absolutely fall into some kind of disrepair.

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Speaker 2: And so is there also a repatriation flight out of

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Speaker 2: the Middle East now?

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Speaker 27: Yes, So it is estimated three hundred thousand Britons are

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Speaker 27: in the Gulf. Around one hundred and thirty thousand of

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Speaker 27: them nearly half have registered with the UK government to

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Speaker 27: say we are here and we might be interested in

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Speaker 27: getting out now. Obviously, those who were trapped on holiday

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Speaker 27: are desperate to get home. Those who live out there

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Speaker 27: as expats probably thinking well, maybe it is time to

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Speaker 27: go and maybe we're going to stay. But either way,

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Speaker 27: the UK government has now charted at repatriate and repatriation

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Speaker 27: flight that is the first specifically arranged by the government.

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Speaker 27: It's scheduled to leave Oman or Muscad International Airport in

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Speaker 27: roughly fourteen hours time, and it's going to prioritize the

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Speaker 27: most vulnerable first, that's British nationals. Their spouse and partner

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Speaker 27: and their children under the age of eighteen will all

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Speaker 27: be eligible. There are big calls though from others on

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Speaker 27: social media, British experts saying you need to do more.

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Speaker 27: We have no information coming through. We need to know

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Speaker 27: what's going on. Having said that, British Airways has announced

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Speaker 27: it is going to operate one commercial flight from Muscat

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Speaker 27: today and other airlines are said to be looking at

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Speaker 27: restarting up timetables, but only when the skies are safe

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Speaker 27: to do.

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Speaker 2: So okay, So Trump and his niggle saying to reporters

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Speaker 2: that Sir Kistama is no Winston Churchill. Do you think

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Speaker 2: that will land with Kiostarma? Is this something that's going

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Speaker 2: to sting?

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Speaker 14: I think it is.

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Speaker 27: Yes, I think it is. And I think it's also

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Speaker 27: a sign that perhaps UK US relations are at the

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Speaker 27: lowest leap for some considerable time. Sekre his decision not

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Speaker 27: to allow American forces to use British bases to take off,

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Speaker 27: said a god into Trump that it made the journeys

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Speaker 27: much much longer for their pilots. He said it was

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Speaker 27: a shocking decision and he said this is not Winston

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Speaker 27: church Or we're dealing with. He said he was very surprised,

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Speaker 27: and he said it was not happy with the UK

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Speaker 27: as it led to those US planes flying many extra hours. Incidentally,

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Speaker 27: it isn't the UK that's at the bottom of his

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Speaker 27: favorite table at the moment, Spain as well. Indeed, it's

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Speaker 27: so bad with Spain that the relationship are sunk to

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Speaker 27: new Lows saying that Spain had been terrible and then

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Speaker 27: suggested that quote, we're going to cut off all trade.

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Speaker 27: We don't want anything to do with Spain. Why well,

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Speaker 27: because again Spain wouldn't allow any military basis to be

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Speaker 27: part of the operation in Iran. And also the Spanish

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Speaker 27: government has refused to increase its defense spending to five

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Speaker 27: percent of gross domestic product, in contrast to many other

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Speaker 27: European countries that have acquiesced to Donald trum demands.

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Speaker 2: Gavin, thank you very much, as always, the talk to

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Speaker 2: you in a couple of days, Gavin Gray are UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: So the couple who found the money, so there was

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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty two thousand dollars that they found

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Speaker 2: in the roof of the house when they wanted to

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Speaker 2: do some electrical work. They will now be a call.

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Speaker 2: Remember the police wanted to keep it all and want

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Speaker 2: to give them none of it. The High Court has

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Speaker 2: now said they have to be given forty thousand of

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Speaker 2: it and then the Crown can keep the rest of it.

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Speaker 2: They are completely innocent, said the judge, But for their

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Speaker 2: locating the cash in the first place and then handing

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Speaker 2: it in there would be no cash available to the crown.

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Speaker 2: As in, like, you've got to incentivize people, right. If

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Speaker 2: people find the cash, they have to at least know

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Speaker 2: they can keep some of it, otherwise they're going to

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Speaker 2: keep all of it. Also, turns out they had incurred

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Speaker 2: the cost of alterations to their home as a direct

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Speaker 2: consequence of the discovery of the cash. So surely, surely

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Speaker 2: if they find the cash and then there's stuff done

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Speaker 2: to their house that they now have to pay for,

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Speaker 2: surely they should get something. Seems only fair. Eight away

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Speaker 2: from seven, it's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio by newstalg ZB.

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Speaker 2: Hither these lunatics who think billionaires shouldn't exist are probably

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01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 2: contributing to the billionaires wealth because most of the new

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01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 2: billionaires exist because their products that they produce are popular

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01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: with the same group of anties. They're simply being rewarded

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Speaker 2: for their innovation and entrepreneurship. Best James Love the way

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Speaker 2: you think now. Economists here in New Zealand have put

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Speaker 2: some numbers behind what they reckon the Iran conflict could

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01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: mean for us in terms of cost and our fragile

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01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 2: economic recovery and whatnot. I'm going to rang you through

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Speaker 2: them really quickly. A and Z reckons if the price

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Speaker 2: of oil is up ten percent for a sustained period,

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Speaker 2: inflation for the quarter could go up as much as

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Speaker 2: zero point two percentage points. Remember it's already sitting outside

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Speaker 2: the band at three point one, so that's problematic. Westpac's

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Speaker 2: got three different scenarios. If only and this is the least,

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Speaker 2: If only Iranian oil production is affected and it hits

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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars a barrel, inflation goes up one percentage point.

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Speaker 2: GDP drops by zero point four. If it's bigger and

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Speaker 2: shipping through the Strait of her Moors was effected for

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Speaker 2: up to a month, oil goes to one one three

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Speaker 2: As one hundred and thirteen dollars per per barrel, inflation

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Speaker 2: is up by around one point six percentage points, lowers

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Speaker 2: GDP by half a percentage point. And if it's even worse,

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Speaker 2: if the strait is closed for three or more months.

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Speaker 2: Oil rises to one hundred and eighty five dollars per barrel,

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Speaker 2: Inflation goes up three points, lowers GDP by around zero

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Speaker 2: point seven points, So here's hoping for a quick resolution.

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Speaker 19: Adds One Stop by Aldus Harding to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 19: This is brand spanking new from Oldus Harding. She has

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Speaker 19: got an album that is going to be coming out

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Speaker 19: as well on maybe eighth. The album is going to

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Speaker 19: be called Train on the Island. This song is called

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Speaker 19: one Stop. If you're into Aldus Harding's music videos in

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01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 19: the past, you'll like the music video for this one

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Speaker 19: as well because it's basically her just dancing around and

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Speaker 19: Pitchfork have called it a some sort of giant metal tub.

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Speaker 19: It looked like a skate ram to me. But yes,

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Speaker 19: this is pretty par for the course of it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: she dances around in a weird space and things a

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01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 19: weird song?

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Speaker 2: Is it a weird song?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 19: I mean, I suppose not that weird.

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Speaker 2: We'll wait for the singing.

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Speaker 19: Well, I mean, was there gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Weird?

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01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 2: That's a bit weird? Pop quiz, what's the connection to

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Speaker 2: Marlon Williams?

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Speaker 19: I didn't east to date that's right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look at you. You know we Brithday. Oh it's

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Speaker 2: a bit weird. No, I think I might quite like this.

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Speaker 19: I don't everything. I think Jamie Joseid was gonna be

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Speaker 19: a West coach as well as a.

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Speaker 2: Honest Oh, you've been listening to his double Ellen Driver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you stop it then see tomorrow.

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