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Speaker 1: Because I've got this ongoing fascination with we're a bit

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Speaker 1: in terms of attitude, and there's a consumer confidence out.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk with Andrew about that time after six o'clock

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Speaker 1: this morning, but it does seem to me that and

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Speaker 1: there's a very interesting series of surveys out both here

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Speaker 1: to leave their job for another one. So we're disgruntled,

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Speaker 1: we're unhappy, and so we want progression, we want more money,

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Speaker 1: and if we don't get more money here, we'll go

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Speaker 1: to Australia. But in Australia they've got the same sort

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Speaker 1: of problems. And then there's also this very interesting report

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Speaker 1: I'll have you later are the Henley Private Wealth Migration

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Speaker 1: Report Britain London. They are leaving in droves and they're

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Speaker 1: the wealthy. It's what we were talking about on the

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Speaker 1: programme yesterday with the change the real estate agents. If

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Speaker 1: you read the one roof report, the real estate agents

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Speaker 1: are saying, look, we should be bringing wealthy, successful, bright

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Speaker 1: people into the country and allow them to buy homes

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Speaker 1: because otherwise, where else are they going to go while

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Speaker 1: they're not in Britain anyway. Let me come back to

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Speaker 1: that later on this morning. Meantime, it's eleven away from six.

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Speaker 1: Chief District Court Judge has introduced time framed goals to

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Speaker 1: speed up cases. So will be divided into categories least

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Speaker 1: serious Category one where there's no risk of imprisonment. The

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Speaker 1: aim is to be through that court case in six months.

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Speaker 1: Court Cat two is under two years of jail nine months.

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Speaker 1: Cat three over two years of jail fifteen months. How

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Speaker 1: real is any of this? Ruth Money is a victim's

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Speaker 1: advocate and is with us. Ruth, very good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Good morning As a theory. Do you like it?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I love it?

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Speaker 1: Is it doable?

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Speaker 2: I think it's doable. Should the other players in the

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Speaker 2: system do their part? And there's no reason why they

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Speaker 2: want but yeah, that would need to happen the suits

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Speaker 2: of things that happen to get things to court, not

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Speaker 2: just the court itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to ask, because you

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Speaker 1: know more than most. What are the infrastructural issues within

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Speaker 1: the court. We hear the buildings are rolled and they

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Speaker 1: don't work properly. The computer system is not particularly up

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Speaker 1: to scratch, you've got any number of legal aid or

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Speaker 1: lawyer's calling, appeal after appeal. I mean, do a lot

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Speaker 1: of things need to come together for this to work

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Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest things that would need

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Speaker 2: to come together is that police have to get the

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Speaker 2: disclosure of the file. So they need to do the investigation,

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Speaker 2: get all of the evidence, and then they supply that

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Speaker 2: to the defense lawyer who then advises their client whether

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Speaker 2: they're pleading to this or dealing on that, for example,

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Speaker 2: pleading guilty, not guilty, etc. And if that doesn't happen smoothly,

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Speaker 2: then there's obviously the crown can't do that, but or

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Speaker 2: the police can't prosecute thefor because they can't liaise with

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Speaker 2: the defense lawyer. Therefore the court kind of timings fall over.

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Speaker 2: And I see that time and time again where a

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Speaker 2: victim and I are waiting waiting and there are arguments

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Speaker 2: going on because something hasn't been disclosed.

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Speaker 1: So that is that deliberate or is that just admin.

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Speaker 2: That is a resulting police issue and that they are

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Speaker 2: just under the pump and can't get to For example,

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Speaker 2: if you were really naughty right now and I needed

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Speaker 2: some forensics off your phone would be waiting months for that.

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Speaker 2: So there are things in the system, and I think

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Speaker 2: Chester District Court Judge speaks to another one around local

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Speaker 2: health assessments or probation officer assistant corrections assessments of certain

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Speaker 2: people who have done the harm and all the offenders.

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Speaker 2: There are certain addiction mental health reports because you know,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the justice system is

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Speaker 2: a result of all these terrible things happening from a

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Speaker 2: social perspective and an education and health perspective in a community.

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Speaker 1: So the most of what you're saying is the moment

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Speaker 1: you contract out to somebody, they won't have the resource.

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Speaker 1: That'll be your delay.

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Speaker 2: That is my concern.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I just got fascinated the other day this

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Speaker 1: Bush shelter. He's not appearing in that. Casesn't going till

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, twenty six, We're only midway through twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, and I'm thinking, what the hell's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what happens. The courts are absolutely jammed.

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Speaker 2: Things are so delayed, and quite literally, people have got

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Speaker 2: their lives on hold waiting, you know, people don't go

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Speaker 2: to school, so therefore the life trajection or the trajectory

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Speaker 2: of successful life is really compromised. It's not saying that

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Speaker 2: they won't be successful, but if you can't get through

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Speaker 2: your school and the university, you can't concentrate on your work,

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Speaker 2: you lose your house. There are so many horrible consequences

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Speaker 2: of these delays that I really admire and hope that

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Speaker 2: the stuff happens because it needs to. The human toll

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Very well put. Nice to see you again, Ruth, Ruth Money,

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Speaker 1: victim's advocate and the.

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