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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: My Yest this morning is actor John Barrowman, who became

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Speaker 2: an instant hit with sci fi fans around the world

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Speaker 2: when he made his debut on Doctor Who back in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, almost twenty years ago now. His

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Speaker 2: character Captain Jack Heartness's popularity saw him become a recurring

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Speaker 2: presence in the BBC series, and he later took center

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Speaker 2: stage in the successful spin off series Torch Would. He

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Speaker 2: starred in superhero series Arrow and found huge success in

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Speaker 2: theater roles on Broadway and the West End. John Barrowman

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Speaker 2: is currently in New Zealand for this weekend's pop culture

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Speaker 2: convention Armageddon, and he's with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Calder, Good morning, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 4: And it's this sunny day here in Auckland. It's absolutely fabulous.

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Speaker 2: John. I know you've been here before. You know, you

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Speaker 2: might have been here a couple of times, but you've

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Speaker 2: got to be very careful when you're promising anything when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the weather. In all at this time

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Speaker 2: of year.

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Speaker 4: I have been here in the summertime, and I've been

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Speaker 4: here in the winter. I've been to the South Island

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Speaker 4: in the winter, and it's funny everybody says, oh, it's

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Speaker 4: freezing cold, it's going to be freezing. We actually find

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Speaker 4: it quite mild here, even though you guys might find

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Speaker 4: it cold. So it's a it's a welcome break from

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Speaker 4: the one hundred and twenty five degree about you know,

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Speaker 4: the heat in California that's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I get that fair enough. It's a

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Speaker 2: welcome reprieve at this time of year.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how how you feel your kind of

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Speaker 2: national allegiances being pulled in every which direction these days?

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Speaker 2: By any chance, are you a football fan?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, are you asking that because of Scotland or yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because of Scotland This morning it's it's a very

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Speaker 2: difficult time to be a Scottish football fan.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, has.

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Speaker 4: It not always been a difficult time a Scottish football fan?

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Speaker 4: This is I think what's great at the moment is

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Speaker 4: and I haven't been following it as closely as probably

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Speaker 4: I should, you know, being at my country of birth,

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Speaker 4: but I know this is an opportunity for the team

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Speaker 4: those historic national teams that takes the reins and does

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Speaker 4: something brilliant, or they can step into the realm of

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Speaker 4: being a team that has you know, they they don't

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Speaker 4: do as well as they thought, but the fact of

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Speaker 4: the matter is it's bringing people together. And it's exactly

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Speaker 4: like what we do in the convention world. We bring

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Speaker 4: people together to celebrate something that we really love.

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Speaker 3: See the way I did that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very slick. That was very very very smooth. Look,

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Speaker 2: if if you get sick of the acting world, you

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Speaker 2: just these kind of these kind of seguays are invaluable

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Speaker 4: They're good, No, but I wish them the best of

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Speaker 4: luck because as always it's the big games like that

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Speaker 4: that and I know Germany are are on the tenderfoots

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Speaker 3: So I wish Scotland the best of luck. Gonya say

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Speaker 3: all loved the country proud?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think they're gonna need every

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Speaker 2: little sliver of luck that anyone can wish them. After

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Speaker 2: this morning, anyway, what is it, what's it like for you?

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Speaker 2: Just see, give us, give us some context, what it's

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Speaker 2: like traveling across the world and seeing how much love

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Speaker 2: there is still for a show like Doctor Who, Well,

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Speaker 4: Goes to prove that a show that tells stories that

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Speaker 4: and people can see themselves in the characters, not only

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Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter.

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Speaker 4: That you know, you can come somewhere like to Auckland,

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Speaker 2: And is there any way you can distill the magic?

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Speaker 2: But what what is it? What is it for a

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, like I said, I think it's the

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Speaker 4: fact that anybody sitting watching it can see themselves in

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Speaker 3: We were the ones who were first to bring those

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Speaker 4: They were flawed, they were they they they did things

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Speaker 3: They did you know, they tried.

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Speaker 4: And also we were representing different types of people. We had,

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Speaker 4: at that time omnisexual, but clearly he was he was

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Speaker 4: who was playing an you know, an omnisexual hero on television.

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Speaker 3: It was a big, big, deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, right because you can kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: that that must have been something you were very very

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Speaker 2: when you first started playing Captain Jack? Was that was

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I didn't, actually, because when I was in an interview

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Speaker 3: It was one of the episode, was the episode.

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Speaker 4: Where Jack kissed the doctor and Rose and somebody said,

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Speaker 3: And I went, have I ever been in You know,

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Speaker 4: I've tried to you know, you don't Some people feel

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Speaker 3: What what their their who their true self is.

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Speaker 4: But others do. And that's the that's the beauty of

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Speaker 4: I don't think I had anxiety over it. You know,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I'd rather have a career.

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Speaker 4: That's a roller coaster and and take some risks because

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Speaker 3: I want to be myself. I want to introduce my husband,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hide. I want to have relationships

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Speaker 3: And that was part of why why I did it.

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Speaker 4: of when did that just happen?

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Speaker 3: You know, and it was it was something that was

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Speaker 4: But what great is now there's a whole new generation

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Speaker 4: I'm incorrect, I apologize.

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Speaker 4: A whole new generation who think, oh, this is the

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Speaker 4: Like everything, there is a history that leads us to

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you released an album last year right Seen to

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Speaker 2: How did that come about?

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Speaker 4: wanted the songs to represent a journey and my career

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Speaker 4: It's, if I could say so, it's just an amazing,

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Speaker 2: Musical theater fits into that because for our listeners who

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Speaker 2: in musical theater. Obviously you've had you know, big screen

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Speaker 4: that's theo that audiences people realize and networks realize that

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Speaker 4: of different types of entertainment into programming and also, uh

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Speaker 4: in you know things that you're watching really gives it

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Speaker 3: When we can't speak what we feel, we sing it.

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Speaker 4: And that's also where people are realizing, because what do

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Speaker 4: you're happier, you're joyful, you sing, you sing someone else's song,

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Speaker 4: you hum a tune. So again, it's reflecting what people

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Speaker 3: And I know people will.

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Speaker 4: Go, oh, we don't walk around singing, Well you kind

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Speaker 4: of do, you just don't want to admit it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. So what's the plan

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the plan is it's all about the fan family,

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna have a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: I've got my panel, which I you know, cosplay myself

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Speaker 2: Yeah fantastic. Hey, look, it's so good to have you

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Speaker 3: I will, and it's really lovely to be back.

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Speaker 4: I enjoy coming here and it's lovely to be welcomed

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Speaker 2: Fantastic that is John Barrowman. The Armageddon Expo has kicked

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Speaker 2: off today. It's on well, kicked off yesterday. I think

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Speaker 2: Winter Geddon the calling it.

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Speaker 1: This year.

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Speaker 2: It's Auckland's Showgrounds until six pm tonight and then tomorrow

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Speaker 2: from nine till five as well. You can go to

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