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Speaker 1: Infrastructure New Zealand. You can't make. You can't make the

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Speaker 1: past week up between the planes that don't work, the

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Speaker 1: pylons that fall over, and now the ferries you can't steer.

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Speaker 1: This country looks awfully third world, doesn't it. Infrastructure New

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Speaker 1: Zealand's Michelle and mccormicks with us on all of this. Michelle,

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Speaker 1: good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Mite.

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Speaker 1: Do you find it embarrassing extremely?

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Speaker 2: I think it's terrible for New Zealand's reputation, and you

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Speaker 2: know it's not just the ferry, the airplane and we

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Speaker 2: will take problems with our metrorail network as well as

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Speaker 2: the last week. Yeah, I'm hugely concerning.

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Speaker 1: How bad do you reckon it is? If you peel

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Speaker 1: back and just look top down, how bad shape are

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Speaker 1: we in?

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Speaker 2: I think it's right across our infrastructure sectors, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's really symptomatic of our ongoing in for decades,

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Speaker 2: lack of investment in maintenance. Infrastructure commissions. You know, their

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Speaker 2: latest report said that we should be spending sixty percent

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Speaker 2: of our infrastructure investment on maintenance. It's not politically that exciting,

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Speaker 2: but we need to be doing it. We need to

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Speaker 2: actually maintain what we have, and I mean in terms

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Speaker 2: of could have been worth absolutely those theories. You know,

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Speaker 2: both situations could have ended up in loss of life,

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Speaker 2: huge environmental damage. It's yeah, usually worrying.

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Speaker 1: I've suggested, and I'm interested to see whether you agree

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Speaker 1: it's got so bad at least we're now going to

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Speaker 1: do something about it. I assume, yep, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree, I hope so. And it's good to hear that

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Speaker 2: they're meeting to discuss the furies and they have the

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Speaker 2: advisory report that ongoing switting the assets is really coming

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Speaker 2: home to roost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you do, when you say you've got individual problems,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't blame the Air Force because they

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Speaker 1: don't get the money, so, but you can blame key

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Speaker 1: we Rail because they don't seem up to much. So

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Speaker 1: you've got individual sets of circumstances. Then if somebody wants

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Speaker 1: to stand on a hillside in the middle of Northland

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Speaker 1: unbolted thing and it falls over, that's not really infrastructural investment,

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Speaker 1: is it. That's just sort of kind of idiocy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe a lack of skills and knowledge our

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Speaker 2: set management has interverely leaking. Do we have the capability

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Speaker 2: and do we have the work force capacity to actually

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Speaker 2: really support what we have.

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Speaker 1: All of these are very good questions. Are you remotely

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Speaker 1: confident that if we applied ourselves today and said enough's enough,

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Speaker 1: we've got to get our act together, we can.

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Speaker 2: I think we can get on the path to doing that,

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Speaker 2: but it's not going to happen overnight. It really needs

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Speaker 2: a focus, concentrated, ongoing effort and not just jumping at

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Speaker 2: the latest shiny piece of equipment. We actually really need

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Speaker 2: to change our whole culture.

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Speaker 1: Well, said Michelle. Appreciate it, Michelle mcormick, who's with the infrastructure

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand.

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