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Speaker 1: To France. We go casin feel very good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Good morning. Some of the more tabloid papers I'm reading

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Speaker 1: at the moment says France is on edge. Is there

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Speaker 1: a fair assessment of what's happened or not? Really?

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Speaker 2: I think that's very fair. It could also be an understatement, Mike. Really,

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Speaker 2: their tension is just palpable. Nobody quite knows where this

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Speaker 2: is going to end. We're looking at possibly another twenty

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Speaker 2: four to thirty six hours before we find out who

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Speaker 2: will actually be standing in the second round of the elections.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this big shot that Marine Lapan's national rallies

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Speaker 2: scored what one in three votes for the first round

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Speaker 2: of the legislative elections, but no one really expected it

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Speaker 2: to be quite that high. I I sort of thought

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Speaker 2: it might be, but no one really put it at

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Speaker 2: that high. So it's almost like it's always that France

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Speaker 2: came to the edge of the cliff, looked over the wops.

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Speaker 2: We don't really want to go there. But still this

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Speaker 2: uncertainty as to what's going to what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: next weekend. But what we're looking at now, Mike, is

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Speaker 2: there's scrambling among all the other parties to form alliances

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Speaker 2: to decide on tactical voting, because we've got that huge

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Speaker 2: block on the left, the Popular Front, which has come

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Speaker 2: away with a lot of votes, a lot of possible

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Speaker 2: treasure there. But they've come together with Macron's party and

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Speaker 2: they're now deciding which of their candidates will will withdraw

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Speaker 2: from the race because in the runoff some of them

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Speaker 2: have got three candidates. So what they're now deciding is

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Speaker 2: between the two of them who will withdraw from the

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Speaker 2: race that will give the under the candidate as strong

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Speaker 2: a chance of coming in ahead of the national rally.

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Speaker 2: So that's where we are tonight's we're looking at having

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Speaker 2: what three hundred and six runoffs at the week next weekend,

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Speaker 2: we've got two hundred more coming, you know it. The

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Speaker 2: only people that seem to be happy about the moment, Mike,

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Speaker 2: the financial markets who were so pleased that Mahin Lapen

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Speaker 2: didn't win an absolute majority in that first round.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question, as they do all

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Speaker 1: of these mad deals, do people see this as a

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Speaker 1: jurymanded type system and do as a voter, you know

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Speaker 1: what you're actually getting when you go to vote for

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Speaker 1: somebody who's done a deal with somebody who may represent

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Speaker 1: something or may not.

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Speaker 2: Well not at the moment, Mike, it's still regarded as

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Speaker 2: you doing your patriotic duty, that you're standing up against

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Speaker 2: the forces of the far right. But you're quite right

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Speaker 2: to point that out, make because we've had now two

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Speaker 2: presidential elections in a row where you've had Mahine Lapan

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Speaker 2: and the runoff, and everyone said, you cannot vote for

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Speaker 2: the far right. It is just a step too far

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Speaker 2: and people having to vote for someone because they just

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Speaker 2: don't like them, but they need to keep the far

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Speaker 2: in outs. Yeah, you do hear that a lot, and

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Speaker 2: you particularly hear a lot in the in younger voters

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Speaker 2: who are saying, well, look, I'm actually more interested in

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Speaker 2: ecological issues, you're interested in cost of living, interested in jobs,

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Speaker 2: and we're having to put all this on hold to

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Speaker 2: not allow far right to get into powers. So you

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Speaker 2: are hearing that, but for the moment, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's what everyone's saying is it's a patrio duty to

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Speaker 2: make sure that you are voting for someone who isn't

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Speaker 2: the far right.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, is that the biggest cock up

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Speaker 1: in the history of cockups for Macron in calling an election,

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Speaker 1: he didn't need to call.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it. This is it is completely backfired.

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Speaker 2: It says stain on his record. He didn't need to

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Speaker 2: do this. There was this talk that he might dissolve

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Speaker 2: parliament in the autumn, but he didn't need to do that.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just a stain on his record, Mike,

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Speaker 2: It's more that the whole landscape has just swept away

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Speaker 2: everything that Macron bought in back in twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 2: bring him in. And he's got at best three more

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Speaker 2: years of having a parliament where you've got two blocks,

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Speaker 2: the far left and the far right in parliament. He

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Speaker 2: just to test one another. So best case scenario is

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Speaker 2: have uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: So, given France have just beaten Belgium, are you going

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Speaker 1: all the way and does that solve everything?

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. Have you seen any of these batches,

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Speaker 2: it's just been a poorly I mean, most of the

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Speaker 2: French goals in this tournament make have been scored. Have

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Speaker 2: you owned goals? And I noticed the French commentators, we're

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Speaker 2: just saying when France went through on this one, which

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Speaker 2: was an own goal scored by Belgium, they're saying, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, own goals seems to have been the best

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Speaker 2: scorer for France in this tournament so far.

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Speaker 1: To see you, Catherine, appreciate it very much. Just a

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Speaker 1: quick note, by the way, that Badella, who's the twenty

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Speaker 1: eight year old marine Lapenz picked the prime minister. He

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Speaker 1: will only take the job if he gets to eighty

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Speaker 1: nine seats or the party gets to eighty nine seats,

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Speaker 1: which is the majority. Generally speaking, it is thought they

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Speaker 1: won't get there, which means he won't take the job,

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Speaker 1: which means we are in as of this coming Sunday

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Speaker 1: for a stalemate, but that is yet to unfold. For

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