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Speaker 1: So congestion apparently costs Orkland's two point six billion dollars

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Speaker 1: every year and certainly, and that's by twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: that is next year. Obviously. This is according to a

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Speaker 1: report that Wayne Brown, the mayor, has commissioned, and he's

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Speaker 1: calling for a time of use charge to manage demand

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Speaker 1: on Auckland's roads. We know those as congestion charges. The

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Speaker 1: city has the worst congestion of any city in New

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Speaker 1: Zealand or Australia. Apparently people are spending twenty nine million

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Speaker 1: hours a year sitting in traffic. It's National Road Carriers Association.

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Speaker 1: See oh, justin Tiger, I'm business with.

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Speaker 2: Me, Hella justin morning, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: How would road carriers feel about the congestion charges? Would

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Speaker 1: they welcome them if they get all the unnecessary cars

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Speaker 1: out of the system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that's right. National Road Carriers supports. Time of

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Speaker 2: use is about a tool and the tilkit for tackling congestion.

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Speaker 2: It's a major issue in Auckland. And I think the

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Speaker 2: win we'd be looking for out of time of use

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Speaker 2: in the city like Auckland is to peer back to

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Speaker 2: some like school holiday level traffic. I think that's around

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Speaker 2: about six percent reduction, and then what that enables for

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Speaker 2: track drivers is they can get their goods through faster

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Speaker 2: and they could probably do more turns in a day

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Speaker 2: and more runs in a day as well, So certainly

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Speaker 2: they support it as long as the pricing is price drip.

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Speaker 1: Is there too much attention paid on, say a new

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Speaker 1: harbour crossing when we come to wanting to fix our

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Speaker 1: problems when the problems are actually in other parts of

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Speaker 1: the motorways and also in the roads that the council controls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's all a system that has to be

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Speaker 2: managed in cohesion. So for Auckland harbor crossing, what's really

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Speaker 2: critical is that we have a second crossing put in

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Speaker 2: place so there's resilience. When you've got an older structure

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Speaker 2: and one that's having to be closed because it's too

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Speaker 2: windy or winds lanes shut down, we need extra resilience there.

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Speaker 2: There's no question in the level of traffic on the

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Speaker 2: motorway needs that getting it in the right place would

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Speaker 2: help congestion. But yeah, look Andrew, you're right, there's other

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Speaker 2: parts the motorway that need actually widening, and we have

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Speaker 2: three lanes narrow down to two, which was all enjoyed

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Speaker 2: on Hawai getting out of Auckland. They need to be

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Speaker 2: addressed as well, and that'll have a major factor in

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Speaker 2: terms of improving congestion.

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Speaker 1: All right, justin we'll wait to see what happens and

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Speaker 1: whether this really does occur. Certainly I was driving around

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Speaker 1: in a rush Houra yesterday and the problem wasn't on

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Speaker 1: the boatorways. My god. It was a wirerail road, it

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Speaker 1: was a lake road, it was everywhere. It's suburban and

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the motorways as well. Good luck

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Speaker 1: if you're driving into work today.

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