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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks that'd be and.

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Speaker 2: It is time to catch up with our sustainability commentator,

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Speaker 2: who reckons now is the time to start having the

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Speaker 2: conversations with the Farno about a more sustainable Christmas. Kate

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Speaker 2: Hall is with us this morning held a good morning

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Speaker 2: what in a Jack oh what? We're six weeks away,

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Speaker 2: which means six weeks away from the big day, which

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Speaker 2: means that now is the time to get your a

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Speaker 2: entergy and get your Christmas gifts sorted, especially if you're

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Speaker 2: looking for something sustainable, because if you're looking for a

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Speaker 2: sustainable option, December twenty fourth at four point thirty in

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Speaker 2: the afternoon is probably not the time you want to

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Speaker 2: be doing it. Now it's the perfect time, right, yes see.

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Speaker 3: I think now's the perfect time to start the conversations

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Speaker 3: with your families. In particular. I think that's a really

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Speaker 3: big one that we can talk about. You know, all

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Speaker 3: sorts of sustainable Christmas, like meals and buying local produce

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Speaker 3: for your food and sustainable gifts. But it's like if

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Speaker 3: your keene doing it, maybe not everyone in your family is,

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Speaker 3: and so you need to plant those seeds of discussion early,

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Speaker 3: and so that's why you know we're chatting out this

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Speaker 3: in November.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you say, it isn't just gifts. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of everything at Christmas, and given the nature of the celebrations,

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Speaker 2: there are lots of different areas in which we can

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Speaker 2: potentially be a bit more sustainable. But you've learned this

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Speaker 2: presumably the hard way, that there's no point kind of

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Speaker 2: preaching at everyone, right, Like you have to try and

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Speaker 2: bring people with you if you know you're trying to

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Speaker 2: encourage a more sustainable world.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, And I think doing different things like you know,

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Speaker 3: frame it not is hey, guys, like let's all have

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Speaker 3: a sustainable Christmas. Like you know, your uncle Don is

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Speaker 3: probably going to go yeah, not not be too keen,

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Speaker 3: so FRAMI it is like let's plain this together, you know,

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Speaker 3: like what ask the question, you know, what do you

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Speaker 3: remember from past Christmases? Like what what does everyone want

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Speaker 3: to do this year? How would you feel like would

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Speaker 3: be the best Christmas ever? What are your Christmas ideas?

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Speaker 3: What do people need? And often I think that comes

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Speaker 3: down to people go they want it easier, cheaper Christmas,

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Speaker 3: and generally that is a less based for Christmas. So

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Speaker 3: frame it and like leading with that curiosity piece of

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Speaker 3: you know, what do you want and not just coming

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Speaker 3: in saying this is what we're going to do for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: I think is really important to start. You know, maybe

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Speaker 3: that can be something you do right now today and

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Speaker 3: your group chat, family chat, and throw our ideas that

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Speaker 3: are sustainable. And I'm sure you know you can't control

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Speaker 3: everyone's reactions as to what they will do when you

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Speaker 3: suggest some things that are overtly sustainable, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's about trying, and maybe this is a good year

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Speaker 3: to try.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see in the past it's not that Christmas

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Speaker 2: conceeme obscene, but you know, we live in an age

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Speaker 2: of consumption, right, and so years ago in our family,

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Speaker 2: we decided to go to a secret scender model for

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Speaker 2: gifts instead of giving everyone a guest and then and

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Speaker 2: you end up buying stuff that they don't necessarily want,

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Speaker 2: and everyone's going to waste money, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean that there are lots of downsides

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Speaker 2: to it. So we move to a Secret Center model,

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Speaker 2: fifty dollars limit, you get one person, and I just

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Speaker 2: think it works so well, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's great that's a really great meason to it. I

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Speaker 3: do that with housing side of the family every year too,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, you get something you actually need and so

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Speaker 3: you're probably smiling a lot more than just oh yeah

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Speaker 3: and like an air of socks. Another way we do

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Speaker 3: is like that the Secret Center game, but you only

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Speaker 3: bring consumables, so it has to be something that you

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Speaker 3: can eat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, okay, And then.

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Speaker 3: That way there's not like any stuff left, but you

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Speaker 3: know that the food will be circulated and you can

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Speaker 3: play actually a fun like Secret Center game together and

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Speaker 3: that can actually be part of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea. Another thing we do now

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Speaker 2: is because there are increasing numbers of wealth for me,

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Speaker 2: nieces and nephew use for Mama and dair grandkids. But

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Speaker 2: what we do is all the aunties and uncles we

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Speaker 2: kind of agree that instead of us all individually buying

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Speaker 2: kids gifts because they get showered and so much on

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Speaker 2: Christmas anyway, we basically have a like a team gift

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Speaker 2: from the aunties and uncles and we'll often try and

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Speaker 2: we'll make it like a board game or something like that.

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Speaker 2: So it's a bit of an experience as well as

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Speaker 2: opposed to just you know, like just heaps of you know,

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Speaker 2: just junkie plastic stuff that the kids will play with

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Speaker 2: for thirty seconds and then move on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I love that idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, I just think stuff like that

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Speaker 2: makes kind of sense, right, But the key is to

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Speaker 2: frame the discussion now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yep, do it now, and be brave. I know

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Speaker 3: it can feel like, you know, you expose yourself a bit,

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Speaker 3: but if you leave with that curiosity piece and lead

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Speaker 3: with what does everyone need and want, you know, you're

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Speaker 3: not coming in and preaching, You're being really clear and

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Speaker 3: you can suggest some good things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the truth is that people don't remember the

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Speaker 2: stuff as much as they remember how they feel, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: they remember just the kind of you know, warm feeling

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Speaker 2: of sitting around and yarning and you know, playing charades

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is. You know, it's that stuff I

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Speaker 2: remember as opposed to stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, there's one Christmas I remember most vividly. It

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Speaker 3: was a Christmas that we didn't do any stuff. That

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Speaker 3: everyone had to bring something to Christmas Day in terms

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Speaker 3: of like my brother and his girlfriends brought a yoga

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Speaker 3: at cre yoga class that we ended up doing on

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Speaker 3: the back lawn, you know, like they took us through

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Speaker 3: it and I brought I did all the Christmas snacks.

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Speaker 3: I made all these Zeri Way snacks, you know, and

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Speaker 3: you remember those experiences talking about on the lawn and

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Speaker 3: that was just so much fun. Like those memories are

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Speaker 3: just so altered, just so much more. I can't remember

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Speaker 3: what you know, I got for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Oh so good? All right, thanks Kate, Yeah good. Good

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Speaker 2: to give us a nice early warning this year to Kate,

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Speaker 2: all of course, is on social media. You can find

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Speaker 2: her by searching ethically Kate.

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