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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: He's steering the most iconic team and world rugby.

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Speaker 3: They are lats when.

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Speaker 2: Known for his chart rugby brain and his connection with players.

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Speaker 4: We'll find your tenty the heures the crew in a

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Speaker 4: great tour.

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Speaker 1: That also is unique leadership, bold selections and cutting shapes

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Speaker 1: on the field.

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Speaker 2: All Black's head coach Scott.

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Speaker 1: Razor Robertson not just talking tactics and test matches, but

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Speaker 1: taking your calls. On eight hundred eighty to eighty, It's

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason Vine on News Talk s ENV.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ida it is coming up. I pasted one. A

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Speaker 3: great pleasure to welcome into the studio All Blacks head

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Speaker 3: coach Scott Robertson. He's here for an hour to talk

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Speaker 3: about a wide range of topics and I'm sure looking

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Speaker 3: forward to answering your questions. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty. Get you to throw the phone. A rare

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Speaker 3: chance for you to speak directly with Razer if you

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Speaker 3: prefer to text your question nine two nine two. Great

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Speaker 3: to see you mate, How are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good afternoon, Piney. Thanks for having me in here.

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Speaker 4: It's awesome to be interrogated on a Sunday afternoon. It's

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Speaker 4: a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, mate. We do have call stacking up

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Speaker 3: and we will get to those. But I'm keen to

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Speaker 3: go back a year. It's exactly a year to the

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Speaker 3: day that you joined us at nz CIEs ahead of

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Speaker 3: your first All Blacks. Well it's the first All Blacks

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Speaker 3: test matches. How different do you feel going into year

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Speaker 3: two compared to how you felt a year ago as

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Speaker 3: a new All Blacks head coach.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Look interesting in it to think back in it's been

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Speaker 4: a year. It seems so quick, but also so long ago.

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Speaker 4: We're one hundred and twenty days better for it. I

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Speaker 4: understand how test weeks work, test matches work on and

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Speaker 4: off the field, the length of the season. All the

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Speaker 4: management or the coaching group are better for that. But

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Speaker 4: it's always different, it's always changing. You have to be

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Speaker 4: really innovative. You have to think on your feet still.

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Speaker 4: But the key these ten days that we're going to

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Speaker 4: have together set us up for this French series is

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Speaker 4: really critical. So how you start right now is critical.

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Speaker 3: Was there anything last year that was a particular lesson

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Speaker 3: thing or things you learned last year on field or

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Speaker 3: on field anything to do with the all black setup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah? On field, hell I knew, like every test matches

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Speaker 4: like a final. You know, the expectations you compete and win,

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Speaker 4: and the margins are so close and things can change

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Speaker 4: the injuries, like the ability to adapt on the field

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Speaker 4: to calls, yellow cards. Things are under the microscope more.

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Speaker 4: You know, tmos, little plays, tries, no tries. You know

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Speaker 4: there's substitutions. All these little critical things add up because

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Speaker 4: the margins are so small that the titus that's ever

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Speaker 4: seven teams. And how those decisions and how you set

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Speaker 4: critical moments is really critical important, sorry, And so the

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Speaker 4: work you do to get your set up so they

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Speaker 4: just the size of it. Yep, you're on the road.

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Speaker 4: You never playing the same play place twice Sunday, you're up,

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Speaker 4: Then you come in and you've got another test week.

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Speaker 4: So it's a new hotel, new coaching room, new management room,

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Speaker 4: but it's also it's quite relentless.

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Speaker 3: Just before we look specifically at what lies immediately in

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Speaker 3: In the framework of a four year World Cup cycle,

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Speaker 3: Right, going to take some calls in a moment. They're

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Speaker 3: stacking up a full board already. You're a This is

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Speaker 3: We'll get them the moment. But I just wanted to

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Speaker 4: I'd tell you you down to two or three four,

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Speaker 4: We done a lot of work on the guy's character,

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Speaker 4: But the non negotiables the character of the player, you know,

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Speaker 4: And so then you break it down and then some

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Speaker 4: how's it going to complement our team? Are they test ready?

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Speaker 4: And how can you do they need a week with

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Speaker 3: It's a thirteen past one. Scott raiser Robertson is in studio.

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Speaker 3: We invited calls. I'll get Marked to put these calls

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Speaker 3: to where as we need to do so. So Mark first,

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Speaker 3: first up as Mark, can you hear us there? Mark,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to try and get Mark on the air.

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Speaker 3: I might get you to do that for me, Mark Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Just while we're organizing that. A couple on text. There's

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Speaker 3: a great one that came through here with Damien McKenzie

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Speaker 3: but different styles. What specifically are you looking for in

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Speaker 3: Blacks to play? So wow, the Texas that's the text. Yah,

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Speaker 3: So those you're ten and why detailed?

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Speaker 4: Probably all of them in their own you know, and

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Speaker 4: what's in front of you. Obviously, we gave d Mech

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Speaker 4: the only way you really learn about yourself is at

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Speaker 4: that moment under the heat. And we did some a

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Speaker 4: great job in the same with Bowden techically aware still

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Speaker 4: at thirty three, play the good footy physically and great

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Speaker 4: next So we've got the balance of the two is perfect.

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Speaker 4: They both run the game slightly differently, both can come

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Speaker 4: so they compliment each other really well.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, all right, I think we can get these

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Speaker 3: air there? Okay, we're just still having a couple. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm clicking them, I am clicking him and he's not

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Speaker 3: you could call, and you talked about players making the

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Speaker 3: that actually we can't go back to Mark? Well, Mark,

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Speaker 4: That's just part of your your gut feeling, and you

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Speaker 4: see them through super seasons, super season and even coming

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Speaker 4: you obviously with the Chiefs Hurricanes game at the Caketon

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Speaker 4: last year, like he was phenomenal and we've been watching him,

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Speaker 3: All right, third time Lucky, I'm sure we can get

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Speaker 3: Mark this time.

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Speaker 2: Mark.

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Speaker 6: I'll kind of celibris to make it short. How are

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Speaker 6: you going to Scott? Have you thought have you planned

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Speaker 6: to hear about the next World cupital.

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Speaker 7: With the French?

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Speaker 6: How are you going to count with them?

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Speaker 4: It's a big question, but you know, yeah, we always

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Speaker 4: World Cups as a natural cycle, especially for contracting as

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Speaker 4: well and for players. They look at World Cups when

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Speaker 4: she's enough. We've got a couple of years after the

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Speaker 4: Lions tour, which is unique for the people's career, especially

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Speaker 4: to play a couple of them. But you work back

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Speaker 4: like I said before about getting four deep, you know,

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Speaker 4: and changes really quickly the laws making our games fast, faster,

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Speaker 4: we have a twenty three that carry out that game plan.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, we've got the skills in the players to

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Speaker 3: Thank you very call Stuart a lot on text asking

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Speaker 4: Both genuine options, both her experienced as well. Ethan was

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Speaker 3: He all right, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 1: Good old Black's head coach Scott Robinson taking your calls

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Speaker 3: One twenty three. Just before we go back to the lines,

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Speaker 3: very quick selection question. How close was chiefs Lucy Simon

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Speaker 4: He here's a lot of interest in them. Looky, he's

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Speaker 4: a big body, six foot five and one hundred and

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go back to the lines. Deane, your

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Speaker 9: you could make a cup of tea before they kick it.

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Speaker 9: Why don't people, why don't players get back behind the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the beautiful parts of your job,

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Speaker 4: But one thing is contestable kicking at the skill set

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Speaker 4: it's likely twenty seven meters depending on how high they

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Speaker 4: then with no escorting. Now you can start getting tap becks.

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Speaker 4: It's a little bit more afl like, but that's a

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Speaker 4: really it's an important part of the game because you

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Speaker 4: that little structure we put a lot of work into.

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Speaker 4: We didn't quite get a couple of right last year

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Scott, thanks for taking the time. A couple of

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Speaker 10: things I'm interested in So love seeing Dukes and Jimmy

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Speaker 10: Tabanaway in there. And I'm not only part of.

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Speaker 10: Their ability, you know, test level turnovers are at a premium,

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Speaker 10: how big a fact that that wasn't picking those guys.

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Speaker 10: They've had good seasons. And number two, you see the Africans,

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Speaker 10: these guns like Cheslin and whatnot and Orenzo. But those

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Speaker 11: Feel like you diffuse their kick chase.

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Speaker 4: They used to tackling six six feet jeans above the knee,

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Speaker 3: Well was he close, Leroy Carter?

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Speaker 3: A part of Harma. Thank you for your call. Let's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, final you raiser Richie mcwaania. Do you see

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Speaker 4: Uh? Like I see Richie. It's a valuable part of

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Speaker 4: You know, he's got a beautiful balance between ten and fifteen.

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Speaker 4: And when the hurricanes put him in there, we're you know,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your question, Mark, Let's keep going. It's almost

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Speaker 3: hung up on you there, Phil, Phil your question for Raiser, Oh.

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Speaker 12: Don't do that money? Yeah, good guys, and who we are?

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Speaker 4: Oh go ahead now we're good Phil. Thanks you, it's

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Speaker 12: Oh just for ask my question, Raiser. I met I

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Speaker 13: Of years ago.

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Speaker 12: Years ago. I bought a golf club off your old man.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be a very cover of the fire service.

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Speaker 4: It was one of the two.

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Speaker 12: He said, hey, I have half a dozen of these

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Speaker 12: I look at this photo. Do you know this guy?

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Speaker 11: He's my boy.

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Speaker 12: My question is that I don't know if it's appropriate

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Speaker 12: But he performs week in and week out to such

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Speaker 12: It just that he's in a big bull fighting against

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Speaker 4: I think you sort of answered it yourself. For one

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Speaker 4: We know how great the viewers, the balls. He must say,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your call, Phil, appreciate it very much. Do

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Speaker 3: players that you've selected.

432
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did last year to an extent. I think

433
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Speaker 4: a lot of our games will stopped looking because just

434
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Speaker 4: the discipline and we didn't quite as you know, it's

435
00:21:54,667 --> 00:21:57,227
Speaker 4: pro well documented that second half stuff we'd get well,

436
00:21:57,267 --> 00:21:58,907
Speaker 4: we lead every team at halftime, so there was some

437
00:21:59,787 --> 00:22:01,667
Speaker 4: you know, you can get caught on things and my

438
00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:03,867
Speaker 4: job is to keep the course. And you know we

439
00:22:03,907 --> 00:22:06,347
Speaker 4: want to play fast because we've got the skill set

440
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Speaker 4: to do that. We've got the game where it's trending

441
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Speaker 4: with the stoppages and play and quick ball and quick

442
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Speaker 4: line out, et cetera, and the athletes to do it

443
00:22:14,947 --> 00:22:19,667
Speaker 4: so ball and play lots of short passes and doing

444
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Speaker 4: it fast and you know where as we mentioned, a

445
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Speaker 4: year better for it.

446
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Speaker 3: And Jeordie's back and how do you think he is

447
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Speaker 3: looking and the experience of playing at Leinster? What do

448
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Speaker 3: you what can we expect to see from Jordi and

449
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five in a black jersey.

450
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Speaker 5: Well, he's got a nice little tan on at the

451
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Speaker 5: moment the hemisphere ten he's come back with a glow

452
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Speaker 5: up from my island and he's but he's good, like

453
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Speaker 5: he's a coach, you know, he's a player.

454
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Speaker 4: Coach, you know, like he just knows the game so

455
00:22:48,387 --> 00:22:50,467
Speaker 4: well and you see that game. I watch this game

456
00:22:50,587 --> 00:22:54,347
Speaker 4: and it's like golf for him. He's a real fan.

457
00:22:54,867 --> 00:22:56,347
Speaker 4: He's a fan of rugby, is a fan of golf.

458
00:22:56,347 --> 00:22:58,587
Speaker 4: He knows anything about everyone else is talking about AFL

459
00:22:58,627 --> 00:23:00,387
Speaker 4: like he knew every team and every player else. So

460
00:23:00,867 --> 00:23:02,547
Speaker 4: he's a deep thinker. But when you get him on

461
00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:04,747
Speaker 4: the field or you know, what he shares to you

462
00:23:04,827 --> 00:23:08,587
Speaker 4: and what bit of gold, how we just discusses and talks,

463
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Speaker 4: he's another part of your coaching group, and we know

464
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Speaker 4: how valuable was it for him mentally, and he's in

465
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Speaker 4: great physical neck coming back from good to hear.

466
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Speaker 3: Let's get back to the lines and get some more

467
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Speaker 3: questions coming your way. Mark, you're up. What's your question

468
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Speaker 3: for Raser?

469
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Speaker 4: How are you?

470
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Speaker 8: I am?

471
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Speaker 14: I really enjoyed the team.

472
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Speaker 7: The other day?

473
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Speaker 14: You know, good squad. You've got but one thing.

474
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Speaker 9: I didn't see my name.

475
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Speaker 6: And for the water boys, you know I do pick

476
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Speaker 6: the water bottles.

477
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Speaker 14: But not for the obacks.

478
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Speaker 9: When am I going to get the call up?

479
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Speaker 4: We've got a fitting process that we're to go through.

480
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Speaker 4: We're currently doing it at the moment, So we'll come

481
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Speaker 4: back to your things.

482
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Speaker 3: Match, you keep your head and the ring there. Mark,

483
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Speaker 3: keep going at a local level, and who knows you

484
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Speaker 3: might get the call. We've got your number. We've got

485
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Speaker 3: your number. Clive, your question for Raser?

486
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Speaker 6: Here?

487
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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, guys. Listen. The frustration is the red cards situation. Now.

488
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Speaker 7: I've seen red cards for very similar events with very

489
00:24:08,427 --> 00:24:12,707
Speaker 7: different results. One where it's considered accidental and one where

490
00:24:12,827 --> 00:24:15,507
Speaker 7: you get a red card. Sam Kine in the World

491
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Speaker 7: Cup the last World Cup would be an example of that.

492
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Speaker 7: I've seen one recently and Super Rugby where it was

493
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Speaker 7: a ricochet, so the guy that ricocheted into the ball

494
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Speaker 7: holder had had no hope of avoiding it a red card.

495
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Speaker 7: But I'm curious what do you guys get by way

496
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Speaker 7: of feedback from either the judiciary or the refereeing whoever

497
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Speaker 7: looks after that that, because it must be frustrating for

498
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Speaker 7: you as the coach.

499
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Speaker 4: Scott, Yeah, it can be the first thing. I'll just

500
00:24:47,787 --> 00:24:52,067
Speaker 4: like to to say, Clivers, we focus on what we

501
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Speaker 4: can control and it's our technique, so how can we

502
00:24:55,227 --> 00:24:58,387
Speaker 4: be technically ready? So we were not in a position

503
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Speaker 4: where you were going to a TMO. But if we

504
00:25:01,027 --> 00:25:04,387
Speaker 4: do so, you practice as best you possibly can to

505
00:25:04,427 --> 00:25:08,587
Speaker 4: be safe and like I said, around their self control.

506
00:25:08,707 --> 00:25:11,747
Speaker 4: So everyone's got different ways in different styles, but we've

507
00:25:11,747 --> 00:25:14,307
Speaker 4: got to show that to the ref can consistently now

508
00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:18,587
Speaker 4: with the yellow card that's on report that slowly always evolves,

509
00:25:18,747 --> 00:25:21,747
Speaker 4: so they're trying to speed the process up as much

510
00:25:21,787 --> 00:25:24,307
Speaker 4: as they can, but also protect players. Now that's the

511
00:25:24,347 --> 00:25:26,547
Speaker 4: balance of the two. They've got to get the health

512
00:25:27,107 --> 00:25:30,227
Speaker 4: of the players right and the laws of the game right,

513
00:25:30,307 --> 00:25:33,147
Speaker 4: but also the speed. And you could see that it's

514
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Speaker 4: evolved probably from Sam Kaine's example. You know that would

515
00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:40,227
Speaker 4: have been on you know, was a read and the

516
00:25:40,307 --> 00:25:41,867
Speaker 4: end that was probably going to be on report and

517
00:25:42,227 --> 00:25:44,107
Speaker 4: in today in Asia would have just been a twenty

518
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Speaker 4: minute And I think that's where they've got two over

519
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Speaker 4: the years, and we're in a good place at the moment.

520
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Speaker 4: It feels like it's changing all the time, because it

521
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Speaker 4: probably is, but they are evolving it so it can

522
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Speaker 4: be like I said, fast clean, everyone understanding, everyone's healthy.

523
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Speaker 3: Good on your Live. Thanks for bringing up a pertinent issue.

524
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Speaker 3: We carry on, Jason, you're up next. What's your question

525
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Speaker 3: for Raiser?

526
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Speaker 6: Oh, go Chips, Yeah, question for Rasa. I was just

527
00:26:07,147 --> 00:26:11,227
Speaker 6: curious about player psychology. Actually, I recall back in the

528
00:26:11,707 --> 00:26:14,627
Speaker 6: back in the day, so the Richard McCort era was

529
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Speaker 6: always a huge edge that the All Blacks had. I

530
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Speaker 6: remember that that psychology component being quite key. And with these,

531
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Speaker 6: as you were saying right as earlier, the seven teams,

532
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Speaker 6: the top seven not much between them anymore. I'm just

533
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Speaker 6: wondering how that's innovated, especially under your under your current leadership.

534
00:26:34,627 --> 00:26:38,467
Speaker 6: And yeah, if that's still such a focus, yeah, oh for.

535
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Speaker 4: Sure, that's a massive part of the game understanding yourself.

536
00:26:42,747 --> 00:26:48,747
Speaker 4: We've got Doctr kre Evans, who's yeah, clinical psychologists in

537
00:26:48,787 --> 00:26:52,427
Speaker 4: the forensics criatus. Oh, he's got a lot of leaders

538
00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:57,027
Speaker 4: after his name anyway, a lot of study and he's

539
00:26:57,027 --> 00:26:59,947
Speaker 4: been around and played one hundred games for the All

540
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Speaker 4: Whites and football and been around the All Backs for

541
00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:03,187
Speaker 4: a long period of time. And he does a lot

542
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Speaker 4: of work individually and then the team as well. So

543
00:27:05,587 --> 00:27:07,307
Speaker 4: a lot of your mental stuffs tying back into your

544
00:27:07,347 --> 00:27:10,227
Speaker 4: identity and who we are. But then also what do

545
00:27:10,347 --> 00:27:14,987
Speaker 4: you need you know? Do you become extremely frustrated quickly

546
00:27:15,107 --> 00:27:18,067
Speaker 4: or do you become too passive? Do you like where

547
00:27:18,067 --> 00:27:22,067
Speaker 4: do you sit individually? So if you make an era

548
00:27:22,147 --> 00:27:24,067
Speaker 4: or if you don't make an era, or how can

549
00:27:24,107 --> 00:27:25,827
Speaker 4: you be right on the spot where you need to

550
00:27:25,867 --> 00:27:29,387
Speaker 4: be for each game and each moment? How can your

551
00:27:29,427 --> 00:27:31,507
Speaker 4: distractions the skill set and the tools that you can

552
00:27:31,507 --> 00:27:33,587
Speaker 4: get back to being present in the moment. So we

553
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Speaker 4: do a lot of work on it. It's a big

554
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Speaker 4: part of all sport and in mental health in general.

555
00:27:40,827 --> 00:27:43,067
Speaker 4: A lot of care goes during the in the weekendo.

556
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Speaker 3: It Thanks for your call, Jason, It's just on twenty

557
00:27:45,867 --> 00:27:47,587
Speaker 3: three away from two. We'll take a quick break, come

558
00:27:47,587 --> 00:27:49,507
Speaker 3: back with more of your calls. Scott Raiser Robinson with

559
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Speaker 3: us until two o'clock here on News Talks, edb.

560
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Speaker 2: New Zealand's most scrutinized position. Well, I just say to you,

561
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Speaker 2: I think.

562
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563
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564
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Speaker 1: Jason Pine and GJ Gunno, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

565
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566
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Speaker 3: That'd be it's the most scrutinized. More questions to come.

567
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Speaker 3: I just want to ask you about Club Rugby because

568
00:28:13,387 --> 00:28:16,427
Speaker 3: your name just squad at the Coastal Rugby Club. Many

569
00:28:16,467 --> 00:28:18,547
Speaker 3: of your players spent time at Club Rugby yesterday. I've

570
00:28:18,547 --> 00:28:20,827
Speaker 3: seen some wonderful footage on the All Black Socials about that.

571
00:28:20,987 --> 00:28:24,027
Speaker 3: How important is club rugby to you as far as

572
00:28:24,027 --> 00:28:26,467
Speaker 3: the New Zealand rugby ecosystem is concerned.

573
00:28:26,747 --> 00:28:29,267
Speaker 4: Oh, it's critical pathway, isn't it? From schools to club

574
00:28:29,307 --> 00:28:32,307
Speaker 4: and clubs another home for everyone. You know where you

575
00:28:32,387 --> 00:28:37,027
Speaker 4: belong and you have so many memories and generational moments

576
00:28:37,067 --> 00:28:39,867
Speaker 4: that that you want to connect with, you know, and

577
00:28:39,987 --> 00:28:41,707
Speaker 4: going out there was a big, big part of it

578
00:28:43,027 --> 00:28:45,507
Speaker 4: at the beach on yesterday was beautiful to the Heather family.

579
00:28:47,027 --> 00:28:49,947
Speaker 4: You know, with Corey last year, what happened was pretty

580
00:28:49,987 --> 00:28:52,107
Speaker 4: tough on all the rugby community and just to go

581
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Speaker 4: and connect with them and just shown appreciation that. You know,

582
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Speaker 4: there were so many all back jersies running around and

583
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Speaker 4: they were just you're just so proud that we could

584
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Speaker 4: go out there and we're pleased we could as well.

585
00:29:01,467 --> 00:29:02,787
Speaker 4: It was amazing. Good on you.

586
00:29:02,867 --> 00:29:04,307
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the lines, John, you got a

587
00:29:04,347 --> 00:29:06,747
Speaker 3: question for Raiser, Yeah.

588
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Speaker 15: Rasa, I'll ask you about selecting Anton Lennard Brown when

589
00:29:11,867 --> 00:29:15,187
Speaker 15: he hasn't played and I don't know when he's going

590
00:29:15,227 --> 00:29:17,547
Speaker 15: to be ready to play again when you've got guys

591
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Speaker 15: like Brandon Eno, who I thought hit a particularly good

592
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Speaker 15: season at the center.

593
00:29:23,907 --> 00:29:28,747
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did look will be available after a couple

594
00:29:28,787 --> 00:29:31,427
Speaker 4: of tests. It's good hunt for him to come and train,

595
00:29:31,507 --> 00:29:34,467
Speaker 4: obviously because he can play in those Fist Cup of tests.

596
00:29:34,507 --> 00:29:35,747
Speaker 4: We brought the money and there's a wing, so that

597
00:29:35,827 --> 00:29:38,347
Speaker 4: sort of bounced out that they're back three for us.

598
00:29:38,347 --> 00:29:42,267
Speaker 4: But he's extremely experienced. He's been for because he's been

599
00:29:42,267 --> 00:29:43,867
Speaker 4: in the game for so long and he can play

600
00:29:43,867 --> 00:29:46,187
Speaker 4: a couple of positions, even three positions. He's l available

601
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Speaker 4: to us, so that was a decision we made there.

602
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Speaker 3: Good on your Thanks John for your call. Josh, you

603
00:29:50,707 --> 00:29:51,987
Speaker 3: got a question for Razor?

604
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Hirasa tab Nawai. Did you pick him as a

605
00:29:59,587 --> 00:30:07,187
Speaker 14: as a second fiber or at least forward? I'm thinking he's.

606
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Speaker 4: A bit of a hybrid, isn't he check them on

607
00:30:06,867 --> 00:30:09,427
Speaker 4: the side of this gum. Look, he's in anticipation to

608
00:30:09,427 --> 00:30:11,587
Speaker 4: get on the balls. Pretty incredible. He's got the mindset

609
00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:13,987
Speaker 4: and he's got those little pumpers that he just gets

610
00:30:13,987 --> 00:30:15,667
Speaker 4: over the ball like at Land Crab and he just

611
00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:19,867
Speaker 4: locks in and he can turn that ball over. He's Yeah,

612
00:30:19,907 --> 00:30:23,027
Speaker 4: he's differently a powerful player. Good at the breakdown.

613
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Speaker 3: We'll keep going. James out of the Lovely Hawks, Bay,

614
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Speaker 3: what's your question for Raser?

615
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Speaker 11: Thanks finally, Raiser, just I feel like I'm speaking on

616
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Speaker 11: behalf of a lot of the easy on rugby public here,

617
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Speaker 11: But what I want to know is why do the

618
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Speaker 11: selectors persist on playing Rico Yuanni at center? My mind,

619
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Speaker 11: he was a brilliant winger.

620
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Speaker 6: For the All Blacks.

621
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Speaker 11: He's scored a lot of tries and I just don't

622
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Speaker 11: feel that we've seen him be the player he was

623
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Speaker 11: as center, and I don't know what I just I'm

624
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Speaker 11: baffled as to why the selectors persist with him in

625
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Speaker 11: that position.

626
00:31:00,787 --> 00:31:02,947
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, a lot of the games he finished on

627
00:31:02,987 --> 00:31:05,467
Speaker 4: the wing last year when we were mindful of the

628
00:31:05,507 --> 00:31:09,187
Speaker 4: combinations who started. We had lost seven hundred Test caps

629
00:31:09,267 --> 00:31:11,627
Speaker 4: last year and there's a lot of experience, so that

630
00:31:11,707 --> 00:31:13,747
Speaker 4: was part of part of the reason we paid them

631
00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:16,947
Speaker 4: there and then eased them back into the back end

632
00:31:16,987 --> 00:31:19,307
Speaker 4: on the wing and post all the super rugby it's

633
00:31:19,307 --> 00:31:21,107
Speaker 4: sent to as well, and then that's how we started.

634
00:31:21,107 --> 00:31:23,787
Speaker 4: But in the year he did pay wing and like

635
00:31:23,827 --> 00:31:26,947
Speaker 4: I said, to play a couple of positions really critical

636
00:31:27,627 --> 00:31:31,147
Speaker 4: and he can definitely get on the wing and finish tries.

637
00:31:31,387 --> 00:31:35,267
Speaker 3: Just on the center position. With my Hurricanes fan hat

638
00:31:35,307 --> 00:31:38,267
Speaker 3: on Billy Proctor, is he pushing hard for that thirteen

639
00:31:38,347 --> 00:31:39,067
Speaker 3: jersey this year?

640
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Speaker 4: He's playing good, he's playing great footy, He's got his

641
00:31:42,987 --> 00:31:48,707
Speaker 4: body and great nick. He's matured young dad and he's

642
00:31:48,707 --> 00:31:51,947
Speaker 4: really consistent, so he's definitely got an opportunity.

643
00:31:52,027 --> 00:31:53,747
Speaker 3: Good to hear sp be lying there. Oh, eight hundred

644
00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:55,227
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty with you and to seek John.

645
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Speaker 3: The other thing I just that occurred to me at

646
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Speaker 3: the back end of Super Rugby was there seemed to

647
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Speaker 3: be some real passion, some real feeling between opposition sides.

648
00:32:04,147 --> 00:32:07,067
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it boiled over into dislike or hatred

649
00:32:07,187 --> 00:32:10,907
Speaker 3: or anything like that, but these guys were clearly determined

650
00:32:10,947 --> 00:32:13,067
Speaker 3: to beat one another. When they come together in the

651
00:32:13,107 --> 00:32:15,467
Speaker 3: all Blacks camp, Is that something you have to manage?

652
00:32:17,107 --> 00:32:19,387
Speaker 4: Nah, they go and hug each other and kissing cattle.

653
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Speaker 4: I think it's more a sign of the competitiveness, what

654
00:32:24,747 --> 00:32:26,507
Speaker 4: they care about, where they belong, when they come from.

655
00:32:26,547 --> 00:32:28,467
Speaker 4: But you know, the black jersey unite you. The team

656
00:32:28,507 --> 00:32:31,467
Speaker 4: Black comes in and then that competition is done. Now

657
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Speaker 4: on representing my country. So you need that, you need

658
00:32:34,187 --> 00:32:39,347
Speaker 4: the rivalry, you need all those things to come together.

659
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Speaker 4: So you know, you've got heroes and villains. You know,

660
00:32:42,347 --> 00:32:46,307
Speaker 4: got storylines and that makes it. The people love the

661
00:32:46,307 --> 00:32:49,027
Speaker 4: theater of it. But when it's it's done and you

662
00:32:49,107 --> 00:32:49,427
Speaker 4: move on.

663
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Speaker 3: Are you're okay with your players having personalities, displaying their

664
00:32:53,107 --> 00:32:59,947
Speaker 3: personally and you always were an exuberant personality yourself. Because rugby,

665
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Speaker 3: like any sport, needs narratives, doesn't it. You're happy for

666
00:33:03,227 --> 00:33:05,387
Speaker 3: guys like Reco are you Artie to get on social

667
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Speaker 3: media and stir things up a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Look, Rique, Look he's actually he's a good man. He

669
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Speaker 4: plays that game a little bit. You You probably one

670
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Speaker 4: joker in your team, aren't you. You know, and he's

671
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Speaker 4: that guy entice his people. But you know, look that

672
00:33:22,787 --> 00:33:26,267
Speaker 4: the other side to him is an incredible professional. He's

673
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Speaker 4: deeply about who he's playing for, works really, really hard,

674
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Speaker 4: and he's played a hell a lot of rugby in

675
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Speaker 4: the last ninety ten years. And you know when he

676
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Speaker 4: rang and said, look, I would like to go to Dublin,

677
00:33:38,427 --> 00:33:42,867
Speaker 4: and fellow Georgia was like, you repeat that, man, that's awesome.

678
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Speaker 4: You know, you know he'll be a better player for that,

679
00:33:44,867 --> 00:33:47,427
Speaker 4: and the opportunity created for himself for being so consistent

680
00:33:47,427 --> 00:33:49,587
Speaker 4: to get away will be No. I'm great to stick

681
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Speaker 4: for him.

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Speaker 3: Back to the lines we go, Hi, John, you're your

683
00:33:52,387 --> 00:33:53,107
Speaker 3: question for Razor?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the Razor?

685
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Speaker 6: Did you did you watch them?

686
00:33:57,347 --> 00:33:58,467
Speaker 8: Mary or Breaks?

687
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

688
00:33:59,107 --> 00:34:01,747
Speaker 4: How good? How talented? Are they? So good to see.

689
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Speaker 8: And what a very little first live.

690
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Speaker 4: Rivers Rahana.

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Speaker 3: Listeners from.

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Speaker 4: I used to play with his dead and Bruce. He

693
00:34:18,707 --> 00:34:22,387
Speaker 4: was a hell of a player himself. You can see

694
00:34:22,387 --> 00:34:25,187
Speaker 4: all the traits in the character has come through. He's

695
00:34:25,187 --> 00:34:26,107
Speaker 4: coming up ag and nicely.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. John, Thanks, indeed, we'll get a couple more

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Speaker 3: in George, Hi, mate, wats your question for Raiser.

698
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Speaker 13: And hey, thanks plenty for giving us so much public

699
00:34:34,947 --> 00:34:38,227
Speaker 13: access to Razor. It's awesome, Hey, Rasor christ for you.

700
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Speaker 13: As a follow up to that Bully Proctor comment before

701
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Speaker 13: Rico was obviously preferred last year, it seems so what

702
00:34:45,547 --> 00:34:48,227
Speaker 13: what was he offering more last year than then? What

703
00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:51,587
Speaker 13: Billy wasn't in with the with a lot of talk

704
00:34:51,667 --> 00:34:53,827
Speaker 13: Scott Hanson the net at the selection about wanting to

705
00:34:53,867 --> 00:34:55,947
Speaker 13: go a lot wider this year and get into the

706
00:34:55,987 --> 00:34:59,267
Speaker 13: space that suits Billy came for just the comment of

707
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Speaker 13: Belie versus on the third a jumper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is probably the big thing with Ricky, just

709
00:35:06,667 --> 00:35:10,267
Speaker 4: as his experience. And I suppose you have to pay

710
00:35:10,347 --> 00:35:12,267
Speaker 4: pass to get experience and that's the balance that you

711
00:35:12,347 --> 00:35:14,107
Speaker 4: do and you win the Test. You're trying to win

712
00:35:14,147 --> 00:35:15,747
Speaker 4: the Test match in front of you, so to get

713
00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:18,347
Speaker 4: the balance of it. But the great thing is Billy's

714
00:35:18,347 --> 00:35:21,267
Speaker 4: paid buddy well this year and he's kept the pressure

715
00:35:21,267 --> 00:35:23,827
Speaker 4: on us, you know, and we'll get the best out

716
00:35:23,827 --> 00:35:25,467
Speaker 4: of both of them. And I think, you know, pick

717
00:35:25,547 --> 00:35:28,227
Speaker 4: them for in the right positions we feel it is

718
00:35:28,267 --> 00:35:29,427
Speaker 4: to win for our country.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, George. Just on Super Rugby. No enforced

720
00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:35,467
Speaker 3: rest this year. Didn't say guys need to only play

721
00:35:35,507 --> 00:35:37,707
Speaker 3: six matches in a row and then and then not

722
00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:42,187
Speaker 3: play again. Rico started every game for the Blues Quartie summer,

723
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Speaker 3: Penny Finale played every game for the Chiefs Dupes and

724
00:35:44,987 --> 00:35:47,827
Speaker 3: cam roy Gard every game for the Hurricanes. Any concerns

725
00:35:47,867 --> 00:35:50,227
Speaker 3: about their loading as you go into the Test season.

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Speaker 4: One thing I did when we first come and I

727
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Speaker 4: want to try and change the narrative around it, Like

728
00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:01,387
Speaker 4: you know, it's all about rest. That's sort of gone,

729
00:36:01,387 --> 00:36:03,467
Speaker 4: hasn't it in the last couple of years. I wanted

730
00:36:03,507 --> 00:36:07,387
Speaker 4: to individualize it because you you want to get the

731
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Speaker 4: best out of players. Some players have been injured the

732
00:36:09,107 --> 00:36:10,907
Speaker 4: year before and they had to have five games in

733
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Speaker 4: the rest, but some games some players just need six, seven,

734
00:36:14,707 --> 00:36:17,307
Speaker 4: eight games. So those guys were managed in the back,

735
00:36:17,667 --> 00:36:20,307
Speaker 4: in the background. They still played where they needed to,

736
00:36:21,027 --> 00:36:23,267
Speaker 4: but they were they were managing the background of off

737
00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:26,027
Speaker 4: the field with their training still to get the best

738
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Speaker 4: out of them, so more individualized to get the best

739
00:36:29,267 --> 00:36:31,307
Speaker 4: out of them. So you learned by playing, you get

740
00:36:31,307 --> 00:36:36,747
Speaker 4: better by playing. And everyone was different. Some players had

741
00:36:36,827 --> 00:36:39,467
Speaker 4: less some but it wasn't made public so we didn't

742
00:36:39,467 --> 00:36:41,547
Speaker 4: have an article. And even goes of All Backs aren't watching,

743
00:36:41,547 --> 00:36:44,347
Speaker 4: so I'm not watching. Start playing, so I'm not watching.

744
00:36:44,627 --> 00:36:47,587
Speaker 4: Excuse me? So yeah, the narratives changed a little bit

745
00:36:47,587 --> 00:36:48,547
Speaker 4: and it's working here.

746
00:36:48,387 --> 00:36:50,707
Speaker 3: Good stuff. Just on eleven away from two, one more

747
00:36:50,747 --> 00:36:52,467
Speaker 3: break and then back with our final few minutes with

748
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Speaker 3: All Blacks coach Scott Robertson here on News Talks.

749
00:36:54,387 --> 00:36:54,667
Speaker 4: He'd be.

750
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Speaker 1: For your question to the coach All Blacks coach Scott

751
00:36:59,427 --> 00:37:03,707
Speaker 1: Robertson taking your calls on eight hundred eighty Weekends Sport

752
00:37:03,827 --> 00:37:07,947
Speaker 1: with Jason Lyne and GJ Gunno, New Zealand's most trusted

753
00:37:07,987 --> 00:37:09,187
Speaker 1: home builder News Dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be seven and a half away from two. Man

755
00:37:11,107 --> 00:37:14,227
Speaker 3: the hour has flown by. So we're getting ready for

756
00:37:14,587 --> 00:37:18,027
Speaker 3: a test series against France. Do you know you're starting

757
00:37:18,067 --> 00:37:23,107
Speaker 3: fifteen before the squad assembles? Are the first test on me?

758
00:37:23,627 --> 00:37:27,387
Speaker 4: Yep? Yeah? Well yes or no? You're sort of eighty

759
00:37:27,387 --> 00:37:30,787
Speaker 4: percent there. Obviously, there's some medicals and scans to have

760
00:37:30,827 --> 00:37:33,707
Speaker 4: after finals and you and you sort of try and

761
00:37:33,747 --> 00:37:36,347
Speaker 4: work out the whole test series. Get a field who

762
00:37:36,387 --> 00:37:38,467
Speaker 4: can play so we can play all of the players.

763
00:37:38,507 --> 00:37:42,867
Speaker 4: Ideally that that's the intention. Doesn't sometimes always work that way.

764
00:37:42,987 --> 00:37:45,707
Speaker 4: And then you know you have your first twenty three

765
00:37:45,747 --> 00:37:47,027
Speaker 4: and what is it going to work off off the

766
00:37:47,067 --> 00:37:50,227
Speaker 4: back of that, So then you can start getting commodations, training,

767
00:37:50,227 --> 00:37:50,587
Speaker 4: et cetera.

768
00:37:50,787 --> 00:37:53,707
Speaker 3: You mentioned before, and it's well documented every test you

769
00:37:53,747 --> 00:37:56,187
Speaker 3: lost last year you let it half time. So is

770
00:37:56,227 --> 00:37:59,307
Speaker 3: that finishing the last twenty minutes or whatever it might

771
00:37:59,347 --> 00:38:00,907
Speaker 3: be that has it been a real focus ahead of

772
00:38:00,947 --> 00:38:01,667
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five?

773
00:38:02,307 --> 00:38:04,547
Speaker 4: Yep? Yeah. You stage it into your trainings and you

774
00:38:04,587 --> 00:38:06,187
Speaker 4: make people aware of it and what does it look like,

775
00:38:06,427 --> 00:38:08,947
Speaker 4: and you know, how do we react to it? And

776
00:38:09,547 --> 00:38:13,667
Speaker 4: so you start training those daily habits part of it,

777
00:38:13,707 --> 00:38:15,587
Speaker 4: and just more important in your mindset, you know, we'll

778
00:38:15,587 --> 00:38:18,227
Speaker 4: probably stop playing a little bit. Sometimes sometimes you've overplayed,

779
00:38:18,227 --> 00:38:20,387
Speaker 4: sometimes the discipline wasn't great. So it's not just one thing,

780
00:38:21,187 --> 00:38:23,387
Speaker 4: but the awareness of it, and then you put it

781
00:38:23,387 --> 00:38:25,147
Speaker 4: into training as much as you can and all the

782
00:38:25,187 --> 00:38:26,307
Speaker 4: mental skill stuff as well.

783
00:38:27,267 --> 00:38:29,387
Speaker 3: I mean you must sit there in the first half

784
00:38:29,387 --> 00:38:32,107
Speaker 3: of the year watching Super Rugby, watching the eighteen rounds

785
00:38:32,107 --> 00:38:33,627
Speaker 3: of it and then the finals and think, man, can

786
00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:36,627
Speaker 3: I just get my hands on these guys? And now

787
00:38:36,867 --> 00:38:38,987
Speaker 3: you have got them. We're less than a week out

788
00:38:39,027 --> 00:38:41,227
Speaker 3: from the first Test. How are your emotions? How excited

789
00:38:41,227 --> 00:38:42,667
Speaker 3: are you to get the Test season started?

790
00:38:42,747 --> 00:38:44,387
Speaker 4: Yeah? Look, my job is to takes away as many

791
00:38:44,387 --> 00:38:46,707
Speaker 4: distractions as possible, so we're really clear and free in

792
00:38:46,787 --> 00:38:49,987
Speaker 4: mind so we can play. We've got incredibly talented group

793
00:38:50,707 --> 00:38:52,907
Speaker 4: that care deeply about it. So how do you set

794
00:38:52,947 --> 00:38:54,307
Speaker 4: them up in the game? How do you send them

795
00:38:54,307 --> 00:38:57,347
Speaker 4: off the field so when they come under the roof

796
00:38:57,747 --> 00:39:01,787
Speaker 4: we can play fast and showcase that and deal with

797
00:39:01,827 --> 00:39:03,947
Speaker 4: any adversity that comes along. So are you excited? You

798
00:39:03,947 --> 00:39:06,227
Speaker 4: have all the plans in place, but you still got

799
00:39:06,227 --> 00:39:08,467
Speaker 4: to depth and a just as you go along. Test

800
00:39:08,467 --> 00:39:10,547
Speaker 4: theories are different. You know, you don't often get to

801
00:39:10,547 --> 00:39:13,787
Speaker 4: pay three the same team three times in a row,

802
00:39:13,827 --> 00:39:16,987
Speaker 4: so their own narratives. You know Test series, you know

803
00:39:17,027 --> 00:39:18,787
Speaker 4: the French teams, what it is that they'll be French.

804
00:39:18,787 --> 00:39:20,067
Speaker 4: You will just play who's in front of us? With

805
00:39:21,027 --> 00:39:22,867
Speaker 4: majority of the focuses on us. We know how they're

806
00:39:22,907 --> 00:39:27,587
Speaker 4: going to play from the last few years, you know,

807
00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:28,947
Speaker 4: and they'll bring the fair.

808
00:39:29,187 --> 00:39:33,227
Speaker 3: And it's your intent to give everybody a game that's year.

809
00:39:33,227 --> 00:39:36,467
Speaker 4: As I mentioned before that that's the intent to give

810
00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:38,587
Speaker 4: you guys as many as an opportunity to pay in

811
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Speaker 4: these three test series here.

812
00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:44,467
Speaker 3: All right, So finally before we go, as I said before,

813
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:47,587
Speaker 3: it's amazing that you make yourself available to come in

814
00:39:47,627 --> 00:39:50,107
Speaker 3: and take calls and interact with the fans, and no

815
00:39:50,147 --> 00:39:52,187
Speaker 3: doubt you get plenty of that when you're just out

816
00:39:52,187 --> 00:39:55,107
Speaker 3: in about getting your cold or at at an airport

817
00:39:55,187 --> 00:39:58,587
Speaker 3: or whatever you might be. It feels to me anyway

818
00:39:58,627 --> 00:40:01,787
Speaker 3: as though you do embrace that. Though you do, and

819
00:40:02,187 --> 00:40:06,947
Speaker 3: I presume that filters down you are keen for everybody

820
00:40:07,107 --> 00:40:08,987
Speaker 3: that's you know, to be involved in the All Blacks

821
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Speaker 3: and what you're about.

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00:40:10,667 --> 00:40:13,747
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I'm a public figure, so I'm going to

823
00:40:13,747 --> 00:40:16,827
Speaker 4: get public feedback. And the opinions are great because it

824
00:40:16,867 --> 00:40:19,187
Speaker 4: means people care about our game and it's the national

825
00:40:19,187 --> 00:40:23,107
Speaker 4: sport and you're nationally recognized and you know, look, you

826
00:40:23,147 --> 00:40:25,027
Speaker 4: ever seen around together we walk, which was a bigger

827
00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:27,987
Speaker 4: part of it. I wanted the country to realize that

828
00:40:28,027 --> 00:40:30,147
Speaker 4: we're representing them. So if I'm out in public walk

829
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Speaker 4: and this gay's walked together and and I say that

830
00:40:32,947 --> 00:40:36,347
Speaker 4: connected so terrorism that people can see, you know, the

831
00:40:36,507 --> 00:40:40,987
Speaker 4: ardis the Scott Barrett's that whoever's there that they're real

832
00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:44,387
Speaker 4: they can achieve it. And in you know, keep that

833
00:40:44,507 --> 00:40:48,307
Speaker 4: idolizing of the all blacks and connected.

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Speaker 3: When he off to donate and Tuesday is it?

835
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tuesday Tuesday down South fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Well again, Rasa, thank you for taking the time to

837
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Speaker 3: pop in and and fill us all in. It's been

838
00:40:58,787 --> 00:41:00,827
Speaker 3: been awesome to Jetty you hope of enjoyed interacting with

839
00:41:00,907 --> 00:41:03,867
Speaker 3: our listeners as well on the phone. Heaps of texts

840
00:41:03,867 --> 00:41:05,507
Speaker 3: we couldn't get to, but we wish you all the

841
00:41:05,507 --> 00:41:08,227
Speaker 3: best for the the year ahead, starting with France and

842
00:41:08,267 --> 00:41:11,107
Speaker 3: Dunedin next Saturday. Look forward to seeing you down there.

843
00:41:11,347 --> 00:41:13,227
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Thanks to everyone listening as well.

844
00:41:13,347 --> 00:41:13,827
Speaker 4: Appreciate it.

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00:41:13,907 --> 00:41:17,187
Speaker 3: Scott Raizor Robertson in studio with us. That's two years

846
00:41:17,187 --> 00:41:17,987
Speaker 3: in a row. He's done it.

847
00:41:18,467 --> 00:41:18,587
Speaker 13: Well.

848
00:41:18,667 --> 00:41:20,267
Speaker 3: Let's hope that a year from now we can we

849
00:41:20,307 --> 00:41:21,987
Speaker 3: can do it again. I won't make you commit to it,

850
00:41:22,387 --> 00:41:24,747
Speaker 3: but could you commit to it next year, just do it.

851
00:41:24,947 --> 00:41:29,387
Speaker 3: Go on there, Scot Roberts Alive and studio News, Sport, Weather.

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Speaker 3: Next here at News Talks EDB at two.

853
00:41:32,827 --> 00:41:36,027
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854
00:41:36,107 --> 00:41:39,507
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