1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Thousands of victims of crime missing out on court ordered reparation. 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: We've got ten and a half thousand payments over you 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: right now. With the further twenty three thousand, seven hundred outstanding, 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: it's one hundred and five million dollars that people are 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: missing out on. The Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith with us 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: on this Good morning. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. 8 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Hardly a surprise given the people you're dealing with. They're 9 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: not fulsome in their ability or need or desire to pay, 10 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: are they? 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: No, But it is a hopeless situation. It's been like 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: this for a very long time and everybody's aware it. 13 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: You know, something happens, you get this a reparation and 14 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: that's two dollars a week, or it doesn't happen, and 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: so there aren't the real consequences for crime. Unfortunately. It's 16 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: this one of the many issues in the justice sector 17 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: that we're working our way through. And I've certainly given 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: instructions that we've got to come up with a better solution. 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Are they what's that coming up with a better solution. 20 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: Well, they haven't come up with it yet. I'll just 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: remind you that last year we were focusing on sentencing 22 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: and the gang stuff. Make good progress there now dealing 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: with stalking and name suppression rules and retail crime. The 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: next cab off the rank will be that, you know, 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: is an equally appalling situation in terms of people waiting 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: three years for to get cases. So the slow processes 27 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: of the courts and this one is the next problem 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: that we've got to deal with. And the challenge of 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: puts them is this Simply we've got you know, we 30 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: can send people to jail, or we can give them 31 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: a fine, but we actually need something more effective in 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: the middle for people who don't actually pay the fine. 33 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: We don't necessarily want to put them in prison. And 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: you know, so it's a kind of the community service 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: type thing. I'd be interested in your listeners if they 36 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: could come up with. I think we've got to come 37 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: up with something that's irritating and difficult and annoying which 38 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 2: forces people to actually get on with it and pay 39 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: the fines. 40 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: Most of these people will beyond benefits, take it out 41 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: of their benefits. 42 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: Well, Yet that that already happens in certain circumstances that. 43 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, why don't you solve the problem if you've 44 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: got the mechanism just take it out until they pay 45 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: their bill. 46 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: Yes, but there's also I mean that there's child support payments, 47 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: there's traffic fines, all sorts of things coming out, and 48 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: that's the limit. And so I think the problem. Yes, 49 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: I mean that there's scope for doing that more, and 50 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: the scope for having more consequences at the border and 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: all those sorts of things. We're into that, but I 52 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: still think we need to come up with a better 53 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: solution that provides something that's irritating and painful, that annoys people, 54 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: that forces them to getting out and paying the fines. 55 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: And that's what I'm looking for. 56 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: And how about a small segment on my show once 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: a week where I name and shame them. 58 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: Well, that's good idea. I'm into that, Mike. 59 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: There we go. See this is the home of my ideas. 60 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: Paul anytime you welcome Paul Goldsmith, who is the Justice Minister. 61 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast. Listen live to 62 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 63 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.