1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: In the funny old world of Formula One. The good 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: news Liam Lawson survives his debut season. Of course he 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: stays with Racing Balls for twenty six C. He is 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: to be joined by Avid Lindblad. Isaac Hedger gets the 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: promotion to rid Ball next to Max for Steppen. Of course, 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Peter Winter, former Ferrari in William's man is beck. Well, 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: there's Peter morning to you. Good morning now we use yeah, 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: thank you. Were you surprised for a while there? If 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: you go back a few weeks that was it was 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: touch and go, wasn't It could have gone either way. 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: I'm not so sure it could have. Actually, I think 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: it was pretty clear mid season there we're going to 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: run Zaki jar alongside Max for Stappen, and also pretty 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: clear that they were keen on lind Blad. And if 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: you're going to run lind Blad at Racing Bulls, who 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: are you going to put him next to Yuki Sonoda 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: or Liam Lawson. Much better to put him next to 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: Liam Lawson. For sure they'll get on. Well, he'll learn 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: from Liam and Liam I think will flourish now a 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: in a senior role in the team with a young 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: rookie alongside him. I think I'll be best out in 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: Liam and anyway, I think Liam's driving it's become a 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 2: little bit more polished over the last six months, whereas 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: Yuki Sonoda is basically sunk without trace. So for me 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: it's not a surprise and I don't think there was 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: much choice in it. Really. To me, it's pretty logical. 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: What's the risk in Lindblad being so young and inexperienced. 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, say whatever you want about Yuki. At least 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: he's been there a while. 30 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: No no risk at all. But there's no downside in 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 2: running him in the Racing Bulls team. It's their second team, 32 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: it's their B division team. They've got lots of young 33 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: drivers under contract, lots of them all over the world. 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: He's one that they really think is a future star. 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: So you know he's ready to be put in the 36 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: Formula One car and there's no risk there at all. 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: What's no pressure on him really? Every time he gets 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: near Liam, people will think, wow, he's doing a great job. 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: How does this work given you've been on the inside, 40 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Because if you look at results, Lindbladd isn't that successful 41 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: en F two. There are others that if you looked 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: just purely on paper, are faster drivers with better results? 43 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: What do they see in him? 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: Well, it's a very very good question. I was watching 45 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: linn Blad's body language after an F two race quite recently, 46 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: and he just he just looked like a Formula one 47 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: driver that was very confident. It's just his mannerisms and 48 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: the way he was conducting himself. He didn't look like 49 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: a young kid rookie. He looked like somebody who knew 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: where he was going. And I suspect there's a bit 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: of that red bull, but quite susceptible to star quality. 52 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: Should we should we call it that rather than just 53 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: sheer driving talent and studying of technique. And so I 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: think he fits the red bull mold, as does Liam, 55 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: you know, and the way Liam presents himself. And if 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: you look at a guy like leonardoor forna Oli, for example, 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: who just won the Formula two championship and only Scott 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: a McLaren deal now, but it's the first Formula one 59 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: deal he's had for a long time, nobody was really 60 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 2: interested in him. He's he's a lot less glamorous than 61 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Linn Blad, And so I think it's that, you know, 62 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: it's sad to say. I think it's that. I think 63 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: there's a lot of glamour in the way Red Bull 64 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: do their choices and work with young drivers, and that's 65 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: part of the whole Netflix Formula One is a business 66 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: as much as it's a show these days. And yeah, 67 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: I mean little lad he may be very, very good, 68 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: but he's certainly you know, he's certainly gone a lot 69 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: going for from a Red Bull perspective in terms of 70 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: his is the way he presents himself. 71 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: What have you made of Liam? The season has bounced 72 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: back from the Red Bull the motion and where does 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: he go next year? Do you think? 74 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I did predict that it would 75 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: be very difficult for him alongside is zach Haja last 76 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: time we spoke, and because I think Isak is just 77 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: a class driver who gets into corners a little bit earlier. 78 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: He's got the finesse and touch that enables him to 79 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: do that. It's not just a question of choosing a 80 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: different line. He actually has a suppleness and a touch 81 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: about his driving that is reminiscent of some qualities of 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: Max Fistappen and Charlie Clerk. He's very very talented, but 83 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: I think is a sort of Carlos Sits type driver. 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: He gets in a bit later to the corner. He 85 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: likes to get the rear loaded up. He's got great 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: car control, great balance, and I think the second half 87 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: of this year he's done what Carlos Sites started to do. 88 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: He's looked at what he can do in a race 89 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: car and he said, right, this is about the way 90 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to drive the rest of my life. Now 91 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to try and polish that and make sure 92 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: I make fewer mistakes. I'm more adaptable to different conditions, 93 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: to the variables, and here I will be for the 94 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: next four or five years. I mean, I think, to 95 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: be honest, his only future is at Red Bull. I 96 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 2: can't imagine he's going to get a drive somewhere else 97 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: if he loses the Red Bull drive at the end 98 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: of twenty six. But I'm sure he's not thinking about 99 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: anything more than the next couple of months. At the moment. 100 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: Most racing people only think about three months ahead. 101 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: The interesting thing about it is, of course the hedger. 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: I concur with what you say about his talent, But 103 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: do we know what he's in next year? By way 104 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: of a car. Does anybody know what their car is 105 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: next to you? 106 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: Well, no, they don't any more than we know what 107 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: the McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull or Ferrari are going to be. 108 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 2: Nobody knows because it's a completely new regulation, completely new car, 109 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: totally different sort of car, and completely new power unit 110 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: as well, fifty percent electric power unit. So nobody knows, 111 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: and none of the engineers have a clue about what 112 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: the opposition are doing. They can only focus on their 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: own car. And we probably won't even know after the 114 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 2: first test because a lot of teams will be playing 115 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: around with bits and bobs. We won't know really until 116 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: we get to the first race where we actually stand. 117 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: And so lots of people love to make comments and 118 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: rumors about this power unit or that power unit, but 119 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: nobody knows. That's the bottom line. Red Bull could have 120 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: a great, great car next year. They may not, but 121 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: they could. They could have a you know, the equivalent 122 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: of a McLaren. 123 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: Interesting, Peter, always good to catch up, appreciate it very much. 124 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: We'll get John again too, And Peter Windsor, who is 125 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: a foremost. 126 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: To talk to you, thank you nowhere is. 127 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: At all Ferrari and William's interesting comments about Mawson and 128 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: his his future over the next four or five years. 129 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: He's basically with Redbulls. 130 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast listen Live News 131 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: Talk Set B from six am weekdays, or follow the 132 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio.