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Speaker 1: Alex Wiley, as I'm well aware, one of rugby's greats

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Speaker 1: passed away yesterday. He was eighty. He had a ninety

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Speaker 1: one percent success rates as an All Blacks coach, played

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Speaker 1: eleven tests for the All Blacks in the early seventies.

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Speaker 1: Former All Black and his nephew, Richard Lowe, is what

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Speaker 1: this Richard, Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I guess you're on that tricky business of sort of

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Speaker 1: private grief as a family having to sort of share

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Speaker 1: it with the nation, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose you are the family, close family are

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Speaker 2: I think anyone tied up with rugby will be remembering

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Speaker 2: him for what he did.

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Speaker 1: He was a time well I always saw him anyway

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Speaker 1: as a time and a place sort of bloke, hugely influential,

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Speaker 1: but in that old fashioned New Zealand not a lot

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Speaker 1: of words kind of with it way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably remember him this war was an uncle

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Speaker 2: that played for the All Blacks. But then it was

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Speaker 2: quite quite interesting. I departed score at Tairly early age

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Speaker 2: and ended up by playing Demark where he was captain

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Speaker 2: number eight, and along with him the Graham Higginsons and

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Speaker 2: the Andy Jeffords, another couple of all blacks, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you grow up from being a schoolboy to a young

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Speaker 2: man very quickly under that sort of leadership.

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Speaker 1: Was he likable beyond the gruffness?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think over the years he's mellowed, which a

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Speaker 2: lot will say. But you know, I heard Don Hayes

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Speaker 2: say about him last night. You know, yeah, he came

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Speaker 2: across as gruff and hard and everything, and which he

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Speaker 2: was in his playing days and probably coaching days two

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Speaker 2: But as Don said, he was a big, softy under thing.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon? He transcends the ere. I always think

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Speaker 1: about people, I mean, twenty five year olds listening to

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Speaker 1: this game, griz who do you think he's bigger than

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Speaker 1: the era in which he was around specifically?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably is in a lot of ways. He

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Speaker 2: he coached and played with a hell of a lot

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Speaker 2: of people and left his mark, and I would suggest,

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Speaker 2: you know, that sort of thing we'll go down in history.

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Speaker 2: And I know up at the Glenmark Club he's held

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Speaker 2: right up high on the pedestal, so you know his

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Speaker 2: history will continue for many, many decades to come.

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Speaker 1: Good good insight, Richard appreciator, Richard Low, who's nephew and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell this story later, but I played pool with

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Speaker 1: them once in Timrou and somebody just came up to me.

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Speaker 1: I happened to be in Timoru and they said, do

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Speaker 1: you want to play a game of pool with Gris Wiley?

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Speaker 1: Which is not what you expect because I wasn't in Timrou.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like a professional circuit that we were traveling

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Speaker 1: in the Paul tournament circuit. I was in Timaru for

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Speaker 1: other reasons. They said, you want to play Gris Wiley,

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Speaker 1: and Paul I said why not.

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