1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: New figures show more women own their own homes than men. 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Core Logics twenty twenty five Women in Property report shows 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: twenty three percent of women had sole ownership of a property, 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: compared to twenty point nine percent for men. Mixed gender 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: ownership presumably married couples, was fifty six percent. Calvin Davidson's 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: their Core Logic chief property economist. He's with me high 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Calvin good good to be on the show. Did that 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: number surprise you? And what's behind it? Do you know? 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: No? I mean the number didn't really surprise me. I 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: suppose the number we've been probably highlighting a little bit 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: more as a female deficit. I guess when it comes 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: to investment property, so great, females own a proportionately higher 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: number of owner occupied properties, but there is also a 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: deficit when it comes to investment properties, and that's sort 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: of the number we've been highlighting. I think is when 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: you boil through all the numbers, what you really come 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: down to is the gender age cap in the fact 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: that females unfortuately do earn less for similar jobs, that's 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: probably holding back their investment into properties. So something needs 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: to be looked at. 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because more of them own their primary home though. 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to some extent, the underlying some of that 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: owner occupier number will be also an affordability challenge in 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: the sense that we're seeing more apartments being owned by females, 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: so that I think, even though the overall owner occupier 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: share is a little bit higher, when you dig into 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: the types of properties that come in there, they are 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: perhaps a little bit smaller, cheaper. That's where the affordability 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: challenges come in. So, yeah, digging into the numbers does 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: I think still reveal some challenges. 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: You mentioned that women don't own as many rental properties 32 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: do they want to. 33 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's certainly what's coming through. We've also revealed 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: some survey based data this year which is new to 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: the previous reports we've done. And yes, certainly the attitudes 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: are there. A very similar proportion of females report home 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: ownership or property ownership in general is very important, the 38 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: very similar proportion, so the attitude is definitely there. So 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: then you start to dig into the numbers and say, well, 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: the attitudes there was not coming through them, they're in 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: results and nothing really have to come down to financial 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: resources come down to those lower incomes that gender wage 43 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: gap and again a policy area that. 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean is it the gender wage gap? 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Because I was thinking about this and I think just 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in my own life about girls and women that I'm 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: friends with, more often than not they go to university. 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: My male friends are more inclined to go into a 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: trade they're earning them Guys are earning money from a 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: younger age. We know that women are more likely to 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: go to university, therefore delaying their earning potential, and then 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: our rental property is obviously going to be a long 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: way off that. Have you taken these types of things 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: into a consideration, Well, I. 55 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: Mean, the gender wage gap does take into account different 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: micks of employment, different mix of education, and that sort 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: of thing, in the sense that gender wage gap looks 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: at the genders and jobs and simply when you see 59 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: females doing a similar job to males but being paid less. 60 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 2: So that's that's the sort of gender wage cap. Now, 61 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: it's not the only explanation, as you live. It doesn't 62 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: explain everything. I think there's there's a little bit of 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: evidence coming through on the survey that perhaps it is 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: to do with understanding of the property buying process for example, 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: So there's there's perhaps hints and here of anything that 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 2: we can do to educate both males and females really 67 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: about the difficulties of buying property, the process that's required 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: that will help as well. So those things help, but 69 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: I think generally you would really come down to financial 70 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: resources as being a key factor here and something now 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: Unfortunately through time that females leag behind on that. So 72 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: it's a longering a show. I guess the policymakers to 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: really be looking at all. 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Right, Calvin, thanks for your time. We'd love to know 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: what people think of that's Calvin Davidson, Core Logic, chief 76 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: Property Economists with us here on news Talk. Semb nine 77 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: to ninety two is the number to text. If you're 78 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: a woman listening to this and you've got your your 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: own home, well congratulations, you're actually doing better than men. 80 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: And when it comes to home ownership, this is owner 81 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: occupied homes only. But i'd love to know did you 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: want your own home from a young age? Did you 83 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: see that was that you're objective? And men? What's going on? 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Why aren't you up there with the women? For more 85 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: from Heather Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to news Talks 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: it'd be from four pm weekdays, Or follow the podcast 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio