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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: wolf Camp from US talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Mession twice cut once but maybe colpeed first.

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Speaker 1: Peter wolf Camp the Resident Builder with light four solar

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Speaker 1: flick the switch to solar today used talk said B.

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Speaker 3: In the home stretch of the heart.

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Speaker 4: It took the heart love, but we're all, yeah, lack sure,

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Speaker 4: Cara s love do it, but we do this ride

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Speaker 4: is so they gonna moved when the bones are good restaurant,

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Speaker 4: the pink of field, that's the shadow that.

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Speaker 2: This you have remain.

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Speaker 5: In the Flounish.

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Speaker 4: Estate, the house of fallen us.

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Speaker 3: Well, a very good morning, good welcome along to the

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Speaker 3: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with Peak wolf Camp. That's

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Speaker 3: me the Resident Builder, and we are here to talk

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Speaker 3: about all things building and construction. So if you've got

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Speaker 3: a project that's underway that well, maybe it's not going

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Speaker 3: quite as you would have expected it, or perhaps rather

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Speaker 3: than encounter problems, you're thinking, I'll do a bit more

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Speaker 3: planning beforehand, and to be fair, nobody ever regrets a

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Speaker 3: good bit of planning before launching into a project. Or

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Speaker 3: perhaps you are you've done something and it hasn't worked

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Speaker 3: out quite as you expected. Maybe it's issues around trying

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Speaker 3: to find the right trades people to help out with

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Speaker 3: the task, selecting materials, which is always a bit of

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Speaker 3: an issue. And then there's always the rules and the

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Speaker 3: regulations that surround building and construction in New Zealand as well.

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Speaker 3: All of these things are on the table today. Maybe

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Speaker 3: like you, you actually made the kitchen table. We can

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Speaker 3: talk about that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call. Texts is up and running

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Speaker 3: nine two nine two, and email is up and running

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Speaker 3: as well. Pete at newstalksb dot co dot z. So

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Speaker 3: I trust that you had a good week. Certainly we had.

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Speaker 3: I wonder whether it's time for the meteorologists or the

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Speaker 3: reporting of the media orol just to stop talking about

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Speaker 3: weather bombs. You know, we'd like to make those a

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Speaker 3: special occasion or an unusual occasion, not just it's raining today,

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Speaker 3: so it's weather bomb. And I was thinking about that

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Speaker 3: because you know a little bit of you know, fourth warning,

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Speaker 3: have a look at drainage, make sure that gully traps

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Speaker 3: weren't overflowing, that the downpipes are still properly connected. I've

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Speaker 3: got a couple of ideal a bit of rainwater harvesting.

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Speaker 3: I've got a Bailey slim gym tank tucked in behind

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Speaker 3: do is, knowing that there's wet weather coming, I released

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Speaker 3: I'll drain the tank, which means that when that first

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Speaker 3: I freshened up the water that's in there. But also

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Speaker 3: that I it allows me then well, I think it's

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Speaker 3: if you can contain some of it that initial deluge.

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Speaker 3: And I was driving, as I pointed out to my son,

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Speaker 3: we were driving yesterday. You know, it hadn't rained for

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Speaker 3: that will fit up, and then there'll be an outlet

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Speaker 3: hours to come after the rainfall. And that's those systems

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Speaker 3: working quite well. So, and but what happens when it

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Speaker 3: doesn't work well? And I'll tell you about a job

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Speaker 3: Every now and then I go to look at a job,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call though.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a project you're underway, you want to

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Speaker 3: choosing building products, choosing materials, choosing tradespeople. You may wish

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Speaker 3: to discuss any of those things. We can talk about

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Speaker 3: it all on the show this morning. So eight hundred

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Speaker 3: it is Pete at Newstalk SB dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 3: So let's get into it. We've got a busy one morning.

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Speaker 3: call us right now. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 2: Doing other house assorting the guard and ask Pete for

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Speaker 2: a hand.

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Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peter Wolfcam and lighte Force Solar

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Speaker 1: get your solar saver pag now call oh eight hundred

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Speaker 3: That'd be a couple of texts have come in. First one,

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Speaker 3: people are still going on about song. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I'm changing it, put it that way. The other one

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Speaker 3: And so I personally it's something that I'm particularly interested in.

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Speaker 3: the homeowners going what can we do? And partly where

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Speaker 3: can we get some independent advice? And what can we

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Speaker 3: I love talking about that, And so I was saying

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Speaker 3: apart from the one about the song Pete, what do

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Gavin. I'm more than happy to talk about

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Speaker 3: that as well. In fact, I've printed off a couple

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Speaker 3: going on and I'm happy to make changes, and they've

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Speaker 3: already started to do that. So last week they announced

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good idea for a number

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Speaker 3: Lots of people want to get the air of the minister,

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Speaker 3: people that might go, actually, you know what, I think

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Speaker 3: And that's a fairly convincing argument. Then there are others

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Speaker 3: the housing market because houses are unaffordable. If after twenty

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Speaker 5: So I was saying my past life, I worked for

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Speaker 5: The reality is when you put that against percentage wise,

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Speaker 5: The additional part of it is that we have architects

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Speaker 3: And I'm pleased you picked up on the poor design.

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Speaker 3: performance than new homes, including more insulation. These changes aim

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Speaker 3: to improve the health and comfort and to help country

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Speaker 3: reduce the country's carbon emissions. These steps towards aligning with

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Speaker 3: international best practice and the expectations of consumers. Goes on

435
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Speaker 3: for a bit and then it says in summary, these

436
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Speaker 3: are the reasons that we think it should be maintained

437
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Speaker 3: as an H one. One The standards are based on

438
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Speaker 3: scientific evidence. Two insulation does not cause overheating. Three poor

439
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Speaker 3: design is the problem. Four avoiding the costs of reversing

440
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Speaker 3: the changes because there'll be significant costs and going backwards.

441
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Speaker 3: And five aligning the building sector with national climate goals.

442
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Speaker 3: So there's more information in there. We'll have a look

443
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Speaker 3: at it a little bit later on if you've got

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Speaker 3: a thought. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

445
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Speaker 3: to call texts as well. Morning. Huge investment has gone

446
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Speaker 3: into suppliers getting the products to reach the new H

447
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Speaker 3: one compliance standards. I work for one of the largest

448
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Speaker 3: aluminium extrusion suppliers for windows and doors, and we've had

449
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Speaker 3: a tremendous investment in R and D to offer our

450
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Speaker 3: thermal extrusions and completely and continually improve them chairs from

451
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Speaker 3: I'll leave your aim out of it for now, Shilo,

452
00:25:07,215 --> 00:25:10,335
Speaker 3: but I one hundred percent agree with exactly what you're

453
00:25:10,335 --> 00:25:12,855
Speaker 3: saying there. A lot of people have prepared for this,

454
00:25:13,015 --> 00:25:16,175
Speaker 3: and winding it back is going to be enormously disruptive,

455
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Speaker 3: and I'm not sure it's going to give you the

456
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Speaker 3: benefit that you're after. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

457
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Speaker 3: ten eighty will take your calls. Ian, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 10: Good morning, Pete.

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Speaker 7: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very well, thanks, that's a story.

461
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Speaker 10: Pete's got a question. We've got an old house built

462
00:25:30,935 --> 00:25:36,815
Speaker 10: nineteen eighty four, particle floor flooring, tile roof, and on

463
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Speaker 10: some of the interior petitions, the walls are pressing the

464
00:25:43,495 --> 00:25:47,815
Speaker 10: down through the particle flooring. Correct. Yes, of Servius, there's

465
00:25:47,855 --> 00:25:51,015
Speaker 10: no floor joist underneath it. The question is is that

466
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Speaker 10: a straightforward repair for a licensed practitioner or is it

467
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Speaker 10: more a specialized job for someone who does house leveling

468
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Speaker 10: or something like that. What's your thoughts on that one.

469
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Speaker 3: Probably not a job for someone who does house leveling

470
00:26:07,535 --> 00:26:10,335
Speaker 3: in the sense that it's a little I was going

471
00:26:10,415 --> 00:26:12,015
Speaker 3: to say it's a little bit more technical than that.

472
00:26:12,215 --> 00:26:14,975
Speaker 3: It is in the sense that what's essentially what's happening

473
00:26:15,135 --> 00:26:18,895
Speaker 3: is and it would have been either it was an

474
00:26:18,975 --> 00:26:21,615
Speaker 3: oversight at the time of construction or it just wasn't

475
00:26:21,655 --> 00:26:24,615
Speaker 3: required at the time of construction. So typically if you're

476
00:26:24,655 --> 00:26:29,055
Speaker 3: not putting a load bearing wall on top of a

477
00:26:29,175 --> 00:26:32,455
Speaker 3: series of joys below or across them, so that it's

478
00:26:32,975 --> 00:26:35,255
Speaker 3: the weight of the bottom plate is distributed over a

479
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Speaker 3: number of joys that are running at ninety degrees to

480
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Speaker 3: your bottom plate right, So if you're running parallel to

481
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Speaker 3: your joists, you're either looking to get your framing directly

482
00:26:44,135 --> 00:26:46,735
Speaker 3: on top of it within a certain distance, but you

483
00:26:46,815 --> 00:26:50,935
Speaker 3: would never ideally have it sitting mid span so that

484
00:26:51,095 --> 00:26:53,415
Speaker 3: all that it's being held up with is the particle board.

485
00:26:53,815 --> 00:26:57,695
Speaker 3: And if you do, then you wouldnog between the two

486
00:26:57,895 --> 00:27:00,895
Speaker 3: parallel joists on either side of the bottom plate at

487
00:27:01,095 --> 00:27:03,735
Speaker 3: let's say four hundred centers or six hundred centers right

488
00:27:04,415 --> 00:27:06,815
Speaker 3: to support the weight of that bottom plate. And I

489
00:27:06,895 --> 00:27:09,255
Speaker 3: suspect that if you are able to get underneath the

490
00:27:09,335 --> 00:27:11,695
Speaker 3: floor and look up, you'll find that there is an

491
00:27:11,695 --> 00:27:15,815
Speaker 3: absence of nogs. The next question becomes, Okay, if I

492
00:27:15,895 --> 00:27:18,175
Speaker 3: wanted to put nogs in there, how do I push

493
00:27:18,335 --> 00:27:20,735
Speaker 3: the bottom plate up and get rid of that deflection

494
00:27:20,895 --> 00:27:25,175
Speaker 3: and the flooring which might so can you get underneath

495
00:27:25,215 --> 00:27:25,975
Speaker 3: the floor at that point?

496
00:27:28,055 --> 00:27:28,255
Speaker 6: Ken?

497
00:27:28,295 --> 00:27:29,735
Speaker 10: This but tricky. We may have a cut of section

498
00:27:29,895 --> 00:27:31,255
Speaker 10: the floor out right.

499
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Speaker 3: To get in there. Yeah, So what I suppose if

500
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Speaker 3: I was approaching it, I'd probably look at getting if

501
00:27:38,375 --> 00:27:41,095
Speaker 3: I could get underneath there, you'd cut your noogs and

502
00:27:41,175 --> 00:27:43,095
Speaker 3: if the noog won't go up, you'd actually have a

503
00:27:43,135 --> 00:27:45,815
Speaker 3: small bottle jack underneath it and jack the dog up

504
00:27:45,895 --> 00:27:48,215
Speaker 3: into position so that if the knog is cut to

505
00:27:48,295 --> 00:27:51,135
Speaker 3: the same size as the joists on either side, when

506
00:27:51,175 --> 00:27:53,375
Speaker 3: the bottom of the knog is flushed with the joists,

507
00:27:53,615 --> 00:27:56,655
Speaker 3: then you know that you will have leveled out the

508
00:27:56,695 --> 00:27:58,775
Speaker 3: floor above it's hard to see both sides of the

509
00:27:58,815 --> 00:28:01,455
Speaker 3: floor at once, and then fix it off. And if

510
00:28:01,495 --> 00:28:05,255
Speaker 3: you're worried about it, you know, collapsing or lowering down

511
00:28:05,375 --> 00:28:08,135
Speaker 3: later on, you could put some multi grips or some

512
00:28:08,375 --> 00:28:11,175
Speaker 3: CP forties or you know, some extra bracing on either

513
00:28:11,255 --> 00:28:13,575
Speaker 3: side of it as well to ensure that it doesn't move.

514
00:28:13,935 --> 00:28:16,815
Speaker 3: But that's probably going to be the solution. And I'd

515
00:28:16,855 --> 00:28:19,335
Speaker 3: almost guarantee that when you get underneath the floor you

516
00:28:19,415 --> 00:28:22,215
Speaker 3: can see where the bottom plate is deflecting the flooring.

517
00:28:22,575 --> 00:28:24,735
Speaker 3: It'll be because there's no nogging underneath it.

518
00:28:26,055 --> 00:28:28,055
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think i'd suspect that's the case. We've had

519
00:28:28,455 --> 00:28:31,055
Speaker 10: another section of the house to SA's some sort of thing. Yeah,

520
00:28:32,415 --> 00:28:35,335
Speaker 10: But was that something that was back in the day

521
00:28:36,055 --> 00:28:37,895
Speaker 10: was a non requirement or was it just a bit

522
00:28:37,935 --> 00:28:40,575
Speaker 10: of oh, look, slickness on the building.

523
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Speaker 3: It might be, you know, because when you're laying out

524
00:28:44,295 --> 00:28:48,815
Speaker 3: your choice, right, you know you're off. Maybe you didn't

525
00:28:49,495 --> 00:28:53,055
Speaker 3: to that. Maybe they didn't look carefully at the plans right,

526
00:28:53,095 --> 00:28:55,495
Speaker 3: and they weren't thinking about where their load bearing walls above,

527
00:28:55,575 --> 00:28:57,655
Speaker 3: and so they might have just gone, let's just set

528
00:28:57,695 --> 00:28:59,495
Speaker 3: them all out at six hundred centers and then they

529
00:28:59,615 --> 00:29:02,215
Speaker 3: throw the flooring down, and then they stand the frames

530
00:29:02,295 --> 00:29:05,015
Speaker 3: up on top and they realize that actually it's in

531
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Speaker 3: the middle of the floor. Oh well it'll be okay.

532
00:29:07,455 --> 00:29:10,575
Speaker 3: Well it's not okay forty odd years later.

533
00:29:11,775 --> 00:29:15,375
Speaker 10: No, So is it an idea or a good idea,

534
00:29:15,535 --> 00:29:18,135
Speaker 10: good practice to actually cut that section of floor out

535
00:29:18,735 --> 00:29:21,575
Speaker 10: and lay a new flat piece. And if you get

536
00:29:21,735 --> 00:29:24,015
Speaker 10: going to go rather thank you jack up underneath put

537
00:29:24,015 --> 00:29:26,495
Speaker 10: the nogs in. Should you try and take that section

538
00:29:26,615 --> 00:29:28,455
Speaker 10: of floor out and put a new piece in there.

539
00:29:28,495 --> 00:29:30,175
Speaker 3: So you get quite a lot of work to try

540
00:29:30,215 --> 00:29:33,415
Speaker 3: and get that flooring out because obviously it's trapped underneath

541
00:29:33,495 --> 00:29:38,295
Speaker 3: the bottom plate of the wall that's there. Look, if

542
00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:42,775
Speaker 3: the particle border is in poor condition, which it'll be

543
00:29:42,895 --> 00:29:45,215
Speaker 3: a bit dozy by now, but unless it's had a

544
00:29:45,295 --> 00:29:47,375
Speaker 3: fair amount of water on it, it will still be okay.

545
00:29:49,095 --> 00:29:52,255
Speaker 3: I think I'd probably just take the approach of going,

546
00:29:52,735 --> 00:29:55,775
Speaker 3: let's just get under the nogget and push the bottom

547
00:29:55,815 --> 00:29:56,535
Speaker 3: plate up that way.

548
00:29:57,935 --> 00:30:00,135
Speaker 10: And there is that's wrong with putting an extra pile

549
00:30:00,255 --> 00:30:00,615
Speaker 10: and there.

550
00:30:00,935 --> 00:30:04,775
Speaker 3: Oh not at all the floor as well. Yeah. So again,

551
00:30:04,815 --> 00:30:07,135
Speaker 3: if you go to the building code or yeah, to

552
00:30:07,335 --> 00:30:10,215
Speaker 3: three six o four, you'll find, for example, that there's

553
00:30:10,535 --> 00:30:13,855
Speaker 3: a minimum distance away from a parallel joist that you

554
00:30:13,935 --> 00:30:17,135
Speaker 3: can put a bottom plate. You know, so you might

555
00:30:17,175 --> 00:30:18,975
Speaker 3: be able to be fifty millimeters from the edge of

556
00:30:19,015 --> 00:30:21,575
Speaker 3: the floor joist. And you know, but if your floor

557
00:30:21,655 --> 00:30:24,455
Speaker 3: joiser at six hundred centers, for example, and you put

558
00:30:24,535 --> 00:30:28,735
Speaker 3: it in the middle, well then what's happened is inevitable.

559
00:30:29,855 --> 00:30:31,895
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's good.

560
00:30:32,055 --> 00:30:35,415
Speaker 3: Yeah, much pressure. Enjoy all right, take care of all

561
00:30:35,415 --> 00:30:37,255
Speaker 3: the best, boy, and having spent a little bit of

562
00:30:37,295 --> 00:30:40,975
Speaker 3: time unerneath the floor putting in nogs. It's i'll tell

563
00:30:41,015 --> 00:30:42,415
Speaker 3: you what, it's quite a good job to do with

564
00:30:42,575 --> 00:30:45,655
Speaker 3: somebody else, because in the instance, the job that I

565
00:30:45,735 --> 00:30:48,695
Speaker 3: did last week or the week before, I thought, right,

566
00:30:48,775 --> 00:30:50,535
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that this nog's nice and

567
00:30:50,655 --> 00:30:53,495
Speaker 3: tight in there. But of course I was, you know,

568
00:30:55,375 --> 00:30:58,535
Speaker 3: a million and a half too tight. So crawl back out,

569
00:30:58,735 --> 00:31:02,335
Speaker 3: cut it, crawl back in fixing the nog, et cetera,

570
00:31:02,415 --> 00:31:04,575
Speaker 3: et cetera. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

571
00:31:04,695 --> 00:31:09,495
Speaker 3: the number to call. Yeah, we're getting lots of texts

572
00:31:09,495 --> 00:31:11,975
Speaker 3: on the whole insulation thing. Well, we'll take a deep

573
00:31:12,055 --> 00:31:13,575
Speaker 3: dive into this. You tell us where you want to

574
00:31:13,575 --> 00:31:16,055
Speaker 3: go on the show eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I

575
00:31:16,175 --> 00:31:17,615
Speaker 3: will take a break. We'll come back and talk to

576
00:31:17,695 --> 00:31:18,615
Speaker 3: Paul in just a moment.

577
00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:23,335
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

578
00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:25,495
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

579
00:31:25,575 --> 00:31:28,335
Speaker 1: Wolf Cabin call on Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

580
00:31:28,575 --> 00:31:31,735
Speaker 1: the resident builder with light four solar flick the switch

581
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Speaker 1: to solar today news talks.

582
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Speaker 3: That'd be plenty of texts and a welcome you text

583
00:31:36,495 --> 00:31:40,135
Speaker 3: on this particular issue, changing h one, rolling it back,

584
00:31:40,375 --> 00:31:43,135
Speaker 3: sticking to what's already been. I was going to say,

585
00:31:43,175 --> 00:31:45,615
Speaker 3: agreed to. There's no real agreement. It's like this is

586
00:31:45,655 --> 00:31:48,055
Speaker 3: the new rules and get on with it. Oh eight

587
00:31:48,175 --> 00:31:50,095
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Paul,

588
00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:51,735
Speaker 3: Good morning you.

589
00:31:51,815 --> 00:31:56,375
Speaker 11: Good morning morning. I'm working on a shed that we're lining.

590
00:31:56,775 --> 00:32:00,295
Speaker 11: Yes to use it as an alternative use with the

591
00:32:00,415 --> 00:32:04,855
Speaker 11: right council approvals and whatnot. But what concerns me is

592
00:32:04,935 --> 00:32:09,135
Speaker 11: the concrete floor. And I reclect back it was about

593
00:32:09,255 --> 00:32:11,335
Speaker 11: Valentine's Day, not that I'm into that sort of.

594
00:32:11,375 --> 00:32:11,935
Speaker 12: Carry on, but.

595
00:32:15,415 --> 00:32:20,255
Speaker 11: About a year ago there was a big flooding and

596
00:32:20,455 --> 00:32:25,815
Speaker 11: the vartity and whatnot, and we're in the caramandle and

597
00:32:27,295 --> 00:32:28,255
Speaker 11: I recall.

598
00:32:27,975 --> 00:32:29,175
Speaker 6: This particular shed.

599
00:32:29,655 --> 00:32:34,335
Speaker 11: There was a lot of moisture that came up, I believe,

600
00:32:34,415 --> 00:32:39,735
Speaker 11: through the concrete. And an old maid of mine, he's

601
00:32:39,775 --> 00:32:41,895
Speaker 11: not a builder, but he's been involved in a lot

602
00:32:41,935 --> 00:32:45,175
Speaker 11: of building projects. He said, pour a couple of cup

603
00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:47,575
Speaker 11: of water over the concrete and see what happens to

604
00:32:47,655 --> 00:32:49,895
Speaker 11: the water. And I found him back and said, disappeared

605
00:32:49,935 --> 00:32:54,535
Speaker 11: into the concrete, and well, when they put the concrete down, mate,

606
00:32:54,575 --> 00:32:55,895
Speaker 11: there's no moisture barrier.

607
00:32:56,015 --> 00:32:59,015
Speaker 8: There's it's just it's just porous.

608
00:32:59,215 --> 00:33:01,615
Speaker 11: And the only thing you can do is put a

609
00:33:01,655 --> 00:33:06,095
Speaker 11: flooring compound down. You obviously can't concrete on top of

610
00:33:06,335 --> 00:33:08,335
Speaker 11: concrete and expected to fix the problem.

611
00:33:08,375 --> 00:33:08,815
Speaker 12: It's going to.

612
00:33:08,855 --> 00:33:14,815
Speaker 11: Cause more problems. What what what are your suggestions? You know,

613
00:33:15,215 --> 00:33:19,095
Speaker 11: I do have some semics floor or you know, floor

614
00:33:19,215 --> 00:33:22,615
Speaker 11: leveling compound there that says that it's good. And I've

615
00:33:22,695 --> 00:33:25,375
Speaker 11: read up a lot on the internet and what there's

616
00:33:25,415 --> 00:33:28,815
Speaker 11: all sorts of compounds available that say that it's as

617
00:33:28,895 --> 00:33:32,335
Speaker 11: good as putting a membrane. Not that there's a membrane

618
00:33:32,415 --> 00:33:36,175
Speaker 11: able to be put on a concrete floor, or.

619
00:33:36,495 --> 00:33:38,775
Speaker 3: There are there are membranes that you can apply over

620
00:33:38,815 --> 00:33:43,175
Speaker 3: the top concrete floors as seilers. So okay, So there,

621
00:33:44,015 --> 00:33:46,975
Speaker 3: let's assume the slab is down, there is no vapor barrier,

622
00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:49,935
Speaker 3: and you'll get moisture coming up through the slab, and

623
00:33:50,055 --> 00:33:52,175
Speaker 3: you want to make it habitable space, and so you

624
00:33:52,255 --> 00:33:54,935
Speaker 3: want to be able to control that internal moisture. That

625
00:33:55,215 --> 00:34:00,935
Speaker 3: makes sense. So are you intending to lay flooring over

626
00:34:01,055 --> 00:34:04,095
Speaker 3: the top of what you're putting down or do you

627
00:34:04,135 --> 00:34:06,215
Speaker 3: want the concrete to be exposed.

628
00:34:06,735 --> 00:34:11,775
Speaker 11: In the wet areas, the idea was to put tiling down, okay,

629
00:34:11,895 --> 00:34:16,015
Speaker 11: all right, and in the non wet areas the insulator

630
00:34:16,175 --> 00:34:21,855
Speaker 11: thermally insulated under the sure carbet on top to keep

631
00:34:21,895 --> 00:34:22,335
Speaker 11: it warm.

632
00:34:23,615 --> 00:34:25,855
Speaker 3: Okay. So the main thing is that you're going to

633
00:34:25,895 --> 00:34:28,855
Speaker 3: cover it, and so you could apply a coating that

634
00:34:28,935 --> 00:34:35,015
Speaker 3: won't then be seen later on truck like, I wouldn't

635
00:34:35,055 --> 00:34:39,975
Speaker 3: use floor leveling compound to try and create a waterproof

636
00:34:40,055 --> 00:34:44,095
Speaker 3: barrier because it won't work right, So, okay, you could

637
00:34:44,175 --> 00:34:45,895
Speaker 3: use that later on, but I wouldn't use it as

638
00:34:46,055 --> 00:34:50,175
Speaker 3: your primary one. So there are crystalline solutions, things like

639
00:34:50,375 --> 00:34:54,855
Speaker 3: Cemex crystal Proof, for example, which is an application that

640
00:34:54,975 --> 00:34:58,215
Speaker 3: you can you mix it up, apply it and it

641
00:34:58,575 --> 00:35:02,335
Speaker 3: penetrates into the pores of the slab, searching for moisture

642
00:35:02,375 --> 00:35:04,655
Speaker 3: and will continue to activate. Now there's a couple of

643
00:35:04,735 --> 00:35:09,255
Speaker 3: issues with that. Can't paint it later on, you may

644
00:35:09,335 --> 00:35:11,135
Speaker 3: not be able to tile over it, so you'd have

645
00:35:11,175 --> 00:35:14,815
Speaker 3: to get some technical advice on that. There are other

646
00:35:15,455 --> 00:35:19,215
Speaker 3: ceiling sealers that you can apply. So for example, where

647
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Speaker 3: we've had a concrete slab that hasn't dried out enough,

648
00:35:21,975 --> 00:35:24,695
Speaker 3: but we've wanted to lay a timber floor over the

649
00:35:24,775 --> 00:35:26,935
Speaker 3: top of it, and we wanted to make sure that

650
00:35:27,055 --> 00:35:29,135
Speaker 3: the timber floor is not going to be impacted by

651
00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:32,495
Speaker 3: the moisture in the slab. Then you can apply a

652
00:35:32,615 --> 00:35:35,575
Speaker 3: vapor barrier there, which is again a brush on application

653
00:35:36,055 --> 00:35:39,255
Speaker 3: that you can then adhere you're flooring to. So that's

654
00:35:39,295 --> 00:35:42,255
Speaker 3: a solution for you. And then there are a couple

655
00:35:42,295 --> 00:35:46,335
Speaker 3: of you know, professional companies that will come out and

656
00:35:46,575 --> 00:35:51,855
Speaker 3: do the job for you as well, who apply waterproof

657
00:35:51,935 --> 00:35:55,895
Speaker 3: solutions that will keep moisture in the slab, and again,

658
00:35:55,975 --> 00:35:57,775
Speaker 3: do a little bit of research around which one you

659
00:35:57,895 --> 00:36:03,135
Speaker 3: want and the compatibility. If you had the space, you

660
00:36:03,175 --> 00:36:06,655
Speaker 3: could actually pour another slab over the top, it would

661
00:36:06,735 --> 00:36:10,855
Speaker 3: need to be at least seventy eighty millimeters thick for

662
00:36:10,975 --> 00:36:14,135
Speaker 3: it not to crack on its own, so that may

663
00:36:14,215 --> 00:36:16,775
Speaker 3: not be a great solution. I think often people have

664
00:36:16,855 --> 00:36:18,695
Speaker 3: got like a two point four start in the thought

665
00:36:18,735 --> 00:36:21,655
Speaker 3: of pouring another one hundred slab over the top. Yes,

666
00:36:21,895 --> 00:36:25,935
Speaker 3: it's not that great, So there are some solutions out there.

667
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:27,335
Speaker 3: I think you're on the right track in terms of

668
00:36:27,415 --> 00:36:33,415
Speaker 3: doing the research, but you know, yeah, there are solutions

669
00:36:33,455 --> 00:36:39,575
Speaker 3: for you, so Crystaline solutions, vapor barriers or a proprietary one.

670
00:36:40,055 --> 00:36:42,135
Speaker 3: So get a company in like Armtek or someone like

671
00:36:42,215 --> 00:36:44,295
Speaker 3: that to come and do it. Good luck with all

672
00:36:44,335 --> 00:36:46,015
Speaker 3: of that. It is ten minutes away from seveny to

673
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Speaker 3: take another short break. We'll be back with Don in

674
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Speaker 3: just a moment.

675
00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:52,335
Speaker 2: Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

676
00:36:52,895 --> 00:36:56,295
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare the resident builder

677
00:36:56,495 --> 00:37:00,055
Speaker 1: with light force solar, save on solar and earn airpoints

678
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679
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Speaker 3: Talks B your News Talks B and Don A very

680
00:37:03,735 --> 00:37:04,335
Speaker 3: good morning to you.

681
00:37:05,415 --> 00:37:07,815
Speaker 6: Good morning Pee, take pleasure to talk to you as

682
00:37:07,855 --> 00:37:11,895
Speaker 6: well to you Peter. I think that I think that

683
00:37:11,975 --> 00:37:14,135
Speaker 6: you can rely on the National government. You said you'd

684
00:37:14,175 --> 00:37:16,775
Speaker 6: welcome but to talk on the politics, so let's get

685
00:37:16,815 --> 00:37:18,535
Speaker 6: into it. I think you can rely on the National

686
00:37:18,615 --> 00:37:22,975
Speaker 6: government to be a bit disruptive, disruptive of patch protection

687
00:37:24,335 --> 00:37:28,055
Speaker 6: that tends to accumulate when you've got a long time

688
00:37:28,175 --> 00:37:32,535
Speaker 6: in left wing governments. There's some brilliant outcomes from some

689
00:37:32,655 --> 00:37:35,495
Speaker 6: of the changes the Minister has already signaled. We've been

690
00:37:35,535 --> 00:37:39,335
Speaker 6: looking at a build over on the West coast in

691
00:37:39,415 --> 00:37:41,695
Speaker 6: a remote area, and one of the things we've been

692
00:37:41,735 --> 00:37:45,495
Speaker 6: exploring is importing some windows from China, which of course

693
00:37:45,535 --> 00:37:47,615
Speaker 6: the new regulations have opened up the door to be

694
00:37:47,655 --> 00:37:50,615
Speaker 6: able to do that, and just looking at the windows,

695
00:37:50,695 --> 00:37:56,055
Speaker 6: in my understanding is they have Pete and I'm not

696
00:37:56,295 --> 00:37:59,615
Speaker 6: an expert in the space, and the gentleman that's doing

697
00:37:59,695 --> 00:38:03,215
Speaker 6: this particular part of the exercise definitely is an expert,

698
00:38:03,215 --> 00:38:06,135
Speaker 6: and he wouldn't be doing anything that isn't actually co

699
00:38:06,455 --> 00:38:09,135
Speaker 6: because he's pretty good at checking those regulations. That's part

700
00:38:09,175 --> 00:38:11,415
Speaker 6: of his point of difference in what he does. Sure,

701
00:38:12,895 --> 00:38:16,135
Speaker 6: And we looked at the different quotes from locally in

702
00:38:16,255 --> 00:38:18,895
Speaker 6: China and had a look at the fact there's twenty

703
00:38:18,975 --> 00:38:23,175
Speaker 6: to thirty percent difference in those in the pricing.

704
00:38:23,375 --> 00:38:25,135
Speaker 10: So it's a bit of a.

705
00:38:26,655 --> 00:38:31,455
Speaker 6: Swings and roundabouts. I think Pete that the insulation might

706
00:38:31,535 --> 00:38:33,975
Speaker 6: be costing a little bit more in one space, but

707
00:38:34,095 --> 00:38:37,055
Speaker 6: the opportunity to change up building materials and level out

708
00:38:37,095 --> 00:38:40,615
Speaker 6: those costs again in the other space, So I don't

709
00:38:40,655 --> 00:38:41,935
Speaker 6: think the sky is falling.

710
00:38:42,215 --> 00:38:43,295
Speaker 13: I recalled back.

711
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Speaker 6: To sort of thirty years ago when we started or

712
00:38:45,335 --> 00:38:47,695
Speaker 6: forty years ago when we started looking at their regulation

713
00:38:47,855 --> 00:38:50,735
Speaker 6: in New Zealand, and a lot of screaming about how

714
00:38:50,815 --> 00:38:53,695
Speaker 6: the sky was going to fall. Well, we're forty years

715
00:38:53,775 --> 00:38:56,415
Speaker 6: on and the sky certainly hasn't fallen. But that doesn't

716
00:38:56,455 --> 00:38:57,855
Speaker 6: mean you don't need to be cautious.

717
00:38:58,655 --> 00:39:00,415
Speaker 3: Except what about leaky buildings?

718
00:39:02,295 --> 00:39:04,055
Speaker 6: Yeah, now I was going to see that.

719
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Speaker 3: Next you had a leaky building. The sky's falling quite literally.

720
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's absolutely right, And that came about. That came

721
00:39:11,455 --> 00:39:15,135
Speaker 6: about a lot because we changed up the way that

722
00:39:15,335 --> 00:39:19,055
Speaker 6: we designed buildings. And then we got some people who

723
00:39:19,095 --> 00:39:20,535
Speaker 6: are quite good at what they were doing, but we

724
00:39:20,655 --> 00:39:23,695
Speaker 6: got a lot of me too, people joining the bandwagon

725
00:39:23,775 --> 00:39:25,735
Speaker 6: as well. It didn't know what they were doing. And

726
00:39:26,095 --> 00:39:31,175
Speaker 6: then designers just simply didn't design flashings and all of

727
00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:34,135
Speaker 6: those other bits to an appropriate standard. So we had

728
00:39:34,175 --> 00:39:35,575
Speaker 6: to lift up those standards.

729
00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:39,815
Speaker 3: I've got one minute before the news, go for it.

730
00:39:39,895 --> 00:39:43,015
Speaker 3: Sure your most salient point R.

731
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Speaker 6: Two, R two point six and walls and R four

732
00:39:46,415 --> 00:39:50,895
Speaker 6: point for R four in ceilings is more than enough

733
00:39:50,935 --> 00:39:53,815
Speaker 6: where I live in Canterbury. But I agree that a

734
00:39:53,855 --> 00:39:56,575
Speaker 6: brush a broad stroke across the whole country to go

735
00:39:56,695 --> 00:40:00,055
Speaker 6: to R seven and R four is a bridge too

736
00:40:00,135 --> 00:40:02,935
Speaker 6: far in the north, and possibly not far enough in

737
00:40:03,015 --> 00:40:06,655
Speaker 6: the Deep South. So I think overall we're in good hands.

738
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Speaker 6: But my last point would be on councils and inspections.

739
00:40:10,295 --> 00:40:13,255
Speaker 6: I think that fee for service guys. I think that

740
00:40:13,655 --> 00:40:17,935
Speaker 6: if the councils can offer up that you can have

741
00:40:18,295 --> 00:40:21,135
Speaker 6: if you want to buy it, on site, inspectors to

742
00:40:21,215 --> 00:40:24,255
Speaker 6: do your checking so you've got security of knowing you've

743
00:40:24,295 --> 00:40:26,815
Speaker 6: had someone have a look, right, then I think councils

744
00:40:26,895 --> 00:40:29,295
Speaker 6: need to get busy and make those services available even

745
00:40:29,335 --> 00:40:31,895
Speaker 6: if they're not required, because I know I'd want to buy.

746
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Speaker 3: That as a value. Add interesting point, Yeah, absolutely, interesting point, fascinate.

747
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Speaker 3: Thank you Don much appreciated, great ideas. Take care. Look,

748
00:40:41,695 --> 00:40:43,815
Speaker 3: the occasional shakeup is not a bad thing as long

749
00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:46,175
Speaker 3: as we get good outcomes. We're going to talk to

750
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Speaker 3: Paul and to Bruce after the news. If you'd like

751
00:40:48,215 --> 00:40:50,255
Speaker 3: to join us, call us now eight hundred and eighty

752
00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:52,415
Speaker 3: ten eighty here News Talk said.

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Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right the resident

754
00:41:03,975 --> 00:41:07,575
Speaker 1: builder with Peter wolfcap and light your solar get your

755
00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:10,215
Speaker 1: solar saber pack Now News Talks.

756
00:41:09,975 --> 00:41:12,935
Speaker 3: That'd be taking your calls this morning on all things

757
00:41:13,015 --> 00:41:21,295
Speaker 3: building construction, DIY renovations, alterations new builds and compliance and regulation.

758
00:41:21,575 --> 00:41:25,055
Speaker 3: So we've I mentioned at the beginning of the program

759
00:41:25,135 --> 00:41:28,495
Speaker 3: that it's hard to recall a time in recent memory,

760
00:41:28,695 --> 00:41:30,535
Speaker 3: and given I've been doing this show for ten years

761
00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:34,175
Speaker 3: where building has not been such a political issue in

762
00:41:34,295 --> 00:41:37,815
Speaker 3: the sense that obviously with a coalition government that's come

763
00:41:37,855 --> 00:41:42,055
Speaker 3: into power, they're looking at regulation, they're looking at housing affordability,

764
00:41:42,135 --> 00:41:45,255
Speaker 3: they're looking at housing supply, and they're going, it's not

765
00:41:45,615 --> 00:41:48,215
Speaker 3: really working. We kind of all know that it's not

766
00:41:48,335 --> 00:41:51,135
Speaker 3: really working. So what can we do? What levers can

767
00:41:51,215 --> 00:41:56,015
Speaker 3: we pull to change it? And out of that has

768
00:41:56,095 --> 00:41:59,495
Speaker 3: come a whole bunch of changes to regulation, So changing

769
00:42:00,775 --> 00:42:04,135
Speaker 3: or proposing that let's say, granny flats up to sixty

770
00:42:04,215 --> 00:42:07,815
Speaker 3: square meters could be built without necesscessarily requiring a building

771
00:42:07,895 --> 00:42:10,575
Speaker 3: consent or a resource consent, and then there's a whole

772
00:42:10,615 --> 00:42:12,975
Speaker 3: lot of it's like a drop down menu. Next to

773
00:42:13,055 --> 00:42:16,455
Speaker 3: it is a whole lot of if if, and then

774
00:42:16,535 --> 00:42:20,415
Speaker 3: you can come out with it. That's just I've just

775
00:42:20,495 --> 00:42:24,975
Speaker 3: remembered something that I was going to do. I love

776
00:42:25,055 --> 00:42:29,535
Speaker 3: the occasional completely unscientific text pole, So this was something

777
00:42:29,575 --> 00:42:31,055
Speaker 3: I was thinking about during the course of the week,

778
00:42:31,055 --> 00:42:32,575
Speaker 3: and I'll come to the calls in moment, but I'd

779
00:42:32,655 --> 00:42:34,095
Speaker 3: like to do this with you this morning on the

780
00:42:34,175 --> 00:42:38,255
Speaker 3: show through till about eight fifteen. So the text the

781
00:42:38,735 --> 00:42:44,295
Speaker 3: moot is could you build? Could do you have the space?

782
00:42:44,415 --> 00:42:49,175
Speaker 3: Could you build a sixty square meter granny flat on

783
00:42:49,495 --> 00:42:54,135
Speaker 3: your property? So think about where you live right now

784
00:42:55,095 --> 00:42:58,455
Speaker 3: and text me yes or no. Could you put a

785
00:42:58,575 --> 00:43:04,735
Speaker 3: sixty square meter granny flat on your property that would

786
00:43:04,775 --> 00:43:08,455
Speaker 3: be compliant with the regulations. So, for example, it needs

787
00:43:08,495 --> 00:43:10,815
Speaker 3: to be the height of the building away from a

788
00:43:10,935 --> 00:43:16,815
Speaker 3: boundary or from an adjacent building. That's probably the biggest one, right,

789
00:43:16,935 --> 00:43:18,735
Speaker 3: and it has to go in the rear yard and

790
00:43:18,855 --> 00:43:20,775
Speaker 3: you can only put one of them in. Could you

791
00:43:20,975 --> 00:43:23,815
Speaker 3: do it at your house? The reason for my question is,

792
00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:28,375
Speaker 3: while it's been floated as an answer to housing affordability

793
00:43:28,415 --> 00:43:31,975
Speaker 3: and housing supply, I suspect that the number of properties

794
00:43:32,015 --> 00:43:36,215
Speaker 3: where it could actually go is tiny. So will its

795
00:43:36,255 --> 00:43:37,095
Speaker 3: impact be great?

796
00:43:37,495 --> 00:43:37,535
Speaker 2: No?

797
00:43:37,695 --> 00:43:40,415
Speaker 3: I don't think it will be because there's just not

798
00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:43,055
Speaker 3: that many properties around where you could do it, certainly

799
00:43:43,175 --> 00:43:46,295
Speaker 3: not an urban center. So again text me right now

800
00:43:46,535 --> 00:43:50,575
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two if you wanted to, could you

801
00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:55,695
Speaker 3: put a sixty square meter granny flat on your property

802
00:43:56,455 --> 00:43:59,295
Speaker 3: and it be compliant. So we'll run that text during

803
00:43:59,375 --> 00:44:01,375
Speaker 3: the course of the program. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

804
00:44:01,455 --> 00:44:03,855
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call, and we'll try

805
00:44:04,295 --> 00:44:07,095
Speaker 3: and keep a tally of that as well. That's going

806
00:44:07,175 --> 00:44:14,615
Speaker 3: to be the hard but so far, yes, no, yes, no, yes, interesting, No,

807
00:44:14,895 --> 00:44:16,935
Speaker 3: I'm on a seven hundred and twelve square meter section.

808
00:44:17,175 --> 00:44:20,255
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Okay, that's going to run alongside the rest

809
00:44:20,295 --> 00:44:23,175
Speaker 3: of the program. Paul, good morning, welcome, Yeah.

810
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Speaker 12: Good morning, Peter. Hey, my questions not regarding the granny flats,

811
00:44:27,855 --> 00:44:30,895
Speaker 12: but no, no, I'm just running that as a sideline.

812
00:44:31,055 --> 00:44:33,335
Speaker 3: Basically, I've got a side hustle going. That's what it is.

813
00:44:33,455 --> 00:44:35,575
Speaker 12: Now, that's all right, But I do have a question

814
00:44:36,095 --> 00:44:40,095
Speaker 12: regarding that, just after listening to your comments. So not

815
00:44:40,655 --> 00:44:44,015
Speaker 12: needing a resource consent, how do we get on with plumbing?

816
00:44:44,215 --> 00:44:47,695
Speaker 12: If I guess if you're using a license building practitioner,

817
00:44:47,815 --> 00:44:51,815
Speaker 12: he can build without the resource consent, and I'm assuming

818
00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:55,495
Speaker 12: if the plumber is licensed, he can probably plumb without

819
00:44:56,375 --> 00:45:00,175
Speaker 12: a resource consent as well. So I'm picking that would

820
00:45:00,175 --> 00:45:02,935
Speaker 12: be the process that would occur if you were building

821
00:45:03,815 --> 00:45:04,655
Speaker 12: such a small.

822
00:45:04,495 --> 00:45:09,295
Speaker 3: Dwelling to be fair. That's I don't know that they're

823
00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:12,655
Speaker 3: terribly clear on that. The idea would be because and

824
00:45:12,775 --> 00:45:15,135
Speaker 3: it's not about resource consent, it's about building consent for

825
00:45:15,175 --> 00:45:18,815
Speaker 3: those types of things. So let's say you did build

826
00:45:18,935 --> 00:45:21,495
Speaker 3: a granny flat in the backyard, and obviously you'd want

827
00:45:21,535 --> 00:45:25,775
Speaker 3: to connect the toilet up to the wastewater supply, and

828
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Speaker 3: typically that work needs a building consent because plumbing is

829
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Speaker 3: underneath the building consent. However, plumbers and drain layers are

830
00:45:33,655 --> 00:45:37,815
Speaker 3: effectively their license right, which allows them to self certify

831
00:45:37,935 --> 00:45:40,455
Speaker 3: to some degree. So as long as the work was

832
00:45:40,535 --> 00:45:45,415
Speaker 3: done by a licensed drain layer to the requirements, that

833
00:45:45,535 --> 00:45:48,695
Speaker 3: should be okay, right, and that person should be able

834
00:45:48,735 --> 00:45:50,695
Speaker 3: to issue you with a record of works or a

835
00:45:50,735 --> 00:45:53,975
Speaker 3: producer statement saying I've done the work, here's the as built,

836
00:45:54,335 --> 00:45:56,935
Speaker 3: and the work complies with the building code in terms

837
00:45:56,975 --> 00:45:59,535
Speaker 3: of the connections and how it all links together and

838
00:45:59,735 --> 00:46:02,295
Speaker 3: venting and so on and so forth. I guess what's

839
00:46:02,375 --> 00:46:06,255
Speaker 3: difficult is council then don't have a way of controlling

840
00:46:06,815 --> 00:46:10,655
Speaker 3: how many new connections will go into their existing storm

841
00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:14,535
Speaker 3: water or wastewater systems which may already be stretched.

842
00:46:14,775 --> 00:46:17,855
Speaker 12: That's going to be the challenge, right, Yeah, no, that

843
00:46:18,015 --> 00:46:20,455
Speaker 12: makes sense. So yeah, obviously something will have to happen

844
00:46:20,535 --> 00:46:25,015
Speaker 12: to moderate that sort of thing. But anyway, Peter, what

845
00:46:25,135 --> 00:46:29,255
Speaker 12: I've ringing about primarily is I've got a I've got

846
00:46:29,295 --> 00:46:33,335
Speaker 12: a what was an industrial site with a huge block

847
00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:40,735
Speaker 12: of or level concrete area which I think is exceptionally thick. Yes,

848
00:46:41,615 --> 00:46:43,215
Speaker 12: I want to put a shed on top of it,

849
00:46:44,175 --> 00:46:46,735
Speaker 12: but I think for me to pull the concrete up,

850
00:46:46,855 --> 00:46:49,095
Speaker 12: it's going to be a nightmare. And it's in really

851
00:46:49,175 --> 00:46:49,815
Speaker 12: good repair.

852
00:46:50,135 --> 00:46:50,335
Speaker 3: Yep.

853
00:46:51,175 --> 00:46:55,335
Speaker 12: I'm picking without doing any drilling or anything. I'm picking.

854
00:46:55,375 --> 00:46:58,535
Speaker 12: It's probably about two or three hundred deep. It was

855
00:46:58,615 --> 00:47:03,415
Speaker 12: an industrial site, so I don't think there'd be any

856
00:47:03,495 --> 00:47:07,375
Speaker 12: issues if I put a shed on with regards the

857
00:47:07,495 --> 00:47:10,615
Speaker 12: concrete not being strong enough or you know, it's probably

858
00:47:10,695 --> 00:47:11,375
Speaker 12: at a foot.

859
00:47:11,175 --> 00:47:13,615
Speaker 2: In depth, yeah, all over it.

860
00:47:13,735 --> 00:47:16,295
Speaker 12: But how do I prove that to the counsel if

861
00:47:16,335 --> 00:47:20,255
Speaker 12: I want to put a shad on top And obviously

862
00:47:20,335 --> 00:47:23,775
Speaker 12: I have no issue putting a new poor over the

863
00:47:23,895 --> 00:47:27,295
Speaker 12: top of the existence, but I don't.

864
00:47:27,335 --> 00:47:30,535
Speaker 3: Think it will come down to specific design. So you'll

865
00:47:30,535 --> 00:47:33,735
Speaker 3: need to get an engineer to come and maybe they

866
00:47:33,815 --> 00:47:36,855
Speaker 3: will do some a couple of cord drills through the

867
00:47:36,935 --> 00:47:41,535
Speaker 3: existing slab to determine its thickness. If you happen to

868
00:47:41,655 --> 00:47:43,775
Speaker 3: have any photographs of it when it was laid, you know,

869
00:47:44,015 --> 00:47:47,055
Speaker 3: is there some mession at any documentation about what type

870
00:47:47,055 --> 00:47:50,015
Speaker 3: of concrete it was, et cetera, et cetera. But it

871
00:47:50,095 --> 00:47:53,815
Speaker 3: will come down to specific design. So again, someone will

872
00:47:53,855 --> 00:47:57,575
Speaker 3: come do some exploratory drilling. I suspect maybe what they'll

873
00:47:57,615 --> 00:47:59,455
Speaker 3: end up doing is saying, actually, we think that the

874
00:47:59,535 --> 00:48:04,615
Speaker 3: bearing capacity is you know, enormous more than compacted hardfill.

875
00:48:05,095 --> 00:48:07,455
Speaker 3: And therefore you could up a slab on the top,

876
00:48:07,575 --> 00:48:09,415
Speaker 3: come up one hundred and fifty mil, which will give

877
00:48:09,415 --> 00:48:12,015
Speaker 3: you a threshold that you need for you know, water

878
00:48:12,855 --> 00:48:15,455
Speaker 3: and so on. Box that up on top, box that

879
00:48:15,615 --> 00:48:19,935
Speaker 3: level because chances are the existing driveways not level, and

880
00:48:20,175 --> 00:48:22,735
Speaker 3: then with mesh and maybe you need to anchor it

881
00:48:22,815 --> 00:48:26,135
Speaker 3: down with a couple of cares and then build on top.

882
00:48:26,175 --> 00:48:28,495
Speaker 3: But it'll be specific design from an engineer.

883
00:48:29,775 --> 00:48:34,015
Speaker 12: Okay, you know what would that be, like a geotech.

884
00:48:33,575 --> 00:48:37,655
Speaker 3: Or a geotech would probably want to be involved, but no,

885
00:48:37,735 --> 00:48:39,615
Speaker 3: it would be a structural engineer primarily.

886
00:48:40,455 --> 00:48:44,095
Speaker 12: Okay, that's cool, I'll give them a try, and hey,

887
00:48:44,175 --> 00:48:45,615
Speaker 12: thanks very much, all the best for your time.

888
00:48:45,815 --> 00:48:48,935
Speaker 3: Okay man, right, all the best, Thank you, take care.

889
00:48:50,175 --> 00:48:52,215
Speaker 3: Someone's saying I've got the wrong question. The question should

890
00:48:52,215 --> 00:48:54,295
Speaker 3: be do you have room to build a granny fait

891
00:48:54,375 --> 00:48:59,615
Speaker 3: of thirty to sixty square meters in your backyard? Now,

892
00:48:59,655 --> 00:49:02,095
Speaker 3: I'll stick with sixty square meters because that's what the

893
00:49:02,175 --> 00:49:08,695
Speaker 3: maximum is going to be for simplicity. Surprising number of yeses,

894
00:49:09,975 --> 00:49:11,935
Speaker 3: but it's things like, Yes, I'm on a ten acre

895
00:49:11,975 --> 00:49:13,655
Speaker 3: block and I want to retire. My family are coming

896
00:49:13,695 --> 00:49:15,895
Speaker 3: home after fifteen years overseas, and I could move into

897
00:49:15,935 --> 00:49:18,175
Speaker 3: the and they could move into the family home. Perfect

898
00:49:18,215 --> 00:49:21,775
Speaker 3: solution for me. True, but you're on ten acres. No

899
00:49:22,015 --> 00:49:23,335
Speaker 3: small section, North Auckland.

900
00:49:23,415 --> 00:49:23,455
Speaker 7: No.

901
00:49:23,615 --> 00:49:25,935
Speaker 3: Two hundred and thirty square meter house on six hundred

902
00:49:25,975 --> 00:49:28,375
Speaker 3: square meters already the shape and position of the house

903
00:49:28,375 --> 00:49:32,775
Speaker 3: gives no room in the backyard. Yes, two thousand square

904
00:49:32,815 --> 00:49:35,735
Speaker 3: meter section we subdivided from our large five bedroom home

905
00:49:36,215 --> 00:49:38,695
Speaker 3: due to the husband losing a job through COVID. Thank

906
00:49:38,735 --> 00:49:39,455
Speaker 3: you very much for that.

907
00:49:39,615 --> 00:49:39,655
Speaker 14: No.

908
00:49:39,855 --> 00:49:43,015
Speaker 3: Nine hundred square meter section underground sewer down the middle

909
00:49:43,055 --> 00:49:45,935
Speaker 3: of the section. Distance from the boundaries is the issue

910
00:49:48,735 --> 00:49:52,535
Speaker 3: so interesting? So we're running a little pole completely totally

911
00:49:52,815 --> 00:49:57,735
Speaker 3: absolutely unscientific pole the very best kind I find. Could

912
00:49:57,855 --> 00:50:02,055
Speaker 3: you build a sixty square meter granny flat on your

913
00:50:02,135 --> 00:50:05,655
Speaker 3: property as per the proposals? Bruce, good morning? How are

914
00:50:05,655 --> 00:50:05,935
Speaker 3: you doing?

915
00:50:06,335 --> 00:50:09,895
Speaker 15: Wanting better answers to your text? No, I can't. Was

916
00:50:09,895 --> 00:50:10,735
Speaker 15: already four here?

917
00:50:11,895 --> 00:50:12,215
Speaker 6: All right?

918
00:50:12,255 --> 00:50:12,935
Speaker 3: No, get greedy?

919
00:50:14,855 --> 00:50:15,015
Speaker 6: Right?

920
00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:16,655
Speaker 3: How can I help? What's up?

921
00:50:16,895 --> 00:50:17,175
Speaker 6: Okay?

922
00:50:17,575 --> 00:50:21,895
Speaker 15: This is a legal situation. I'm calling on behalf of

923
00:50:22,775 --> 00:50:29,535
Speaker 15: friends who sold their home August last year. Just prior

924
00:50:29,735 --> 00:50:32,375
Speaker 15: to selling, in fact, we had to delay the first

925
00:50:33,015 --> 00:50:37,615
Speaker 15: open home. A common dwelling wall the three units on

926
00:50:37,655 --> 00:50:40,975
Speaker 15: this property. This particular unit is the third one and

927
00:50:41,055 --> 00:50:43,815
Speaker 15: the lowest one of the three. Harricky corner you go

928
00:50:43,935 --> 00:50:50,015
Speaker 15: past it every day, and the common wall leaked. This

929
00:50:50,255 --> 00:50:55,135
Speaker 15: was leaked July. Yeah, and there was no obvious area

930
00:50:55,255 --> 00:50:59,295
Speaker 15: where it came through. The reason I'm starting, I don't

931
00:50:59,335 --> 00:51:01,215
Speaker 15: quite know where to start on the story. The new

932
00:51:01,255 --> 00:51:04,855
Speaker 15: owners have actually taken these my friends to the tribunal,

933
00:51:05,255 --> 00:51:08,495
Speaker 15: and I'm sort of backwards. So then it leaked again

934
00:51:09,895 --> 00:51:12,295
Speaker 15: three weeks later, after new carpet had been put down,

935
00:51:12,375 --> 00:51:15,935
Speaker 15: because we just couldn't decide, couldn't pond where the hell

936
00:51:15,975 --> 00:51:18,735
Speaker 15: the problem we came through the second time, it was

937
00:51:18,895 --> 00:51:21,855
Speaker 15: obvious and it was the stormwater on the drive side

938
00:51:21,895 --> 00:51:26,575
Speaker 15: of the house that was repaired and it was a

939
00:51:26,655 --> 00:51:29,975
Speaker 15: massive it was about one hundred mils gap in the

940
00:51:30,975 --> 00:51:31,775
Speaker 15: stormwater pipe.

941
00:51:33,455 --> 00:51:33,695
Speaker 7: Yeah.

942
00:51:34,455 --> 00:51:38,775
Speaker 15: Anyway, so the house was duly sold, all the problems

943
00:51:38,855 --> 00:51:46,735
Speaker 15: were highlighted, and then we didn't know but the house

944
00:51:46,855 --> 00:51:53,135
Speaker 15: leaked again. The same wall leaked again New Year's weekend. Yeah,

945
00:51:53,855 --> 00:51:56,655
Speaker 15: but there wasn't until three months later. So we're talking

946
00:51:56,735 --> 00:52:02,055
Speaker 15: now talking early well, mid March that my friends got

947
00:52:02,415 --> 00:52:06,735
Speaker 15: a bill out of the blue for thirteen thousand dollars,

948
00:52:06,895 --> 00:52:11,895
Speaker 15: no explanation, not yeah, and there was no room for discussion.

949
00:52:12,935 --> 00:52:15,975
Speaker 15: They set this fill through the lawyers that did the

950
00:52:16,055 --> 00:52:18,175
Speaker 15: transaction on the house, and of course they were no

951
00:52:18,615 --> 00:52:20,335
Speaker 15: ferry to do anything with it, sat on it for

952
00:52:20,415 --> 00:52:24,335
Speaker 15: three weeks subsequently, the time's gone on, but they didn't

953
00:52:26,095 --> 00:52:30,335
Speaker 15: so the owners didn't have the contact details for as

954
00:52:30,895 --> 00:52:36,255
Speaker 15: old owners. Anyway, it's now taken us to the tribunal.

955
00:52:36,975 --> 00:52:39,895
Speaker 3: When you say taking us to the tribunal, what tribunal

956
00:52:39,975 --> 00:52:40,735
Speaker 3: do you refer to.

957
00:52:41,775 --> 00:52:49,615
Speaker 15: Well, it's just the normal tribunal, very small yeah, yeah, yeah,

958
00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:56,695
Speaker 15: claiming that and it's very vague in how they presented

959
00:52:57,415 --> 00:53:03,535
Speaker 15: any figure between six and twelve thousand dollars. Trying to understand,

960
00:53:03,895 --> 00:53:09,775
Speaker 15: But my belief is they should have notified the owners

961
00:53:10,575 --> 00:53:13,975
Speaker 15: or the old owners the time of the incident that

962
00:53:14,095 --> 00:53:16,415
Speaker 15: there was a problem, and hey, we're going to have

963
00:53:16,655 --> 00:53:19,695
Speaker 15: we've notified you now. Now there's room for discussions on

964
00:53:19,775 --> 00:53:23,695
Speaker 15: the track. But now they've had the thing repaired. Now

965
00:53:23,735 --> 00:53:26,015
Speaker 15: they're coming in and saying, right, we're going to hit

966
00:53:26,055 --> 00:53:32,615
Speaker 15: you with this bill. Any views. I've spoken to a

967
00:53:32,775 --> 00:53:35,695
Speaker 15: number of people. Everyone up and just says, no, that's

968
00:53:35,775 --> 00:53:36,175
Speaker 15: not right.

969
00:53:36,335 --> 00:53:39,655
Speaker 3: Yeah, ultimately, I mean, ultimately you and your friends should

970
00:53:39,695 --> 00:53:42,215
Speaker 3: seek legal advice. But can I just to summarize it,

971
00:53:42,255 --> 00:53:43,375
Speaker 3: and I don't want to spend too long on this.

972
00:53:43,855 --> 00:53:46,695
Speaker 3: So the people that you are friends with, they owned

973
00:53:46,775 --> 00:53:50,495
Speaker 3: that property and then they sold it and the new

974
00:53:50,615 --> 00:53:54,935
Speaker 3: owners have discovered a leak and they have then had

975
00:53:55,015 --> 00:53:57,375
Speaker 3: some work done and they've sent them the bill for

976
00:53:57,495 --> 00:53:57,815
Speaker 3: the work.

977
00:53:58,655 --> 00:53:58,975
Speaker 6: Correct.

978
00:53:59,215 --> 00:54:03,255
Speaker 3: Okay, at the time when your friends sold the property,

979
00:54:03,415 --> 00:54:07,615
Speaker 3: did they were they aware of any issues around leak? Like,

980
00:54:07,855 --> 00:54:09,895
Speaker 3: genuinely not aware of any issues.

981
00:54:10,735 --> 00:54:13,815
Speaker 15: No, there was two leaks and they were repaired and

982
00:54:13,935 --> 00:54:17,415
Speaker 15: they were repaired professionally. The guy took photos of the repair,

983
00:54:18,055 --> 00:54:20,255
Speaker 15: so that was and they were not defied of that, and.

984
00:54:21,975 --> 00:54:24,015
Speaker 3: That was that was declared at the time of the

985
00:54:24,095 --> 00:54:24,855
Speaker 3: Salem purchase.

986
00:54:25,695 --> 00:54:31,415
Speaker 15: Correct, Okay, and I'm spoken with legal people and they

987
00:54:31,535 --> 00:54:34,415
Speaker 15: are tearing their areat that's what I thought. I'm running

988
00:54:34,455 --> 00:54:34,655
Speaker 15: out of.

989
00:54:35,455 --> 00:54:35,655
Speaker 7: Yeah.

990
00:54:35,815 --> 00:54:39,935
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to venture into this. I mean,

991
00:54:40,095 --> 00:54:42,455
Speaker 3: I shouldn't write because I'm not a lawyer, but I

992
00:54:42,575 --> 00:54:45,335
Speaker 3: would have thought that from everything that I've read about

993
00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:47,895
Speaker 3: these sorts of disputes, it often centers on whether or

994
00:54:47,935 --> 00:54:51,855
Speaker 3: not there is the duty to declare right and to disclose.

995
00:54:51,975 --> 00:54:54,775
Speaker 3: So if if, for example, there'd been a persistent leak,

996
00:54:55,175 --> 00:54:57,295
Speaker 3: your friends had tried to fix it, they kind of

997
00:54:57,375 --> 00:54:59,535
Speaker 3: hoped that they'd got it fixed, but you never really

998
00:54:59,615 --> 00:55:02,535
Speaker 3: know until it rains again, and then they didn't declare

999
00:55:02,615 --> 00:55:06,095
Speaker 3: that at the Salem purchase or at the time of negotiation,

1000
00:55:07,015 --> 00:55:09,895
Speaker 3: and then at leaked you'd understand that the new purchaser

1001
00:55:10,015 --> 00:55:13,095
Speaker 3: would want to go them for some costs. Saying that.

1002
00:55:14,575 --> 00:55:20,255
Speaker 3: My understanding also of remedial work is let's say I'm

1003
00:55:20,335 --> 00:55:22,615
Speaker 3: the client and I don't do a great job. I'm

1004
00:55:22,655 --> 00:55:24,375
Speaker 3: the builder and I don't do a great job. For

1005
00:55:24,415 --> 00:55:26,935
Speaker 3: a client, and they decide to get someone in to

1006
00:55:27,055 --> 00:55:29,255
Speaker 3: fix it, and then they send me the bill and go,

1007
00:55:29,415 --> 00:55:31,935
Speaker 3: you have to pay for that. I don't have to

1008
00:55:31,975 --> 00:55:34,575
Speaker 3: pay it because they didn't give me the opportunity of

1009
00:55:34,615 --> 00:55:38,095
Speaker 3: fixing it. So I wonder whether the claim might be

1010
00:55:38,255 --> 00:55:41,415
Speaker 3: struck out because they didn't. You can't just send someone

1011
00:55:41,455 --> 00:55:43,215
Speaker 3: a bill for work if you haven't told them you're

1012
00:55:43,255 --> 00:55:46,735
Speaker 3: going to have the work done exactly. That's kind of

1013
00:55:46,735 --> 00:55:49,375
Speaker 3: where I would be, But hey, look I ain't no lawyer,

1014
00:55:50,015 --> 00:55:54,335
Speaker 3: so I'll take a step back from there. Good luck

1015
00:55:54,375 --> 00:55:55,695
Speaker 3: with that, and good on you for being such a

1016
00:55:55,735 --> 00:56:00,415
Speaker 3: good mate to those people. I might have a cruise by, righty, Oh,

1017
00:56:00,495 --> 00:56:02,175
Speaker 3: we'll take a short break. We'll talk to Paul in

1018
00:56:02,295 --> 00:56:03,815
Speaker 3: just a moment if you'd like to join us. We're

1019
00:56:03,815 --> 00:56:06,735
Speaker 3: talking building, We're talking nuts and bolt stuff, doing an

1020
00:56:07,215 --> 00:56:12,775
Speaker 3: enormously unscientific, unreliable pole. Could you put a sixty square

1021
00:56:12,855 --> 00:56:16,135
Speaker 3: meter my granny flat? Because that's the way that the

1022
00:56:16,215 --> 00:56:19,935
Speaker 3: legislation is referring to it on your existing property. The

1023
00:56:20,015 --> 00:56:22,015
Speaker 3: person that texts me and goes, how many could I

1024
00:56:22,095 --> 00:56:24,695
Speaker 3: put on eighty eight acres? Or are you just showing off?

1025
00:56:24,775 --> 00:56:26,575
Speaker 3: But I get the point just one, by the way,

1026
00:56:26,735 --> 00:56:29,175
Speaker 3: is the answer to that question? Twenty two minutes after

1027
00:56:29,215 --> 00:56:30,215
Speaker 3: seven back in a month.

1028
00:56:30,855 --> 00:56:35,255
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1029
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1030
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Speaker 1: flick the switch to solar.

1031
00:56:40,055 --> 00:56:42,895
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1032
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1033
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1034
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1048
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Speaker 2: News Talk ZB your.

1049
00:57:49,055 --> 00:57:51,695
Speaker 3: News talk ZB. If you've got a question, eight hundred

1050
00:57:51,775 --> 00:57:53,975
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. I'm loving

1051
00:57:54,055 --> 00:58:00,695
Speaker 3: the responses to the I quite genuinely, I'm surprised the

1052
00:58:00,815 --> 00:58:03,215
Speaker 3: number of people that have been able to reply yes

1053
00:58:03,375 --> 00:58:06,775
Speaker 3: to my question. My question is could you put a

1054
00:58:07,335 --> 00:58:09,495
Speaker 3: up to sixty square meet let's call it a sixty

1055
00:58:09,535 --> 00:58:11,935
Speaker 3: square met of granny flat on the property that you're

1056
00:58:12,015 --> 00:58:17,615
Speaker 3: in right now? And I think right now more people

1057
00:58:17,655 --> 00:58:20,095
Speaker 3: have said yes than not, which intrigues me. Paul A,

1058
00:58:20,215 --> 00:58:20,975
Speaker 3: very good morning to you.

1059
00:58:22,055 --> 00:58:27,775
Speaker 16: Good morning bye. My issue is I've got a nineteen

1060
00:58:27,895 --> 00:58:32,775
Speaker 16: seventies eighties townhouse which had some main major renovations done

1061
00:58:32,775 --> 00:58:37,615
Speaker 16: about seven years ago, and included that was a bathroom

1062
00:58:37,615 --> 00:58:41,855
Speaker 16: for out which is upstairs, and the bathroom has got

1063
00:58:41,975 --> 00:58:46,175
Speaker 16: floor to ceiling tiles. Yes, And a few weeks ago

1064
00:58:46,415 --> 00:58:48,935
Speaker 16: I noticed that there was a damp area in the

1065
00:58:49,055 --> 00:58:54,935
Speaker 16: carpet as she walked into the bathroom. Right, so I

1066
00:58:55,735 --> 00:58:57,535
Speaker 16: and we went away from those weeks up dried out

1067
00:58:57,535 --> 00:58:59,415
Speaker 16: a bit, so I had a bit more of an investigation.

1068
00:59:00,215 --> 00:59:02,215
Speaker 16: And also what I did not is when I lifted

1069
00:59:02,255 --> 00:59:04,575
Speaker 16: the carpet in this area there was a few ants.

1070
00:59:05,135 --> 00:59:07,855
Speaker 16: So anyway, I went and looked in the shower and

1071
00:59:08,015 --> 00:59:10,895
Speaker 16: I found a small hole in the grout where the

1072
00:59:12,415 --> 00:59:18,255
Speaker 16: wall and the floor neat, probably outside of our cloud head.

1073
00:59:20,055 --> 00:59:23,135
Speaker 16: And I also noticed one of demands probably coming from

1074
00:59:23,175 --> 00:59:30,695
Speaker 16: that hole. So, yeah, I've got this leak in the ground. Well,

1075
00:59:30,735 --> 00:59:32,495
Speaker 16: I've only found the one hole. I mean that might

1076
00:59:32,575 --> 00:59:35,535
Speaker 16: be a little bit more, but I'm not sure. What

1077
00:59:35,615 --> 00:59:38,095
Speaker 16: would you suggest. I don't want to fix it myself

1078
00:59:39,135 --> 00:59:42,735
Speaker 16: because I don't think I'm capable, But how would you

1079
00:59:42,815 --> 00:59:43,415
Speaker 16: approach this?

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00:59:47,335 --> 00:59:52,295
Speaker 3: The bad newsers, the groud's not the problem, right, So

1081
00:59:52,415 --> 00:59:57,375
Speaker 3: groud's not really there to keep water out. The waterproofing

1082
00:59:57,775 --> 01:00:01,735
Speaker 3: compound or the waterproofing system beyond the groud is what

1083
01:00:01,935 --> 01:00:08,375
Speaker 3: should be containing the spread of moisture. So h m hm,

1084
01:00:09,055 --> 01:00:11,535
Speaker 3: given that the work was done seven years ago, did

1085
01:00:11,655 --> 01:00:12,615
Speaker 3: you have the work done?

1086
01:00:14,095 --> 01:00:14,135
Speaker 13: So?

1087
01:00:15,295 --> 01:00:15,855
Speaker 8: I had a.

1088
01:00:18,175 --> 01:00:25,415
Speaker 16: I had a project manager and she the builders were

1089
01:00:25,575 --> 01:00:26,535
Speaker 16: contracted to me.

1090
01:00:26,895 --> 01:00:28,255
Speaker 10: The major.

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01:00:29,535 --> 01:00:35,255
Speaker 16: Like the electrician, the builder were contracted to me, so

1092
01:00:35,335 --> 01:00:36,735
Speaker 16: I signed an agreement with them.

1093
01:00:38,575 --> 01:00:42,415
Speaker 3: Okay, did the work require a building consent at the time,

1094
01:00:42,575 --> 01:00:44,375
Speaker 3: or did you get a building consent for the work.

1095
01:00:45,935 --> 01:00:48,575
Speaker 16: That's that's that I'm not sure about, because I left

1096
01:00:48,615 --> 01:00:55,495
Speaker 16: that up to her. All the stuff I sort of record.

1097
01:00:55,695 --> 01:00:58,855
Speaker 16: I believe that I do recall something about the ceiling

1098
01:00:58,935 --> 01:00:59,615
Speaker 16: being done, you know.

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01:01:00,175 --> 01:01:07,895
Speaker 3: Yeah, the waterproof and yeah, so okay. So I think

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01:01:07,935 --> 01:01:09,815
Speaker 3: the long the short of it is there's a failure

1101
01:01:09,935 --> 01:01:14,295
Speaker 3: of the waterproofing and that you've got leaking either in

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01:01:14,375 --> 01:01:17,975
Speaker 3: the shower or an in adjacent area. Now, given that

1103
01:01:18,055 --> 01:01:20,295
Speaker 3: the work was done about seven years ago, I would

1104
01:01:20,335 --> 01:01:22,415
Speaker 3: be on the phone to the person who was the

1105
01:01:22,495 --> 01:01:25,615
Speaker 3: project manager. They will probably try and run for the hills.

1106
01:01:25,735 --> 01:01:30,375
Speaker 3: Then I talk to the builder and I would check

1107
01:01:30,415 --> 01:01:33,095
Speaker 3: whether or not that builder is a licensed building practitioner,

1108
01:01:34,015 --> 01:01:39,975
Speaker 3: and I would remind them of their obligations to basically

1109
01:01:40,135 --> 01:01:43,295
Speaker 3: stand by their work right, and it's sort of an

1110
01:01:43,335 --> 01:01:46,735
Speaker 3: implied warranty is that things should last for at least

1111
01:01:46,775 --> 01:01:50,015
Speaker 3: ten years, and you're within that ten year window. So

1112
01:01:50,255 --> 01:01:53,375
Speaker 3: that's where I would start project manager first, then onto

1113
01:01:53,415 --> 01:01:56,215
Speaker 3: the builder. The builder, if that's who you paid the

1114
01:01:56,295 --> 01:02:01,215
Speaker 3: bill to, I think is still responsible and liable for

1115
01:02:01,295 --> 01:02:05,015
Speaker 3: the work. They then would need to come out and investigate.

1116
01:02:06,375 --> 01:02:11,095
Speaker 3: If they are still in business with the waterproofer or

1117
01:02:11,175 --> 01:02:14,015
Speaker 3: the tyler, they could then get them on board. But

1118
01:02:14,135 --> 01:02:17,975
Speaker 3: I would start there before you start investigating yourself.

1119
01:02:18,535 --> 01:02:20,975
Speaker 16: Yeah, so that tyler was independent to be in so

1120
01:02:21,135 --> 01:02:26,255
Speaker 16: that the project managers. Sure, smaller people involved. So but

1121
01:02:26,935 --> 01:02:31,415
Speaker 16: as you're saying, it's actually it's it's the builder. It's

1122
01:02:31,455 --> 01:02:32,855
Speaker 16: not so much the tiler here.

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01:02:33,775 --> 01:02:36,495
Speaker 3: It's it's who you paid, basically is where I would

1124
01:02:36,535 --> 01:02:39,575
Speaker 3: start with. So if if the invoice from the builder

1125
01:02:39,735 --> 01:02:43,455
Speaker 3: included the tyler's work, then I would. I would chase

1126
01:02:43,495 --> 01:02:46,735
Speaker 3: the builder. If you've got a separate invoice directly from

1127
01:02:46,775 --> 01:02:50,135
Speaker 3: the tyler who may or may not have done the waterproofing,

1128
01:02:50,575 --> 01:02:54,215
Speaker 3: then I would. I would do that. So I'd start

1129
01:02:54,255 --> 01:02:56,695
Speaker 3: there and then try that and then give me a

1130
01:02:56,775 --> 01:02:58,855
Speaker 3: call back and let me know if you if you

1131
01:02:58,895 --> 01:03:01,015
Speaker 3: don't have any luck with that, then we'll try some

1132
01:03:01,135 --> 01:03:03,735
Speaker 3: other avenues. But I would start there, you know, as

1133
01:03:03,895 --> 01:03:07,775
Speaker 3: as lbps and as business owners responsible for our work. Right,

1134
01:03:07,935 --> 01:03:13,375
Speaker 3: and showers shouldn't leak after seven years, you know, should

1135
01:03:13,375 --> 01:03:17,695
Speaker 3: they leak after twenty? Ideally not, but it's probably not unreasonable.

1136
01:03:18,455 --> 01:03:21,495
Speaker 3: But after seven years, I think you need to pursue them,

1137
01:03:22,735 --> 01:03:25,015
Speaker 3: So start there and good luck with it because it's

1138
01:03:25,055 --> 01:03:27,255
Speaker 3: a hell of a journey race. Good morning to you,

1139
01:03:28,615 --> 01:03:29,495
Speaker 3: Hey Pete.

1140
01:03:29,295 --> 01:03:30,415
Speaker 17: Hey mate, love your work.

1141
01:03:30,575 --> 01:03:31,015
Speaker 3: Thank you, Bud.

1142
01:03:32,855 --> 01:03:34,935
Speaker 17: My questions around your credit flat?

1143
01:03:35,215 --> 01:03:37,055
Speaker 12: Yeah, g flat situation.

1144
01:03:37,295 --> 01:03:39,455
Speaker 17: So I moved into my place about six years ago.

1145
01:03:40,175 --> 01:03:42,455
Speaker 17: It was an existing shed on it twelve by seven

1146
01:03:42,535 --> 01:03:47,535
Speaker 17: sheep ten sheet on concrete slaven. It was already split

1147
01:03:47,615 --> 01:03:50,535
Speaker 17: in half on the internally, so that had a wall

1148
01:03:50,615 --> 01:03:51,655
Speaker 17: put up at about.

1149
01:03:53,935 --> 01:03:54,935
Speaker 10: Six meters.

1150
01:03:56,175 --> 01:03:57,175
Speaker 17: And length of the ship.

1151
01:03:58,295 --> 01:03:59,495
Speaker 3: If you get me, I'm with you, yep.

1152
01:03:59,535 --> 01:04:01,575
Speaker 17: And then it's it's like a hobby room out the

1153
01:04:01,655 --> 01:04:04,455
Speaker 17: back that by six meters by seven meters yep.

1154
01:04:05,255 --> 01:04:06,055
Speaker 12: As I split that.

1155
01:04:06,055 --> 01:04:09,695
Speaker 17: Again into two bedrooms, plus put another couple of walls

1156
01:04:09,775 --> 01:04:13,855
Speaker 17: up for a bathroom, so you walk through the bathroom

1157
01:04:13,975 --> 01:04:16,775
Speaker 17: and then walk through another door into the flat area. Gotcha,

1158
01:04:18,295 --> 01:04:21,215
Speaker 17: had no plumbing, so I had the plumbers come around,

1159
01:04:21,495 --> 01:04:24,615
Speaker 17: bag the drains and put the drains into the gally traps,

1160
01:04:24,615 --> 01:04:26,575
Speaker 17: took it up to the main and had that all

1161
01:04:26,695 --> 01:04:27,895
Speaker 17: signed off by the council.

1162
01:04:28,455 --> 01:04:30,415
Speaker 3: How did you get it signed off by the council?

1163
01:04:30,695 --> 01:04:32,735
Speaker 3: Did you get a building consent for all of this work.

1164
01:04:34,175 --> 01:04:35,695
Speaker 17: Now, it was through the plumber because I was doing

1165
01:04:35,695 --> 01:04:38,335
Speaker 17: a plumbing apprenticeship time, So I had my boss file

1166
01:04:39,175 --> 01:04:43,255
Speaker 17: and file for it through simply or something through to

1167
01:04:43,375 --> 01:04:45,895
Speaker 17: the council. And then they came around and done inspicchen

1168
01:04:45,975 --> 01:04:49,095
Speaker 17: on the drainage or covered it back over and then

1169
01:04:49,175 --> 01:04:49,895
Speaker 17: they signed it off.

1170
01:04:51,615 --> 01:04:53,055
Speaker 3: How could they sign it off if you didn't have

1171
01:04:53,095 --> 01:04:55,135
Speaker 3: a building consent? Did you only get a consent for

1172
01:04:55,415 --> 01:05:00,895
Speaker 3: adding drainage or waste just a drainage? And they didn't

1173
01:05:00,975 --> 01:05:03,135
Speaker 3: go why is it that you want to put a

1174
01:05:03,975 --> 01:05:07,495
Speaker 3: wastewater connection to a shed? Is that because you're putting

1175
01:05:07,535 --> 01:05:09,375
Speaker 3: a toilet in it? If you're putting a toilet in it,

1176
01:05:09,495 --> 01:05:11,775
Speaker 3: does that then become a habitable space? If it's now

1177
01:05:11,815 --> 01:05:14,055
Speaker 3: a habitable space but it was originally a shed, do

1178
01:05:14,095 --> 01:05:16,175
Speaker 3: you have a change of use? In order to get

1179
01:05:16,215 --> 01:05:17,775
Speaker 3: a change of use you need a building consent.

1180
01:05:18,895 --> 01:05:20,855
Speaker 17: Now, they never asked any of that. They just I'd

1181
01:05:20,935 --> 01:05:23,015
Speaker 17: just done the drainage too, and it had on the

1182
01:05:23,095 --> 01:05:27,775
Speaker 17: plans the toilet and the gully trap was for the

1183
01:05:27,935 --> 01:05:33,535
Speaker 17: washing machine for the laundry. Anyway, Yeah, that was two

1184
01:05:33,655 --> 01:05:34,015
Speaker 17: years ago.

1185
01:05:35,295 --> 01:05:37,095
Speaker 12: But I never I never got a thought.

1186
01:05:37,575 --> 01:05:40,855
Speaker 17: For the internal walls was the ones that I put

1187
01:05:40,935 --> 01:05:45,415
Speaker 17: up because there was already an internal wall and all

1188
01:05:45,495 --> 01:05:49,055
Speaker 17: that back area was already insulated and lined and had

1189
01:05:49,095 --> 01:05:53,455
Speaker 17: electrical and everything, and anyway, that was done back in

1190
01:05:53,655 --> 01:05:57,775
Speaker 17: two thousand, I think it was. But then the internal

1191
01:05:57,855 --> 01:06:02,255
Speaker 17: plumbing was the shower and the catchenette. I haven't had that.

1192
01:06:02,295 --> 01:06:06,815
Speaker 17: I've never got a pre line inspection on that either.

1193
01:06:07,695 --> 01:06:09,895
Speaker 17: But what those new laws are you still getting me

1194
01:06:10,015 --> 01:06:12,455
Speaker 17: to get inspections on all that stuff.

1195
01:06:14,495 --> 01:06:17,015
Speaker 3: No, but the new law hasn't The new law hasn't

1196
01:06:17,055 --> 01:06:19,775
Speaker 3: come into place yet, so and you won't get a

1197
01:06:19,895 --> 01:06:24,415
Speaker 3: retrospective building consent. And I would say you'd probably struggle

1198
01:06:24,495 --> 01:06:27,295
Speaker 3: to get a certificate of acceptance without providing a lot

1199
01:06:27,335 --> 01:06:32,015
Speaker 3: of documentation. So it sounds like most of what has

1200
01:06:32,095 --> 01:06:36,575
Speaker 3: happened there is non compliant in terms of you know,

1201
01:06:36,855 --> 01:06:39,335
Speaker 3: having like you do need a building consent if you're

1202
01:06:39,335 --> 01:06:43,055
Speaker 3: going to do change of use at the moment, and

1203
01:06:44,295 --> 01:06:46,095
Speaker 3: you know, if there is a building consent, you should

1204
01:06:46,095 --> 01:06:48,055
Speaker 3: be able to ring counsel and go, can you see

1205
01:06:48,135 --> 01:06:50,095
Speaker 3: me the property file and tell me all of the

1206
01:06:50,175 --> 01:06:54,895
Speaker 3: building consents that were issued for this property personally? And

1207
01:06:55,215 --> 01:06:58,775
Speaker 3: I'd be delighted if I was wrong here, But I

1208
01:06:59,175 --> 01:07:03,015
Speaker 3: can't see how you would get a building inspected to

1209
01:07:03,135 --> 01:07:05,375
Speaker 3: sign off on work given that there was no building

1210
01:07:05,495 --> 01:07:09,295
Speaker 3: consent sign off. Now maybe there is a limited consent,

1211
01:07:09,495 --> 01:07:12,415
Speaker 3: but I've never heard of them. But again, I'd be

1212
01:07:12,495 --> 01:07:13,735
Speaker 3: more than happy to be wrong.

1213
01:07:15,295 --> 01:07:15,375
Speaker 2: So.

1214
01:07:16,935 --> 01:07:19,775
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd be delighted as well. But look, I think

1215
01:07:19,855 --> 01:07:22,615
Speaker 3: go to council, request the property file and see what's

1216
01:07:22,655 --> 01:07:26,775
Speaker 3: actually on there, because that'll give you an idea of

1217
01:07:26,855 --> 01:07:31,295
Speaker 3: what's already happened and whether or not it's compliant. But yeah, look,

1218
01:07:31,575 --> 01:07:34,575
Speaker 3: and I think too just going forward to what we're

1219
01:07:34,895 --> 01:07:37,775
Speaker 3: kind of talking about in terms of adding granny flats

1220
01:07:37,775 --> 01:07:40,495
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, the requirement is that you

1221
01:07:40,575 --> 01:07:42,895
Speaker 3: can do it without necessarily getting a building consent, but

1222
01:07:42,975 --> 01:07:44,975
Speaker 3: it still has to be to the building code, right,

1223
01:07:45,375 --> 01:07:48,335
Speaker 3: so you need to be able to fast prove compliance,

1224
01:07:49,335 --> 01:07:52,615
Speaker 3: which means getting a designer and etc. The challenge with

1225
01:07:52,855 --> 01:07:55,975
Speaker 3: the work that you've done and what's already there is

1226
01:07:56,135 --> 01:07:59,095
Speaker 3: that you know it was never designed to be a

1227
01:07:59,135 --> 01:08:02,335
Speaker 3: habitable space. So is there a vapor barrier underneath the slab?

1228
01:08:02,735 --> 01:08:05,855
Speaker 3: Is there installation in the walls? Is there building paper

1229
01:08:05,895 --> 01:08:08,535
Speaker 3: on the outis all of those things that make how

1230
01:08:08,775 --> 01:08:12,855
Speaker 3: a home compliant. It would be very difficult in order

1231
01:08:12,975 --> 01:08:16,055
Speaker 3: to prove that now, and the burden of proof is

1232
01:08:16,095 --> 01:08:17,695
Speaker 3: going to be on you if you wanted to go

1233
01:08:17,815 --> 01:08:20,575
Speaker 3: for a Steviet of acceptance. So start with the council

1234
01:08:20,775 --> 01:08:22,535
Speaker 3: and see how you get on from there. I'll be

1235
01:08:22,575 --> 01:08:24,975
Speaker 3: fascinated to see where that ends up. Oh, eight hundred

1236
01:08:25,055 --> 01:08:27,215
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. We're rocking along this morning. Actually we're

1237
01:08:27,215 --> 01:08:29,175
Speaker 3: going so fast I need to take a break, So

1238
01:08:29,455 --> 01:08:32,175
Speaker 3: we'll be back with Reece number two in just a moment.

1239
01:08:34,295 --> 01:08:35,855
Speaker 2: Doing upper house sorting the garden.

1240
01:08:35,975 --> 01:08:38,855
Speaker 1: Ask Pete for a hand the resident builder with Peter

1241
01:08:38,935 --> 01:08:42,375
Speaker 1: Wolfcamp and light Force Solar, Get your solar saver, pag

1242
01:08:42,535 --> 01:08:45,895
Speaker 1: now col Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talks.

1243
01:08:45,895 --> 01:08:47,415
Speaker 2: That'd be just a couple of.

1244
01:08:47,455 --> 01:08:49,615
Speaker 3: Texts with regard to the issue that we were talking

1245
01:08:49,615 --> 01:08:54,335
Speaker 3: about with Paul and the bathroom that's leaking love. This

1246
01:08:54,495 --> 01:08:57,415
Speaker 3: one from Murray Murray, Pete, can I wring you about

1247
01:08:57,455 --> 01:09:00,175
Speaker 3: that shower? Of course you can, Murray, I think you're

1248
01:09:00,175 --> 01:09:02,655
Speaker 3: asking the wrong questions, mate. I'm a tyler thirty five

1249
01:09:02,735 --> 01:09:04,495
Speaker 3: years experience. I think it might not be as bad

1250
01:09:04,535 --> 01:09:06,855
Speaker 3: as it is. Yep, you're more than welcome direct a

1251
01:09:07,335 --> 01:09:10,175
Speaker 3: similar issue to the person before with the shower. The

1252
01:09:10,215 --> 01:09:12,055
Speaker 3: builder said the ceilant around the base of the shower

1253
01:09:12,055 --> 01:09:14,335
Speaker 3: will only last five years and then replace it. Doesn't

1254
01:09:14,335 --> 01:09:16,935
Speaker 3: sound correct from what you were saying. Well, if the

1255
01:09:17,575 --> 01:09:21,535
Speaker 3: seilant around the shower is deteriorating, yes, by all means,

1256
01:09:21,655 --> 01:09:25,375
Speaker 3: replace it and it acts as a first line of defense. However,

1257
01:09:26,055 --> 01:09:28,935
Speaker 3: even if water gets past the ceilant, it shouldn't then

1258
01:09:29,015 --> 01:09:31,615
Speaker 3: be tracking out onto the floor or through the bottom

1259
01:09:31,655 --> 01:09:34,535
Speaker 3: plate and be visible in the carpet some distance away

1260
01:09:34,575 --> 01:09:37,015
Speaker 3: from the shower. That's my point. That's where I think

1261
01:09:37,015 --> 01:09:40,535
Speaker 3: it's probably a failure for the waterproofing system. We'll talk

1262
01:09:40,535 --> 01:09:42,375
Speaker 3: about that if you wish. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1263
01:09:42,455 --> 01:09:44,735
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call Reece A very

1264
01:09:44,775 --> 01:09:45,375
Speaker 3: good morning to you.

1265
01:09:46,415 --> 01:09:48,935
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning, good morning. I've run you four years ago,

1266
01:09:49,335 --> 01:09:50,015
Speaker 9: four years ago.

1267
01:09:50,175 --> 01:09:53,335
Speaker 3: Please forgive me call.

1268
01:09:55,095 --> 01:09:57,735
Speaker 9: I know you won't, but I'm building two of these

1269
01:09:58,095 --> 01:10:01,415
Speaker 9: smaller buildings, smaller than what you were talking about.

1270
01:10:01,935 --> 01:10:02,135
Speaker 6: Yep.

1271
01:10:02,415 --> 01:10:04,255
Speaker 9: Is it the moment that you put water into it,

1272
01:10:04,335 --> 01:10:07,015
Speaker 9: it becomes a council issue on Kevity Coast.

1273
01:10:07,215 --> 01:10:11,095
Speaker 3: That's pretty much the rule right now. What they're saying is, hey,

1274
01:10:11,575 --> 01:10:15,375
Speaker 3: maybe in certain circumstances you could put one on the

1275
01:10:15,455 --> 01:10:17,575
Speaker 3: back of a property if there's enough space, and it

1276
01:10:17,655 --> 01:10:20,295
Speaker 3: could be up to sixty square meters, and you may

1277
01:10:20,415 --> 01:10:23,535
Speaker 3: not need a building consent for that, which means you

1278
01:10:23,615 --> 01:10:25,415
Speaker 3: can do the work. It still has to comply with

1279
01:10:25,455 --> 01:10:27,015
Speaker 3: the building code, but you don't have to go through

1280
01:10:27,055 --> 01:10:28,495
Speaker 3: the regamarole of getting a consent.

1281
01:10:29,495 --> 01:10:32,255
Speaker 9: What about a supportable home that you've got on your place.

1282
01:10:33,175 --> 01:10:36,335
Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately the law around that is as clear as mud.

1283
01:10:37,655 --> 01:10:41,255
Speaker 3: So there's all sorts of absurdities around the tiny home

1284
01:10:41,335 --> 01:10:44,095
Speaker 3: thing where people are going, look, if it's got wheels

1285
01:10:44,135 --> 01:10:46,815
Speaker 3: on it, therefore it's not a house, it's a caravan

1286
01:10:46,935 --> 01:10:49,695
Speaker 3: and it could be moved off. I was talking to

1287
01:10:49,775 --> 01:10:52,295
Speaker 3: someone the other day who had a tiny home delivered

1288
01:10:52,335 --> 01:10:55,255
Speaker 3: to site and the builder is not going to nail

1289
01:10:55,295 --> 01:10:59,375
Speaker 3: it down to the foundations to the because he said,

1290
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Speaker 3: as soon as I do that, then it's no longer transportable.

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01:11:02,655 --> 01:11:04,375
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what, So it's just going to sit

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01:11:04,415 --> 01:11:06,775
Speaker 3: there waiting for the wind to blow it off the piles.

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01:11:07,415 --> 01:11:10,735
Speaker 3: That's not very smart either. So there's some absurdity around

1294
01:11:11,215 --> 01:11:14,175
Speaker 3: the existing tiny home stuff, and in this instance here

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01:11:14,215 --> 01:11:17,415
Speaker 3: the granny flat legislation will help free that up. And

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01:11:17,495 --> 01:11:21,055
Speaker 3: I look, I hope that I'm not giving the impression

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01:11:21,095 --> 01:11:23,935
Speaker 3: that somehow I don't support it. I do, actually and

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01:11:24,015 --> 01:11:26,975
Speaker 3: principles support it. I think it could open up a

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01:11:27,055 --> 01:11:31,615
Speaker 3: lot of space and allow families to have that opportunity,

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01:11:31,735 --> 01:11:38,415
Speaker 3: maybe for older parents or for you know, teenage children

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01:11:38,775 --> 01:11:44,975
Speaker 3: or extended family to find housing that's affordable right, and

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01:11:45,655 --> 01:11:48,015
Speaker 3: multi generational living, all of those sorts of things could

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01:11:48,055 --> 01:11:51,215
Speaker 3: be a really good thing from this. It's just I

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01:11:51,455 --> 01:11:54,175
Speaker 3: know that there's a lot of detail to getting a

1305
01:11:54,255 --> 01:11:56,455
Speaker 3: house right, and how do you get the detail right

1306
01:11:56,495 --> 01:11:58,815
Speaker 3: if you don't have counsel looking over your back. But

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01:11:59,135 --> 01:12:01,055
Speaker 3: maybe we should just grow up and get better at building.

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01:12:02,335 --> 01:12:05,935
Speaker 9: I was building a house and the builder walked away

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01:12:06,015 --> 01:12:08,695
Speaker 9: because got it all wrong, and the council walked away

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01:12:08,735 --> 01:12:10,415
Speaker 9: and left me with no house. That's what I rung

1311
01:12:10,455 --> 01:12:13,495
Speaker 9: you about four years ago. I've been doing my own

1312
01:12:13,615 --> 01:12:18,975
Speaker 9: legal trying to but it's too expensive to afford any lawyers.

1313
01:12:19,015 --> 01:12:20,295
Speaker 9: You said you were going to get backing on some

1314
01:12:20,375 --> 01:12:22,455
Speaker 9: of these law and a construction lawyer because the five

1315
01:12:22,575 --> 01:12:24,175
Speaker 9: hundred and fifty six hundred bucks an hour.

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01:12:24,815 --> 01:12:27,015
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. All the guys that I know would

1317
01:12:27,055 --> 01:12:28,895
Speaker 3: be more than that. So I'm not sure if I

1318
01:12:29,015 --> 01:12:29,495
Speaker 3: go out much.

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01:12:29,615 --> 01:12:29,775
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:12:29,815 --> 01:12:35,095
Speaker 9: Yeah, unfortunate, but that's the only reason why I'm losing

1321
01:12:35,175 --> 01:12:40,055
Speaker 9: my case. I have engineers reports, builders reports, I took photos, emails,

1322
01:12:41,055 --> 01:12:43,935
Speaker 9: but it's still going since I rang you four years ago,

1323
01:12:44,095 --> 01:12:46,695
Speaker 9: because I did the right thing by taking the photos

1324
01:12:46,975 --> 01:12:47,775
Speaker 9: and doing everything.

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01:12:48,335 --> 01:12:51,855
Speaker 3: When you started building the dwellings that you've done, did

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01:12:51,935 --> 01:12:53,935
Speaker 3: you get a building consent for the work at the time?

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01:12:54,415 --> 01:12:56,735
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, yeh, it's all paid for. That's what I say.

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01:12:56,815 --> 01:13:00,695
Speaker 9: The council even I wasn't built to consent, The builders

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01:13:00,735 --> 01:13:02,855
Speaker 9: didn't build to consent, and the council didn't inspect.

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01:13:04,735 --> 01:13:06,975
Speaker 3: How did the council not inspect?

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01:13:08,335 --> 01:13:10,775
Speaker 9: They come up and failed the first inspection, they never

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01:13:10,855 --> 01:13:13,335
Speaker 9: inspected anything else and see the builds to carry on.

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01:13:13,455 --> 01:13:14,215
Speaker 12: They got it all wrong.

1334
01:13:14,735 --> 01:13:17,135
Speaker 9: Now I got an engineer's report, builders reports say it's

1335
01:13:17,175 --> 01:13:19,095
Speaker 9: not even built to the building consent.

1336
01:13:19,975 --> 01:13:22,855
Speaker 3: Okay, so really this is about suing the builder for

1337
01:13:23,015 --> 01:13:25,015
Speaker 3: building non compliantly.

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01:13:25,775 --> 01:13:28,695
Speaker 9: No, the council let them build. No, no, no dudior

1339
01:13:28,775 --> 01:13:29,775
Speaker 9: care responsibility.

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01:13:30,735 --> 01:13:33,935
Speaker 3: Look, I can see why counsel are not going to

1341
01:13:34,055 --> 01:13:38,095
Speaker 3: engage with you on that. In the end, if let's

1342
01:13:38,095 --> 01:13:42,095
Speaker 3: say the first building inspection failed and maybe you as

1343
01:13:42,135 --> 01:13:44,735
Speaker 3: the client didn't know about it, and your builder carried

1344
01:13:44,775 --> 01:13:47,495
Speaker 3: on working knowing that they had failed the first inspection,

1345
01:13:47,655 --> 01:13:49,975
Speaker 3: then perhaps they just carried on building, didn't get any

1346
01:13:50,055 --> 01:13:52,975
Speaker 3: other inspections. That's got nothing to do with council. That's

1347
01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:54,295
Speaker 3: all down to the builder.

1348
01:13:54,735 --> 01:13:57,975
Speaker 9: So I was supposed to do when you get a

1349
01:13:58,015 --> 01:14:02,975
Speaker 9: building consent, you get the processes from MB that the

1350
01:14:03,055 --> 01:14:05,815
Speaker 9: guidelines that say the council have to inspect the rio

1351
01:14:05,935 --> 01:14:08,175
Speaker 9: and the state, they had to inspect such and such

1352
01:14:08,215 --> 01:14:08,895
Speaker 9: and such and such.

1353
01:14:09,055 --> 01:14:12,695
Speaker 3: They do, But council will only come for inspection when

1354
01:14:12,735 --> 01:14:14,975
Speaker 3: they're called to come to sit by the builder.

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01:14:15,655 --> 01:14:16,095
Speaker 9: Yeah, I did.

1356
01:14:16,175 --> 01:14:20,535
Speaker 3: I called them, you called them, and when they failed.

1357
01:14:20,375 --> 01:14:21,935
Speaker 9: I took photos and thought was wrong?

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01:14:23,015 --> 01:14:28,495
Speaker 3: Right? But when when when the inspection failed, how did

1359
01:14:28,535 --> 01:14:29,735
Speaker 3: the builder carry on working?

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01:14:29,855 --> 01:14:32,855
Speaker 9: Then that's right. The council will in carry on. If

1361
01:14:32,895 --> 01:14:34,535
Speaker 9: I've got an email saying no, you can carry on,

1362
01:14:34,815 --> 01:14:37,895
Speaker 9: that's sort of satisfactory. You can carry on, but you

1363
01:14:38,015 --> 01:14:42,855
Speaker 9: need to have photos, documents, and you know, do all

1364
01:14:42,895 --> 01:14:46,095
Speaker 9: that and take photos documents, or the building ever did

1365
01:14:46,655 --> 01:14:48,655
Speaker 9: and the council in the come and inspect.

1366
01:14:51,415 --> 01:14:54,975
Speaker 3: Were the council asked to come back and inspect you.

1367
01:14:55,095 --> 01:14:56,775
Speaker 9: I asked them to come back inspired it.

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01:14:57,375 --> 01:14:58,535
Speaker 3: Yeah, but did they turn up?

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01:14:59,535 --> 01:14:59,575
Speaker 2: No?

1370
01:15:00,815 --> 01:15:01,135
Speaker 3: Why not?

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01:15:02,695 --> 01:15:03,575
Speaker 2: That's why. That's why.

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01:15:03,735 --> 01:15:04,735
Speaker 9: That's why I'm going through this.

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01:15:04,895 --> 01:15:05,175
Speaker 2: Why not?

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01:15:05,255 --> 01:15:05,775
Speaker 9: Why didn't I?

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01:15:05,815 --> 01:15:06,175
Speaker 18: That's right?

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01:15:06,935 --> 01:15:08,695
Speaker 9: And then when they finally turned up because I had

1377
01:15:08,695 --> 01:15:12,575
Speaker 9: an engineer's report, it was too late. The builder knew

1378
01:15:12,615 --> 01:15:15,295
Speaker 9: that he was caught, even said to me the emails

1379
01:15:15,335 --> 01:15:20,055
Speaker 9: he's got all wrong and took off right. So and

1380
01:15:20,455 --> 01:15:24,095
Speaker 9: I did nothing to come up and noticed the fix,

1381
01:15:24,375 --> 01:15:25,815
Speaker 9: but too late the builder had gone.

1382
01:15:27,935 --> 01:15:31,775
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the hard thing is and I is

1383
01:15:31,855 --> 01:15:34,735
Speaker 3: that it's really the way in which the builder has

1384
01:15:34,815 --> 01:15:37,375
Speaker 3: managed the project, and potentially the way in which you've

1385
01:15:37,455 --> 01:15:38,255
Speaker 3: managed the builder.

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01:15:40,775 --> 01:15:40,895
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:15:41,175 --> 01:15:43,015
Speaker 9: Now, I asked for the council to come come and

1388
01:15:43,135 --> 01:15:45,455
Speaker 9: check it. This, you know, I could say it was.

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01:15:47,455 --> 01:15:49,215
Speaker 3: When you say you asked for the council to come

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01:15:49,255 --> 01:15:52,055
Speaker 3: out and do an inspection, hand on heart. I've never

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01:15:52,135 --> 01:15:54,615
Speaker 3: had a situation where if I've booked a building inspection,

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01:15:55,215 --> 01:15:59,935
Speaker 3: they haven't turned up, right, So are you saying you

1393
01:16:00,095 --> 01:16:02,935
Speaker 3: booked a building inspection and then the building council or

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01:16:02,975 --> 01:16:05,815
Speaker 3: the building control officer didn't turn up.

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01:16:06,975 --> 01:16:11,135
Speaker 9: The council said the requirements were but the builder didn't

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01:16:11,215 --> 01:16:13,655
Speaker 9: go to those requirements, and then later on past the

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01:16:13,735 --> 01:16:15,775
Speaker 9: piece one or Pierce two or piers four, whatever you

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01:16:15,815 --> 01:16:20,335
Speaker 9: want to call it. Yeah, I trust that these things

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01:16:20,375 --> 01:16:20,775
Speaker 9: were done.

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01:16:22,215 --> 01:16:24,375
Speaker 3: And so when you came to the final inspection, I'm

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01:16:24,415 --> 01:16:26,175
Speaker 3: presuming your final inspection failed.

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01:16:27,295 --> 01:16:27,335
Speaker 2: No.

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01:16:27,575 --> 01:16:30,215
Speaker 9: No, well they didn't finish the building, and the building

1404
01:16:30,255 --> 01:16:32,975
Speaker 9: gets out of it. It didn't take photos, didn't document anything.

1405
01:16:33,215 --> 01:16:35,975
Speaker 9: But because they didn't finish it, he didn't have to.

1406
01:16:37,455 --> 01:16:37,655
Speaker 3: Look.

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01:16:38,055 --> 01:16:39,455
Speaker 9: That's the excuse of getting.

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01:16:39,255 --> 01:16:41,535
Speaker 3: Out of my I have a massive manner of sympathy

1409
01:16:41,575 --> 01:16:44,775
Speaker 3: for where you're at. But I think chasing counsel for

1410
01:16:44,895 --> 01:16:48,695
Speaker 3: something that is obviously the builder's fault is going to

1411
01:16:48,815 --> 01:16:50,895
Speaker 3: mean you're not going to have any joy with counsel.

1412
01:16:51,175 --> 01:16:51,215
Speaker 7: You.

1413
01:16:51,415 --> 01:16:53,575
Speaker 3: You will be banging your head against the brick wall. There.

1414
01:16:55,575 --> 01:16:57,135
Speaker 9: I've got I've got them in court, but I can't

1415
01:16:57,135 --> 01:16:57,775
Speaker 9: afford a lawyer.

1416
01:16:58,975 --> 01:17:00,015
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got much deeper.

1417
01:17:00,055 --> 01:17:02,615
Speaker 9: Pou look at it. The judge look at it and said,

1418
01:17:02,615 --> 01:17:05,175
Speaker 9: oh yes, yeah, okay, this is here. I can see

1419
01:17:05,215 --> 01:17:08,135
Speaker 9: because when you look at the what the builders did, how.

1420
01:17:08,135 --> 01:17:10,095
Speaker 3: Much more spent on legal fees so far?

1421
01:17:11,815 --> 01:17:19,055
Speaker 9: Ah, I'm broke, grimy broke. That's why I was asking

1422
01:17:19,055 --> 01:17:22,895
Speaker 9: if there's any lawyers that maybe could help, because this

1423
01:17:23,095 --> 01:17:27,015
Speaker 9: is ridiculous how they can pass a PS for whatever

1424
01:17:27,015 --> 01:17:30,535
Speaker 9: you call a PS two one on trust when I

1425
01:17:30,655 --> 01:17:35,135
Speaker 9: have photos, documents of everything. I'm a boilermaker, So I

1426
01:17:35,215 --> 01:17:38,095
Speaker 9: took photos. I knew things weren't right, so I took

1427
01:17:38,135 --> 01:17:39,655
Speaker 9: photos and went to the council with them.

1428
01:17:43,135 --> 01:17:45,295
Speaker 3: I'm going to hand you back to even a producer.

1429
01:17:45,495 --> 01:17:48,775
Speaker 3: Leave your number, no, no, no, you're all good. No no, don't, don't,

1430
01:17:48,815 --> 01:17:51,855
Speaker 3: don't run away. Leave your number so I can contact

1431
01:17:51,895 --> 01:17:56,175
Speaker 3: you or leave an email. Yes, if if anyone wants

1432
01:17:56,215 --> 01:17:58,135
Speaker 3: to contact me who might want to help you out,

1433
01:17:58,255 --> 01:18:00,415
Speaker 3: then by all means people can do that. So let's

1434
01:18:00,495 --> 01:18:02,295
Speaker 3: let's see if we can get someone to have a

1435
01:18:02,335 --> 01:18:06,055
Speaker 3: look at it. But I can see this being an

1436
01:18:06,335 --> 01:18:10,135
Speaker 3: incredibly tangled web, and I suspect that you trying to

1437
01:18:10,175 --> 01:18:13,935
Speaker 3: get some redress from counsel is just not going to

1438
01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:19,855
Speaker 3: happen somehow unfortunately. But and this is where I get

1439
01:18:19,935 --> 01:18:23,735
Speaker 3: angry with shonky builders. Right, you know someone who's probably

1440
01:18:23,775 --> 01:18:29,375
Speaker 3: out of their depth goes ahead? Does poor quality work

1441
01:18:29,495 --> 01:18:32,135
Speaker 3: be interesting to know whether they were ever a licensed

1442
01:18:32,135 --> 01:18:36,455
Speaker 3: building practitioner. They should have been, because back then, four

1443
01:18:36,535 --> 01:18:40,975
Speaker 3: years ago, for the last teen twelve, fourteen years, you

1444
01:18:41,095 --> 01:18:45,095
Speaker 3: can't do restricted work without being a licensed building practitioner.

1445
01:18:47,135 --> 01:18:50,295
Speaker 3: So if they've still got a current license, you could

1446
01:18:50,295 --> 01:18:52,575
Speaker 3: take them to the disciplinary board. You could try and

1447
01:18:52,695 --> 01:18:55,095
Speaker 3: soothe them. That would be a better avenue than trying

1448
01:18:55,135 --> 01:18:57,735
Speaker 3: to sue council. I suspect oh eight one hundred and

1449
01:18:57,735 --> 01:18:59,335
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty the number to call needs to take

1450
01:18:59,335 --> 01:19:01,855
Speaker 3: a quick break, then we'll talk to Tony in tell.

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01:19:02,255 --> 01:19:05,255
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

1452
01:19:05,335 --> 01:19:08,335
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole. Give Peter Wolf Cabin call

1453
01:19:08,375 --> 01:19:11,535
Speaker 1: on OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty the resident builder

1454
01:19:11,655 --> 01:19:14,655
Speaker 1: with light four solar flick the switch to solar today

1455
01:19:14,935 --> 01:19:15,495
Speaker 1: news talks.

1456
01:19:15,535 --> 01:19:19,975
Speaker 3: That'd be someone's text through pet stopped defending councils and gisbond.

1457
01:19:19,975 --> 01:19:22,335
Speaker 3: We've got a leaky apartment building that council signed off

1458
01:19:22,375 --> 01:19:24,655
Speaker 3: way back in two thousand and sevenish when things went right.

1459
01:19:25,015 --> 01:19:27,655
Speaker 3: Fast forward sixteen years and it needs a lot of work.

1460
01:19:27,855 --> 01:19:30,895
Speaker 3: I'm not defending counsel. I'm just in that particular instance there.

1461
01:19:32,415 --> 01:19:34,415
Speaker 3: You know, seriously, you can't tell me that you ring

1462
01:19:34,575 --> 01:19:37,095
Speaker 3: up and you book a building inspection and the building

1463
01:19:37,175 --> 01:19:40,855
Speaker 3: inspector doesn't turn up, and if they don't, typically they'll

1464
01:19:40,895 --> 01:19:42,615
Speaker 3: ring you or they'll delay it or something like that.

1465
01:19:42,815 --> 01:19:45,015
Speaker 3: But to say that they didn't come and inspect it

1466
01:19:45,175 --> 01:19:49,135
Speaker 3: if you had booked them properly doesn't just doesn't stack up.

1467
01:19:49,215 --> 01:19:51,495
Speaker 3: Doesn't pass the sniff test for me, Tony.

1468
01:19:51,575 --> 01:19:54,135
Speaker 14: Good morning, Yeah, good morning, Peter.

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01:19:55,535 --> 01:20:00,175
Speaker 7: I've got a concrete block garage which has got.

1470
01:20:03,015 --> 01:20:03,055
Speaker 6: It.

1471
01:20:03,535 --> 01:20:07,895
Speaker 7: It's leaking through the concrete block. Wolves is there any

1472
01:20:07,935 --> 01:20:10,375
Speaker 7: way you can seal it from the inside.

1473
01:20:10,615 --> 01:20:12,775
Speaker 3: And I presume where it's leaking from the outside wall,

1474
01:20:12,855 --> 01:20:15,095
Speaker 3: it's because that's acting as a retaining wall and so

1475
01:20:15,455 --> 01:20:19,015
Speaker 3: moisture is whicking through the wall and into the inside space.

1476
01:20:19,895 --> 01:20:22,895
Speaker 7: Correct. Yeah, the retaining the neighbor's wall, and it's got

1477
01:20:22,975 --> 01:20:24,135
Speaker 7: a shed on top.

1478
01:20:24,295 --> 01:20:27,615
Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, there are products that you can apply

1479
01:20:27,815 --> 01:20:31,615
Speaker 3: to the inside face that work. They migrate through so

1480
01:20:32,775 --> 01:20:35,295
Speaker 3: by all means, have a look online. But for example,

1481
01:20:35,415 --> 01:20:40,015
Speaker 3: something like sea Mix crystal proof, which is a product

1482
01:20:40,055 --> 01:20:43,895
Speaker 3: that can be applied that then penetrates into the masonry,

1483
01:20:44,415 --> 01:20:48,295
Speaker 3: and the crystals that are part of the compound are

1484
01:20:48,375 --> 01:20:53,735
Speaker 3: activated when they encounter moisture and expand and eventually fill

1485
01:20:53,815 --> 01:20:55,895
Speaker 3: up all of the pores that allow the moisture to

1486
01:20:55,975 --> 01:21:02,615
Speaker 3: come through. So thats C E M I X C

1487
01:21:03,575 --> 01:21:08,095
Speaker 3: E mix. The is the brand, and then the product

1488
01:21:08,215 --> 01:21:11,815
Speaker 3: is called crystal. It's everywhere. You'll be able to find it,

1489
01:21:11,895 --> 01:21:14,015
Speaker 3: no trouble at all. Have a bit of a read

1490
01:21:14,175 --> 01:21:16,415
Speaker 3: about how it works and why it works. The other

1491
01:21:16,495 --> 01:21:19,375
Speaker 3: thing that I point out, just for people listening, is

1492
01:21:19,415 --> 01:21:22,815
Speaker 3: that I've seen cases where people have applied waterproof and

1493
01:21:22,895 --> 01:21:28,215
Speaker 3: compound to the inside wall that's designed to resist water

1494
01:21:29,815 --> 01:21:31,255
Speaker 3: by having water pressing against it.

1495
01:21:31,335 --> 01:21:31,455
Speaker 7: You know.

1496
01:21:31,495 --> 01:21:33,295
Speaker 3: I'll explain that after the break because it takes a

1497
01:21:33,295 --> 01:21:36,095
Speaker 3: little bit. And if you'd like to text during the break,

1498
01:21:36,295 --> 01:21:38,935
Speaker 3: hew'd you put a sixty square meter grannie flat on

1499
01:21:39,055 --> 01:21:41,295
Speaker 3: your property as it is the place that you are

1500
01:21:41,415 --> 01:21:44,375
Speaker 3: inhabiting right now, could you do that? I'm loving the

1501
01:21:44,615 --> 01:21:48,935
Speaker 3: completely unscientific pole we're running this morning. Surprising number of yesses.

1502
01:21:49,015 --> 01:21:51,335
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely surprised. We'll come back to that after the

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01:21:51,535 --> 01:21:52,815
Speaker 3: news sport and we're the top of the.

1504
01:21:52,855 --> 01:22:02,015
Speaker 1: Arradact squeaky door or squeaky floor get the right advice

1505
01:22:02,055 --> 01:22:05,775
Speaker 1: from Peter Wolfcare. The resident builder with light four solar

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01:22:05,975 --> 01:22:09,295
Speaker 1: save on SOL and earn airpoints dollars us talk said

1507
01:22:09,335 --> 01:22:10,415
Speaker 1: be oh.

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01:22:10,375 --> 01:22:12,215
Speaker 3: It's been a ripper of a morning. Thank you, folks.

1509
01:22:12,535 --> 01:22:14,775
Speaker 3: It's not over yet. By the way, we will have

1510
01:22:14,935 --> 01:22:18,735
Speaker 3: rid climb passed along at about eight thirty. The text

1511
01:22:18,815 --> 01:22:21,335
Speaker 3: messages has been going off because I've asked this really

1512
01:22:21,975 --> 01:22:28,055
Speaker 3: completely unscientific, unresearched, lacking and verification poll that we're running.

1513
01:22:28,095 --> 01:22:30,535
Speaker 3: But it's been quite intriguing. Could you put a sixty

1514
01:22:30,575 --> 01:22:32,895
Speaker 3: square meter sleep out on your existing property? We you

1515
01:22:32,975 --> 01:22:35,495
Speaker 3: are today, look out the window and gok on there.

1516
01:22:36,375 --> 01:22:39,615
Speaker 3: I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people that could,

1517
01:22:40,775 --> 01:22:43,135
Speaker 3: which perhaps reflects the fact that I spend too much

1518
01:22:43,175 --> 01:22:45,095
Speaker 3: time in the city because I cruise around and I go,

1519
01:22:45,335 --> 01:22:47,975
Speaker 3: I can't see where they're going to go. But judging

1520
01:22:48,015 --> 01:22:51,855
Speaker 3: by this and I right now, I would say more

1521
01:22:51,895 --> 01:22:56,535
Speaker 3: people said yes to that question than said no, which

1522
01:22:56,535 --> 01:22:59,535
Speaker 3: I found really fascinating. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1523
01:22:59,575 --> 01:23:04,295
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Just a very quick

1524
01:23:04,335 --> 01:23:08,175
Speaker 3: comment around because it's it's an issue that we've talked

1525
01:23:08,175 --> 01:23:10,855
Speaker 3: about quite a number of times. So just before the news,

1526
01:23:11,335 --> 01:23:14,975
Speaker 3: Tony Rang said, Look, I've got an older basement with

1527
01:23:15,335 --> 01:23:20,455
Speaker 3: a concrete wall and it's got soil behind it, so

1528
01:23:20,535 --> 01:23:22,975
Speaker 3: it's acting as a retaining wall. I can't get behind

1529
01:23:23,015 --> 01:23:25,655
Speaker 3: the water the wall to waterproof that, but water is

1530
01:23:25,695 --> 01:23:27,815
Speaker 3: getting through. Can I put something on the inside, Yes,

1531
01:23:27,935 --> 01:23:30,935
Speaker 3: you can, And there's a number of different products. But

1532
01:23:32,215 --> 01:23:35,055
Speaker 3: this is what I encountered not long ago looking at

1533
01:23:35,055 --> 01:23:38,575
Speaker 3: a job where some people had applied a waterproofing compound

1534
01:23:38,655 --> 01:23:42,095
Speaker 3: to the inside of the wall, but it had failed.

1535
01:23:42,495 --> 01:23:44,415
Speaker 3: And the reason it had failed is because it was

1536
01:23:44,455 --> 01:23:49,175
Speaker 3: a waterproofing compound that's designed to have water pressing against it,

1537
01:23:49,615 --> 01:23:56,455
Speaker 3: i e. Blocks waterproofing water outside whereas and so it's

1538
01:23:56,535 --> 01:23:59,855
Speaker 3: designed to resist water pressing against it, and it has

1539
01:23:59,895 --> 01:24:03,495
Speaker 3: a waterproofing membrane is then pushed against the substrate against

1540
01:24:03,535 --> 01:24:06,575
Speaker 3: the block work by the water pressure on the outset side.

1541
01:24:06,935 --> 01:24:08,375
Speaker 3: And it's designed that way. If you put it on

1542
01:24:08,455 --> 01:24:11,615
Speaker 3: the inside and water comes through the wall, it will

1543
01:24:12,015 --> 01:24:19,335
Speaker 3: press the water off. That's how it works. Yeah, that's

1544
01:24:19,455 --> 01:24:21,215
Speaker 3: kind of how it works. Oh, one hundred eighty ten

1545
01:24:21,255 --> 01:24:24,775
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Uh Lorraine, thank you

1546
01:24:24,935 --> 01:24:25,655
Speaker 3: very much for waiting.

1547
01:24:26,895 --> 01:24:31,175
Speaker 13: Yeah, hi, hi Pete. Just a quick question Foost of

1548
01:24:31,215 --> 01:24:35,495
Speaker 13: all recouncils. Oh, you wouldn't believe what to Dollar City

1549
01:24:35,575 --> 01:24:40,975
Speaker 13: Council subcour They are my daughter and someone or bought

1550
01:24:41,015 --> 01:24:43,535
Speaker 13: a house which had a code of complaints. Then they

1551
01:24:43,615 --> 01:24:45,455
Speaker 13: bought it and then when they went to sell out,

1552
01:24:45,495 --> 01:24:49,255
Speaker 13: it didn't have one. And they queried the council what's

1553
01:24:49,335 --> 01:24:51,375
Speaker 13: going on, and they said, they don't know. There's no

1554
01:24:51,695 --> 01:24:55,455
Speaker 13: papers to show this a complaints And so they checked

1555
01:24:55,495 --> 01:24:58,375
Speaker 13: down the person they bought it off, and she said, oh,

1556
01:24:58,415 --> 01:25:00,375
Speaker 13: we had that trouble too. We just said it for us.

1557
01:25:00,895 --> 01:25:03,455
Speaker 13: So they gave a compliance to the people to cell

1558
01:25:03,775 --> 01:25:06,615
Speaker 13: and then took it off again. Hang on would not

1559
01:25:06,895 --> 01:25:10,215
Speaker 13: they would not back down. So my daughter and a

1560
01:25:10,695 --> 01:25:15,695
Speaker 13: husband hit one hundred grand to tricks to their water leaking.

1561
01:25:15,855 --> 01:25:18,895
Speaker 2: Health hold on.

1562
01:25:19,055 --> 01:25:25,255
Speaker 3: So a a code compliance certificate was issued for a

1563
01:25:25,335 --> 01:25:29,575
Speaker 3: property yep, and then it was withdrawn yep.

1564
01:25:30,455 --> 01:25:33,295
Speaker 13: And the guy that did it still groups at the council.

1565
01:25:34,775 --> 01:25:37,935
Speaker 13: So they approached three or four different lawyers, but they

1566
01:25:38,015 --> 01:25:41,215
Speaker 13: all worked to the council and so they all take

1567
01:25:41,295 --> 01:25:43,615
Speaker 13: out and then they found this one lawyer that said,

1568
01:25:43,975 --> 01:25:46,215
Speaker 13: did not chase. They're not going to follow it because

1569
01:25:46,215 --> 01:25:49,055
Speaker 13: when they did finally sell, they got one hundred grands

1570
01:25:49,095 --> 01:25:51,935
Speaker 13: more than what they ease. Health prices have gone up,

1571
01:25:51,935 --> 01:25:52,775
Speaker 13: but that's really.

1572
01:25:52,615 --> 01:25:53,095
Speaker 8: Not the point.

1573
01:25:53,735 --> 01:25:56,015
Speaker 13: And yeah, so the councilors got.

1574
01:25:55,975 --> 01:25:56,855
Speaker 19: Up Scott's free.

1575
01:25:57,695 --> 01:25:57,895
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1576
01:25:57,935 --> 01:26:01,735
Speaker 3: Look to be fair, you know, like people have texted

1577
01:26:01,735 --> 01:26:03,815
Speaker 3: and goes, oh, you should stop defending counsel. I'm not

1578
01:26:03,895 --> 01:26:08,455
Speaker 3: defending counsel. I'm not saying no, no, no, But look,

1579
01:26:08,815 --> 01:26:10,855
Speaker 3: you know what's really intriguing is that a number of

1580
01:26:10,895 --> 01:26:14,015
Speaker 3: people are pushing back. Right, So you know, we tend

1581
01:26:14,095 --> 01:26:16,295
Speaker 3: to have this approach where if council says that it's

1582
01:26:17,375 --> 01:26:20,855
Speaker 3: blue and it's red, then they're right, and people are

1583
01:26:20,895 --> 01:26:24,295
Speaker 3: pushing back. There's a great story and stuff recently about

1584
01:26:24,495 --> 01:26:27,735
Speaker 3: a landowner, a guy who had some industrial property where

1585
01:26:27,975 --> 01:26:30,495
Speaker 3: there was a retaining wall on the boundary. Council came along,

1586
01:26:30,615 --> 01:26:32,975
Speaker 3: saw that it was dangerous, issued and notice to fix

1587
01:26:33,095 --> 01:26:36,455
Speaker 3: to him, and he went, not my problem, and they went, yes,

1588
01:26:36,535 --> 01:26:38,335
Speaker 3: it is, we're issuing you had noticed to fix. He

1589
01:26:38,415 --> 01:26:42,415
Speaker 3: went inb got a determination and the determination was actually, counsel,

1590
01:26:42,535 --> 01:26:45,295
Speaker 3: you're wrong. You can't issue a notice to fix that person.

1591
01:26:45,975 --> 01:26:48,775
Speaker 3: The response from Hamilton City Council was while we're reviewing

1592
01:26:48,815 --> 01:26:53,295
Speaker 3: the decision. So you know, we're all fallible, right, So

1593
01:26:54,015 --> 01:26:57,415
Speaker 3: but you know, to have a code of compliance issued

1594
01:26:57,855 --> 01:27:00,695
Speaker 3: and then to have it withdrawn seems to me the

1595
01:27:00,775 --> 01:27:02,695
Speaker 3: sort of thing that you would want to take to

1596
01:27:03,615 --> 01:27:07,455
Speaker 3: mb for example, and get them to investigate it. Because

1597
01:27:07,495 --> 01:27:12,695
Speaker 3: good to remember that councils are a territorial authority and

1598
01:27:12,855 --> 01:27:16,575
Speaker 3: they are issued a license to operate as a building

1599
01:27:16,695 --> 01:27:20,935
Speaker 3: Cossent Authority a b c A by the government. Now,

1600
01:27:21,335 --> 01:27:24,335
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago christ Church City Council had

1601
01:27:24,375 --> 01:27:27,615
Speaker 3: their warrant to be a b c A was removed

1602
01:27:27,775 --> 01:27:32,655
Speaker 3: by government because for whatever reason. So you know, it's

1603
01:27:32,855 --> 01:27:35,695
Speaker 3: it's not like they are a law unto themselves. They

1604
01:27:35,775 --> 01:27:38,415
Speaker 3: have to act within the law, and I would be

1605
01:27:39,575 --> 01:27:42,575
Speaker 3: incredibly I mean, I've never heard of a situation where

1606
01:27:42,815 --> 01:27:46,055
Speaker 3: a CCC has been issued and then it's been withdrawn.

1607
01:27:46,295 --> 01:27:51,375
Speaker 3: And if it was with drawn, surely that responsibility would

1608
01:27:51,415 --> 01:27:57,215
Speaker 3: fall with council. That's the sagre to go to.

1609
01:27:57,375 --> 01:28:00,015
Speaker 13: Nby because it won't costing that way. So I'm going

1610
01:28:00,055 --> 01:28:01,415
Speaker 13: to come that.

1611
01:28:03,135 --> 01:28:03,535
Speaker 14: My problem.

1612
01:28:05,335 --> 01:28:08,695
Speaker 13: You've got a cent and I wanted to replace the

1613
01:28:08,775 --> 01:28:11,935
Speaker 13: element and jewelry, but the unboilder said I can't. Well,

1614
01:28:11,975 --> 01:28:13,895
Speaker 13: I have to replace the clothing as well because you

1615
01:28:14,015 --> 01:28:17,055
Speaker 13: have to build a cavity, which I have. And then

1616
01:28:17,095 --> 01:28:20,015
Speaker 13: the other bolder said, no, you can just put new

1617
01:28:20,095 --> 01:28:23,335
Speaker 13: windows done. And then he said you just cut the

1618
01:28:23,375 --> 01:28:26,255
Speaker 13: windows dow he reasons exploded the deal and we go

1619
01:28:26,375 --> 01:28:27,935
Speaker 13: to rechlad and you can do it that way.

1620
01:28:29,575 --> 01:28:29,775
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1621
01:28:30,295 --> 01:28:33,695
Speaker 3: Look, I would say this if you're doing like for Lake.

1622
01:28:33,975 --> 01:28:36,335
Speaker 3: I mean that your builders right in the sense that

1623
01:28:36,535 --> 01:28:39,775
Speaker 3: if you were recladding, and you were doing an extensive reclad,

1624
01:28:40,375 --> 01:28:43,095
Speaker 3: then typically in order to comply with the code today,

1625
01:28:43,215 --> 01:28:46,095
Speaker 3: you would need to have your cladding on a cavity system,

1626
01:28:46,215 --> 01:28:49,455
Speaker 3: most likely, in which case the jowinery would either have

1627
01:28:49,575 --> 01:28:52,175
Speaker 3: to have specific flashings or it would need to be

1628
01:28:52,295 --> 01:28:55,575
Speaker 3: removed and put further out to allow the pladding to

1629
01:28:55,655 --> 01:28:56,935
Speaker 3: tuck in behind the extrusion.

1630
01:28:57,495 --> 01:28:59,775
Speaker 13: But if it is just so, you can do that

1631
01:29:00,295 --> 01:29:03,215
Speaker 13: and then you know later on because the plating's fine. Yeah,

1632
01:29:03,575 --> 01:29:05,455
Speaker 13: but the leming journey is flat.

1633
01:29:06,735 --> 01:29:09,455
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so if the joinery is, and chances are

1634
01:29:09,535 --> 01:29:12,295
Speaker 3: the jowinery will be what we call face fixed, right,

1635
01:29:12,415 --> 01:29:15,295
Speaker 3: So the cladding will be behind the extrusion of the joinery,

1636
01:29:15,375 --> 01:29:17,655
Speaker 3: and then the joinery is pushed against the cladding whatever

1637
01:29:17,695 --> 01:29:20,455
Speaker 3: the cladding happens to be, in which case you could

1638
01:29:21,775 --> 01:29:25,655
Speaker 3: pull out the architraves on the inside, cut through all

1639
01:29:25,655 --> 01:29:28,215
Speaker 3: the fixings, pull the window out from the outside. That's

1640
01:29:28,375 --> 01:29:32,375
Speaker 3: probably easier than it said, than done. But typically you

1641
01:29:32,455 --> 01:29:36,495
Speaker 3: can remove the joinery, install new jowinery, do it in

1642
01:29:36,615 --> 01:29:39,415
Speaker 3: accordance with the code in terms of aircl and flashings

1643
01:29:39,455 --> 01:29:41,615
Speaker 3: and a wands bar if that's required or something like that.

1644
01:29:42,255 --> 01:29:44,895
Speaker 3: But I don't see that you would necessarily require a

1645
01:29:44,935 --> 01:29:45,895
Speaker 3: building consent for that.

1646
01:29:46,095 --> 01:29:49,655
Speaker 13: If it's like for like and you don't have to

1647
01:29:49,735 --> 01:29:51,415
Speaker 13: do a cavity, I.

1648
01:29:51,455 --> 01:29:53,975
Speaker 3: Can't see why you would have to do a cavity. Well,

1649
01:29:54,415 --> 01:29:56,815
Speaker 3: you would if you were changing the cladding. But if

1650
01:29:56,855 --> 01:30:00,255
Speaker 3: you're only changing the joinery and you're not touching the cladding.

1651
01:30:00,735 --> 01:30:02,775
Speaker 13: Well, the one buller said you can't do the joiners

1652
01:30:02,815 --> 01:30:06,535
Speaker 13: without doing the clading. He said that you can, don't.

1653
01:30:07,655 --> 01:30:11,335
Speaker 13: He doesn't understand. The second builder doesn't understand the first guy.

1654
01:30:11,655 --> 01:30:11,695
Speaker 4: No.

1655
01:30:11,895 --> 01:30:14,175
Speaker 3: I just think that I mean it would be interesting,

1656
01:30:14,655 --> 01:30:17,895
Speaker 3: you know, again, with those sorts of situations, you can't.

1657
01:30:17,935 --> 01:30:20,055
Speaker 3: It's it shouldn't just be an opinion, right, It's got

1658
01:30:20,095 --> 01:30:22,095
Speaker 3: to be an opinion based on fact. So if you

1659
01:30:22,215 --> 01:30:26,615
Speaker 3: were wanting to still engage with the first builder, you'd go, hey,

1660
01:30:26,735 --> 01:30:31,015
Speaker 3: hang on, why you know, why is that? Which part

1661
01:30:31,095 --> 01:30:34,095
Speaker 3: of the legislation do you think applies to this? Show

1662
01:30:34,175 --> 01:30:36,975
Speaker 3: me where in the building code or in three six

1663
01:30:37,095 --> 01:30:39,855
Speaker 3: o four or whatever you feel that that's a requirement.

1664
01:30:40,175 --> 01:30:41,055
Speaker 3: I just don't see it.

1665
01:30:42,095 --> 01:30:44,935
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, that's good. That's put my mind at rest.

1666
01:30:46,255 --> 01:30:47,495
Speaker 13: Can into one hundred grands?

1667
01:30:48,015 --> 01:30:50,495
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, so you're wanting to do the

1668
01:30:50,575 --> 01:30:53,255
Speaker 3: right thing and upgrade the joinery, good on you, but

1669
01:30:53,375 --> 01:30:56,135
Speaker 3: that shouldn't necessarily trigger removal of all of the clouding.

1670
01:30:57,375 --> 01:30:57,535
Speaker 18: You know.

1671
01:30:57,895 --> 01:31:00,975
Speaker 3: Look, if I was unkind, I might suggest that the

1672
01:31:01,055 --> 01:31:04,975
Speaker 3: builder is looking to expand the job for their own gain.

1673
01:31:05,295 --> 01:31:08,575
Speaker 3: But it seems me, seems to me that it's unnecessary.

1674
01:31:09,575 --> 01:31:11,895
Speaker 13: Well, you did say that if you've then they have

1675
01:31:12,015 --> 01:31:13,695
Speaker 13: to take all one of those out again to reach

1676
01:31:13,775 --> 01:31:15,775
Speaker 13: mad because then we have to build the cavity. And

1677
01:31:15,895 --> 01:31:17,895
Speaker 13: that's what the second s said too. He said that

1678
01:31:17,975 --> 01:31:19,295
Speaker 13: it was big jail to take.

1679
01:31:20,135 --> 01:31:23,855
Speaker 3: Taking two Well, probably won't take ten minutes, but yes,

1680
01:31:23,975 --> 01:31:27,255
Speaker 3: you could potentially do it later on. I mean, look,

1681
01:31:27,655 --> 01:31:29,975
Speaker 3: you know, in a perfect world you'd go, hey, why

1682
01:31:30,015 --> 01:31:33,815
Speaker 3: don't we do everything all at once? But that's also

1683
01:31:34,095 --> 01:31:36,575
Speaker 3: then expanding the job from forty grand to one hundred grand,

1684
01:31:36,615 --> 01:31:38,335
Speaker 3: and that might not be a resources you have right now.

1685
01:31:38,495 --> 01:31:40,735
Speaker 3: You may be, you know, for good reason.

1686
01:31:40,895 --> 01:31:43,015
Speaker 13: So oh it's great.

1687
01:31:43,175 --> 01:31:45,775
Speaker 3: All right, Well, the very missed you very much. Take care.

1688
01:31:46,015 --> 01:31:48,495
Speaker 3: We'll be back with Jason in just a moment. It is,

1689
01:31:49,175 --> 01:31:51,855
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1690
01:31:51,895 --> 01:31:53,455
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1691
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Speaker 3: your free quote. Te's and c's apply news talk zby rdio.

1713
01:33:15,375 --> 01:33:19,255
Speaker 3: Just looking at the I asked a question just after

1714
01:33:19,335 --> 01:33:26,335
Speaker 3: seven o'clock around I'm just curious, you know, I don't

1715
01:33:26,375 --> 01:33:28,975
Speaker 3: think there's been as much discussion in the media about

1716
01:33:28,975 --> 01:33:32,575
Speaker 3: building and building regulations in the last couple of years

1717
01:33:32,575 --> 01:33:34,615
Speaker 3: as there has been over the last six months, let's say.

1718
01:33:35,375 --> 01:33:37,375
Speaker 3: And one of the things that emerged a couple of

1719
01:33:37,415 --> 01:33:41,495
Speaker 3: months weeks ago was the proposal to add sixty square

1720
01:33:41,535 --> 01:33:44,695
Speaker 3: meter granny flat. And that's not a pejorative, right, that's

1721
01:33:44,815 --> 01:33:47,215
Speaker 3: just a way of describing this particular type of building

1722
01:33:48,455 --> 01:33:54,335
Speaker 3: to residential properties without necessarily requiring building consent. Resource consent

1723
01:33:55,615 --> 01:33:57,775
Speaker 3: still needs to complow the building code still needs to

1724
01:33:57,855 --> 01:34:01,535
Speaker 3: be done by licensed building practitioners or trusted building professionals.

1725
01:34:01,575 --> 01:34:03,935
Speaker 3: I think is the phrase. And I was just curious

1726
01:34:03,975 --> 01:34:08,615
Speaker 3: as to, like, realistically, how many properties would actually be

1727
01:34:08,735 --> 01:34:11,135
Speaker 3: able to accommodate that. Now, it's the sort of thing

1728
01:34:11,175 --> 01:34:13,175
Speaker 3: that I might be interested in. I can't fit that

1729
01:34:13,455 --> 01:34:17,815
Speaker 3: on the property that I live on. My neighbors probably couldn't,

1730
01:34:18,015 --> 01:34:21,855
Speaker 3: My other neighbors couldn't. The neighbors behind us possibly could.

1731
01:34:21,935 --> 01:34:25,695
Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. So I was kind of looking

1732
01:34:25,735 --> 01:34:28,495
Speaker 3: at going Actually, okay, I understand why you would float

1733
01:34:28,535 --> 01:34:31,015
Speaker 3: the idea, but in reality, how many of these will

1734
01:34:31,015 --> 01:34:33,535
Speaker 3: actually get built? And will it make an appreciable difference

1735
01:34:33,615 --> 01:34:38,055
Speaker 3: to housing supply in particular and in that sense housing

1736
01:34:38,535 --> 01:34:41,575
Speaker 3: affordability as well. So the question was, could you and

1737
01:34:41,655 --> 01:34:44,975
Speaker 3: the property that you currently occupy add a sixty square

1738
01:34:45,055 --> 01:34:48,375
Speaker 3: meter granny flat to the property that would be compliant

1739
01:34:48,455 --> 01:34:51,015
Speaker 3: so you know, can't be within a certain distance of

1740
01:34:51,015 --> 01:34:54,055
Speaker 3: the boundary, et cetera, et ceter And I would say,

1741
01:34:54,215 --> 01:34:57,495
Speaker 3: right now, it's probably running at about sixty percent yes,

1742
01:34:58,255 --> 01:35:02,215
Speaker 3: which I wasn't expecting. So it's been useful as an insight.

1743
01:35:02,855 --> 01:35:05,295
Speaker 3: Every now and then I will do these completely unscientific,

1744
01:35:05,855 --> 01:35:08,735
Speaker 3: unveiry fight untested polls because I quite enjoy them to

1745
01:35:08,815 --> 01:35:11,655
Speaker 3: be fair and I do find them quite insightful. Maybe

1746
01:35:11,655 --> 01:35:14,375
Speaker 3: we should do one on H one regulations next week.

1747
01:35:14,535 --> 01:35:16,735
Speaker 3: Let's do that. I'll set that up now. Next week,

1748
01:35:17,695 --> 01:35:21,135
Speaker 3: you vote yes or no. Should the government look at

1749
01:35:21,335 --> 01:35:25,775
Speaker 3: changing H one requirements like literally winding back the legislation?

1750
01:35:25,935 --> 01:35:28,495
Speaker 3: So the new standards came in to play from November

1751
01:35:28,535 --> 01:35:32,095
Speaker 3: of last year, requiring often more installation et cetera, et

1752
01:35:32,135 --> 01:35:36,135
Speaker 3: cetera into building, So higher requirements on energy efficiency in

1753
01:35:36,215 --> 01:35:40,055
Speaker 3: new builds as reflecting H one of the Building Code. Yes,

1754
01:35:40,135 --> 01:35:41,975
Speaker 3: we'll know to that. We'll do that next week on

1755
01:35:42,055 --> 01:35:43,895
Speaker 3: the show. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1756
01:35:43,895 --> 01:35:46,255
Speaker 3: the number to call. Last building question. Then we're into

1757
01:35:46,335 --> 01:35:48,775
Speaker 3: the garden with a red climb pass from Make thirty. Jason,

1758
01:35:48,815 --> 01:35:49,535
Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

1759
01:35:50,775 --> 01:35:52,175
Speaker 2: Here you go, good things.

1760
01:35:52,455 --> 01:35:52,855
Speaker 3: What's up?

1761
01:35:53,775 --> 01:35:56,095
Speaker 8: Just wondering. I've got a garage and it's on a

1762
01:35:56,295 --> 01:35:58,935
Speaker 8: brick garage, just a single garage, and it's right on

1763
01:35:59,055 --> 01:36:02,335
Speaker 8: the boundary of my place and the neighbors, and I

1764
01:36:02,455 --> 01:36:05,255
Speaker 8: want to take it down, and I've mentioned to my

1765
01:36:05,335 --> 01:36:07,775
Speaker 8: neighbor about me or you can't take it down because

1766
01:36:08,455 --> 01:36:11,655
Speaker 8: your side wall is the back hall of my lean

1767
01:36:11,735 --> 01:36:15,535
Speaker 8: to that somebody has built previous years before we were

1768
01:36:15,575 --> 01:36:17,735
Speaker 8: both there. There you get on there.

1769
01:36:18,935 --> 01:36:27,695
Speaker 3: Fascinating, but there's a number of approaches. One is, does

1770
01:36:27,935 --> 01:36:30,735
Speaker 3: either of those dwellings have a building consent.

1771
01:36:32,135 --> 01:36:32,175
Speaker 6: For?

1772
01:36:32,255 --> 01:36:37,895
Speaker 8: Probably not from back in the nineteen thirty towers? Yeah, okay, yeah,

1773
01:36:38,575 --> 01:36:40,535
Speaker 8: I'd imagine the lean to wouldn't.

1774
01:36:40,495 --> 01:36:44,175
Speaker 3: Which of those two structures is the one that was

1775
01:36:44,215 --> 01:36:44,895
Speaker 3: built first?

1776
01:36:45,815 --> 01:36:49,415
Speaker 8: Well, it'll be there. I'm your gar again that the

1777
01:36:49,535 --> 01:36:52,895
Speaker 8: garage was. And then people before us had said, well,

1778
01:36:52,895 --> 01:36:55,055
Speaker 8: I'm going to build a shed, can I use Can

1779
01:36:55,135 --> 01:36:59,015
Speaker 8: I just build off your side wall and just build

1780
01:36:59,055 --> 01:37:02,015
Speaker 8: this wee lean to off the side. And I've talked

1781
01:37:02,055 --> 01:37:04,295
Speaker 8: to a builder and he said, oh, we'll just come

1782
01:37:04,335 --> 01:37:05,975
Speaker 8: in and we'll just take the whole bloody thing down

1783
01:37:06,055 --> 01:37:08,935
Speaker 8: and be done with it. And it's not yours, it's

1784
01:37:08,975 --> 01:37:10,375
Speaker 8: not yah, it's all fault.

1785
01:37:10,455 --> 01:37:12,295
Speaker 3: And to be fair, I know we always want to

1786
01:37:12,335 --> 01:37:13,815
Speaker 3: be good neighbors and all the rest of it, but

1787
01:37:14,215 --> 01:37:17,055
Speaker 3: I would probably take the same approach that I think

1788
01:37:17,135 --> 01:37:19,935
Speaker 3: that the fact that a neighbor has taken the liberty

1789
01:37:19,975 --> 01:37:22,695
Speaker 3: of you know, bolting a ribbon plate and pitching some

1790
01:37:22,895 --> 01:37:25,135
Speaker 3: rafters and putting a roof on it and then going, hey,

1791
01:37:25,175 --> 01:37:28,535
Speaker 3: that's my shed. Well yeah, okay, I'll leave your ship there,

1792
01:37:28,575 --> 01:37:29,855
Speaker 3: but I'm taking my wall away.

1793
01:37:31,015 --> 01:37:33,215
Speaker 8: And then and then the other to the other thing

1794
01:37:33,295 --> 01:37:35,175
Speaker 8: that I think said if I was to do that,

1795
01:37:35,335 --> 01:37:40,455
Speaker 8: he might be a pain. And you know, if I

1796
01:37:40,735 --> 01:37:44,335
Speaker 8: want to put another garage up, or you know, like

1797
01:37:44,775 --> 01:37:46,775
Speaker 8: does it how close can it go to you know,

1798
01:37:46,855 --> 01:37:49,615
Speaker 8: or will I have to be whatever two meters or

1799
01:37:49,655 --> 01:37:51,295
Speaker 8: a meter off the boundary and all that?

1800
01:37:51,375 --> 01:37:54,135
Speaker 2: Will he you know, he might certainly.

1801
01:37:54,175 --> 01:37:57,055
Speaker 3: If you a pain, Like if you went for a

1802
01:37:58,055 --> 01:38:00,535
Speaker 3: building consent and a resource consent for a new building

1803
01:38:01,175 --> 01:38:05,135
Speaker 3: in the same location on the boundary, and the simplest

1804
01:38:05,175 --> 01:38:07,735
Speaker 3: way to get that would be get an affected party

1805
01:38:07,895 --> 01:38:10,375
Speaker 3: to consent to it. And the affected party is the

1806
01:38:10,455 --> 01:38:12,935
Speaker 3: one where you've just pulled down half their building. I

1807
01:38:13,055 --> 01:38:15,455
Speaker 3: think human nature would say that you're unlikely to get

1808
01:38:15,615 --> 01:38:18,895
Speaker 3: his signature or her signature on that document, right, So

1809
01:38:19,015 --> 01:38:21,095
Speaker 3: there's a bit of there's a bit of psychology. There's

1810
01:38:21,095 --> 01:38:24,295
Speaker 3: a bit of human relations at play here.

1811
01:38:26,895 --> 01:38:29,015
Speaker 8: But he was trying to get me to get them

1812
01:38:29,055 --> 01:38:34,535
Speaker 8: to the brick and leave that side wall up just

1813
01:38:34,695 --> 01:38:36,535
Speaker 8: so that he could keep his his back.

1814
01:38:36,655 --> 01:38:40,135
Speaker 3: All of us said, yeah, I mean, look, you could

1815
01:38:40,215 --> 01:38:42,895
Speaker 3: do that if somehow that I mean, is it going

1816
01:38:42,975 --> 01:38:44,295
Speaker 3: to is it going to stay up?

1817
01:38:44,455 --> 01:38:44,935
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1818
01:38:45,255 --> 01:38:48,215
Speaker 3: Do you want that on your structure? I think you

1819
01:38:48,255 --> 01:38:49,655
Speaker 3: know the thing is to go to him and just

1820
01:38:49,735 --> 01:38:52,735
Speaker 3: go Actually, does that building have a consent? Does it

1821
01:38:52,975 --> 01:38:56,615
Speaker 3: comply with the code? If it had a consent, then

1822
01:38:56,895 --> 01:38:59,375
Speaker 3: you probably can't touch it. But I suspect that doesn't

1823
01:38:59,415 --> 01:39:05,655
Speaker 3: have a consent and it's it post dates yours, in

1824
01:39:05,735 --> 01:39:07,895
Speaker 3: which case I think he's just going to have to

1825
01:39:07,935 --> 01:39:10,455
Speaker 3: accept the fact that he's been able to use something

1826
01:39:10,535 --> 01:39:14,975
Speaker 3: that he should see as an incidental bonus rather than

1827
01:39:15,015 --> 01:39:15,375
Speaker 3: a right.

1828
01:39:16,455 --> 01:39:16,655
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1829
01:39:16,815 --> 01:39:19,535
Speaker 3: Yeah, would be my approach. But hey, look, you know

1830
01:39:20,135 --> 01:39:22,615
Speaker 3: we also always want to try and be good neighbors.

1831
01:39:22,655 --> 01:39:26,455
Speaker 3: So I understand that it's as simple as just flicking

1832
01:39:26,535 --> 01:39:31,655
Speaker 3: them the burden, pulling down the fence, the carriage. And again,

1833
01:39:31,935 --> 01:39:34,095
Speaker 3: if you're building on the boundary, you definitely need a

1834
01:39:34,135 --> 01:39:37,455
Speaker 3: building consent. You can build one meter away from the boundary.

1835
01:39:38,335 --> 01:39:40,295
Speaker 3: You still need a building consent for that, but it

1836
01:39:40,335 --> 01:39:42,855
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily need to be fire rated, which makes the

1837
01:39:42,895 --> 01:39:48,335
Speaker 3: structure a bit simpler in terms of building building. You know,

1838
01:39:48,575 --> 01:39:51,095
Speaker 3: with the extension to what you can build under Schedule

1839
01:39:51,135 --> 01:39:52,895
Speaker 3: one of the Act, typically you have to be the

1840
01:39:53,015 --> 01:39:55,655
Speaker 3: height of the building away from the boundary in order

1841
01:39:55,735 --> 01:39:58,855
Speaker 3: for it to not require a building consent. Then suddenly

1842
01:39:59,015 --> 01:40:01,375
Speaker 3: you'd be you know, that's a lot of wasted space,

1843
01:40:01,415 --> 01:40:06,695
Speaker 3: isn't it. Oh, you could part the boat. There, good

1844
01:40:06,735 --> 01:40:08,655
Speaker 3: excuse to buy a boat. All right, mate, all the best,

1845
01:40:09,135 --> 01:40:12,055
Speaker 3: take you, I see you then bye way, Ah cricky,

1846
01:40:12,175 --> 01:40:14,895
Speaker 3: let's get into the garden. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1847
01:40:14,895 --> 01:40:18,575
Speaker 3: If you've got any gardening questions or into myological questions,

1848
01:40:18,615 --> 01:40:21,855
Speaker 3: a red climb past will be with us just straight

1849
01:40:21,895 --> 01:40:24,095
Speaker 3: after the break, So call us now, oh eight hundred

1850
01:40:24,215 --> 01:40:25,535
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

1851
01:40:26,895 --> 01:40:31,055
Speaker 1: Gardening with still shop free accessories this winter at steel shop.

1852
01:40:32,735 --> 01:40:36,695
Speaker 2: Measured twice, got once, but maybe coll Pete first.

1853
01:40:36,855 --> 01:40:40,415
Speaker 1: Peter wolf Camp, the resident builder with light four solar

1854
01:40:40,615 --> 01:40:42,215
Speaker 1: flick the switch to solar today.

1855
01:40:42,575 --> 01:40:43,455
Speaker 2: News talks, it'd be.

1856
01:40:44,575 --> 01:40:46,295
Speaker 3: Your news talks, it'd be Peg wolf Camp with you

1857
01:40:46,495 --> 01:40:48,695
Speaker 3: and Red climb past a very good morning, sir.

1858
01:40:49,015 --> 01:40:51,935
Speaker 20: Good morning. Rude is here too, Isn't that a lovely

1859
01:40:52,055 --> 01:40:52,455
Speaker 20: thing to do?

1860
01:40:52,815 --> 01:40:53,975
Speaker 3: Is running where you are?

1861
01:40:54,655 --> 01:40:57,415
Speaker 20: It's a gorgeous day, actually it's it was very cold,

1862
01:40:57,815 --> 01:41:01,615
Speaker 20: it's it's quite blue skyish and all that. But seeing

1863
01:41:01,655 --> 01:41:03,375
Speaker 20: we're waiting for some I noticed a caller, but we

1864
01:41:03,455 --> 01:41:05,535
Speaker 20: need some more callers, so befoid, I just want to

1865
01:41:05,575 --> 01:41:08,015
Speaker 20: tell you a story that I thought it was really cool.

1866
01:41:08,295 --> 01:41:10,495
Speaker 20: I've got I had some I have some really good

1867
01:41:10,615 --> 01:41:12,935
Speaker 20: Dutch friends that I've known almost from the day I

1868
01:41:13,055 --> 01:41:17,655
Speaker 20: came into New Zealand. And Dawn, she lives in tarot

1869
01:41:17,815 --> 01:41:20,095
Speaker 20: And in the Taroo region. She told me the story

1870
01:41:20,175 --> 01:41:23,575
Speaker 20: that I'd totally forgotten about. And she asked me this

1871
01:41:23,735 --> 01:41:27,135
Speaker 20: question about bulbs. How to do bulbs and how to

1872
01:41:27,335 --> 01:41:29,855
Speaker 20: you know, you have to call them down in the

1873
01:41:30,415 --> 01:41:32,975
Speaker 20: to get a nice cold winter over winter dry in

1874
01:41:33,055 --> 01:41:35,175
Speaker 20: the fridge. Okay, that sort of stuff. So I just

1875
01:41:35,255 --> 01:41:36,975
Speaker 20: came from the Netherlands, and I said, well, you put

1876
01:41:37,015 --> 01:41:37,935
Speaker 20: them in the freezer there?

1877
01:41:38,855 --> 01:41:41,015
Speaker 2: You do you know the fridge there?

1878
01:41:42,375 --> 01:41:43,575
Speaker 20: Do you know where this is going?

1879
01:41:44,135 --> 01:41:44,175
Speaker 7: No?

1880
01:41:44,295 --> 01:41:46,175
Speaker 3: I can imagine, well, well you can imagine.

1881
01:41:46,175 --> 01:41:47,975
Speaker 20: So the frize. There's a French word that's used in

1882
01:41:48,095 --> 01:41:51,815
Speaker 20: Dutch for the fridge actually, but it's also about where

1883
01:41:51,855 --> 01:41:54,575
Speaker 20: the freezer is. And this this was where the she

1884
01:41:54,655 --> 01:41:58,135
Speaker 20: puts them in the freezer and they they were mushy,

1885
01:41:58,615 --> 01:42:01,255
Speaker 20: and she told me that after about fifty years of

1886
01:42:01,335 --> 01:42:03,015
Speaker 20: living in New Zeald. You know, I never told you

1887
01:42:03,135 --> 01:42:06,055
Speaker 20: this story. That was a really stupid advice.

1888
01:42:08,335 --> 01:42:11,255
Speaker 3: But could you put them in the fridge, not the freezer.

1889
01:42:11,775 --> 01:42:13,415
Speaker 20: It's got to be the fridge. It's got to be

1890
01:42:13,495 --> 01:42:17,215
Speaker 20: the fridge in a paper bag to literally give them

1891
01:42:17,255 --> 01:42:20,335
Speaker 20: this overwintering site. But Dawn put them in the freezer

1892
01:42:20,375 --> 01:42:23,055
Speaker 20: because I probably said freezer, thinking oh that's the word.

1893
01:42:23,135 --> 01:42:23,975
Speaker 6: But it wasn't.

1894
01:42:25,495 --> 01:42:27,815
Speaker 20: Classic learning English.

1895
01:42:27,695 --> 01:42:30,095
Speaker 3: Funny that you mentioned that, because my sister was talking

1896
01:42:30,135 --> 01:42:33,415
Speaker 3: about planting bulbs the other day and you know the

1897
01:42:33,455 --> 01:42:35,415
Speaker 3: issue was that it just doesn't get that cold in

1898
01:42:35,455 --> 01:42:38,015
Speaker 3: Auckland and it certainly doesn't get that cold and Wayhiki,

1899
01:42:38,175 --> 01:42:42,255
Speaker 3: so you know where she's got this magnificent garden. She

1900
01:42:42,535 --> 01:42:43,615
Speaker 3: sent a good gardener.

1901
01:42:44,215 --> 01:42:45,375
Speaker 20: Lovely when it happened.

1902
01:42:45,495 --> 01:42:48,975
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was all about timing. We were talking,

1903
01:42:49,055 --> 01:42:51,175
Speaker 3: were seeing mum the other day and it was like, oh, no,

1904
01:42:51,255 --> 01:42:52,775
Speaker 3: I got to wait right till the end because I

1905
01:42:52,895 --> 01:42:55,615
Speaker 3: put them in now they'll just go crazy way too it.

1906
01:42:56,375 --> 01:42:59,055
Speaker 20: Yeah, I love that. Those are the stories that you think, gosh,

1907
01:42:59,615 --> 01:43:01,655
Speaker 20: those are the old days. Oh, by the way. And

1908
01:43:02,055 --> 01:43:05,335
Speaker 20: Tony her husband was a builder, and he I remember

1909
01:43:05,415 --> 01:43:07,255
Speaker 20: building with him, build in front of my house. This

1910
01:43:07,415 --> 01:43:09,055
Speaker 20: is in the day before there were consent.

1911
01:43:10,775 --> 01:43:11,255
Speaker 2: Do you know that?

1912
01:43:11,415 --> 01:43:13,735
Speaker 20: You don't even go there?

1913
01:43:14,215 --> 01:43:16,735
Speaker 3: I love it. Right now, let's get amongst the calls.

1914
01:43:17,095 --> 01:43:20,295
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties that number to call Hello, Alistair?

1915
01:43:21,695 --> 01:43:22,015
Speaker 14: Gooday?

1916
01:43:23,815 --> 01:43:24,735
Speaker 2: What can we do for you?

1917
01:43:24,935 --> 01:43:27,695
Speaker 14: Day here? Not a very good day here? It's raining

1918
01:43:27,855 --> 01:43:28,415
Speaker 14: right hell.

1919
01:43:28,855 --> 01:43:31,255
Speaker 20: I can't help you with that, I'm afraid, Alice. I've

1920
01:43:31,335 --> 01:43:34,775
Speaker 20: tried that, but it never worked me neither.

1921
01:43:35,015 --> 01:43:37,975
Speaker 14: You're right. Look, I want to talk to you about

1922
01:43:38,055 --> 01:43:43,855
Speaker 14: strawberries and my strawberries. I've grown strawberries here for years

1923
01:43:43,895 --> 01:43:47,935
Speaker 14: and years and years, and they've usually been terrific. Now,

1924
01:43:48,055 --> 01:43:52,935
Speaker 14: the last season we had terrific plants. There were very

1925
01:43:53,015 --> 01:43:57,455
Speaker 14: healthy plants and bushy and everything, but very few strawberries.

1926
01:43:58,495 --> 01:44:01,535
Speaker 14: And I'm wondering now what to do about that, because

1927
01:44:01,575 --> 01:44:04,455
Speaker 14: I want to put some. I'm just about to dig them.

1928
01:44:04,455 --> 01:44:07,975
Speaker 20: Up, dig the man I did them or replant them

1929
01:44:08,095 --> 01:44:08,815
Speaker 20: or something.

1930
01:44:08,935 --> 01:44:12,975
Speaker 14: Replant yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't know. First of all,

1931
01:44:13,655 --> 01:44:17,055
Speaker 14: the plants are there and they're still very bushy, but

1932
01:44:17,135 --> 01:44:20,415
Speaker 14: they've got lots of runners. Can I use the runners

1933
01:44:20,695 --> 01:44:21,735
Speaker 14: for the new season?

1934
01:44:23,175 --> 01:44:28,615
Speaker 20: Alistair? I've used runners all my life. Last year, last

1935
01:44:28,695 --> 01:44:32,135
Speaker 20: year was a crappy year in which I had virtually

1936
01:44:32,375 --> 01:44:35,895
Speaker 20: no strawberries at all. I have no I was going

1937
01:44:35,935 --> 01:44:37,055
Speaker 20: to ask you the same question.

1938
01:44:38,415 --> 01:44:39,135
Speaker 14: Yeah, same.

1939
01:44:39,375 --> 01:44:41,735
Speaker 20: I don't know what happened last year. Yeah, I don't know,

1940
01:44:42,295 --> 01:44:43,615
Speaker 20: but I'm having another goal.

1941
01:44:44,975 --> 01:44:49,615
Speaker 14: Yep, yeah, I'm having another goal. Strawberries. Yeah, I can hear.

1942
01:44:49,655 --> 01:44:51,695
Speaker 20: We're talking over each other. On get on with it.

1943
01:44:51,775 --> 01:44:56,215
Speaker 14: Yes, we had very few strawberries. There are big, beautiful strawberries,

1944
01:44:56,255 --> 01:44:57,975
Speaker 14: but there are only a very few of them.

1945
01:44:58,655 --> 01:45:01,415
Speaker 20: Funny that camarosa and all the things that I used

1946
01:45:01,415 --> 01:45:04,215
Speaker 20: to used to have, there's quite a few nice varieties

1947
01:45:04,295 --> 01:45:09,175
Speaker 20: that I can grow here in Canterbury, and they were

1948
01:45:09,295 --> 01:45:11,495
Speaker 20: they were a pain in the bum last year. There

1949
01:45:11,575 --> 01:45:14,735
Speaker 20: was nothing happening. The birds would get the rest, et cetera,

1950
01:45:14,775 --> 01:45:17,215
Speaker 20: et cetera, et cetera. I do not know what it is.

1951
01:45:17,455 --> 01:45:19,895
Speaker 20: I think what I'm going to do in the next

1952
01:45:20,015 --> 01:45:21,895
Speaker 20: month or so is put a whole lot of new

1953
01:45:21,935 --> 01:45:25,175
Speaker 20: top soil on and and start again if you like,

1954
01:45:25,335 --> 01:45:29,135
Speaker 20: you know, but also keep those keep those runners going,

1955
01:45:29,215 --> 01:45:31,695
Speaker 20: because that's what your new varieties are. But I'm going

1956
01:45:31,735 --> 01:45:33,695
Speaker 20: to get some new anyway, blow it. I'm going to

1957
01:45:34,495 --> 01:45:39,535
Speaker 20: drinks and get some Yeah, that's all I'm going to Okay, Yeah,

1958
01:45:39,815 --> 01:45:41,575
Speaker 20: you can use those as far as I'm concerned.

1959
01:45:42,655 --> 01:45:46,815
Speaker 14: Yeah, and maybe make a few new new plants and

1960
01:45:46,935 --> 01:45:47,375
Speaker 14: with them.

1961
01:45:47,815 --> 01:45:50,775
Speaker 20: Yes, do and also dig the stuff up for a change,

1962
01:45:50,935 --> 01:45:53,975
Speaker 20: get some nice organic material in their compost da DA data,

1963
01:45:54,735 --> 01:45:56,975
Speaker 20: and and see if next year is going to be

1964
01:45:57,055 --> 01:45:58,055
Speaker 20: better this coming season.

1965
01:45:58,415 --> 01:45:58,615
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1966
01:45:59,375 --> 01:46:01,575
Speaker 14: So, so I got a big pile of melch here,

1967
01:46:01,655 --> 01:46:04,735
Speaker 14: for example, I dig that in with the compost.

1968
01:46:05,455 --> 01:46:06,495
Speaker 20: What sort of multi is that?

1969
01:46:06,615 --> 01:46:09,495
Speaker 7: By the way, it's just old.

1970
01:46:10,055 --> 01:46:16,815
Speaker 14: Old, old wood that's been ground up and that's setting

1971
01:46:17,135 --> 01:46:17,855
Speaker 14: just setting there.

1972
01:46:18,655 --> 01:46:21,415
Speaker 20: Are you sure you would use that? I would probably

1973
01:46:21,575 --> 01:46:24,295
Speaker 20: use organic material like compost rather than the than the

1974
01:46:24,375 --> 01:46:28,575
Speaker 20: wood because when the case it takes, it takes quite

1975
01:46:28,575 --> 01:46:31,455
Speaker 20: a bit of nitrogen out of the soil as well. Yeah,

1976
01:46:31,535 --> 01:46:34,295
Speaker 20: I think so. Yeah, And that means that the soil

1977
01:46:34,375 --> 01:46:37,975
Speaker 20: condition is not as fabulous for strawberries, as for instance,

1978
01:46:38,095 --> 01:46:40,775
Speaker 20: a good organic material, sure.

1979
01:46:40,575 --> 01:46:43,295
Speaker 14: Sure, sure? And and what else would you use to

1980
01:46:43,375 --> 01:46:45,575
Speaker 14: sort of give them a bit of bit of life?

1981
01:46:46,375 --> 01:46:48,695
Speaker 20: It's very simple. But what I tend to use is

1982
01:46:48,735 --> 01:46:51,975
Speaker 20: a liquid fertilizer from wet and forget. It's called seafood

1983
01:46:52,015 --> 01:46:55,535
Speaker 20: soup or seaweed tea. In this case, I mix them up. No,

1984
01:46:55,655 --> 01:46:58,455
Speaker 20: I don't mixed up. I alternate them one one week

1985
01:46:58,535 --> 01:47:00,575
Speaker 20: I do the seafood soup. The next week I do

1986
01:47:00,695 --> 01:47:01,495
Speaker 20: the seaweed tea.

1987
01:47:02,855 --> 01:47:05,615
Speaker 14: Okay, that's what I want, Thank you very U.

1988
01:47:06,655 --> 01:47:07,255
Speaker 7: You know what I do.

1989
01:47:07,455 --> 01:47:11,535
Speaker 20: I use those both those materials in a watering can,

1990
01:47:12,295 --> 01:47:14,455
Speaker 20: and I do a little bit of it in the

1991
01:47:14,535 --> 01:47:17,095
Speaker 20: ten liters watering can so that it looks like really

1992
01:47:17,295 --> 01:47:21,055
Speaker 20: weak tea, not too strong, like really you know that

1993
01:47:21,255 --> 01:47:25,375
Speaker 20: light brown wiki tea, that stopy stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's

1994
01:47:25,415 --> 01:47:29,295
Speaker 20: what it's. You not too much, eager, easy, Okay.

1995
01:47:31,415 --> 01:47:35,575
Speaker 3: You have a great ta take care. Oh one hundred

1996
01:47:35,575 --> 01:47:36,855
Speaker 3: and eighty ten, And you've got a couple of spell

1997
01:47:36,895 --> 01:47:38,335
Speaker 3: lines pin a good morning.

1998
01:47:39,495 --> 01:47:43,055
Speaker 19: Good morning, good morning. I've been mean to ringing last

1999
01:47:43,095 --> 01:47:46,575
Speaker 19: two weekends working on beginning, but we've got some popcorn

2000
01:47:46,735 --> 01:47:51,255
Speaker 19: scale and sick on our orange mix an orange blossom.

2001
01:47:51,255 --> 01:47:53,255
Speaker 19: We can't sin. We get rid of it spready with

2002
01:47:53,375 --> 01:47:58,055
Speaker 19: conger oil several times. But the leafy part of the

2003
01:47:58,095 --> 01:48:00,495
Speaker 19: plant's really healthy, but the wooden part's just covered in it.

2004
01:48:01,935 --> 01:48:05,855
Speaker 20: Ah, okay, so this is the this is this is

2005
01:48:05,935 --> 01:48:08,495
Speaker 20: in the and uh, this is not an edible plant,

2006
01:48:08,575 --> 01:48:12,615
Speaker 20: of course it's it's it's yeah, I know. So for

2007
01:48:12,735 --> 01:48:15,215
Speaker 20: that reason, what I would choose is a material that's

2008
01:48:15,255 --> 01:48:17,335
Speaker 20: come out a couple of years ago, and it's called

2009
01:48:17,855 --> 01:48:22,615
Speaker 20: grow ventive. So g R O V E n T

2010
01:48:23,015 --> 01:48:30,255
Speaker 20: I ve grow ventive. Okay, that is that's a pretty

2011
01:48:30,295 --> 01:48:32,615
Speaker 20: good material for scale and sex and meadi bugs and

2012
01:48:32,655 --> 01:48:33,695
Speaker 20: a fits and things like that.

2013
01:48:35,615 --> 01:48:38,535
Speaker 19: It's quite strange. A spread it several times with the conqueror,

2014
01:48:38,735 --> 01:48:41,575
Speaker 19: but it just doesn't seem to And the green of

2015
01:48:41,655 --> 01:48:43,895
Speaker 19: the plant is still quite lash and green and lovely,

2016
01:48:43,975 --> 01:48:46,295
Speaker 19: but the wooden pats just covered on and the popcorn

2017
01:48:46,415 --> 01:48:48,375
Speaker 19: scale don't see that they're doing anything.

2018
01:48:49,095 --> 01:48:49,295
Speaker 20: Yeah.

2019
01:48:49,535 --> 01:48:49,575
Speaker 5: No.

2020
01:48:49,735 --> 01:48:52,375
Speaker 20: The grov grow ventive is a material that is being

2021
01:48:52,455 --> 01:48:55,415
Speaker 20: taken up by the plant and goes through the system

2022
01:48:55,615 --> 01:49:00,015
Speaker 20: upon which those particular scales feed. So they feed on

2023
01:49:00,095 --> 01:49:03,135
Speaker 20: the flowam, the floam which is part of the system

2024
01:49:03,215 --> 01:49:07,455
Speaker 20: inside the leaves and inside the twigs, and that will

2025
01:49:07,535 --> 01:49:09,935
Speaker 20: be then, if you like, poisoned by the grow ventive.

2026
01:49:10,015 --> 01:49:13,095
Speaker 20: So they literally eat a material that that kills them.

2027
01:49:13,495 --> 01:49:16,255
Speaker 20: And it's it's systemic, as we call it. It goes

2028
01:49:16,335 --> 01:49:19,135
Speaker 20: into the plant and it is a really good material

2029
01:49:19,255 --> 01:49:23,095
Speaker 20: to stop it from being sucked upon by these step

2030
01:49:23,215 --> 01:49:27,815
Speaker 20: sucking creatures. You cannot use grow ventive on edible crops,

2031
01:49:28,615 --> 01:49:30,615
Speaker 20: but you can do it on ornamental crops.

2032
01:49:32,095 --> 01:49:33,655
Speaker 6: That's great, that's what I want to hear.

2033
01:49:35,655 --> 01:49:38,815
Speaker 20: It'll work well, yeah, it works fabulously. I've tried it

2034
01:49:38,895 --> 01:49:41,735
Speaker 20: so many times. It's it's it's really really good and

2035
01:49:41,855 --> 01:49:43,975
Speaker 20: really quick too. It goes within a couple of weeks.

2036
01:49:44,335 --> 01:49:46,495
Speaker 20: And if you think that those things are not you

2037
01:49:46,655 --> 01:49:46,855
Speaker 20: go on.

2038
01:49:47,895 --> 01:49:49,415
Speaker 19: I was gonna say, my wife was at the station

2039
01:49:49,495 --> 01:49:51,335
Speaker 19: and I pull out the whole bloody's hinge.

2040
01:49:52,975 --> 01:49:53,215
Speaker 14: Side.

2041
01:49:54,295 --> 01:49:56,455
Speaker 20: No need to, no need to. You can save it.

2042
01:49:57,335 --> 01:49:59,015
Speaker 20: You'll be the hero of the day.

2043
01:50:00,055 --> 01:50:00,895
Speaker 18: I'm already the hero.

2044
01:50:02,455 --> 01:50:08,975
Speaker 3: Bye bye, beautiful, beautiful, probably been married fifty years. That right,

2045
01:50:09,335 --> 01:50:12,055
Speaker 3: we will take a short break. Actually, fist up tixt

2046
01:50:12,375 --> 01:50:14,615
Speaker 3: please give advice on what to feed higherbiscus.

2047
01:50:15,855 --> 01:50:18,655
Speaker 20: Ah, depends on how high it is. It could be

2048
01:50:18,695 --> 01:50:23,095
Speaker 20: a low biscus. Now I'm joking. I at this stage,

2049
01:50:23,135 --> 01:50:26,615
Speaker 20: I wouldn't feed anything yet. As such, the soil, you

2050
01:50:26,695 --> 01:50:29,695
Speaker 20: can put stuff on the soil. I talked to Jack

2051
01:50:29,735 --> 01:50:33,335
Speaker 20: about it yesterday with potash, with the ash from fires.

2052
01:50:33,855 --> 01:50:35,895
Speaker 20: I put that on because I keep that actually in

2053
01:50:35,935 --> 01:50:37,935
Speaker 20: the top layers of the soil, and it doesn't really

2054
01:50:38,095 --> 01:50:41,095
Speaker 20: go away that quickly. Well yeah, within a couple of months,

2055
01:50:41,175 --> 01:50:43,935
Speaker 20: but you know, by the time that the temperatures are

2056
01:50:43,975 --> 01:50:46,855
Speaker 20: going up, that is when a plant starts to take

2057
01:50:47,015 --> 01:50:49,975
Speaker 20: in the nutrients. So at the moment it's dormant. No

2058
01:50:50,175 --> 01:50:51,975
Speaker 20: point in fertilizing until.

2059
01:50:51,735 --> 01:50:55,215
Speaker 3: It's a bit warmer, right, which will be when.

2060
01:50:56,695 --> 01:50:59,735
Speaker 20: Depends on where you are exactly. Yeah, no, yeah, you

2061
01:50:59,815 --> 01:51:02,135
Speaker 20: know what I mean. It's it's it's really say. For me,

2062
01:51:02,255 --> 01:51:06,415
Speaker 20: it would be here late August, early September, I started looking.

2063
01:51:07,255 --> 01:51:09,895
Speaker 3: Like August, well late augustus next month.

2064
01:51:10,375 --> 01:51:10,615
Speaker 14: I know.

2065
01:51:11,375 --> 01:51:13,455
Speaker 20: But you know, don't waste your time and your money

2066
01:51:13,495 --> 01:51:15,655
Speaker 20: by putting stuff in the ground that is not being

2067
01:51:15,735 --> 01:51:18,895
Speaker 20: used by the plants, because they're very ungrateful little more,

2068
01:51:18,935 --> 01:51:20,695
Speaker 20: and so don't take it. You know and you pay

2069
01:51:20,775 --> 01:51:20,935
Speaker 20: for it.

2070
01:51:21,415 --> 01:51:25,775
Speaker 3: Sorry, fair enough one dutchment or another right forty two.

2071
01:51:25,975 --> 01:51:27,015
Speaker 3: We'll be back after the.

2072
01:51:27,055 --> 01:51:29,335
Speaker 2: Break doing upper house sorting the garden.

2073
01:51:29,455 --> 01:51:32,335
Speaker 1: Ask Pete for a hand, the resident builder with Peter

2074
01:51:32,415 --> 01:51:35,895
Speaker 1: Wolfcamp and light Force Solar. Get your solar safer peg

2075
01:51:36,015 --> 01:51:39,215
Speaker 1: now call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news.

2076
01:51:39,095 --> 01:51:41,615
Speaker 3: Talk z B lines are open. If you've got a

2077
01:51:41,695 --> 01:51:43,455
Speaker 3: question for Ridd, you'll need to be quick. But there

2078
01:51:43,535 --> 01:51:46,015
Speaker 3: are a couple of spear lines right now. So eight

2079
01:51:46,175 --> 01:51:49,375
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty or text if you wish. Nine

2080
01:51:49,455 --> 01:51:51,895
Speaker 3: to nine two is ebz B for mobile phone.

2081
01:51:53,255 --> 01:51:53,495
Speaker 2: Rudd.

2082
01:51:54,615 --> 01:51:57,055
Speaker 3: Is now a good time to be doing some planting.

2083
01:51:58,815 --> 01:52:00,855
Speaker 20: Yes, if you have a Tunguel house for instance, where

2084
01:52:00,855 --> 01:52:01,335
Speaker 20: I am.

2085
01:52:01,695 --> 01:52:04,095
Speaker 3: No, I'm thinking about like proper outdoor planting trees.

2086
01:52:04,215 --> 01:52:04,655
Speaker 6: Yes, it is.

2087
01:52:04,815 --> 01:52:07,735
Speaker 20: It's excellent. This is to plant. This is why all

2088
01:52:07,855 --> 01:52:12,655
Speaker 20: these organizations that restore New Zealand are basically having their

2089
01:52:12,695 --> 01:52:16,095
Speaker 20: Saturday's gone. We had one in Hallswell Quarry like yesterday,

2090
01:52:16,535 --> 01:52:18,855
Speaker 20: and of course Nigel told me that I wasn't there.

2091
01:52:19,295 --> 01:52:23,775
Speaker 20: He was right because I forgot. Oh gosh, you golly,

2092
01:52:23,895 --> 01:52:27,055
Speaker 20: now those are exactly and there were about seventy or

2093
01:52:27,095 --> 01:52:29,655
Speaker 20: eighty people, I think, and this is really cool stuff

2094
01:52:29,735 --> 01:52:32,135
Speaker 20: because that's what it's. This is what your environment is.

2095
01:52:32,615 --> 01:52:35,135
Speaker 20: Next time you come in Christ, here's Peter. I'll show

2096
01:52:35,135 --> 01:52:37,255
Speaker 20: you what happened over the last twenty five years in

2097
01:52:37,335 --> 01:52:40,895
Speaker 20: that particular quarry, because that is now becoming a real

2098
01:52:41,335 --> 01:52:45,575
Speaker 20: cool bird paradise. There's lizards, there's all of amazing bugs

2099
01:52:45,615 --> 01:52:48,415
Speaker 20: and things like that. It is really really good and

2100
01:52:48,535 --> 01:52:51,535
Speaker 20: it's all done by the people of Hallswell. If you're

2101
01:52:51,575 --> 01:52:53,455
Speaker 20: like of West Southwest.

2102
01:52:54,295 --> 01:52:57,295
Speaker 3: How much has changed Because I was down there Shivers

2103
01:52:57,895 --> 01:53:00,895
Speaker 3: six seven years ago actually filming a little piece in

2104
01:53:01,055 --> 01:53:03,855
Speaker 3: the quarry there. We just needed somewhere to sit and

2105
01:53:04,215 --> 01:53:06,175
Speaker 3: have a chat with the people that we were filming,

2106
01:53:06,535 --> 01:53:09,615
Speaker 3: and I remember sort of seeing the emergence of all

2107
01:53:09,695 --> 01:53:13,935
Speaker 3: of this restoration, this ecological restoration and sort of interesting.

2108
01:53:14,015 --> 01:53:14,175
Speaker 6: See.

2109
01:53:14,415 --> 01:53:17,095
Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right. If you go around the country

2110
01:53:17,175 --> 01:53:21,215
Speaker 3: these days, I think that there is there are just

2111
01:53:21,375 --> 01:53:25,095
Speaker 3: literally thousands of people out working in their community doing

2112
01:53:25,175 --> 01:53:27,575
Speaker 3: planting at the moment. It is so massive.

2113
01:53:27,615 --> 01:53:30,095
Speaker 20: It's great and I would like to say thank you

2114
01:53:30,175 --> 01:53:33,575
Speaker 20: New Zealanders because it's done by all of us. So

2115
01:53:33,735 --> 01:53:36,375
Speaker 20: we're banding birds we do bird banding in their quarry,

2116
01:53:36,455 --> 01:53:38,775
Speaker 20: for instance, and we train other people, dock people and

2117
01:53:38,855 --> 01:53:40,775
Speaker 20: comes from people how to do that with nuts and

2118
01:53:41,175 --> 01:53:44,855
Speaker 20: how to put things around their rings, around their legs

2119
01:53:44,895 --> 01:53:47,495
Speaker 20: and all that. And we are now starting to find

2120
01:53:47,575 --> 01:53:50,095
Speaker 20: more and more and more birds there and it is

2121
01:53:50,255 --> 01:53:52,095
Speaker 20: absolutely stunning yet great.

2122
01:53:53,135 --> 01:53:55,735
Speaker 3: He just I'm curious about you using the ash from

2123
01:53:55,775 --> 01:53:57,415
Speaker 3: the wood burner or from the fire.

2124
01:53:57,655 --> 01:53:58,495
Speaker 6: So what do you do?

2125
01:53:58,655 --> 01:54:01,455
Speaker 3: You try and sort of thin it out, do you?

2126
01:54:02,055 --> 01:54:04,815
Speaker 3: Obviously you keep it and let it You're not putting

2127
01:54:04,855 --> 01:54:08,335
Speaker 3: it on warm obviously it's outside. It cools down, is there?

2128
01:54:08,575 --> 01:54:10,935
Speaker 3: Like do you let it kind of semi compost before

2129
01:54:10,975 --> 01:54:12,055
Speaker 3: you apply it or do you just.

2130
01:54:12,335 --> 01:54:14,135
Speaker 20: You can do that if you've got a compost bend

2131
01:54:14,135 --> 01:54:16,215
Speaker 20: that is still that is still going. Do you remember?

2132
01:54:16,215 --> 01:54:19,895
Speaker 20: It's pretty cool, but you have to really make it thin.

2133
01:54:20,135 --> 01:54:22,375
Speaker 20: Don't put it in a huge layer on the rise

2134
01:54:22,455 --> 01:54:24,535
Speaker 20: because it becomes cement. Yeah.

2135
01:54:25,015 --> 01:54:25,215
Speaker 14: I do.

2136
01:54:26,095 --> 01:54:27,255
Speaker 20: I do it on a wendy day.

2137
01:54:27,655 --> 01:54:30,815
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. And your neighbors get some of the benefit

2138
01:54:30,935 --> 01:54:32,055
Speaker 3: as well as well.

2139
01:54:32,135 --> 01:54:34,015
Speaker 20: And also and only do it of course on the

2140
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Speaker 20: plants that need that. Use the potege de calium for

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01:54:38,375 --> 01:54:41,855
Speaker 20: flowers and fruit. So the flowers and fruiting plants, and

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Speaker 20: that you know, even although they might not use it now,

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Speaker 20: it will be used, as you said, at the end

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Speaker 20: of next month.

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Speaker 3: There you go, brilliant Tom, A very good morning to you.

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01:54:51,895 --> 01:54:56,775
Speaker 18: Good good morning, Pete. And another's rude. I've got something

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01:54:56,855 --> 01:54:59,575
Speaker 18: on your line right now. To my surprise, the last

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01:54:59,655 --> 01:55:02,575
Speaker 18: couple of weeks, as I look on my back door

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Speaker 18: in this house which i'm by myself except for my

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Speaker 18: I departed whites for cats, there's about fifty bees stationary

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01:55:11,935 --> 01:55:14,215
Speaker 18: on the glass and some on the ledge.

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Speaker 20: Of your glasshouse. Of your glasshouse.

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Speaker 18: No, this is my residence, which I built sixty two

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01:55:24,055 --> 01:55:28,175
Speaker 18: years ago. Right, okay, back door, it's a four light

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01:55:28,255 --> 01:55:28,775
Speaker 18: glass door.

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01:55:28,855 --> 01:55:32,575
Speaker 20: See sure. So where are you ringing from? What part

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01:55:32,615 --> 01:55:33,935
Speaker 20: of New Zealtists is the north?

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01:55:35,215 --> 01:55:35,375
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Yes, don on my road?

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Speaker 20: There you go. Okay, you have to remember that the

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01:55:40,935 --> 01:55:43,455
Speaker 20: time is coming that bees are starting to swarm. That

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01:55:43,655 --> 01:55:47,055
Speaker 20: is number one. But you're only mentioning let's say sixty

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01:55:47,215 --> 01:55:49,815
Speaker 20: or so bees, so it might not be yet a

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01:55:49,895 --> 01:55:52,055
Speaker 20: big swarm. It might be a small swarm. But the

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Speaker 20: point is that at the moment my bees or the

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01:55:54,175 --> 01:55:57,175
Speaker 20: bees of my neighbor here in christ Church are still

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01:55:57,615 --> 01:56:01,455
Speaker 20: flying around. So for some reason, they think it's warm

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Speaker 20: enough on a good day like today looks a good day. Actually,

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01:56:04,735 --> 01:56:07,495
Speaker 20: with a bit of sun late, you'll find the bees

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Speaker 20: are still moving. That's number one. But the second thing

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01:56:11,015 --> 01:56:14,695
Speaker 20: is that usually a swarm doesn't happen until late October,

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01:56:14,735 --> 01:56:18,535
Speaker 20: early September onwards, if you like, so, maybe this might

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01:56:18,575 --> 01:56:19,415
Speaker 20: be an earlier group.

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Speaker 18: What am I going to do with them?

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01:56:24,695 --> 01:56:24,855
Speaker 14: Well?

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01:56:24,895 --> 01:56:26,375
Speaker 20: Are they on the outside of your house?

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01:56:28,095 --> 01:56:30,055
Speaker 18: No? The inside?

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01:56:30,935 --> 01:56:31,095
Speaker 9: Oh?

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01:56:31,335 --> 01:56:31,655
Speaker 20: Really?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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01:56:33,095 --> 01:56:36,215
Speaker 18: I have a big glasp front in which there is

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01:56:36,335 --> 01:56:39,415
Speaker 18: a broken piece up the top, and my wife when

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01:56:39,495 --> 01:56:41,975
Speaker 18: she was here, would spend ten minutes getting an odd

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01:56:42,055 --> 01:56:44,695
Speaker 18: bee out that got lost. But these ones have been

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01:56:44,775 --> 01:56:47,335
Speaker 18: here for two weeks. I thought there were fires for start.

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01:56:47,775 --> 01:56:50,295
Speaker 18: They if you touch them, they will, they can move.

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01:56:50,335 --> 01:56:50,895
Speaker 18: They're alive.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, okay, right in this case, get yourself. You need

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01:56:54,375 --> 01:56:56,895
Speaker 20: to go to your local area, ask your local people

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Speaker 20: that know about these things. Who is a beekeeper in

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01:56:59,815 --> 01:57:03,215
Speaker 20: your area, and they may want to get some of

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01:57:03,375 --> 01:57:06,175
Speaker 20: those for a new I feel like a new breed

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01:57:06,375 --> 01:57:07,055
Speaker 20: they're looking at.

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Speaker 18: Oh right, okay, do you know what I mean? I

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01:57:11,535 --> 01:57:14,495
Speaker 18: do I've got the answer to that prime. I'm okay,

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Speaker 18: but I didn't get rid of the cockroaches by the

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01:57:17,375 --> 01:57:20,095
Speaker 18: time you told me to use soap works. They're all

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Speaker 18: through the house.

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Speaker 20: Well, yeah, that can happen, but you have to remember

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01:57:25,455 --> 01:57:28,975
Speaker 20: many cockroaches aren't really not that troublesome. The native ones

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Speaker 20: basically come inside because it's too cold outside, and they

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01:57:32,495 --> 01:57:35,375
Speaker 20: will move outside again to clean up all the stuff

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01:57:35,415 --> 01:57:38,415
Speaker 20: in your garden. You know, they're recyclists, so that's what

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01:57:38,535 --> 01:57:40,655
Speaker 20: they do. But in the winter time they think, oh,

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01:57:40,695 --> 01:57:42,855
Speaker 20: this is a nice place that Tom's got. I think

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01:57:42,895 --> 01:57:44,815
Speaker 20: I might move in. By the way he built that

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01:57:44,935 --> 01:57:47,735
Speaker 20: house over the top of our habitat, we might move in.

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Speaker 18: Well, when I first came here, I never saw any Well,

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01:57:55,415 --> 01:57:58,175
Speaker 18: occasionally there was. When they delivered the Herald, there was

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01:57:58,215 --> 01:57:59,855
Speaker 18: a few big ones in the bag of that.

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01:58:00,575 --> 01:58:04,095
Speaker 20: Yeah, the Herald. Well, the Harald spreads cockroaches all over

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01:58:04,175 --> 01:58:06,175
Speaker 20: the place. You've known that all your life, haven't you.

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01:58:08,535 --> 01:58:11,895
Speaker 18: No, not me, All our others have talked about not cockroaches.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, that's sorry to different, same mate, all the best.

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01:58:22,455 --> 01:58:25,695
Speaker 3: I'm slightly confused by the snake's tist. Hey, Rod, please

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01:58:25,775 --> 01:58:30,455
Speaker 3: advise on how to get bitter flowering from two barrows tubros.

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01:58:30,535 --> 01:58:31,415
Speaker 20: Yeah, tubros.

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01:58:32,375 --> 01:58:34,375
Speaker 3: Put them on the fridge, not in the freezer.

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01:58:34,495 --> 01:58:34,855
Speaker 2: We know that.

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01:58:35,215 --> 01:58:37,135
Speaker 20: But yeah, no in the fridge. Yeah, you could do that.

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01:58:37,255 --> 01:58:38,655
Speaker 20: But on the other end, what you can do is you,

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01:58:38,855 --> 01:58:41,135
Speaker 20: if they've been there and and the plants are in

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01:58:41,215 --> 01:58:45,455
Speaker 20: good condition, use some of that potash sulfate of potash,

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01:58:45,655 --> 01:58:47,575
Speaker 20: or if you like, a little layer of the stuff

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01:58:47,575 --> 01:58:51,095
Speaker 20: from the garden, from your from your fireplace to put

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01:58:51,175 --> 01:58:53,935
Speaker 20: that potash into the root zone. And it is the

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01:58:54,055 --> 01:58:56,215
Speaker 20: potash that makes the tube brosis flower.

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Speaker 18: Right.

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Speaker 20: That's that follows on nicely from what we talked about before.

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01:59:02,255 --> 01:59:04,975
Speaker 20: Not everybody's got a fireplace anymore, of course, So you

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01:59:05,095 --> 01:59:09,335
Speaker 20: can now buy a little granules called sulfate off potash,

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01:59:09,415 --> 01:59:12,215
Speaker 20: which is the same sort of material and that literally

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01:59:12,375 --> 01:59:17,615
Speaker 20: makes the plant increase its flowering and fruit in capacity.

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01:59:17,655 --> 01:59:19,655
Speaker 20: If you like, you can use them for all those

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01:59:19,695 --> 01:59:20,255
Speaker 20: different things.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you very much. That's awesome. Ryl Of, very

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01:59:23,615 --> 01:59:24,255
Speaker 3: good morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 21: I'd just like to ask Rudy question, please go for it.

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Speaker 21: I have seen all hoyas in my sunroom, one of

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01:59:35,495 --> 01:59:40,415
Speaker 21: them being forty years old other ones are just collected now.

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01:59:40,495 --> 01:59:44,735
Speaker 21: They all flare beautiously. However, because of the sun roam

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01:59:45,535 --> 01:59:50,695
Speaker 21: the sun on mia and I do have a shade cloth.

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01:59:50,935 --> 01:59:53,775
Speaker 21: But over leaves are going through pale. What can I

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01:59:53,855 --> 01:59:58,815
Speaker 21: give them to bring the leaves back to grainy means a.

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01:59:58,855 --> 02:00:01,935
Speaker 20: Little bit of fertilizer, liquid fertilizer when you water them,

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02:00:02,135 --> 02:00:04,535
Speaker 20: don't You don't water your hoyas too often. If you've

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02:00:04,575 --> 02:00:06,735
Speaker 20: done it forty years, I don't need to tell you

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Speaker 20: how to grow hoyas.

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Speaker 21: Oh well, the forty year one eighteen belonged to my mother.

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Speaker 21: But I am old enough to have had it for

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Speaker 21: fourty years.

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Speaker 20: But yeah, but you know you don't over water them,

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Speaker 20: generally speaking. But from now on, what I would do

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Speaker 20: if you, if I were you, and because they're inside,

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Speaker 20: I would give them a bit of liquid fertilizer, Just

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02:00:26,775 --> 02:00:30,095
Speaker 20: a little bit of the liquid fertilizer in the watering

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02:00:30,175 --> 02:00:32,935
Speaker 20: can that you water your hoyas with, and that will

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02:00:33,295 --> 02:00:36,015
Speaker 20: that will sort out the yellowing of your leaves. I'm sure?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 21: Because they oh, you know, the old one has fifty players,

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02:00:42,495 --> 02:00:45,655
Speaker 21: you know, every time at players and some of them

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02:00:45,695 --> 02:00:49,095
Speaker 21: I've just pulls up mistee and several players. It's a

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Speaker 21: really good twice.

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Speaker 20: It is a good and you know what. I used

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Speaker 20: to have a hoyer in the Netherlands when I was

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02:00:55,255 --> 02:00:58,815
Speaker 20: a student that would go right around my room. That

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02:00:58,975 --> 02:01:04,055
Speaker 20: hoya would be about one two, three, four times five

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Speaker 20: twenty meters long, tendrols and and yeah, and I literally

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02:01:09,895 --> 02:01:13,455
Speaker 20: trained it right around the ceiling of my of my

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Speaker 20: of my room where I was staying, absolutely gorgeous flowering

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Speaker 20: every year. At the moment, my hoyas are in a

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Speaker 20: slightly too dark condition, and Julie was already saying, we

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02:01:23,855 --> 02:01:25,975
Speaker 20: need to do something about that, so we're going to

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02:01:26,015 --> 02:01:27,735
Speaker 20: put it in a slightly lighter place.

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Speaker 21: I would say, yeah, okay, well, thank you very much. Advice.

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Speaker 20: It's great, Cheryl, You're doing a great job. I love

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Speaker 20: the whoy and there's so many different varieties of them.

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02:01:37,695 --> 02:01:38,215
Speaker 20: Have you seen that?

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02:01:38,735 --> 02:01:38,895
Speaker 17: Oh?

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02:01:39,535 --> 02:01:40,535
Speaker 18: I know, I know.

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02:01:41,015 --> 02:01:44,015
Speaker 21: I wish I could get some of the different talented ones,

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02:01:44,135 --> 02:01:46,855
Speaker 21: but they quite hard or quite winter.

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02:01:47,455 --> 02:01:50,135
Speaker 20: Yes, I know. My days it was you could get

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02:01:50,175 --> 02:01:53,855
Speaker 20: them from anybody. As students in the Netherlands, we changed them,

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02:01:53,855 --> 02:01:55,815
Speaker 20: of course, There's not nothing. It was very simple.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, right, good, thanks very much.

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02:01:59,815 --> 02:02:04,375
Speaker 20: Bye, hey morning, welcome bye bye yl that it's so good.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy a good day because up here it's just a

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Speaker 3: little bit on the damp side.

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Speaker 20: I get it that that's why I molded lawn yesterday,

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02:02:12,415 --> 02:02:14,975
Speaker 20: because I have not been able to do it since February.

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02:02:15,335 --> 02:02:15,615
Speaker 13: Thank you?

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02:02:15,895 --> 02:02:16,575
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Seriously?

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02:02:18,295 --> 02:02:18,495
Speaker 18: Yes?

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02:02:18,655 --> 02:02:18,855
Speaker 14: True?

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02:02:19,095 --> 02:02:21,335
Speaker 20: Wow, finally dry yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Crikey? All right, you think I'll be doing hours on

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02:02:24,935 --> 02:02:26,455
Speaker 3: Thursday if you go there?

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Speaker 20: Oh hey, can't you be?

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Speaker 3: It's not next Sunday. Take care all the best, Bye bye,

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Speaker 3: Thank you folks for your company. Love the text mission.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually going to add up all of the answers

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Speaker 3: and try and get an actual answer, and the next

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Speaker 3: week we'll do more polse. Let's do it again next Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Have a great week to take care.

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Speaker 2: For More from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp.

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