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Speaker 3: Well, a very good morning, good welcome along to the
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Speaker 3: me the Resident Builder, and we are here to talk
Speaker 3: about all things building and construction. So if you've got
Speaker 3: a project that's underway that well, maybe it's not going
Speaker 3: quite as you would have expected it, or perhaps rather
Speaker 3: than encounter problems, you're thinking, I'll do a bit more
Speaker 3: planning beforehand, and to be fair, nobody ever regrets a
Speaker 3: good bit of planning before launching into a project. Or
Speaker 3: perhaps you are you've done something and it hasn't worked
Speaker 3: out quite as you expected. Maybe it's issues around trying
Speaker 3: to find the right trades people to help out with
Speaker 3: the task, selecting materials, which is always a bit of
Speaker 3: an issue. And then there's always the rules and the
Speaker 3: regulations that surround building and construction in New Zealand as well.
Speaker 3: All of these things are on the table today. Maybe
Speaker 3: like you, you actually made the kitchen table. We can
Speaker 3: talk about that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Texts is up and running
Speaker 3: nine two nine two, and email is up and running
Speaker 3: as well. Pete at newstalksb dot co dot z. So
Speaker 3: I trust that you had a good week. Certainly we had.
Speaker 3: I wonder whether it's time for the meteorologists or the
Speaker 3: reporting of the media orol just to stop talking about
Speaker 3: weather bombs. You know, we'd like to make those a
Speaker 3: special occasion or an unusual occasion, not just it's raining today,
Speaker 3: so it's weather bomb. And I was thinking about that
Speaker 3: because you know a little bit of you know, fourth warning,
Speaker 3: let's say, allowed me to go round outside and just
Speaker 3: have a look at drainage, make sure that gully traps
Speaker 3: weren't overflowing, that the downpipes are still properly connected. I've
Speaker 3: got a couple of ideal a bit of rainwater harvesting.
Speaker 3: I've got a Bailey slim gym tank tucked in behind
Speaker 3: the shed. I don't really need to irrigate the garden
Speaker 3: at this time of year, so what I tend to
Speaker 3: do is, knowing that there's wet weather coming, I released
Speaker 3: the water from there back into the council system. So
Speaker 3: I'll drain the tank, which means that when that first
Speaker 3: bit of rain comes, it's taken up by the tank.
Speaker 3: I freshened up the water that's in there. But also
Speaker 3: that I it allows me then well, I think it's
Speaker 3: a way of contributing to not having massive amounts of
Speaker 3: water going into the stormwater system every time it rains,
Speaker 3: if you can contain some of it that initial deluge.
Speaker 3: And I was driving, as I pointed out to my son,
Speaker 3: we were driving yesterday. You know, it hadn't rained for
Speaker 3: like four or five hours and or probably even more yesterday,
Speaker 3: and the curbs were still full of water. So that
Speaker 3: whole curb discharge where maybe people have got detention tanks
Speaker 3: on their property, and the way the detention tank works
Speaker 3: is maybe you've got five thousand leter capacity tucked under
Speaker 3: the driveway or something like that. On a new build
Speaker 3: that will fit up, and then there'll be an outlet
Speaker 3: about a seventeen mil outlet at the bottom, and that
Speaker 3: will discharge into the stormwater system into the public line
Speaker 3: for as long as it takes to drain that tank
Speaker 3: back down to that level. And so it's not uncommon
Speaker 3: now to be driving well after the rain has finished
Speaker 3: and see stormwater discharge coming out, particularly if it's a
Speaker 3: curb discharge where you can see it obviously for some
Speaker 3: hours to come after the rainfall. And that's those systems
Speaker 3: working quite well. So, and but what happens when it
Speaker 3: doesn't work well? And I'll tell you about a job
Speaker 3: that I went to have a look at this week.
Speaker 3: Every now and then I go to look at a job,
Speaker 3: partly in the hope that I'm going to be helpful
Speaker 3: and provide a helpful solution, but also because I'm curious
Speaker 3: to see what the actual issues are. So what the
Speaker 3: challenges are. Anyway, this was a basement one. It's a
Speaker 3: sort of question that we get a fair amount. Hey,
Speaker 3: I've got water coming into the basement. What can I
Speaker 3: do about it? So I'll tell you a little bit
Speaker 3: about that particular job later on in the hour. Oh
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Speaker 3: That'd be a couple of texts have come in. First one,
Speaker 3: people are still going on about song. I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm changing it, put it that way. The other one
Speaker 3: that came in and in preparing for the show, I
Speaker 3: was talking with Bevin, my producer this morning, and I
Speaker 3: was saying, look, I've noticed that over the last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks, I've sort of moved into talking a little
Speaker 3: bit around I guess the politics and the legislation around building,
Speaker 3: because it is such a political topic at the moment,
Speaker 3: and I think cast your mind back for the last
Speaker 3: couple of years, I don't know that sort of building legislation,
Speaker 3: building rules, building regulations has actually had as much coverage
Speaker 3: in the media as it has over the last couple
Speaker 3: of months, effectively ever since the coalition government took the
Speaker 3: reins of power and started to look at how we
Speaker 3: construct things housing affordability, housing supply, etc.
Speaker 6: Etc.
Speaker 3: And so I personally it's something that I'm particularly interested in.
Speaker 3: I think it does have an impact on us, and
Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks on the show, I'm
Speaker 3: just being really honest with you, I've sort of gone, actually,
Speaker 3: it's something that we should talk about, and a lot
Speaker 3: of our conversation is headed that way. And then I
Speaker 3: was driving around thinking this week as I do, thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: I wonder if I should sort of change tack a
Speaker 3: little bit and go, let's go back to sort of
Speaker 3: the more fix it type issues on the show. And
Speaker 3: so you know this basement job that I went to
Speaker 3: have a look at this week where there was literally
Speaker 3: water percolating out of the slab and heavy rain, with
Speaker 3: the homeowners going what can we do? And partly where
Speaker 3: can we get some independent advice? And what can we
Speaker 3: do about it? And what are the solutions, what are
Speaker 3: the range of options around it, what's causing it? And
Speaker 3: then how can we fix it? That's the classic sort
Speaker 3: of part of this program. What's the problem, how can
Speaker 3: we fix it? What are some of the options? And
Speaker 3: I love talking about that, And so I was saying
Speaker 3: to just a couple of minutes before coming on here,
Speaker 3: so I feel that maybe I've headed too far down
Speaker 3: the political regular tree sort of stuff. I want to
Speaker 3: swing the topic back towards literally sort of hammer and
Speaker 3: nails type stuff. And first text up, well, second one actually,
Speaker 3: apart from the one about the song Pete, what do
Speaker 3: you think of Chris Penk's proposal to ease up on
Speaker 3: the h and insulation mandates for new builds. Gavin from Canterbury,
Speaker 3: Thank you, Gavin. I'm more than happy to talk about
Speaker 3: that as well. In fact, I've printed off a couple
Speaker 3: of I have been talking about it with other people,
Speaker 3: let's say, in the sector, people that I know, over
Speaker 3: the last week or so, and certainly, like I say
Speaker 3: at the beginning of this, so I saying, I don't
Speaker 3: think there's been a time in the last couple of
Speaker 3: years where building has been as political as it is
Speaker 3: right now, with a new minister being Chris Penk, coming
Speaker 3: in and saying, you know, I want to know what's
Speaker 3: going on and I'm happy to make changes, and they've
Speaker 3: already started to do that. So last week they announced
Speaker 3: that they wanted to make remote inspections basically the default
Speaker 3: position forcls. Now, that's actually a significant change in the
Speaker 3: way that inspections are run. I know that many many
Speaker 3: councils around the country already do remote inspections, but I
Speaker 3: would challenge anyone who said it's the default situation. All
Speaker 3: of the inspections that I've ever been part of typically
Speaker 3: you're waiting for the building inspector to turn up. And
Speaker 3: so there's been some interesting pushback on that as well,
Speaker 3: including industry organizations going well, unfortunately, we know that there
Speaker 3: are shonky builders out there, and if it's only going
Speaker 3: if inspections are only going to be done by remote access,
Speaker 3: I literally it's a way of the inspector with some
Speaker 3: software being able to access the camera on your phone
Speaker 3: and see and direct you to show them certain items
Speaker 3: that they want to inspect. But it means they don't
Speaker 3: have to be on site, which is arguably more efficient,
Speaker 3: but I think it also means that they don't get
Speaker 3: to see everything that's going on. These things do get
Speaker 3: complicated because inspectors typically aren't there to see everything. They're
Speaker 3: only there to inspect what it is that is required
Speaker 3: to be inspected. So anyway we can talk a little
Speaker 3: bit about that, and then we'll come back to this one.
Speaker 3: What do you think of Chris Penk's proposal to ease
Speaker 3: up on the H one insulation mandates for new bills.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good idea for a number
Speaker 3: of reasons. I suspect that what has happened is that
Speaker 3: with a new minister and a new government at play.
Speaker 3: Lots of people want to get the air of the minister,
Speaker 3: and some of those people will be people that are
Speaker 3: reluctant to change or to embrace change, and they are
Speaker 3: people that might go, actually, you know what, I think
Speaker 3: that it's added thirty forty fifty thousand dollars the cost
Speaker 3: of new bill. Therefore it's unaffordable. Therefore we shouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: And that's a fairly convincing argument. Then there are others
Speaker 3: who have come forward and said, actually, no, we don't
Speaker 3: think the cost is that great, but the benefit is enormous.
Speaker 3: And then I caught a little snippet of what the
Speaker 3: Minister was saying the other day. Well, hang on, it's
Speaker 3: cold comfort, quite literally to someone who's locked out of
Speaker 3: the housing market because houses are unaffordable. If after twenty
Speaker 3: years they can say, well, look I've had less energy
Speaker 3: bills because my house is more energy efficient, and therefore
Speaker 3: that's a good thing in twenty years time. But if
Speaker 3: I can't afford to buy a house right now, is
Speaker 3: it a good thing for me right now? So look,
Speaker 3: it does get enormously complicated. Think I think it's deserving
Speaker 3: of our discussion and if you want to launch into
Speaker 3: it by all means. But if I had to say
Speaker 3: yeay or nay to it, I'd say I don't think
Speaker 3: it's a good idea. I think that it is. There
Speaker 3: are lots of ways to achieve better energy efficiency in
Speaker 3: our houses. I think the problem with what has happened
Speaker 3: with the changes to H one one that came into
Speaker 3: effect in the Building Code in November of last year
Speaker 3: is that they still left the schedule method there, and
Speaker 3: that's clunky and it led to people assuming a whole
Speaker 3: lot of that they had to do a whole lot
Speaker 3: of things that they possibly didn't need to do. Sorry
Speaker 3: if that sounds a bit vague, and I think it
Speaker 3: it had a really simpler that way. The schedule method
Speaker 3: is a simplistic way of calculating whether or not a
Speaker 3: building's going to be energy efficient. I understand why they
Speaker 3: want to leave the schedule method there because they want
Speaker 3: to be able to allow people to build a house
Speaker 3: out of three six o four without getting specific design, etc.
Speaker 6: Etc.
Speaker 3: But I think maybe we've just moved beyond that. Anyway,
Speaker 3: we can talk about Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 3: is the number to call moisture and slabs is an
Speaker 3: area that architect specifically provides a solution for. Thank you
Speaker 3: for that. I'll explain more why that's relevant on this hour.
Speaker 3: Right now, your opportunity to have your say more than
Speaker 3: I more than happy to talk politics and discuss the
Speaker 3: legislation because it's going to impact on us, all right,
Speaker 3: if they wind back, If the decision is actually we're
Speaker 3: going to lower the standards, And there's been some fantastic
Speaker 3: cartoons this week that I that have popped out talking
Speaker 3: about this. If they're going to if the government decides
Speaker 3: we're actually going to lower the stands, we're going to
Speaker 3: wind back H one, it's going to have a significant
Speaker 3: cost and it's also a lost opportunity as far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned. So where are you at with it?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 3: call Zara? Good morning?
Speaker 5: Ah, Hi, Hey, how are you good?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 5: Yeah? H one So Obvitually it's not my job anymore, but.
Speaker 6: I wor.
Speaker 8: Council.
Speaker 5: I think the whole rollback of the H one is insane.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 5: They're probably needs to be some points done, probably more
Speaker 5: architecturally than.
Speaker 3: I tell you what we might do is see if
Speaker 3: we can get you back on a better line, because
Speaker 3: I'm kind of missing individual bits and if I can't
Speaker 3: hear you, then I suspect that someone listening to the
Speaker 3: radio is going to struggle as well, so well, see
Speaker 3: if we can get Xana back as well. The first
Speaker 3: part of her conversation is pretty clear. I think it's
Speaker 3: insane to roll back the H one requirements, and there's
Speaker 3: a number of groups that have come forward, including I
Speaker 3: was doing some reading yesterday. I was looking for some
Speaker 3: information on the brand's website actually for a presentation that
Speaker 3: I've got to do, and they had a press release
Speaker 3: for immediate release on the nineteenth of July. Because that's
Speaker 3: very current, I'll have a bit of a look at that,
Speaker 3: and they've come up with five reasons why rolling back
Speaker 3: H one is not a good ideas. Had a similar
Speaker 3: press release from the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveyors
Speaker 3: and they've proposed that the issue is not around the
Speaker 3: H one requirements. The issue was around the basically the
Speaker 3: quality and the education within the sector. So we can
Speaker 3: talk about that as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: ten eighty the numbers are there, we go hike much better,
Speaker 3: thank you, much better, much better.
Speaker 5: So I was saying my past life, I worked for
Speaker 5: a district council. H one rollback is like a really
Speaker 5: bad call. Sounds like this government does anything labor did.
Speaker 5: They want to roll it back. But like if you
Speaker 5: think about it from a when they're talking about a
Speaker 5: monetary perspective, right, you have to come up with like
Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy almost two
Speaker 5: hundred k to get into a property anyhow, you're looking
Speaker 5: at twenty maybe thirty thousand dollars at the max for
Speaker 5: your for your H one, for your extra insulation costs.
Speaker 5: The reality is when you put that against percentage wise,
Speaker 5: against what you have to come up with for a
Speaker 5: deposit on a house, it's just it doesn't add up,
Speaker 5: you know, Like if you look at it in terms
Speaker 5: of percentage wise, it's what an extra seven kke, you know,
Speaker 5: So it doesn't make any sense when we're getting better
Speaker 5: quality insulation. What it is is we've got yep education
Speaker 5: in the sector, people not understanding the standards.
Speaker 10: And how it should work.
Speaker 5: The additional part of it is that we have architects
Speaker 5: who are not designing to the quality to not designing correctly.
Speaker 5: So they're still designing. There's datiful homes, which is great,
Speaker 5: but they're actually not thinking about how they do it.
Speaker 5: You know, like massive, massive windows on the north side. Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's going to bake your house. You have to have
Speaker 5: and you've got to have houses that breed, you know,
Speaker 5: you've got to have gaps that breathe at. Ventilation, yeah,
Speaker 5: active ventilation, remote inspections. So I worked for a district
Speaker 5: council if we didn't remote inspections are great where and
Speaker 5: we needed but as the norm, some of the cowboys
Speaker 5: out there that my building inspectors used to come back
Speaker 5: and just tell up stories and they'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: so we turned out for the job blah blah blah
Speaker 5: blah blah, and it was like really, so that's what
Speaker 5: you want to go back to. It just sounds to
Speaker 5: me like there's been a lot of advocation through through
Speaker 5: to the ministers because of where the money has come
Speaker 5: from for our campaign, and I think it's not looking
Speaker 5: at the overall perspective, which is they have and well
Speaker 5: being of New Zealanders as a whole. I now work
Speaker 5: in the health sector and I work out one of
Speaker 5: the busiest eats in New Zealand. And believe me, these
Speaker 5: H one standards need to be in there. You know,
Speaker 5: we have people coming in sacks who are dying in
Speaker 5: their home substandards and we need to change that and
Speaker 5: we need to think about what benefits our people.
Speaker 3: And look back ten fifteen years ago when there was
Speaker 3: kind of much wider subsidies available for retrofitting insulation, right,
Speaker 3: and it was almost like before the warm Up New
Speaker 3: Zealand scheme and so on, and it was it was
Speaker 3: not means tested. And the reason I know that is
Speaker 3: because we were able to qualify for a subsidy probably
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty years ago. And I remember doing some reading
Speaker 3: at the time where you know, every dollar spent on
Speaker 3: insulating and making houses warmer had a seven dollar saving
Speaker 3: in the health sector. And that's you know, you would
Speaker 3: probably agree with that given your perspective now, right, So
Speaker 3: having better quality homes is without a doubt a good thing.
Speaker 3: And I'm pleased you picked up on the poor design.
Speaker 3: And I'm again I'm often loath to criticize other people
Speaker 3: in the sector, but I look, I went to a
Speaker 3: site the other day that was being trumpeted, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to say too much about it because I really
Speaker 3: like the people that are doing this particular project. And
Speaker 3: I went there to look at what they wanted to
Speaker 3: display as an exemplar of better building practice, right. And
Speaker 3: I turned up and I was chatting away to someone.
Speaker 3: I was looking at the windows, and I'm going, why
Speaker 3: have you put the windows where they are in terms
Speaker 3: of the relationship between the double glazing and the insulated
Speaker 3: wall framing, right? And I'm like, hang on, how how
Speaker 3: is it that I'm standing here in front of this
Speaker 3: building where this probably been ten or fifteen designers and
Speaker 3: architects who have looked at this and been part of
Speaker 3: the development of this plan, and it's still basically, in
Speaker 3: a word, wrong. So yeah, And I think that's the
Speaker 3: point that was made actually in a press release that
Speaker 3: I saw from the New Zealand Building Surveys, where they're saying, actually,
Speaker 3: you know, the H one changes are actually not that onerous,
Speaker 3: although see I have some criticism of them as well,
Speaker 3: because when they announced that new ceial insulation across the
Speaker 3: country was going to be our six point six that's madness, right,
Speaker 3: that's madness.
Speaker 6: One.
Speaker 5: Thanks to be in the South Island.
Speaker 3: And again, so as you know, and he puts that
Speaker 3: out right, they go, we're going to make it all
Speaker 3: our six point six, just dumb like, completely unnecessary for
Speaker 3: large parts of the country. And in fact, I remember
Speaker 3: having a discussion five or six years ago with someone
Speaker 3: who went, look, I've just added some insulation to my property.
Speaker 3: And then I've done some reading and I've realized that
Speaker 3: anything above R five is actually not making much difference
Speaker 3: at all to the performance of the building, and in
Speaker 3: fact it might have some unintended consequences. And so you know,
Speaker 3: they go, okay, because they wanted to keep the schedule method,
Speaker 3: they went, let's make it our six point six, and
Speaker 3: let's make it everywhere in the country. And so suddenly
Speaker 3: you've got trust manufacturers and framing detailers going, well, hang on,
Speaker 3: if we need to get three hundred and something millimeters
Speaker 3: of insulation, we're going to come up with these funky
Speaker 3: heel trusses, and we can't do six to two rafters anymore.
Speaker 3: Bloody bloody blah. They've shot themselves in their foot, to
Speaker 3: be exactly, and.
Speaker 5: That's our additional costs. That's where costs start to blow out.
Speaker 3: So it's like people aren't thinking about they're designing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, think about your design, think about as
Speaker 5: a as a unity group. I mean, get around the table,
Speaker 5: and don't get specialists around the table. You know, the
Speaker 5: people who actually worked, A couple of key people all
Speaker 5: over the country who actually do the job, not the bossers,
Speaker 5: the actual builders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you see, I think that that might have
Speaker 3: happened in the sense that I think that you know,
Speaker 3: you can imagine being a new minister in a new government,
Speaker 3: you would be bombarded by people who want to lobby
Speaker 3: for their position. That's politics, right, and that's absolutely fine,
Speaker 3: in the same way that you'll get bombarded by people
Speaker 3: that go Green Building Council stood up the other day
Speaker 3: and went, we think it's a really bad idea to
Speaker 3: wind back h one. A bunch of people that work
Speaker 3: in high performance homes like super home Movement, they said
Speaker 3: it's a really bad idea. Brands have just come out
Speaker 3: and they've said it's a really bad idea. But you
Speaker 3: can also imagine that within the sector there will be
Speaker 3: you know, developers and builders who are going, look, we
Speaker 3: can't seem to get it right. We think it's adding
Speaker 3: in the figure is forty thousand dollars. Let's say to
Speaker 3: a new build. Therefore, we want it rolled back because
Speaker 3: we think it's making houses unaffordable. And that's a fairly
Speaker 3: strong argument, right If you're in charge of trying to
Speaker 3: deliver ten of thousands of houses and you want to
Speaker 3: make them more affordable. If someone says to you, you
Speaker 3: can say forty grand by just winding back H one,
Speaker 3: that's kind of tempting. It's probably untrue, but it's kind
Speaker 3: of tempting. Imagine being in his shoes. In fact, we
Speaker 3: should find out, and I think I'm going to get
Speaker 3: him on the show. Zana, thank you very much for
Speaker 3: your calls and your conversation this morning, really appreciated. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm happy to launch into this in terms of talking
Speaker 3: about H one and the regulations and housing affordability. Quick
Speaker 3: just before I go to en So if you have
Speaker 3: a look on the brand's website if you're interested, they've
Speaker 3: got a press release up there that says brands reinforces
Speaker 3: support for the better Kiwi homes through higher efficiency standards
Speaker 3: in their introduction states last year, the new energy efficient
Speaker 3: standards under H one under Clause H one of the
Speaker 3: New Zealand Building Code were introduced that require better than
Speaker 3: performance than new homes, including more insulation. These changes aim
Speaker 3: to improve the health and comfort and to help country
Speaker 3: reduce the country's carbon emissions. These steps towards aligning with
Speaker 3: international best practice and the expectations of consumers. Goes on
Speaker 3: for a bit and then it says in summary, these
Speaker 3: are the reasons that we think it should be maintained
Speaker 3: as an H one. One The standards are based on
Speaker 3: scientific evidence. Two insulation does not cause overheating. Three poor
Speaker 3: design is the problem. Four avoiding the costs of reversing
Speaker 3: the changes because there'll be significant costs and going backwards.
Speaker 3: And five aligning the building sector with national climate goals.
Speaker 3: So there's more information in there. We'll have a look
Speaker 3: at it a little bit later on if you've got
Speaker 3: a thought. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 3: to call texts as well. Morning. Huge investment has gone
Speaker 3: into suppliers getting the products to reach the new H
Speaker 3: one compliance standards. I work for one of the largest
Speaker 3: aluminium extrusion suppliers for windows and doors, and we've had
Speaker 3: a tremendous investment in R and D to offer our
Speaker 3: thermal extrusions and completely and continually improve them chairs from
Speaker 3: I'll leave your aim out of it for now, Shilo,
Speaker 3: but I one hundred percent agree with exactly what you're
Speaker 3: saying there. A lot of people have prepared for this,
Speaker 3: and winding it back is going to be enormously disruptive,
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure it's going to give you the
Speaker 3: benefit that you're after. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: ten eighty will take your calls. Ian, Good morning to you.
Speaker 10: Good morning, Pete.
Speaker 7: How are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very well, thanks, that's a story.
Speaker 10: Pete's got a question. We've got an old house built
Speaker 10: nineteen eighty four, particle floor flooring, tile roof, and on
Speaker 10: some of the interior petitions, the walls are pressing the
Speaker 10: down through the particle flooring. Correct. Yes, of Servius, there's
Speaker 10: no floor joist underneath it. The question is is that
Speaker 10: a straightforward repair for a licensed practitioner or is it
Speaker 10: more a specialized job for someone who does house leveling
Speaker 10: or something like that. What's your thoughts on that one.
Speaker 3: Probably not a job for someone who does house leveling
Speaker 3: in the sense that it's a little I was going
Speaker 3: to say it's a little bit more technical than that.
Speaker 3: It is in the sense that what's essentially what's happening
Speaker 3: is and it would have been either it was an
Speaker 3: oversight at the time of construction or it just wasn't
Speaker 3: required at the time of construction. So typically if you're
Speaker 3: not putting a load bearing wall on top of a
Speaker 3: series of joys below or across them, so that it's
Speaker 3: the weight of the bottom plate is distributed over a
Speaker 3: number of joys that are running at ninety degrees to
Speaker 3: your bottom plate right, So if you're running parallel to
Speaker 3: your joists, you're either looking to get your framing directly
Speaker 3: on top of it within a certain distance, but you
Speaker 3: would never ideally have it sitting mid span so that
Speaker 3: all that it's being held up with is the particle board.
Speaker 3: And if you do, then you wouldnog between the two
Speaker 3: parallel joists on either side of the bottom plate at
Speaker 3: let's say four hundred centers or six hundred centers right
Speaker 3: to support the weight of that bottom plate. And I
Speaker 3: suspect that if you are able to get underneath the
Speaker 3: floor and look up, you'll find that there is an
Speaker 3: absence of nogs. The next question becomes, Okay, if I
Speaker 3: wanted to put nogs in there, how do I push
Speaker 3: the bottom plate up and get rid of that deflection
Speaker 3: and the flooring which might so can you get underneath
Speaker 3: the floor at that point?
Speaker 6: Ken?
Speaker 10: This but tricky. We may have a cut of section
Speaker 10: the floor out right.
Speaker 3: To get in there. Yeah, So what I suppose if
Speaker 3: I was approaching it, I'd probably look at getting if
Speaker 3: I could get underneath there, you'd cut your noogs and
Speaker 3: if the noog won't go up, you'd actually have a
Speaker 3: small bottle jack underneath it and jack the dog up
Speaker 3: into position so that if the knog is cut to
Speaker 3: the same size as the joists on either side, when
Speaker 3: the bottom of the knog is flushed with the joists,
Speaker 3: then you know that you will have leveled out the
Speaker 3: floor above it's hard to see both sides of the
Speaker 3: floor at once, and then fix it off. And if
Speaker 3: you're worried about it, you know, collapsing or lowering down
Speaker 3: later on, you could put some multi grips or some
Speaker 3: CP forties or you know, some extra bracing on either
Speaker 3: side of it as well to ensure that it doesn't move.
Speaker 3: But that's probably going to be the solution. And I'd
Speaker 3: almost guarantee that when you get underneath the floor you
Speaker 3: can see where the bottom plate is deflecting the flooring.
Speaker 3: It'll be because there's no nogging underneath it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think i'd suspect that's the case. We've had
Speaker 10: another section of the house to SA's some sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 10: But was that something that was back in the day
Speaker 10: was a non requirement or was it just a bit
Speaker 10: of oh, look, slickness on the building.
Speaker 3: It might be, you know, because when you're laying out
Speaker 3: your choice, right, you know you're off. Maybe you didn't
Speaker 3: to that. Maybe they didn't look carefully at the plans right,
Speaker 3: and they weren't thinking about where their load bearing walls above,
Speaker 3: and so they might have just gone, let's just set
Speaker 3: them all out at six hundred centers and then they
Speaker 3: throw the flooring down, and then they stand the frames
Speaker 3: up on top and they realize that actually it's in
Speaker 3: the middle of the floor. Oh well it'll be okay.
Speaker 3: Well it's not okay forty odd years later.
Speaker 10: No, So is it an idea or a good idea,
Speaker 10: good practice to actually cut that section of floor out
Speaker 10: and lay a new flat piece. And if you get
Speaker 10: going to go rather thank you jack up underneath put
Speaker 10: the nogs in. Should you try and take that section
Speaker 10: of floor out and put a new piece in there.
Speaker 3: So you get quite a lot of work to try
Speaker 3: and get that flooring out because obviously it's trapped underneath
Speaker 3: the bottom plate of the wall that's there. Look, if
Speaker 3: the particle border is in poor condition, which it'll be
Speaker 3: a bit dozy by now, but unless it's had a
Speaker 3: fair amount of water on it, it will still be okay.
Speaker 3: I think I'd probably just take the approach of going,
Speaker 3: let's just get under the nogget and push the bottom
Speaker 3: plate up that way.
Speaker 10: And there is that's wrong with putting an extra pile
Speaker 10: and there.
Speaker 3: Oh not at all the floor as well. Yeah. So again,
Speaker 3: if you go to the building code or yeah, to
Speaker 3: three six o four, you'll find, for example, that there's
Speaker 3: a minimum distance away from a parallel joist that you
Speaker 3: can put a bottom plate. You know, so you might
Speaker 3: be able to be fifty millimeters from the edge of
Speaker 3: the floor joist. And you know, but if your floor
Speaker 3: joiser at six hundred centers, for example, and you put
Speaker 3: it in the middle, well then what's happened is inevitable.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, much pressure. Enjoy all right, take care of all
Speaker 3: the best, boy, and having spent a little bit of
Speaker 3: time unerneath the floor putting in nogs. It's i'll tell
Speaker 3: you what, it's quite a good job to do with
Speaker 3: somebody else, because in the instance, the job that I
Speaker 3: did last week or the week before, I thought, right,
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that this nog's nice and
Speaker 3: tight in there. But of course I was, you know,
Speaker 3: a million and a half too tight. So crawl back out,
Speaker 3: cut it, crawl back in fixing the nog, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 3: the number to call. Yeah, we're getting lots of texts
Speaker 3: on the whole insulation thing. Well, we'll take a deep
Speaker 3: dive into this. You tell us where you want to
Speaker 3: go on the show eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I
Speaker 3: will take a break. We'll come back and talk to
Speaker 3: Paul in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: That'd be plenty of texts and a welcome you text
Speaker 3: on this particular issue, changing h one, rolling it back,
Speaker 3: sticking to what's already been. I was going to say,
Speaker 3: agreed to. There's no real agreement. It's like this is
Speaker 3: the new rules and get on with it. Oh eight
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Paul,
Speaker 3: Good morning you.
Speaker 11: Good morning morning. I'm working on a shed that we're lining.
Speaker 11: Yes to use it as an alternative use with the
Speaker 11: right council approvals and whatnot. But what concerns me is
Speaker 11: the concrete floor. And I reclect back it was about
Speaker 11: Valentine's Day, not that I'm into that sort of.
Speaker 12: Carry on, but.
Speaker 11: About a year ago there was a big flooding and
Speaker 11: the vartity and whatnot, and we're in the caramandle and
Speaker 11: I recall.
Speaker 6: This particular shed.
Speaker 11: There was a lot of moisture that came up, I believe,
Speaker 11: through the concrete. And an old maid of mine, he's
Speaker 11: not a builder, but he's been involved in a lot
Speaker 11: of building projects. He said, pour a couple of cup
Speaker 11: of water over the concrete and see what happens to
Speaker 11: the water. And I found him back and said, disappeared
Speaker 11: into the concrete, and well, when they put the concrete down, mate,
Speaker 11: there's no moisture barrier.
Speaker 8: There's it's just it's just porous.
Speaker 11: And the only thing you can do is put a
Speaker 11: flooring compound down. You obviously can't concrete on top of
Speaker 11: concrete and expected to fix the problem.
Speaker 12: It's going to.
Speaker 11: Cause more problems. What what what are your suggestions? You know,
Speaker 11: I do have some semics floor or you know, floor
Speaker 11: leveling compound there that says that it's good. And I've
Speaker 11: read up a lot on the internet and what there's
Speaker 11: all sorts of compounds available that say that it's as
Speaker 11: good as putting a membrane. Not that there's a membrane
Speaker 11: able to be put on a concrete floor, or.
Speaker 3: There are there are membranes that you can apply over
Speaker 3: the top concrete floors as seilers. So okay, So there,
Speaker 3: let's assume the slab is down, there is no vapor barrier,
Speaker 3: and you'll get moisture coming up through the slab, and
Speaker 3: you want to make it habitable space, and so you
Speaker 3: want to be able to control that internal moisture. That
Speaker 3: makes sense. So are you intending to lay flooring over
Speaker 3: the top of what you're putting down or do you
Speaker 3: want the concrete to be exposed.
Speaker 11: In the wet areas, the idea was to put tiling down, okay,
Speaker 11: all right, and in the non wet areas the insulator
Speaker 11: thermally insulated under the sure carbet on top to keep
Speaker 11: it warm.
Speaker 3: Okay. So the main thing is that you're going to
Speaker 3: cover it, and so you could apply a coating that
Speaker 3: won't then be seen later on truck like, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: use floor leveling compound to try and create a waterproof
Speaker 3: barrier because it won't work right, So, okay, you could
Speaker 3: use that later on, but I wouldn't use it as
Speaker 3: your primary one. So there are crystalline solutions, things like
Speaker 3: Cemex crystal Proof, for example, which is an application that
Speaker 3: you can you mix it up, apply it and it
Speaker 3: penetrates into the pores of the slab, searching for moisture
Speaker 3: and will continue to activate. Now there's a couple of
Speaker 3: issues with that. Can't paint it later on, you may
Speaker 3: not be able to tile over it, so you'd have
Speaker 3: to get some technical advice on that. There are other
Speaker 3: ceiling sealers that you can apply. So for example, where
Speaker 3: we've had a concrete slab that hasn't dried out enough,
Speaker 3: but we've wanted to lay a timber floor over the
Speaker 3: top of it, and we wanted to make sure that
Speaker 3: the timber floor is not going to be impacted by
Speaker 3: the moisture in the slab. Then you can apply a
Speaker 3: vapor barrier there, which is again a brush on application
Speaker 3: that you can then adhere you're flooring to. So that's
Speaker 3: a solution for you. And then there are a couple
Speaker 3: of you know, professional companies that will come out and
Speaker 3: do the job for you as well, who apply waterproof
Speaker 3: solutions that will keep moisture in the slab, and again,
Speaker 3: do a little bit of research around which one you
Speaker 3: want and the compatibility. If you had the space, you
Speaker 3: could actually pour another slab over the top, it would
Speaker 3: need to be at least seventy eighty millimeters thick for
Speaker 3: it not to crack on its own, so that may
Speaker 3: not be a great solution. I think often people have
Speaker 3: got like a two point four start in the thought
Speaker 3: of pouring another one hundred slab over the top. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's not that great, So there are some solutions out there.
Speaker 3: I think you're on the right track in terms of
Speaker 3: doing the research, but you know, yeah, there are solutions
Speaker 3: for you, so Crystaline solutions, vapor barriers or a proprietary one.
Speaker 3: So get a company in like Armtek or someone like
Speaker 3: that to come and do it. Good luck with all
Speaker 3: of that. It is ten minutes away from seveny to
Speaker 3: take another short break. We'll be back with Don in
Speaker 3: just a moment.
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Speaker 3: good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Good morning Pee, take pleasure to talk to you as
Speaker 6: well to you Peter. I think that I think that
Speaker 6: you can rely on the National government. You said you'd
Speaker 6: welcome but to talk on the politics, so let's get
Speaker 6: into it. I think you can rely on the National
Speaker 6: government to be a bit disruptive, disruptive of patch protection
Speaker 6: that tends to accumulate when you've got a long time
Speaker 6: in left wing governments. There's some brilliant outcomes from some
Speaker 6: of the changes the Minister has already signaled. We've been
Speaker 6: looking at a build over on the West coast in
Speaker 6: a remote area, and one of the things we've been
Speaker 6: exploring is importing some windows from China, which of course
Speaker 6: the new regulations have opened up the door to be
Speaker 6: able to do that, and just looking at the windows,
Speaker 6: in my understanding is they have Pete and I'm not
Speaker 6: an expert in the space, and the gentleman that's doing
Speaker 6: this particular part of the exercise definitely is an expert,
Speaker 6: and he wouldn't be doing anything that isn't actually co
Speaker 6: because he's pretty good at checking those regulations. That's part
Speaker 6: of his point of difference in what he does. Sure,
Speaker 6: And we looked at the different quotes from locally in
Speaker 6: China and had a look at the fact there's twenty
Speaker 6: to thirty percent difference in those in the pricing.
Speaker 10: So it's a bit of a.
Speaker 6: Swings and roundabouts. I think Pete that the insulation might
Speaker 6: be costing a little bit more in one space, but
Speaker 6: the opportunity to change up building materials and level out
Speaker 6: those costs again in the other space, So I don't
Speaker 6: think the sky is falling.
Speaker 13: I recalled back.
Speaker 6: To sort of thirty years ago when we started or
Speaker 6: forty years ago when we started looking at their regulation
Speaker 6: in New Zealand, and a lot of screaming about how
Speaker 6: the sky was going to fall. Well, we're forty years
Speaker 6: on and the sky certainly hasn't fallen. But that doesn't
Speaker 6: mean you don't need to be cautious.
Speaker 3: Except what about leaky buildings?
Speaker 6: Yeah, now I was going to see that.
Speaker 3: Next you had a leaky building. The sky's falling quite literally.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's absolutely right, And that came about. That came
Speaker 6: about a lot because we changed up the way that
Speaker 6: we designed buildings. And then we got some people who
Speaker 6: are quite good at what they were doing, but we
Speaker 6: got a lot of me too, people joining the bandwagon
Speaker 6: as well. It didn't know what they were doing. And
Speaker 6: then designers just simply didn't design flashings and all of
Speaker 6: those other bits to an appropriate standard. So we had
Speaker 6: to lift up those standards.
Speaker 3: I've got one minute before the news, go for it.
Speaker 3: Sure your most salient point R.
Speaker 6: Two, R two point six and walls and R four
Speaker 6: point for R four in ceilings is more than enough
Speaker 6: where I live in Canterbury. But I agree that a
Speaker 6: brush a broad stroke across the whole country to go
Speaker 6: to R seven and R four is a bridge too
Speaker 6: far in the north, and possibly not far enough in
Speaker 6: the Deep South. So I think overall we're in good hands.
Speaker 6: But my last point would be on councils and inspections.
Speaker 6: I think that fee for service guys. I think that
Speaker 6: if the councils can offer up that you can have
Speaker 6: if you want to buy it, on site, inspectors to
Speaker 6: do your checking so you've got security of knowing you've
Speaker 6: had someone have a look, right, then I think councils
Speaker 6: need to get busy and make those services available even
Speaker 6: if they're not required, because I know I'd want to buy.
Speaker 3: That as a value. Add interesting point, Yeah, absolutely, interesting point, fascinate.
Speaker 3: Thank you Don much appreciated, great ideas. Take care. Look,
Speaker 3: the occasional shakeup is not a bad thing as long
Speaker 3: as we get good outcomes. We're going to talk to
Speaker 3: Paul and to Bruce after the news. If you'd like
Speaker 3: to join us, call us now eight hundred and eighty
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Speaker 3: So we've I mentioned at the beginning of the program
Speaker 3: that it's hard to recall a time in recent memory,
Speaker 3: and given I've been doing this show for ten years
Speaker 3: where building has not been such a political issue in
Speaker 3: the sense that obviously with a coalition government that's come
Speaker 3: into power, they're looking at regulation, they're looking at housing affordability,
Speaker 3: they're looking at housing supply, and they're going, it's not
Speaker 3: really working. We kind of all know that it's not
Speaker 3: really working. So what can we do? What levers can
Speaker 3: we pull to change it? And out of that has
Speaker 3: come a whole bunch of changes to regulation, So changing
Speaker 3: or proposing that let's say, granny flats up to sixty
Speaker 3: square meters could be built without necesscessarily requiring a building
Speaker 3: consent or a resource consent, and then there's a whole
Speaker 3: lot of it's like a drop down menu. Next to
Speaker 3: it is a whole lot of if if, and then
Speaker 3: you can come out with it. That's just I've just
Speaker 3: remembered something that I was going to do. I love
Speaker 3: the occasional completely unscientific text pole, So this was something
Speaker 3: I was thinking about during the course of the week,
Speaker 3: and I'll come to the calls in moment, but I'd
Speaker 3: like to do this with you this morning on the
Speaker 3: show through till about eight fifteen. So the text the
Speaker 3: moot is could you build? Could do you have the space?
Speaker 3: Could you build a sixty square meter granny flat on
Speaker 3: your property? So think about where you live right now
Speaker 3: and text me yes or no. Could you put a
Speaker 3: sixty square meter granny flat on your property that would
Speaker 3: be compliant with the regulations. So, for example, it needs
Speaker 3: to be the height of the building away from a
Speaker 3: boundary or from an adjacent building. That's probably the biggest one, right,
Speaker 3: and it has to go in the rear yard and
Speaker 3: you can only put one of them in. Could you
Speaker 3: do it at your house? The reason for my question is,
Speaker 3: while it's been floated as an answer to housing affordability
Speaker 3: and housing supply, I suspect that the number of properties
Speaker 3: where it could actually go is tiny. So will its
Speaker 3: impact be great?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think it will be because there's just not
Speaker 3: that many properties around where you could do it, certainly
Speaker 3: not an urban center. So again text me right now
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two if you wanted to, could you
Speaker 3: put a sixty square meter granny flat on your property
Speaker 3: and it be compliant. So we'll run that text during
Speaker 3: the course of the program. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call, and we'll try
Speaker 3: and keep a tally of that as well. That's going
Speaker 3: to be the hard but so far, yes, no, yes, no, yes, interesting, No,
Speaker 3: I'm on a seven hundred and twelve square meter section.
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Okay, that's going to run alongside the rest
Speaker 3: of the program. Paul, good morning, welcome, Yeah.
Speaker 12: Good morning, Peter. Hey, my questions not regarding the granny flats,
Speaker 12: but no, no, I'm just running that as a sideline.
Speaker 3: Basically, I've got a side hustle going. That's what it is.
Speaker 12: Now, that's all right, But I do have a question
Speaker 12: regarding that, just after listening to your comments. So not
Speaker 12: needing a resource consent, how do we get on with plumbing?
Speaker 12: If I guess if you're using a license building practitioner,
Speaker 12: he can build without the resource consent, and I'm assuming
Speaker 12: if the plumber is licensed, he can probably plumb without
Speaker 12: a resource consent as well. So I'm picking that would
Speaker 12: be the process that would occur if you were building
Speaker 12: such a small.
Speaker 3: Dwelling to be fair. That's I don't know that they're
Speaker 3: terribly clear on that. The idea would be because and
Speaker 3: it's not about resource consent, it's about building consent for
Speaker 3: those types of things. So let's say you did build
Speaker 3: a granny flat in the backyard, and obviously you'd want
Speaker 3: to connect the toilet up to the wastewater supply, and
Speaker 3: typically that work needs a building consent because plumbing is
Speaker 3: underneath the building consent. However, plumbers and drain layers are
Speaker 3: effectively their license right, which allows them to self certify
Speaker 3: to some degree. So as long as the work was
Speaker 3: done by a licensed drain layer to the requirements, that
Speaker 3: should be okay, right, and that person should be able
Speaker 3: to issue you with a record of works or a
Speaker 3: producer statement saying I've done the work, here's the as built,
Speaker 3: and the work complies with the building code in terms
Speaker 3: of the connections and how it all links together and
Speaker 3: venting and so on and so forth. I guess what's
Speaker 3: difficult is council then don't have a way of controlling
Speaker 3: how many new connections will go into their existing storm
Speaker 3: water or wastewater systems which may already be stretched.
Speaker 12: That's going to be the challenge, right, Yeah, no, that
Speaker 12: makes sense. So yeah, obviously something will have to happen
Speaker 12: to moderate that sort of thing. But anyway, Peter, what
Speaker 12: I've ringing about primarily is I've got a I've got
Speaker 12: a what was an industrial site with a huge block
Speaker 12: of or level concrete area which I think is exceptionally thick. Yes,
Speaker 12: I want to put a shed on top of it,
Speaker 12: but I think for me to pull the concrete up,
Speaker 12: it's going to be a nightmare. And it's in really
Speaker 12: good repair.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 12: I'm picking without doing any drilling or anything. I'm picking.
Speaker 12: It's probably about two or three hundred deep. It was
Speaker 12: an industrial site, so I don't think there'd be any
Speaker 12: issues if I put a shed on with regards the
Speaker 12: concrete not being strong enough or you know, it's probably
Speaker 12: at a foot.
Speaker 2: In depth, yeah, all over it.
Speaker 12: But how do I prove that to the counsel if
Speaker 12: I want to put a shad on top And obviously
Speaker 12: I have no issue putting a new poor over the
Speaker 12: top of the existence, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Think it will come down to specific design. So you'll
Speaker 3: need to get an engineer to come and maybe they
Speaker 3: will do some a couple of cord drills through the
Speaker 3: existing slab to determine its thickness. If you happen to
Speaker 3: have any photographs of it when it was laid, you know,
Speaker 3: is there some mession at any documentation about what type
Speaker 3: of concrete it was, et cetera, et cetera. But it
Speaker 3: will come down to specific design. So again, someone will
Speaker 3: come do some exploratory drilling. I suspect maybe what they'll
Speaker 3: end up doing is saying, actually, we think that the
Speaker 3: bearing capacity is you know, enormous more than compacted hardfill.
Speaker 3: And therefore you could up a slab on the top,
Speaker 3: come up one hundred and fifty mil, which will give
Speaker 3: you a threshold that you need for you know, water
Speaker 3: and so on. Box that up on top, box that
Speaker 3: level because chances are the existing driveways not level, and
Speaker 3: then with mesh and maybe you need to anchor it
Speaker 3: down with a couple of cares and then build on top.
Speaker 3: But it'll be specific design from an engineer.
Speaker 12: Okay, you know what would that be, like a geotech.
Speaker 3: Or a geotech would probably want to be involved, but no,
Speaker 3: it would be a structural engineer primarily.
Speaker 12: Okay, that's cool, I'll give them a try, and hey,
Speaker 12: thanks very much, all the best for your time.
Speaker 3: Okay man, right, all the best, Thank you, take care.
Speaker 3: Someone's saying I've got the wrong question. The question should
Speaker 3: be do you have room to build a granny fait
Speaker 3: of thirty to sixty square meters in your backyard? Now,
Speaker 3: I'll stick with sixty square meters because that's what the
Speaker 3: maximum is going to be for simplicity. Surprising number of yeses,
Speaker 3: but it's things like, Yes, I'm on a ten acre
Speaker 3: block and I want to retire. My family are coming
Speaker 3: home after fifteen years overseas, and I could move into
Speaker 3: the and they could move into the family home. Perfect
Speaker 3: solution for me. True, but you're on ten acres. No
Speaker 3: small section, North Auckland.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: Two hundred and thirty square meter house on six hundred
Speaker 3: square meters already the shape and position of the house
Speaker 3: gives no room in the backyard. Yes, two thousand square
Speaker 3: meter section we subdivided from our large five bedroom home
Speaker 3: due to the husband losing a job through COVID. Thank
Speaker 3: you very much for that.
Speaker 14: No.
Speaker 3: Nine hundred square meter section underground sewer down the middle
Speaker 3: of the section. Distance from the boundaries is the issue
Speaker 3: so interesting? So we're running a little pole completely totally
Speaker 3: absolutely unscientific pole the very best kind I find. Could
Speaker 3: you build a sixty square meter granny flat on your
Speaker 3: property as per the proposals? Bruce, good morning? How are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 15: Wanting better answers to your text? No, I can't. Was
Speaker 15: already four here?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 3: No, get greedy?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: How can I help? What's up?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 15: This is a legal situation. I'm calling on behalf of
Speaker 15: friends who sold their home August last year. Just prior
Speaker 15: to selling, in fact, we had to delay the first
Speaker 15: open home. A common dwelling wall the three units on
Speaker 15: this property. This particular unit is the third one and
Speaker 15: the lowest one of the three. Harricky corner you go
Speaker 15: past it every day, and the common wall leaked. This
Speaker 15: was leaked July. Yeah, and there was no obvious area
Speaker 15: where it came through. The reason I'm starting, I don't
Speaker 15: quite know where to start on the story. The new
Speaker 15: owners have actually taken these my friends to the tribunal,
Speaker 15: and I'm sort of backwards. So then it leaked again
Speaker 15: three weeks later, after new carpet had been put down,
Speaker 15: because we just couldn't decide, couldn't pond where the hell
Speaker 15: the problem we came through the second time, it was
Speaker 15: obvious and it was the stormwater on the drive side
Speaker 15: of the house that was repaired and it was a
Speaker 15: massive it was about one hundred mils gap in the
Speaker 15: stormwater pipe.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Anyway, so the house was duly sold, all the problems
Speaker 15: were highlighted, and then we didn't know but the house
Speaker 15: leaked again. The same wall leaked again New Year's weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 15: but there wasn't until three months later. So we're talking
Speaker 15: now talking early well, mid March that my friends got
Speaker 15: a bill out of the blue for thirteen thousand dollars,
Speaker 15: no explanation, not yeah, and there was no room for discussion.
Speaker 15: They set this fill through the lawyers that did the
Speaker 15: transaction on the house, and of course they were no
Speaker 15: ferry to do anything with it, sat on it for
Speaker 15: three weeks subsequently, the time's gone on, but they didn't
Speaker 15: so the owners didn't have the contact details for as
Speaker 15: old owners. Anyway, it's now taken us to the tribunal.
Speaker 3: When you say taking us to the tribunal, what tribunal
Speaker 3: do you refer to.
Speaker 15: Well, it's just the normal tribunal, very small yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 15: claiming that and it's very vague in how they presented
Speaker 15: any figure between six and twelve thousand dollars. Trying to understand,
Speaker 15: But my belief is they should have notified the owners
Speaker 15: or the old owners the time of the incident that
Speaker 15: there was a problem, and hey, we're going to have
Speaker 15: we've notified you now. Now there's room for discussions on
Speaker 15: the track. But now they've had the thing repaired. Now
Speaker 15: they're coming in and saying, right, we're going to hit
Speaker 15: you with this bill. Any views. I've spoken to a
Speaker 15: number of people. Everyone up and just says, no, that's
Speaker 15: not right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ultimately, I mean, ultimately you and your friends should
Speaker 3: seek legal advice. But can I just to summarize it,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to spend too long on this.
Speaker 3: So the people that you are friends with, they owned
Speaker 3: that property and then they sold it and the new
Speaker 3: owners have discovered a leak and they have then had
Speaker 3: some work done and they've sent them the bill for
Speaker 3: the work.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 3: Okay, at the time when your friends sold the property,
Speaker 3: did they were they aware of any issues around leak? Like,
Speaker 3: genuinely not aware of any issues.
Speaker 15: No, there was two leaks and they were repaired and
Speaker 15: they were repaired professionally. The guy took photos of the repair,
Speaker 15: so that was and they were not defied of that, and.
Speaker 3: That was that was declared at the time of the
Speaker 3: Salem purchase.
Speaker 15: Correct, Okay, and I'm spoken with legal people and they
Speaker 15: are tearing their areat that's what I thought. I'm running
Speaker 15: out of.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to venture into this. I mean,
Speaker 3: I shouldn't write because I'm not a lawyer, but I
Speaker 3: would have thought that from everything that I've read about
Speaker 3: these sorts of disputes, it often centers on whether or
Speaker 3: not there is the duty to declare right and to disclose.
Speaker 3: So if if, for example, there'd been a persistent leak,
Speaker 3: your friends had tried to fix it, they kind of
Speaker 3: hoped that they'd got it fixed, but you never really
Speaker 3: know until it rains again, and then they didn't declare
Speaker 3: that at the Salem purchase or at the time of negotiation,
Speaker 3: and then at leaked you'd understand that the new purchaser
Speaker 3: would want to go them for some costs. Saying that.
Speaker 3: My understanding also of remedial work is let's say I'm
Speaker 3: the client and I don't do a great job. I'm
Speaker 3: the builder and I don't do a great job. For
Speaker 3: a client, and they decide to get someone in to
Speaker 3: fix it, and then they send me the bill and go,
Speaker 3: you have to pay for that. I don't have to
Speaker 3: pay it because they didn't give me the opportunity of
Speaker 3: fixing it. So I wonder whether the claim might be
Speaker 3: struck out because they didn't. You can't just send someone
Speaker 3: a bill for work if you haven't told them you're
Speaker 3: going to have the work done exactly. That's kind of
Speaker 3: where I would be, But hey, look I ain't no lawyer,
Speaker 3: so I'll take a step back from there. Good luck
Speaker 3: with that, and good on you for being such a
Speaker 3: good mate to those people. I might have a cruise by, righty, Oh,
Speaker 3: we'll take a short break. We'll talk to Paul in
Speaker 3: just a moment if you'd like to join us. We're
Speaker 3: talking building, We're talking nuts and bolt stuff, doing an
Speaker 3: enormously unscientific, unreliable pole. Could you put a sixty square
Speaker 3: meter my granny flat? Because that's the way that the
Speaker 3: legislation is referring to it on your existing property. The
Speaker 3: person that texts me and goes, how many could I
Speaker 3: put on eighty eight acres? Or are you just showing off?
Speaker 3: But I get the point just one, by the way,
Speaker 3: is the answer to that question? Twenty two minutes after
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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'm loving
Speaker 3: the responses to the I quite genuinely, I'm surprised the
Speaker 3: number of people that have been able to reply yes
Speaker 3: to my question. My question is could you put a
Speaker 3: up to sixty square meet let's call it a sixty
Speaker 3: square met of granny flat on the property that you're
Speaker 3: in right now? And I think right now more people
Speaker 3: have said yes than not, which intrigues me. Paul A,
Speaker 3: very good morning to you.
Speaker 16: Good morning bye. My issue is I've got a nineteen
Speaker 16: seventies eighties townhouse which had some main major renovations done
Speaker 16: about seven years ago, and included that was a bathroom
Speaker 16: for out which is upstairs, and the bathroom has got
Speaker 16: floor to ceiling tiles. Yes, And a few weeks ago
Speaker 16: I noticed that there was a damp area in the
Speaker 16: carpet as she walked into the bathroom. Right, so I
Speaker 16: and we went away from those weeks up dried out
Speaker 16: a bit, so I had a bit more of an investigation.
Speaker 16: And also what I did not is when I lifted
Speaker 16: the carpet in this area there was a few ants.
Speaker 16: So anyway, I went and looked in the shower and
Speaker 16: I found a small hole in the grout where the
Speaker 16: wall and the floor neat, probably outside of our cloud head.
Speaker 16: And I also noticed one of demands probably coming from
Speaker 16: that hole. So, yeah, I've got this leak in the ground. Well,
Speaker 16: I've only found the one hole. I mean that might
Speaker 16: be a little bit more, but I'm not sure. What
Speaker 16: would you suggest. I don't want to fix it myself
Speaker 16: because I don't think I'm capable, But how would you
Speaker 16: approach this?
Speaker 3: The bad newsers, the groud's not the problem, right, So
Speaker 3: groud's not really there to keep water out. The waterproofing
Speaker 3: compound or the waterproofing system beyond the groud is what
Speaker 3: should be containing the spread of moisture. So h m hm,
Speaker 3: given that the work was done seven years ago, did
Speaker 3: you have the work done?
Speaker 13: So?
Speaker 8: I had a.
Speaker 16: I had a project manager and she the builders were
Speaker 16: contracted to me.
Speaker 10: The major.
Speaker 16: Like the electrician, the builder were contracted to me, so
Speaker 16: I signed an agreement with them.
Speaker 3: Okay, did the work require a building consent at the time,
Speaker 3: or did you get a building consent for the work.
Speaker 16: That's that's that I'm not sure about, because I left
Speaker 16: that up to her. All the stuff I sort of record.
Speaker 16: I believe that I do recall something about the ceiling
Speaker 16: being done, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the waterproof and yeah, so okay. So I think
Speaker 3: the long the short of it is there's a failure
Speaker 3: of the waterproofing and that you've got leaking either in
Speaker 3: the shower or an in adjacent area. Now, given that
Speaker 3: the work was done about seven years ago, I would
Speaker 3: be on the phone to the person who was the
Speaker 3: project manager. They will probably try and run for the hills.
Speaker 3: Then I talk to the builder and I would check
Speaker 3: whether or not that builder is a licensed building practitioner,
Speaker 3: and I would remind them of their obligations to basically
Speaker 3: stand by their work right, and it's sort of an
Speaker 3: implied warranty is that things should last for at least
Speaker 3: ten years, and you're within that ten year window. So
Speaker 3: that's where I would start project manager first, then onto
Speaker 3: the builder. The builder, if that's who you paid the
Speaker 3: bill to, I think is still responsible and liable for
Speaker 3: the work. They then would need to come out and investigate.
Speaker 3: If they are still in business with the waterproofer or
Speaker 3: the tyler, they could then get them on board. But
Speaker 3: I would start there before you start investigating yourself.
Speaker 16: Yeah, so that tyler was independent to be in so
Speaker 16: that the project managers. Sure, smaller people involved. So but
Speaker 16: as you're saying, it's actually it's it's the builder. It's
Speaker 16: not so much the tiler here.
Speaker 3: It's it's who you paid, basically is where I would
Speaker 3: start with. So if if the invoice from the builder
Speaker 3: included the tyler's work, then I would. I would chase
Speaker 3: the builder. If you've got a separate invoice directly from
Speaker 3: the tyler who may or may not have done the waterproofing,
Speaker 3: then I would. I would do that. So I'd start
Speaker 3: there and then try that and then give me a
Speaker 3: call back and let me know if you if you
Speaker 3: don't have any luck with that, then we'll try some
Speaker 3: other avenues. But I would start there, you know, as
Speaker 3: as lbps and as business owners responsible for our work. Right,
Speaker 3: and showers shouldn't leak after seven years, you know, should
Speaker 3: they leak after twenty? Ideally not, but it's probably not unreasonable.
Speaker 3: But after seven years, I think you need to pursue them,
Speaker 3: So start there and good luck with it because it's
Speaker 3: a hell of a journey race. Good morning to you,
Speaker 3: Hey Pete.
Speaker 17: Hey mate, love your work.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bud.
Speaker 17: My questions around your credit flat?
Speaker 12: Yeah, g flat situation.
Speaker 17: So I moved into my place about six years ago.
Speaker 17: It was an existing shed on it twelve by seven
Speaker 17: sheep ten sheet on concrete slaven. It was already split
Speaker 17: in half on the internally, so that had a wall
Speaker 17: put up at about.
Speaker 10: Six meters.
Speaker 17: And length of the ship.
Speaker 3: If you get me, I'm with you, yep.
Speaker 17: And then it's it's like a hobby room out the
Speaker 17: back that by six meters by seven meters yep.
Speaker 12: As I split that.
Speaker 17: Again into two bedrooms, plus put another couple of walls
Speaker 17: up for a bathroom, so you walk through the bathroom
Speaker 17: and then walk through another door into the flat area. Gotcha,
Speaker 17: had no plumbing, so I had the plumbers come around,
Speaker 17: bag the drains and put the drains into the gally traps,
Speaker 17: took it up to the main and had that all
Speaker 17: signed off by the council.
Speaker 3: How did you get it signed off by the council?
Speaker 3: Did you get a building consent for all of this work.
Speaker 17: Now, it was through the plumber because I was doing
Speaker 17: a plumbing apprenticeship time, So I had my boss file
Speaker 17: and file for it through simply or something through to
Speaker 17: the council. And then they came around and done inspicchen
Speaker 17: on the drainage or covered it back over and then
Speaker 17: they signed it off.
Speaker 3: How could they sign it off if you didn't have
Speaker 3: a building consent? Did you only get a consent for
Speaker 3: adding drainage or waste just a drainage? And they didn't
Speaker 3: go why is it that you want to put a
Speaker 3: wastewater connection to a shed? Is that because you're putting
Speaker 3: a toilet in it? If you're putting a toilet in it,
Speaker 3: does that then become a habitable space? If it's now
Speaker 3: a habitable space but it was originally a shed, do
Speaker 3: you have a change of use? In order to get
Speaker 3: a change of use you need a building consent.
Speaker 17: Now, they never asked any of that. They just I'd
Speaker 17: just done the drainage too, and it had on the
Speaker 17: plans the toilet and the gully trap was for the
Speaker 17: washing machine for the laundry. Anyway, Yeah, that was two
Speaker 17: years ago.
Speaker 12: But I never I never got a thought.
Speaker 17: For the internal walls was the ones that I put
Speaker 17: up because there was already an internal wall and all
Speaker 17: that back area was already insulated and lined and had
Speaker 17: electrical and everything, and anyway, that was done back in
Speaker 17: two thousand, I think it was. But then the internal
Speaker 17: plumbing was the shower and the catchenette. I haven't had that.
Speaker 17: I've never got a pre line inspection on that either.
Speaker 17: But what those new laws are you still getting me
Speaker 17: to get inspections on all that stuff.
Speaker 3: No, but the new law hasn't The new law hasn't
Speaker 3: come into place yet, so and you won't get a
Speaker 3: retrospective building consent. And I would say you'd probably struggle
Speaker 3: to get a certificate of acceptance without providing a lot
Speaker 3: of documentation. So it sounds like most of what has
Speaker 3: happened there is non compliant in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: having like you do need a building consent if you're
Speaker 3: going to do change of use at the moment, and
Speaker 3: you know, if there is a building consent, you should
Speaker 3: be able to ring counsel and go, can you see
Speaker 3: me the property file and tell me all of the
Speaker 3: building consents that were issued for this property personally? And
Speaker 3: I'd be delighted if I was wrong here, But I
Speaker 3: can't see how you would get a building inspected to
Speaker 3: sign off on work given that there was no building
Speaker 3: consent sign off. Now maybe there is a limited consent,
Speaker 3: but I've never heard of them. But again, I'd be
Speaker 3: more than happy to be wrong.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd be delighted as well. But look, I think
Speaker 3: go to council, request the property file and see what's
Speaker 3: actually on there, because that'll give you an idea of
Speaker 3: what's already happened and whether or not it's compliant. But yeah, look,
Speaker 3: and I think too just going forward to what we're
Speaker 3: kind of talking about in terms of adding granny flats
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, the requirement is that you
Speaker 3: can do it without necessarily getting a building consent, but
Speaker 3: it still has to be to the building code, right,
Speaker 3: so you need to be able to fast prove compliance,
Speaker 3: which means getting a designer and etc. The challenge with
Speaker 3: the work that you've done and what's already there is
Speaker 3: that you know it was never designed to be a
Speaker 3: habitable space. So is there a vapor barrier underneath the slab?
Speaker 3: Is there installation in the walls? Is there building paper
Speaker 3: on the outis all of those things that make how
Speaker 3: a home compliant. It would be very difficult in order
Speaker 3: to prove that now, and the burden of proof is
Speaker 3: going to be on you if you wanted to go
Speaker 3: for a Steviet of acceptance. So start with the council
Speaker 3: and see how you get on from there. I'll be
Speaker 3: fascinated to see where that ends up. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. We're rocking along this morning. Actually we're
Speaker 3: going so fast I need to take a break, So
Speaker 3: we'll be back with Reece number two in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: Texts with regard to the issue that we were talking
Speaker 3: about with Paul and the bathroom that's leaking love. This
Speaker 3: one from Murray Murray, Pete, can I wring you about
Speaker 3: that shower? Of course you can, Murray, I think you're
Speaker 3: asking the wrong questions, mate. I'm a tyler thirty five
Speaker 3: years experience. I think it might not be as bad
Speaker 3: as it is. Yep, you're more than welcome direct a
Speaker 3: similar issue to the person before with the shower. The
Speaker 3: builder said the ceilant around the base of the shower
Speaker 3: will only last five years and then replace it. Doesn't
Speaker 3: sound correct from what you were saying. Well, if the
Speaker 3: seilant around the shower is deteriorating, yes, by all means,
Speaker 3: replace it and it acts as a first line of defense. However,
Speaker 3: even if water gets past the ceilant, it shouldn't then
Speaker 3: be tracking out onto the floor or through the bottom
Speaker 3: plate and be visible in the carpet some distance away
Speaker 3: from the shower. That's my point. That's where I think
Speaker 3: it's probably a failure for the waterproofing system. We'll talk
Speaker 3: about that if you wish. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call Reece A very
Speaker 3: good morning to you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning, good morning. I've run you four years ago,
Speaker 9: four years ago.
Speaker 3: Please forgive me call.
Speaker 9: I know you won't, but I'm building two of these
Speaker 9: smaller buildings, smaller than what you were talking about.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 9: Is it the moment that you put water into it,
Speaker 9: it becomes a council issue on Kevity Coast.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much the rule right now. What they're saying is, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe in certain circumstances you could put one on the
Speaker 3: back of a property if there's enough space, and it
Speaker 3: could be up to sixty square meters, and you may
Speaker 3: not need a building consent for that, which means you
Speaker 3: can do the work. It still has to comply with
Speaker 3: the building code, but you don't have to go through
Speaker 3: the regamarole of getting a consent.
Speaker 9: What about a supportable home that you've got on your place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately the law around that is as clear as mud.
Speaker 3: So there's all sorts of absurdities around the tiny home
Speaker 3: thing where people are going, look, if it's got wheels
Speaker 3: on it, therefore it's not a house, it's a caravan
Speaker 3: and it could be moved off. I was talking to
Speaker 3: someone the other day who had a tiny home delivered
Speaker 3: to site and the builder is not going to nail
Speaker 3: it down to the foundations to the because he said,
Speaker 3: as soon as I do that, then it's no longer transportable.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what, So it's just going to sit
Speaker 3: there waiting for the wind to blow it off the piles.
Speaker 3: That's not very smart either. So there's some absurdity around
Speaker 3: the existing tiny home stuff, and in this instance here
Speaker 3: the granny flat legislation will help free that up. And
Speaker 3: I look, I hope that I'm not giving the impression
Speaker 3: that somehow I don't support it. I do, actually and
Speaker 3: principles support it. I think it could open up a
Speaker 3: lot of space and allow families to have that opportunity,
Speaker 3: maybe for older parents or for you know, teenage children
Speaker 3: or extended family to find housing that's affordable right, and
Speaker 3: multi generational living, all of those sorts of things could
Speaker 3: be a really good thing from this. It's just I
Speaker 3: know that there's a lot of detail to getting a
Speaker 3: house right, and how do you get the detail right
Speaker 3: if you don't have counsel looking over your back. But
Speaker 3: maybe we should just grow up and get better at building.
Speaker 9: I was building a house and the builder walked away
Speaker 9: because got it all wrong, and the council walked away
Speaker 9: and left me with no house. That's what I rung
Speaker 9: you about four years ago. I've been doing my own
Speaker 9: legal trying to but it's too expensive to afford any lawyers.
Speaker 9: You said you were going to get backing on some
Speaker 9: of these law and a construction lawyer because the five
Speaker 9: hundred and fifty six hundred bucks an hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. All the guys that I know would
Speaker 3: be more than that. So I'm not sure if I
Speaker 3: go out much.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, unfortunate, but that's the only reason why I'm losing
Speaker 9: my case. I have engineers reports, builders reports, I took photos, emails,
Speaker 9: but it's still going since I rang you four years ago,
Speaker 9: because I did the right thing by taking the photos
Speaker 9: and doing everything.
Speaker 3: When you started building the dwellings that you've done, did
Speaker 3: you get a building consent for the work at the time?
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, yeh, it's all paid for. That's what I say.
Speaker 9: The council even I wasn't built to consent, The builders
Speaker 9: didn't build to consent, and the council didn't inspect.
Speaker 3: How did the council not inspect?
Speaker 9: They come up and failed the first inspection, they never
Speaker 9: inspected anything else and see the builds to carry on.
Speaker 12: They got it all wrong.
Speaker 9: Now I got an engineer's report, builders reports say it's
Speaker 9: not even built to the building consent.
Speaker 3: Okay, so really this is about suing the builder for
Speaker 3: building non compliantly.
Speaker 9: No, the council let them build. No, no, no dudior
Speaker 9: care responsibility.
Speaker 3: Look, I can see why counsel are not going to
Speaker 3: engage with you on that. In the end, if let's
Speaker 3: say the first building inspection failed and maybe you as
Speaker 3: the client didn't know about it, and your builder carried
Speaker 3: on working knowing that they had failed the first inspection,
Speaker 3: then perhaps they just carried on building, didn't get any
Speaker 3: other inspections. That's got nothing to do with council. That's
Speaker 3: all down to the builder.
Speaker 9: So I was supposed to do when you get a
Speaker 9: building consent, you get the processes from MB that the
Speaker 9: guidelines that say the council have to inspect the rio
Speaker 9: and the state, they had to inspect such and such
Speaker 9: and such and such.
Speaker 3: They do, But council will only come for inspection when
Speaker 3: they're called to come to sit by the builder.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 3: I called them, you called them, and when they failed.
Speaker 9: I took photos and thought was wrong?
Speaker 3: Right? But when when when the inspection failed, how did
Speaker 3: the builder carry on working?
Speaker 9: Then that's right. The council will in carry on. If
Speaker 9: I've got an email saying no, you can carry on,
Speaker 9: that's sort of satisfactory. You can carry on, but you
Speaker 9: need to have photos, documents, and you know, do all
Speaker 9: that and take photos documents, or the building ever did
Speaker 9: and the council in the come and inspect.
Speaker 3: Were the council asked to come back and inspect you.
Speaker 9: I asked them to come back inspired it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but did they turn up?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 2: That's why. That's why.
Speaker 9: That's why I'm going through this.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 9: Why didn't I?
Speaker 18: That's right?
Speaker 9: And then when they finally turned up because I had
Speaker 9: an engineer's report, it was too late. The builder knew
Speaker 9: that he was caught, even said to me the emails
Speaker 9: he's got all wrong and took off right. So and
Speaker 9: I did nothing to come up and noticed the fix,
Speaker 9: but too late the builder had gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the hard thing is and I is
Speaker 3: that it's really the way in which the builder has
Speaker 3: managed the project, and potentially the way in which you've
Speaker 3: managed the builder.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 9: Now, I asked for the council to come come and
Speaker 9: check it. This, you know, I could say it was.
Speaker 3: When you say you asked for the council to come
Speaker 3: out and do an inspection, hand on heart. I've never
Speaker 3: had a situation where if I've booked a building inspection,
Speaker 3: they haven't turned up, right, So are you saying you
Speaker 3: booked a building inspection and then the building council or
Speaker 3: the building control officer didn't turn up.
Speaker 9: The council said the requirements were but the builder didn't
Speaker 9: go to those requirements, and then later on past the
Speaker 9: piece one or Pierce two or piers four, whatever you
Speaker 9: want to call it. Yeah, I trust that these things
Speaker 9: were done.
Speaker 3: And so when you came to the final inspection, I'm
Speaker 3: presuming your final inspection failed.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 9: No, well they didn't finish the building, and the building
Speaker 9: gets out of it. It didn't take photos, didn't document anything.
Speaker 9: But because they didn't finish it, he didn't have to.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 9: That's the excuse of getting.
Speaker 3: Out of my I have a massive manner of sympathy
Speaker 3: for where you're at. But I think chasing counsel for
Speaker 3: something that is obviously the builder's fault is going to
Speaker 3: mean you're not going to have any joy with counsel.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 3: You will be banging your head against the brick wall. There.
Speaker 9: I've got I've got them in court, but I can't
Speaker 9: afford a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got much deeper.
Speaker 9: Pou look at it. The judge look at it and said,
Speaker 9: oh yes, yeah, okay, this is here. I can see
Speaker 9: because when you look at the what the builders did, how.
Speaker 3: Much more spent on legal fees so far?
Speaker 9: Ah, I'm broke, grimy broke. That's why I was asking
Speaker 9: if there's any lawyers that maybe could help, because this
Speaker 9: is ridiculous how they can pass a PS for whatever
Speaker 9: you call a PS two one on trust when I
Speaker 9: have photos, documents of everything. I'm a boilermaker, So I
Speaker 9: took photos. I knew things weren't right, so I took
Speaker 9: photos and went to the council with them.
Speaker 3: I'm going to hand you back to even a producer.
Speaker 3: Leave your number, no, no, no, you're all good. No no, don't, don't,
Speaker 3: don't run away. Leave your number so I can contact
Speaker 3: you or leave an email. Yes, if if anyone wants
Speaker 3: to contact me who might want to help you out,
Speaker 3: then by all means people can do that. So let's
Speaker 3: let's see if we can get someone to have a
Speaker 3: look at it. But I can see this being an
Speaker 3: incredibly tangled web, and I suspect that you trying to
Speaker 3: get some redress from counsel is just not going to
Speaker 3: happen somehow unfortunately. But and this is where I get
Speaker 3: angry with shonky builders. Right, you know someone who's probably
Speaker 3: out of their depth goes ahead? Does poor quality work
Speaker 3: be interesting to know whether they were ever a licensed
Speaker 3: building practitioner. They should have been, because back then, four
Speaker 3: years ago, for the last teen twelve, fourteen years, you
Speaker 3: can't do restricted work without being a licensed building practitioner.
Speaker 3: So if they've still got a current license, you could
Speaker 3: take them to the disciplinary board. You could try and
Speaker 3: soothe them. That would be a better avenue than trying
Speaker 3: to sue council. I suspect oh eight one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty the number to call needs to take
Speaker 3: a quick break, then we'll talk to Tony in tell.
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Speaker 3: That'd be someone's text through pet stopped defending councils and gisbond.
Speaker 3: We've got a leaky apartment building that council signed off
Speaker 3: way back in two thousand and sevenish when things went right.
Speaker 3: Fast forward sixteen years and it needs a lot of work.
Speaker 3: I'm not defending counsel. I'm just in that particular instance there.
Speaker 3: You know, seriously, you can't tell me that you ring
Speaker 3: up and you book a building inspection and the building
Speaker 3: inspector doesn't turn up, and if they don't, typically they'll
Speaker 3: ring you or they'll delay it or something like that.
Speaker 3: But to say that they didn't come and inspect it
Speaker 3: if you had booked them properly doesn't just doesn't stack up.
Speaker 3: Doesn't pass the sniff test for me, Tony.
Speaker 14: Good morning, Yeah, good morning, Peter.
Speaker 7: I've got a concrete block garage which has got.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 7: It's leaking through the concrete block. Wolves is there any
Speaker 7: way you can seal it from the inside.
Speaker 3: And I presume where it's leaking from the outside wall,
Speaker 3: it's because that's acting as a retaining wall and so
Speaker 3: moisture is whicking through the wall and into the inside space.
Speaker 7: Correct. Yeah, the retaining the neighbor's wall, and it's got
Speaker 7: a shed on top.
Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, there are products that you can apply
Speaker 3: to the inside face that work. They migrate through so
Speaker 3: by all means, have a look online. But for example,
Speaker 3: something like sea Mix crystal proof, which is a product
Speaker 3: that can be applied that then penetrates into the masonry,
Speaker 3: and the crystals that are part of the compound are
Speaker 3: activated when they encounter moisture and expand and eventually fill
Speaker 3: up all of the pores that allow the moisture to
Speaker 3: come through. So thats C E M I X C
Speaker 3: E mix. The is the brand, and then the product
Speaker 3: is called crystal. It's everywhere. You'll be able to find it,
Speaker 3: no trouble at all. Have a bit of a read
Speaker 3: about how it works and why it works. The other
Speaker 3: thing that I point out, just for people listening, is
Speaker 3: that I've seen cases where people have applied waterproof and
Speaker 3: compound to the inside wall that's designed to resist water
Speaker 3: by having water pressing against it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: I'll explain that after the break because it takes a
Speaker 3: little bit. And if you'd like to text during the break,
Speaker 3: hew'd you put a sixty square meter grannie flat on
Speaker 3: your property as it is the place that you are
Speaker 3: inhabiting right now, could you do that? I'm loving the
Speaker 3: completely unscientific pole we're running this morning. Surprising number of yesses.
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely surprised. We'll come back to that after the
Speaker 3: news sport and we're the top of the.
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Speaker 3: It's been a ripper of a morning. Thank you, folks.
Speaker 3: It's not over yet. By the way, we will have
Speaker 3: rid climb passed along at about eight thirty. The text
Speaker 3: messages has been going off because I've asked this really
Speaker 3: completely unscientific, unresearched, lacking and verification poll that we're running.
Speaker 3: But it's been quite intriguing. Could you put a sixty
Speaker 3: square meter sleep out on your existing property? We you
Speaker 3: are today, look out the window and gok on there.
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people that could,
Speaker 3: which perhaps reflects the fact that I spend too much
Speaker 3: time in the city because I cruise around and I go,
Speaker 3: I can't see where they're going to go. But judging
Speaker 3: by this and I right now, I would say more
Speaker 3: people said yes to that question than said no, which
Speaker 3: I found really fascinating. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Just a very quick
Speaker 3: comment around because it's it's an issue that we've talked
Speaker 3: about quite a number of times. So just before the news,
Speaker 3: Tony Rang said, Look, I've got an older basement with
Speaker 3: a concrete wall and it's got soil behind it, so
Speaker 3: it's acting as a retaining wall. I can't get behind
Speaker 3: the water the wall to waterproof that, but water is
Speaker 3: getting through. Can I put something on the inside, Yes,
Speaker 3: you can, And there's a number of different products. But
Speaker 3: this is what I encountered not long ago looking at
Speaker 3: a job where some people had applied a waterproofing compound
Speaker 3: to the inside of the wall, but it had failed.
Speaker 3: And the reason it had failed is because it was
Speaker 3: a waterproofing compound that's designed to have water pressing against it,
Speaker 3: i e. Blocks waterproofing water outside whereas and so it's
Speaker 3: designed to resist water pressing against it, and it has
Speaker 3: a waterproofing membrane is then pushed against the substrate against
Speaker 3: the block work by the water pressure on the outset side.
Speaker 3: And it's designed that way. If you put it on
Speaker 3: the inside and water comes through the wall, it will
Speaker 3: press the water off. That's how it works. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: kind of how it works. Oh, one hundred eighty ten
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Uh Lorraine, thank you
Speaker 3: very much for waiting.
Speaker 13: Yeah, hi, hi Pete. Just a quick question Foost of
Speaker 13: all recouncils. Oh, you wouldn't believe what to Dollar City
Speaker 13: Council subcour They are my daughter and someone or bought
Speaker 13: a house which had a code of complaints. Then they
Speaker 13: bought it and then when they went to sell out,
Speaker 13: it didn't have one. And they queried the council what's
Speaker 13: going on, and they said, they don't know. There's no
Speaker 13: papers to show this a complaints And so they checked
Speaker 13: down the person they bought it off, and she said, oh,
Speaker 13: we had that trouble too. We just said it for us.
Speaker 13: So they gave a compliance to the people to cell
Speaker 13: and then took it off again. Hang on would not
Speaker 13: they would not back down. So my daughter and a
Speaker 13: husband hit one hundred grand to tricks to their water leaking.
Speaker 2: Health hold on.
Speaker 3: So a a code compliance certificate was issued for a
Speaker 3: property yep, and then it was withdrawn yep.
Speaker 13: And the guy that did it still groups at the council.
Speaker 13: So they approached three or four different lawyers, but they
Speaker 13: all worked to the council and so they all take
Speaker 13: out and then they found this one lawyer that said,
Speaker 13: did not chase. They're not going to follow it because
Speaker 13: when they did finally sell, they got one hundred grands
Speaker 13: more than what they ease. Health prices have gone up,
Speaker 13: but that's really.
Speaker 8: Not the point.
Speaker 13: And yeah, so the councilors got.
Speaker 19: Up Scott's free.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look to be fair, you know, like people have texted
Speaker 3: and goes, oh, you should stop defending counsel. I'm not
Speaker 3: defending counsel. I'm not saying no, no, no, But look,
Speaker 3: you know what's really intriguing is that a number of
Speaker 3: people are pushing back. Right, So you know, we tend
Speaker 3: to have this approach where if council says that it's
Speaker 3: blue and it's red, then they're right, and people are
Speaker 3: pushing back. There's a great story and stuff recently about
Speaker 3: a landowner, a guy who had some industrial property where
Speaker 3: there was a retaining wall on the boundary. Council came along,
Speaker 3: saw that it was dangerous, issued and notice to fix
Speaker 3: to him, and he went, not my problem, and they went, yes,
Speaker 3: it is, we're issuing you had noticed to fix. He
Speaker 3: went inb got a determination and the determination was actually, counsel,
Speaker 3: you're wrong. You can't issue a notice to fix that person.
Speaker 3: The response from Hamilton City Council was while we're reviewing
Speaker 3: the decision. So you know, we're all fallible, right, So
Speaker 3: but you know, to have a code of compliance issued
Speaker 3: and then to have it withdrawn seems to me the
Speaker 3: sort of thing that you would want to take to
Speaker 3: mb for example, and get them to investigate it. Because
Speaker 3: good to remember that councils are a territorial authority and
Speaker 3: they are issued a license to operate as a building
Speaker 3: Cossent Authority a b c A by the government. Now,
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago christ Church City Council had
Speaker 3: their warrant to be a b c A was removed
Speaker 3: by government because for whatever reason. So you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's not like they are a law unto themselves. They
Speaker 3: have to act within the law, and I would be
Speaker 3: incredibly I mean, I've never heard of a situation where
Speaker 3: a CCC has been issued and then it's been withdrawn.
Speaker 3: And if it was with drawn, surely that responsibility would
Speaker 3: fall with council. That's the sagre to go to.
Speaker 13: Nby because it won't costing that way. So I'm going
Speaker 13: to come that.
Speaker 14: My problem.
Speaker 13: You've got a cent and I wanted to replace the
Speaker 13: element and jewelry, but the unboilder said I can't. Well,
Speaker 13: I have to replace the clothing as well because you
Speaker 13: have to build a cavity, which I have. And then
Speaker 13: the other bolder said, no, you can just put new
Speaker 13: windows done. And then he said you just cut the
Speaker 13: windows dow he reasons exploded the deal and we go
Speaker 13: to rechlad and you can do it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I would say this if you're doing like for Lake.
Speaker 3: I mean that your builders right in the sense that
Speaker 3: if you were recladding, and you were doing an extensive reclad,
Speaker 3: then typically in order to comply with the code today,
Speaker 3: you would need to have your cladding on a cavity system,
Speaker 3: most likely, in which case the jowinery would either have
Speaker 3: to have specific flashings or it would need to be
Speaker 3: removed and put further out to allow the pladding to
Speaker 3: tuck in behind the extrusion.
Speaker 13: But if it is just so, you can do that
Speaker 13: and then you know later on because the plating's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 13: but the leming journey is flat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so if the joinery is, and chances are
Speaker 3: the jowinery will be what we call face fixed, right,
Speaker 3: So the cladding will be behind the extrusion of the joinery,
Speaker 3: and then the joinery is pushed against the cladding whatever
Speaker 3: the cladding happens to be, in which case you could
Speaker 3: pull out the architraves on the inside, cut through all
Speaker 3: the fixings, pull the window out from the outside. That's
Speaker 3: probably easier than it said, than done. But typically you
Speaker 3: can remove the joinery, install new jowinery, do it in
Speaker 3: accordance with the code in terms of aircl and flashings
Speaker 3: and a wands bar if that's required or something like that.
Speaker 3: But I don't see that you would necessarily require a
Speaker 3: building consent for that.
Speaker 13: If it's like for like and you don't have to
Speaker 13: do a cavity, I.
Speaker 3: Can't see why you would have to do a cavity. Well,
Speaker 3: you would if you were changing the cladding. But if
Speaker 3: you're only changing the joinery and you're not touching the cladding.
Speaker 13: Well, the one buller said you can't do the joiners
Speaker 13: without doing the clading. He said that you can, don't.
Speaker 13: He doesn't understand. The second builder doesn't understand the first guy.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I just think that I mean it would be interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, again, with those sorts of situations, you can't.
Speaker 3: It's it shouldn't just be an opinion, right, It's got
Speaker 3: to be an opinion based on fact. So if you
Speaker 3: were wanting to still engage with the first builder, you'd go, hey,
Speaker 3: hang on, why you know, why is that? Which part
Speaker 3: of the legislation do you think applies to this? Show
Speaker 3: me where in the building code or in three six
Speaker 3: o four or whatever you feel that that's a requirement.
Speaker 3: I just don't see it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, that's good. That's put my mind at rest.
Speaker 13: Can into one hundred grands?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, so you're wanting to do the
Speaker 3: right thing and upgrade the joinery, good on you, but
Speaker 3: that shouldn't necessarily trigger removal of all of the clouding.
Speaker 18: You know.
Speaker 3: Look, if I was unkind, I might suggest that the
Speaker 3: builder is looking to expand the job for their own gain.
Speaker 3: But it seems me, seems to me that it's unnecessary.
Speaker 13: Well, you did say that if you've then they have
Speaker 13: to take all one of those out again to reach
Speaker 13: mad because then we have to build the cavity. And
Speaker 13: that's what the second s said too. He said that
Speaker 13: it was big jail to take.
Speaker 3: Taking two Well, probably won't take ten minutes, but yes,
Speaker 3: you could potentially do it later on. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: you know, in a perfect world you'd go, hey, why
Speaker 3: don't we do everything all at once? But that's also
Speaker 3: then expanding the job from forty grand to one hundred grand,
Speaker 3: and that might not be a resources you have right now.
Speaker 3: You may be, you know, for good reason.
Speaker 13: So oh it's great.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, the very missed you very much. Take care.
Speaker 3: We'll be back with Jason in just a moment. It is,
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Speaker 3: Just looking at the I asked a question just after
Speaker 3: seven o'clock around I'm just curious, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think there's been as much discussion in the media about
Speaker 3: building and building regulations in the last couple of years
Speaker 3: as there has been over the last six months, let's say.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that emerged a couple of
Speaker 3: months weeks ago was the proposal to add sixty square
Speaker 3: meter granny flat. And that's not a pejorative, right, that's
Speaker 3: just a way of describing this particular type of building
Speaker 3: to residential properties without necessarily requiring building consent. Resource consent
Speaker 3: still needs to complow the building code still needs to
Speaker 3: be done by licensed building practitioners or trusted building professionals.
Speaker 3: I think is the phrase. And I was just curious
Speaker 3: as to, like, realistically, how many properties would actually be
Speaker 3: able to accommodate that. Now, it's the sort of thing
Speaker 3: that I might be interested in. I can't fit that
Speaker 3: on the property that I live on. My neighbors probably couldn't,
Speaker 3: My other neighbors couldn't. The neighbors behind us possibly could.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. So I was kind of looking
Speaker 3: at going Actually, okay, I understand why you would float
Speaker 3: the idea, but in reality, how many of these will
Speaker 3: actually get built? And will it make an appreciable difference
Speaker 3: to housing supply in particular and in that sense housing
Speaker 3: affordability as well. So the question was, could you and
Speaker 3: the property that you currently occupy add a sixty square
Speaker 3: meter granny flat to the property that would be compliant
Speaker 3: so you know, can't be within a certain distance of
Speaker 3: the boundary, et cetera, et ceter And I would say,
Speaker 3: right now, it's probably running at about sixty percent yes,
Speaker 3: which I wasn't expecting. So it's been useful as an insight.
Speaker 3: Every now and then I will do these completely unscientific,
Speaker 3: unveiry fight untested polls because I quite enjoy them to
Speaker 3: be fair and I do find them quite insightful. Maybe
Speaker 3: we should do one on H one regulations next week.
Speaker 3: Let's do that. I'll set that up now. Next week,
Speaker 3: you vote yes or no. Should the government look at
Speaker 3: changing H one requirements like literally winding back the legislation?
Speaker 3: So the new standards came in to play from November
Speaker 3: of last year, requiring often more installation et cetera, et
Speaker 3: cetera into building, So higher requirements on energy efficiency in
Speaker 3: new builds as reflecting H one of the Building Code. Yes,
Speaker 3: we'll know to that. We'll do that next week on
Speaker 3: the show. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 3: the number to call. Last building question. Then we're into
Speaker 3: the garden with a red climb pass from Make thirty. Jason,
Speaker 3: Good morning to you.
Speaker 2: Here you go, good things.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 8: Just wondering. I've got a garage and it's on a
Speaker 8: brick garage, just a single garage, and it's right on
Speaker 8: the boundary of my place and the neighbors, and I
Speaker 8: want to take it down, and I've mentioned to my
Speaker 8: neighbor about me or you can't take it down because
Speaker 8: your side wall is the back hall of my lean
Speaker 8: to that somebody has built previous years before we were
Speaker 8: both there. There you get on there.
Speaker 3: Fascinating, but there's a number of approaches. One is, does
Speaker 3: either of those dwellings have a building consent.
Speaker 6: For?
Speaker 8: Probably not from back in the nineteen thirty towers? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'd imagine the lean to wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Which of those two structures is the one that was
Speaker 3: built first?
Speaker 8: Well, it'll be there. I'm your gar again that the
Speaker 8: garage was. And then people before us had said, well,
Speaker 8: I'm going to build a shed, can I use Can
Speaker 8: I just build off your side wall and just build
Speaker 8: this wee lean to off the side. And I've talked
Speaker 8: to a builder and he said, oh, we'll just come
Speaker 8: in and we'll just take the whole bloody thing down
Speaker 8: and be done with it. And it's not yours, it's
Speaker 8: not yah, it's all fault.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, I know we always want to
Speaker 3: be good neighbors and all the rest of it, but
Speaker 3: I would probably take the same approach that I think
Speaker 3: that the fact that a neighbor has taken the liberty
Speaker 3: of you know, bolting a ribbon plate and pitching some
Speaker 3: rafters and putting a roof on it and then going, hey,
Speaker 3: that's my shed. Well yeah, okay, I'll leave your ship there,
Speaker 3: but I'm taking my wall away.
Speaker 8: And then and then the other to the other thing
Speaker 8: that I think said if I was to do that,
Speaker 8: he might be a pain. And you know, if I
Speaker 8: want to put another garage up, or you know, like
Speaker 8: does it how close can it go to you know,
Speaker 8: or will I have to be whatever two meters or
Speaker 8: a meter off the boundary and all that?
Speaker 2: Will he you know, he might certainly.
Speaker 3: If you a pain, Like if you went for a
Speaker 3: building consent and a resource consent for a new building
Speaker 3: in the same location on the boundary, and the simplest
Speaker 3: way to get that would be get an affected party
Speaker 3: to consent to it. And the affected party is the
Speaker 3: one where you've just pulled down half their building. I
Speaker 3: think human nature would say that you're unlikely to get
Speaker 3: his signature or her signature on that document, right, So
Speaker 3: there's a bit of there's a bit of psychology. There's
Speaker 3: a bit of human relations at play here.
Speaker 8: But he was trying to get me to get them
Speaker 8: to the brick and leave that side wall up just
Speaker 8: so that he could keep his his back.
Speaker 3: All of us said, yeah, I mean, look, you could
Speaker 3: do that if somehow that I mean, is it going
Speaker 3: to is it going to stay up?
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: Do you want that on your structure? I think you
Speaker 3: know the thing is to go to him and just
Speaker 3: go Actually, does that building have a consent? Does it
Speaker 3: comply with the code? If it had a consent, then
Speaker 3: you probably can't touch it. But I suspect that doesn't
Speaker 3: have a consent and it's it post dates yours, in
Speaker 3: which case I think he's just going to have to
Speaker 3: accept the fact that he's been able to use something
Speaker 3: that he should see as an incidental bonus rather than
Speaker 3: a right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would be my approach. But hey, look, you know
Speaker 3: we also always want to try and be good neighbors.
Speaker 3: So I understand that it's as simple as just flicking
Speaker 3: them the burden, pulling down the fence, the carriage. And again,
Speaker 3: if you're building on the boundary, you definitely need a
Speaker 3: building consent. You can build one meter away from the boundary.
Speaker 3: You still need a building consent for that, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily need to be fire rated, which makes the
Speaker 3: structure a bit simpler in terms of building building. You know,
Speaker 3: with the extension to what you can build under Schedule
Speaker 3: one of the Act, typically you have to be the
Speaker 3: height of the building away from the boundary in order
Speaker 3: for it to not require a building consent. Then suddenly
Speaker 3: you'd be you know, that's a lot of wasted space,
Speaker 3: isn't it. Oh, you could part the boat. There, good
Speaker 3: excuse to buy a boat. All right, mate, all the best,
Speaker 3: take you, I see you then bye way, Ah cricky,
Speaker 3: let's get into the garden. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
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Speaker 20: Good morning. Rude is here too, Isn't that a lovely
Speaker 20: thing to do?
Speaker 3: Is running where you are?
Speaker 20: It's a gorgeous day, actually it's it was very cold,
Speaker 20: it's it's quite blue skyish and all that. But seeing
Speaker 20: we're waiting for some I noticed a caller, but we
Speaker 20: need some more callers, so befoid, I just want to
Speaker 20: tell you a story that I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 20: I've got I had some I have some really good
Speaker 20: Dutch friends that I've known almost from the day I
Speaker 20: came into New Zealand. And Dawn, she lives in tarot
Speaker 20: And in the Taroo region. She told me the story
Speaker 20: that I'd totally forgotten about. And she asked me this
Speaker 20: question about bulbs. How to do bulbs and how to
Speaker 20: you know, you have to call them down in the
Speaker 20: to get a nice cold winter over winter dry in
Speaker 20: the fridge. Okay, that sort of stuff. So I just
Speaker 20: came from the Netherlands, and I said, well, you put
Speaker 20: them in the freezer there?
Speaker 2: You do you know the fridge there?
Speaker 20: Do you know where this is going?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: I can imagine, well, well you can imagine.
Speaker 20: So the frize. There's a French word that's used in
Speaker 20: Dutch for the fridge actually, but it's also about where
Speaker 20: the freezer is. And this this was where the she
Speaker 20: puts them in the freezer and they they were mushy,
Speaker 20: and she told me that after about fifty years of
Speaker 20: living in New Zeald. You know, I never told you
Speaker 20: this story. That was a really stupid advice.
Speaker 3: But could you put them in the fridge, not the freezer.
Speaker 20: It's got to be the fridge. It's got to be
Speaker 20: the fridge in a paper bag to literally give them
Speaker 20: this overwintering site. But Dawn put them in the freezer
Speaker 20: because I probably said freezer, thinking oh that's the word.
Speaker 6: But it wasn't.
Speaker 20: Classic learning English.
Speaker 3: Funny that you mentioned that, because my sister was talking
Speaker 3: about planting bulbs the other day and you know the
Speaker 3: issue was that it just doesn't get that cold in
Speaker 3: Auckland and it certainly doesn't get that cold and Wayhiki,
Speaker 3: so you know where she's got this magnificent garden. She
Speaker 3: sent a good gardener.
Speaker 20: Lovely when it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was all about timing. We were talking,
Speaker 3: were seeing mum the other day and it was like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: I got to wait right till the end because I
Speaker 3: put them in now they'll just go crazy way too it.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I love that. Those are the stories that you think, gosh,
Speaker 20: those are the old days. Oh, by the way. And
Speaker 20: Tony her husband was a builder, and he I remember
Speaker 20: building with him, build in front of my house. This
Speaker 20: is in the day before there were consent.
Speaker 2: Do you know that?
Speaker 20: You don't even go there?
Speaker 3: I love it. Right now, let's get amongst the calls.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties that number to call Hello, Alistair?
Speaker 14: Gooday?
Speaker 2: What can we do for you?
Speaker 14: Day here? Not a very good day here? It's raining
Speaker 14: right hell.
Speaker 20: I can't help you with that, I'm afraid, Alice. I've
Speaker 20: tried that, but it never worked me neither.
Speaker 14: You're right. Look, I want to talk to you about
Speaker 14: strawberries and my strawberries. I've grown strawberries here for years
Speaker 14: and years and years, and they've usually been terrific. Now,
Speaker 14: the last season we had terrific plants. There were very
Speaker 14: healthy plants and bushy and everything, but very few strawberries.
Speaker 14: And I'm wondering now what to do about that, because
Speaker 14: I want to put some. I'm just about to dig them.
Speaker 20: Up, dig the man I did them or replant them
Speaker 20: or something.
Speaker 14: Replant yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't know. First of all,
Speaker 14: the plants are there and they're still very bushy, but
Speaker 14: they've got lots of runners. Can I use the runners
Speaker 14: for the new season?
Speaker 20: Alistair? I've used runners all my life. Last year, last
Speaker 20: year was a crappy year in which I had virtually
Speaker 20: no strawberries at all. I have no I was going
Speaker 20: to ask you the same question.
Speaker 14: Yeah, same.
Speaker 20: I don't know what happened last year. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 20: but I'm having another goal.
Speaker 14: Yep, yeah, I'm having another goal. Strawberries. Yeah, I can hear.
Speaker 20: We're talking over each other. On get on with it.
Speaker 14: Yes, we had very few strawberries. There are big, beautiful strawberries,
Speaker 14: but there are only a very few of them.
Speaker 20: Funny that camarosa and all the things that I used
Speaker 20: to used to have, there's quite a few nice varieties
Speaker 20: that I can grow here in Canterbury, and they were
Speaker 20: they were a pain in the bum last year. There
Speaker 20: was nothing happening. The birds would get the rest, et cetera,
Speaker 20: et cetera, et cetera. I do not know what it is.
Speaker 20: I think what I'm going to do in the next
Speaker 20: month or so is put a whole lot of new
Speaker 20: top soil on and and start again if you like,
Speaker 20: you know, but also keep those keep those runners going,
Speaker 20: because that's what your new varieties are. But I'm going
Speaker 20: to get some new anyway, blow it. I'm going to
Speaker 20: drinks and get some Yeah, that's all I'm going to Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 20: you can use those as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and maybe make a few new new plants and
Speaker 14: with them.
Speaker 20: Yes, do and also dig the stuff up for a change,
Speaker 20: get some nice organic material in their compost da DA data,
Speaker 20: and and see if next year is going to be
Speaker 20: better this coming season.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So, so I got a big pile of melch here,
Speaker 14: for example, I dig that in with the compost.
Speaker 20: What sort of multi is that?
Speaker 7: By the way, it's just old.
Speaker 14: Old, old wood that's been ground up and that's setting
Speaker 14: just setting there.
Speaker 20: Are you sure you would use that? I would probably
Speaker 20: use organic material like compost rather than the than the
Speaker 20: wood because when the case it takes, it takes quite
Speaker 20: a bit of nitrogen out of the soil as well. Yeah,
Speaker 20: I think so. Yeah, And that means that the soil
Speaker 20: condition is not as fabulous for strawberries, as for instance,
Speaker 20: a good organic material, sure.
Speaker 14: Sure, sure? And and what else would you use to
Speaker 14: sort of give them a bit of bit of life?
Speaker 20: It's very simple. But what I tend to use is
Speaker 20: a liquid fertilizer from wet and forget. It's called seafood
Speaker 20: soup or seaweed tea. In this case, I mix them up. No,
Speaker 20: I don't mixed up. I alternate them one one week
Speaker 20: I do the seafood soup. The next week I do
Speaker 20: the seaweed tea.
Speaker 14: Okay, that's what I want, Thank you very U.
Speaker 7: You know what I do.
Speaker 20: I use those both those materials in a watering can,
Speaker 20: and I do a little bit of it in the
Speaker 20: ten liters watering can so that it looks like really
Speaker 20: weak tea, not too strong, like really you know that
Speaker 20: light brown wiki tea, that stopy stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 20: what it's. You not too much, eager, easy, Okay.
Speaker 3: You have a great ta take care. Oh one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty ten, And you've got a couple of spell
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Speaker 19: Good morning, good morning. I've been mean to ringing last
Speaker 19: two weekends working on beginning, but we've got some popcorn
Speaker 19: scale and sick on our orange mix an orange blossom.
Speaker 19: We can't sin. We get rid of it spready with
Speaker 19: conger oil several times. But the leafy part of the
Speaker 19: plant's really healthy, but the wooden part's just covered in it.
Speaker 20: Ah, okay, so this is the this is this is
Speaker 20: in the and uh, this is not an edible plant,
Speaker 20: of course it's it's it's yeah, I know. So for
Speaker 20: that reason, what I would choose is a material that's
Speaker 20: come out a couple of years ago, and it's called
Speaker 20: grow ventive. So g R O V E n T
Speaker 20: I ve grow ventive. Okay, that is that's a pretty
Speaker 20: good material for scale and sex and meadi bugs and
Speaker 20: a fits and things like that.
Speaker 19: It's quite strange. A spread it several times with the conqueror,
Speaker 19: but it just doesn't seem to And the green of
Speaker 19: the plant is still quite lash and green and lovely,
Speaker 19: but the wooden pats just covered on and the popcorn
Speaker 19: scale don't see that they're doing anything.
Speaker 20: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 20: The grov grow ventive is a material that is being
Speaker 20: taken up by the plant and goes through the system
Speaker 20: upon which those particular scales feed. So they feed on
Speaker 20: the flowam, the floam which is part of the system
Speaker 20: inside the leaves and inside the twigs, and that will
Speaker 20: be then, if you like, poisoned by the grow ventive.
Speaker 20: So they literally eat a material that that kills them.
Speaker 20: And it's it's systemic, as we call it. It goes
Speaker 20: into the plant and it is a really good material
Speaker 20: to stop it from being sucked upon by these step
Speaker 20: sucking creatures. You cannot use grow ventive on edible crops,
Speaker 20: but you can do it on ornamental crops.
Speaker 6: That's great, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 20: It'll work well, yeah, it works fabulously. I've tried it
Speaker 20: so many times. It's it's it's really really good and
Speaker 20: really quick too. It goes within a couple of weeks.
Speaker 20: And if you think that those things are not you
Speaker 20: go on.
Speaker 19: I was gonna say, my wife was at the station
Speaker 19: and I pull out the whole bloody's hinge.
Speaker 14: Side.
Speaker 20: No need to, no need to. You can save it.
Speaker 20: You'll be the hero of the day.
Speaker 18: I'm already the hero.
Speaker 3: Bye bye, beautiful, beautiful, probably been married fifty years. That right,
Speaker 3: we will take a short break. Actually, fist up tixt
Speaker 3: please give advice on what to feed higherbiscus.
Speaker 20: Ah, depends on how high it is. It could be
Speaker 20: a low biscus. Now I'm joking. I at this stage,
Speaker 20: I wouldn't feed anything yet. As such, the soil, you
Speaker 20: can put stuff on the soil. I talked to Jack
Speaker 20: about it yesterday with potash, with the ash from fires.
Speaker 20: I put that on because I keep that actually in
Speaker 20: the top layers of the soil, and it doesn't really
Speaker 20: go away that quickly. Well yeah, within a couple of months,
Speaker 20: but you know, by the time that the temperatures are
Speaker 20: going up, that is when a plant starts to take
Speaker 20: in the nutrients. So at the moment it's dormant. No
Speaker 20: point in fertilizing until.
Speaker 3: It's a bit warmer, right, which will be when.
Speaker 20: Depends on where you are exactly. Yeah, no, yeah, you
Speaker 20: know what I mean. It's it's it's really say. For me,
Speaker 20: it would be here late August, early September, I started looking.
Speaker 3: Like August, well late augustus next month.
Speaker 14: I know.
Speaker 20: But you know, don't waste your time and your money
Speaker 20: by putting stuff in the ground that is not being
Speaker 20: used by the plants, because they're very ungrateful little more,
Speaker 20: and so don't take it. You know and you pay
Speaker 20: for it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, fair enough one dutchment or another right forty two.
Speaker 3: We'll be back after the.
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Speaker 3: Is now a good time to be doing some planting.
Speaker 20: Yes, if you have a Tunguel house for instance, where
Speaker 20: I am.
Speaker 3: No, I'm thinking about like proper outdoor planting trees.
Speaker 6: Yes, it is.
Speaker 20: It's excellent. This is to plant. This is why all
Speaker 20: these organizations that restore New Zealand are basically having their
Speaker 20: Saturday's gone. We had one in Hallswell Quarry like yesterday,
Speaker 20: and of course Nigel told me that I wasn't there.
Speaker 20: He was right because I forgot. Oh gosh, you golly,
Speaker 20: now those are exactly and there were about seventy or
Speaker 20: eighty people, I think, and this is really cool stuff
Speaker 20: because that's what it's. This is what your environment is.
Speaker 20: Next time you come in Christ, here's Peter. I'll show
Speaker 20: you what happened over the last twenty five years in
Speaker 20: that particular quarry, because that is now becoming a real
Speaker 20: cool bird paradise. There's lizards, there's all of amazing bugs
Speaker 20: and things like that. It is really really good and
Speaker 20: it's all done by the people of Hallswell. If you're
Speaker 20: like of West Southwest.
Speaker 3: How much has changed Because I was down there Shivers
Speaker 3: six seven years ago actually filming a little piece in
Speaker 3: the quarry there. We just needed somewhere to sit and
Speaker 3: have a chat with the people that we were filming,
Speaker 3: and I remember sort of seeing the emergence of all
Speaker 3: of this restoration, this ecological restoration and sort of interesting.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right. If you go around the country
Speaker 3: these days, I think that there is there are just
Speaker 3: literally thousands of people out working in their community doing
Speaker 3: planting at the moment. It is so massive.
Speaker 20: It's great and I would like to say thank you
Speaker 20: New Zealanders because it's done by all of us. So
Speaker 20: we're banding birds we do bird banding in their quarry,
Speaker 20: for instance, and we train other people, dock people and
Speaker 20: comes from people how to do that with nuts and
Speaker 20: how to put things around their rings, around their legs
Speaker 20: and all that. And we are now starting to find
Speaker 20: more and more and more birds there and it is
Speaker 20: absolutely stunning yet great.
Speaker 3: He just I'm curious about you using the ash from
Speaker 3: the wood burner or from the fire.
Speaker 6: So what do you do?
Speaker 3: You try and sort of thin it out, do you?
Speaker 3: Obviously you keep it and let it You're not putting
Speaker 3: it on warm obviously it's outside. It cools down, is there?
Speaker 3: Like do you let it kind of semi compost before
Speaker 3: you apply it or do you just.
Speaker 20: You can do that if you've got a compost bend
Speaker 20: that is still that is still going. Do you remember?
Speaker 20: It's pretty cool, but you have to really make it thin.
Speaker 20: Don't put it in a huge layer on the rise
Speaker 20: because it becomes cement. Yeah.
Speaker 14: I do.
Speaker 20: I do it on a wendy day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. And your neighbors get some of the benefit
Speaker 3: as well as well.
Speaker 20: And also and only do it of course on the
Speaker 20: plants that need that. Use the potege de calium for
Speaker 20: flowers and fruit. So the flowers and fruiting plants, and
Speaker 20: that you know, even although they might not use it now,
Speaker 20: it will be used, as you said, at the end
Speaker 20: of next month.
Speaker 3: There you go, brilliant Tom, A very good morning to you.
Speaker 18: Good good morning, Pete. And another's rude. I've got something
Speaker 18: on your line right now. To my surprise, the last
Speaker 18: couple of weeks, as I look on my back door
Speaker 18: in this house which i'm by myself except for my
Speaker 18: I departed whites for cats, there's about fifty bees stationary
Speaker 18: on the glass and some on the ledge.
Speaker 20: Of your glasshouse. Of your glasshouse.
Speaker 18: No, this is my residence, which I built sixty two
Speaker 18: years ago. Right, okay, back door, it's a four light
Speaker 18: glass door.
Speaker 20: See sure. So where are you ringing from? What part
Speaker 20: of New Zealtists is the north?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 18: Yes, don on my road?
Speaker 20: There you go. Okay, you have to remember that the
Speaker 20: time is coming that bees are starting to swarm. That
Speaker 20: is number one. But you're only mentioning let's say sixty
Speaker 20: or so bees, so it might not be yet a
Speaker 20: big swarm. It might be a small swarm. But the
Speaker 20: point is that at the moment my bees or the
Speaker 20: bees of my neighbor here in christ Church are still
Speaker 20: flying around. So for some reason, they think it's warm
Speaker 20: enough on a good day like today looks a good day. Actually,
Speaker 20: with a bit of sun late, you'll find the bees
Speaker 20: are still moving. That's number one. But the second thing
Speaker 20: is that usually a swarm doesn't happen until late October,
Speaker 20: early September onwards, if you like, so, maybe this might
Speaker 20: be an earlier group.
Speaker 18: What am I going to do with them?
Speaker 14: Well?
Speaker 20: Are they on the outside of your house?
Speaker 18: No? The inside?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 20: Really?
Speaker 14: Oh?
Speaker 18: I have a big glasp front in which there is
Speaker 18: a broken piece up the top, and my wife when
Speaker 18: she was here, would spend ten minutes getting an odd
Speaker 18: bee out that got lost. But these ones have been
Speaker 18: here for two weeks. I thought there were fires for start.
Speaker 18: They if you touch them, they will, they can move.
Speaker 18: They're alive.
Speaker 20: Yeah, okay, right in this case, get yourself. You need
Speaker 20: to go to your local area, ask your local people
Speaker 20: that know about these things. Who is a beekeeper in
Speaker 20: your area, and they may want to get some of
Speaker 20: those for a new I feel like a new breed
Speaker 20: they're looking at.
Speaker 18: Oh right, okay, do you know what I mean? I
Speaker 18: do I've got the answer to that prime. I'm okay,
Speaker 18: but I didn't get rid of the cockroaches by the
Speaker 18: time you told me to use soap works. They're all
Speaker 18: through the house.
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, that can happen, but you have to remember
Speaker 20: many cockroaches aren't really not that troublesome. The native ones
Speaker 20: basically come inside because it's too cold outside, and they
Speaker 20: will move outside again to clean up all the stuff
Speaker 20: in your garden. You know, they're recyclists, so that's what
Speaker 20: they do. But in the winter time they think, oh,
Speaker 20: this is a nice place that Tom's got. I think
Speaker 20: I might move in. By the way he built that
Speaker 20: house over the top of our habitat, we might move in.
Speaker 18: Well, when I first came here, I never saw any Well,
Speaker 18: occasionally there was. When they delivered the Herald, there was
Speaker 18: a few big ones in the bag of that.
Speaker 20: Yeah, the Herald. Well, the Harald spreads cockroaches all over
Speaker 20: the place. You've known that all your life, haven't you.
Speaker 18: No, not me, All our others have talked about not cockroaches.
Speaker 3: No, okay, that's sorry to different, same mate, all the best.
Speaker 3: I'm slightly confused by the snake's tist. Hey, Rod, please
Speaker 3: advise on how to get bitter flowering from two barrows tubros.
Speaker 20: Yeah, tubros.
Speaker 3: Put them on the fridge, not in the freezer.
Speaker 2: We know that.
Speaker 20: But yeah, no in the fridge. Yeah, you could do that.
Speaker 20: But on the other end, what you can do is you,
Speaker 20: if they've been there and and the plants are in
Speaker 20: good condition, use some of that potash sulfate of potash,
Speaker 20: or if you like, a little layer of the stuff
Speaker 20: from the garden, from your from your fireplace to put
Speaker 20: that potash into the root zone. And it is the
Speaker 20: potash that makes the tube brosis flower.
Speaker 18: Right.
Speaker 20: That's that follows on nicely from what we talked about before.
Speaker 20: Not everybody's got a fireplace anymore, of course, So you
Speaker 20: can now buy a little granules called sulfate off potash,
Speaker 20: which is the same sort of material and that literally
Speaker 20: makes the plant increase its flowering and fruit in capacity.
Speaker 20: If you like, you can use them for all those
Speaker 20: different things.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you very much. That's awesome. Ryl Of, very
Speaker 3: good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Good morning.
Speaker 21: I'd just like to ask Rudy question, please go for it.
Speaker 21: I have seen all hoyas in my sunroom, one of
Speaker 21: them being forty years old other ones are just collected now.
Speaker 21: They all flare beautiously. However, because of the sun roam
Speaker 21: the sun on mia and I do have a shade cloth.
Speaker 21: But over leaves are going through pale. What can I
Speaker 21: give them to bring the leaves back to grainy means a.
Speaker 20: Little bit of fertilizer, liquid fertilizer when you water them,
Speaker 20: don't You don't water your hoyas too often. If you've
Speaker 20: done it forty years, I don't need to tell you
Speaker 20: how to grow hoyas.
Speaker 21: Oh well, the forty year one eighteen belonged to my mother.
Speaker 21: But I am old enough to have had it for
Speaker 21: fourty years.
Speaker 20: But yeah, but you know you don't over water them,
Speaker 20: generally speaking. But from now on, what I would do
Speaker 20: if you, if I were you, and because they're inside,
Speaker 20: I would give them a bit of liquid fertilizer, Just
Speaker 20: a little bit of the liquid fertilizer in the watering
Speaker 20: can that you water your hoyas with, and that will
Speaker 20: that will sort out the yellowing of your leaves. I'm sure?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 21: Because they oh, you know, the old one has fifty players,
Speaker 21: you know, every time at players and some of them
Speaker 21: I've just pulls up mistee and several players. It's a
Speaker 21: really good twice.
Speaker 20: It is a good and you know what. I used
Speaker 20: to have a hoyer in the Netherlands when I was
Speaker 20: a student that would go right around my room. That
Speaker 20: hoya would be about one two, three, four times five
Speaker 20: twenty meters long, tendrols and and yeah, and I literally
Speaker 20: trained it right around the ceiling of my of my
Speaker 20: of my room where I was staying, absolutely gorgeous flowering
Speaker 20: every year. At the moment, my hoyas are in a
Speaker 20: slightly too dark condition, and Julie was already saying, we
Speaker 20: need to do something about that, so we're going to
Speaker 20: put it in a slightly lighter place.
Speaker 21: I would say, yeah, okay, well, thank you very much. Advice.
Speaker 20: It's great, Cheryl, You're doing a great job. I love
Speaker 20: the whoy and there's so many different varieties of them.
Speaker 20: Have you seen that?
Speaker 17: Oh?
Speaker 18: I know, I know.
Speaker 21: I wish I could get some of the different talented ones,
Speaker 21: but they quite hard or quite winter.
Speaker 20: Yes, I know. My days it was you could get
Speaker 20: them from anybody. As students in the Netherlands, we changed them,
Speaker 20: of course, There's not nothing. It was very simple.
Speaker 21: Yeah, right, good, thanks very much.
Speaker 20: Bye, hey morning, welcome bye bye yl that it's so good.
Speaker 3: Enjoy a good day because up here it's just a
Speaker 3: little bit on the damp side.
Speaker 20: I get it that that's why I molded lawn yesterday,
Speaker 20: because I have not been able to do it since February.
Speaker 13: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Seriously?
Speaker 18: Yes?
Speaker 14: True?
Speaker 20: Wow, finally dry yesterday.
Speaker 3: Crikey? All right, you think I'll be doing hours on
Speaker 3: Thursday if you go there?
Speaker 20: Oh hey, can't you be?
Speaker 3: It's not next Sunday. Take care all the best, Bye bye,
Speaker 3: Thank you folks for your company. Love the text mission.
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to add up all of the answers
Speaker 3: and try and get an actual answer, and the next
Speaker 3: week we'll do more polse. Let's do it again next Sunday.
Speaker 3: Have a great week to take care.
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