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Speaker 1: Jamie mckaye, Host of the Countries with me now, Jamie, Hello,

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Speaker 1: good okay, So what's this fight against the banking wokery

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Speaker 1: that's going on? How's it continuing?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the best ideas are often borrowed ideas

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Speaker 2: from other people. I was reading a piece in the

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Speaker 2: Rural News, one of our leading rural publications in this country,

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Speaker 2: from their acervic sort of or even vitriolic cartoon character

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Speaker 2: the Hound. Now this was made up by the late

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Speaker 2: David Anderson, one of the leading rural journals in this country,

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Speaker 2: incidentally the brother of Miles Anderson, the national MP for

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Speaker 2: White Taki. But the Hound wrote in the Rural News,

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Speaker 2: and this is good and it follows on from a

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Speaker 2: chat I had earlier in the week with Mark Cameron.

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Speaker 2: The good fight against banking wokery continues with the draft

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Speaker 2: bell to scrap the red tape forcing banks and financial

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Speaker 2: institutions to make climate related disclosures. Then the Hound went

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Speaker 2: on to quote Mark Cameron, who's refreshingly down to earth,

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Speaker 2: the act MP from Northland. He said farmers are already

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Speaker 2: seeing discrimination creeping into interstrates based on perceived emissions. They

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Speaker 2: fair they'll be the next to be debanked, not because

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Speaker 2: of any financial risk, but because they don't fit the

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Speaker 2: agenda of the suit and ty Bigwicks. We've already seen

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Speaker 2: it happening to essential industries like mining and service stations.

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Speaker 2: So Mark Cameron leading the charge for Act, joining Winston

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Speaker 2: and Shane's war on wokery with the banks, and I

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Speaker 2: say all power to them.

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Speaker 1: You totally couldn't agree more. Now, what are these loopholes

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Speaker 1: around the carbon farming and the planting.

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Speaker 2: Well beef and lamb New Zealand have urged the government

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Speaker 2: to close some of these carbon farming loopholes. They came out,

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Speaker 2: Oh well that they came out or the government came

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Speaker 2: out on the fourth of December last year. But Chair

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Speaker 2: Kate Ackland is quite rightly saying when these limits were

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Speaker 2: announced the peg in the sand was put in the

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Speaker 2: ground on the fourth of December last year. The government

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Speaker 2: would ensure that unless there was a clear intent for

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Speaker 2: conversion before that date, you couldn't do it. But people

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Speaker 2: are driving truck and trailer units through these loopholes at

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Speaker 2: the moment. What the MPI should I say, came out

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Speaker 2: with guidance on what constitutes intent. But Kate Ackland, saying

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Speaker 2: these guidelines are deeply flawed. She says the two key

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Speaker 2: flaws in the guidance relate to accepting receipts for ordering

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Speaker 2: seedlings and accepting third party assessments of farmland for a forestation,

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Speaker 2: and there are ways you can get around those, and

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Speaker 2: she quite rightly says, Look, anyone can buy some seedlings.

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Speaker 2: It's not uncommon to purchase them and worry about where

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Speaker 2: they'll be planted later. In such cases, there is no

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Speaker 2: intent to enter any particular parcel of land into the ETS,

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Speaker 2: so people are still getting are still dodging this one.

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Speaker 2: Heather will come in to force the legislation in October

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Speaker 2: of this year, but some people, including Federated farmers, are saying,

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Speaker 2: why not do a pay equity rush it through the

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Speaker 2: house type legislation. They're not quite as keen on that

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Speaker 2: one as they are on the pay equity and.

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Speaker 1: Too right, Thank you very much, Jemmy look after yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's Jemmy MacKaye, host of the Country.

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