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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to News Talks ed V. Jack

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Speaker 3: Tame live with you this morning out of Washington, d C,

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Speaker 3: the US capital, Three and a half days from what

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Speaker 3: I think is probably the single most contentious election in

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Speaker 3: modern American history. Massive three and a half days, four

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Speaker 3: days here ahead as we count down to election day itself.

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Speaker 3: But before that, of course, we have a massive weekend

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Speaker 3: of sport. We've got the All Blacks taking on England

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Speaker 3: A League. Can't wait for that, Auckland FC taking on

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Speaker 3: the Phoenix tonight. And hey, the Black HAPs dare I

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Speaker 3: believe they might make it three from three in India.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna look at all that very shortly. Plus we've

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Speaker 3: got your film picks for the week before ten o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Right now it is eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 2: Team Who's gonna win? Ugh?

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Speaker 3: How I wish I could tell you from here in

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Speaker 3: the heart of Washington, d C. I am happy to

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Speaker 3: be humble this morning. I really think that anyone who

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Speaker 3: says with supreme confidence or with a sense of certainty

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Speaker 3: that they know who the next president of the US

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Speaker 3: is going to be is honestly just blagging. I don't

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Speaker 3: think anyone knows. But it's interesting. I have spent the

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Speaker 3: from a Donald Trump rally in Atlanta to Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 3: closing argument in front of the White House. Now I've

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Speaker 3: spoken with African American voters backing Donald Trump, new migrant

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Speaker 3: voters voting for the first time, abortion rights advocates, business owners,

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Speaker 3: a cryptocurrency organizer, and a professor of constitutional law. And

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Speaker 3: I think one of the consistent qualities across all of

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Speaker 3: this race to be over. But here is what I

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Speaker 3: think could be the qualities that ultimately define the contest.

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Speaker 3: Number One, I reckon this is a massive one to

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Speaker 3: a sixteen or seventeen point difference between male and female

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Speaker 3: preferences in this election. More than sixty million votes have

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Speaker 3: already been cast, and given that we still have a

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Speaker 3: very likely that more than half of voters will cast

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Speaker 3: vote's cast so far, women are voting at much higher

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Speaker 3: votes have been cast by women, forty five percent by men.

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Speaker 3: A married couple who are really good friends of mine

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Speaker 3: experience this firsthand. So he loves Donald Trump. She absolutely

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Speaker 3: loathes him. They kind of just agree to mostly avoid

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Speaker 3: talking politics at home. But something similar must be playing

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Speaker 3: out in tens of thousands of American households. Donald Trump's

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Speaker 3: strategy relies on turning out heaps of young men, hence

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Speaker 3: the bro podcasts that he's been doing, hence his attendance

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Speaker 3: And you'd have to say it is a risky strategy

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Speaker 3: most likely not to vote. But look, I've been doing

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Speaker 3: this long enough to know that Donald Trump has made

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Speaker 3: the economy always factors in people's choices. But aside from that,

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Speaker 3: and aside from Donald Trump's character, there are two highly

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Speaker 3: motivating issues in the selection. Number one is border security

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump absolutely hammers the border issue. Similarly, Karmala Harris

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Speaker 3: third factor that I think we should keep an eye

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Speaker 3: New Zealand time, I reckon it is pretty unlikely that

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Speaker 3: Sixteen minutes past nine on newstalk 'bu were Jack Tame

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Speaker 3: broadcasting live out of Washington, d C. This morning. Get Ajack.

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Speaker 3: I've put one thousand dollars on the fact that Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is going to win on Tuesday, says Ben. So

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Speaker 3: there's been Ben is one of these people who's feeling

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Speaker 3: on this race so far, Jack, really enjoying your reports

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Speaker 3: from the US. Feels like a really, really tense time.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Jack, I thought we should stick with the

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Speaker 4: Are you are you happy to Yeah?

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Speaker 4: First one, is Trump's popularity still a mystery to Democrat

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Speaker 3: Okay, great question. I think many of them have a

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Speaker 3: So I think democrats understand that. Now. That being said,

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, would you accept that Trump's popularity is still

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Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of Kiwis who would

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Speaker 4: You've sort of answered my next question really was, which

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Speaker 4: is have you talked to intelligent Trump supporters? You know,

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Speaker 4: good people and got any new insights from them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, Jack. That's great information.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure, Kevin. Great to chat with you. As always.

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Speaker 3: Just going up to nine thirty on News Talks edb

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Speaker 3: our Sporto. Andrew Saville is here and sav All backs

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Speaker 3: England twicken Am four o'clock and tomorrow morning and Boden

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Hi Jack, I hope all well, hope all's well

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Speaker 7: If they win or whoever wins, this game should be

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Speaker 3: Talk about a humble man.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the weekend, like you're saying, glassive weekend of sport

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Speaker 3: and NEWSBALKSB is gonna have live coverage of the All

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack came, Wow,

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Speaker 3: what has happened to you? A changed man? The best

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Speaker 3: well rounded, informative, non biased political discussion I had ever

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Speaker 3: heard you give. It's going to double check at that

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Speaker 3: That is Lady Hawk. She's just she's done an amazing thing.

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Speaker 3: I think Lady Hawk, she's really kind of captured the

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Speaker 3: essence of eighties pop given a little twist and yes,

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Speaker 3: some extraordinary music. She is our feature interview after ten

436
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Speaker 3: o'clock this morning. She is going back to her first

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Speaker 3: ever album as Lady Hawk, and she's going to be

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Speaker 3: performing that live, so we're going to talk to her

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Speaker 3: about that after ten o'clock. Very much looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Right now, THO, it's twenty two minutes to ten. Francisca Runken,

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Speaker 3: our film reviewer, is with us this morning.

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Speaker 9: Morning that good morning.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Both of your films for us this week are

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Speaker 3: showing in cinemas at the moment, so let's start off

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Speaker 3: with the one starring Robin Wright and Tom Hanks. This

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Speaker 3: is here.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Dad, they didn't meet Margaret.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet from Laura.

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Speaker 9: Nice to meet you, mister young.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you like, you could spend the rest

451
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Speaker 2: of your night here.

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Speaker 11: I just spend the rest of my life here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is here, tell us about it, Francisca.

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Speaker 12: Okay. So this is directed by Robert Zemeckis and he

455
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Speaker 12: reunites with his Forest Gump cast, Tom Hanks and Robin

456
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Speaker 12: Wright in this film. And the gimmick here is that

457
00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:19,453
Speaker 12: the film is set on one piece of land which

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Speaker 12: then becomes once a house is built, one living room

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Speaker 12: of a house over decades, and we take a look

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Speaker 12: at the different people who have lived in this house

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Speaker 12: and on this land. So we kind of travel through

462
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Speaker 12: time capturing all these historic moments. It's one locked off

463
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Speaker 12: shot inside this living room, Jack. And it turns out

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Speaker 12: I find that hugely frustrating to watch, probably because it

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Speaker 12: sets the film up as a piece of theater. It

466
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Speaker 12: creates a theater environment. So the cast, which is exceptional, amazing.

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Speaker 9: Names in this cast.

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Speaker 12: They all have to act towards the camera, but of

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Speaker 12: course can't look at the camera. So it's like a

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Speaker 12: group of actors on a stage and they're all overacting.

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Speaker 12: There's fake laughing. It's just it did my head. And

472
00:26:16,773 --> 00:26:19,733
Speaker 12: there's nothing natialistic about this film at all. So they're

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Speaker 12: all performing while avoiding this camera, and you've got this

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Speaker 12: locked off shop. I hadn't quite realized how that locked

475
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Speaker 12: off shop can distance you from what is going on.

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Speaker 12: It made this film quite cold and really hard to

477
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Speaker 12: kind of interact with it, and I was just begging

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Speaker 12: for that camera to move. So I think because of

479
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Speaker 12: the setup, because of the way it's kind of designed.

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Speaker 12: This would be so cool if it was a visual

481
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Speaker 12: display in a museum kind of taking you through history,

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Speaker 12: but as a drama that we're supposed to sort of

483
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Speaker 12: engage and get this feeling for time and these historic

484
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Speaker 12: events and family and place and how generations have changed

485
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Speaker 12: but still say the same, all these really interesting ideas,

486
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Speaker 12: but it's just so for us straighting to watch. Thanksgiving

487
00:27:08,573 --> 00:27:10,533
Speaker 12: is coming up, of course in the US, and I

488
00:27:10,733 --> 00:27:13,133
Speaker 12: wonder whether it is kind of more to appeal to

489
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Speaker 12: that audience a bit of you.

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Speaker 9: Know, being grateful for family and home and where we are.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not sure. I just thought this was such

492
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Speaker 12: a waste of a great cast and just I mean,

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Speaker 12: we go through everything we have. We have a Native

494
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Speaker 12: American courtship, we have the the the Franklin family during

495
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Speaker 12: the Civil War. There's the inventor of the lazy Boy.

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Speaker 12: I don't know why he made the cut. And then

497
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Speaker 12: we sort of have this family, which is where Tom

498
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Speaker 12: Hanks and Robin Wright come in, and they use that

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Speaker 12: anti aging software they have that we've seen used in

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Speaker 12: films before Jack. So they play these characters very young,

501
00:27:47,933 --> 00:27:50,093
Speaker 12: grown up, but at they're just really just a very normal,

502
00:27:50,173 --> 00:27:53,813
Speaker 12: boring marriage. I didn't really get anything from it. So yeah,

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Speaker 12: I was just a bit disappointed in this little number.

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Speaker 3: A glowing review, A glowing review of.

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Speaker 6: Ah.

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Speaker 3: That's a shame, though, because when I saw Robin write

507
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Speaker 3: and Tom Hanks, I was like, oh my gosh, that's

508
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Speaker 3: so exciting. Yeah, but in fact I was actually, you know,

509
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Speaker 3: I'm here in Washington, d C. I went for a

510
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Speaker 3: run last night past the Lincoln Memorial, you know, which

511
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Speaker 3: is the one that looks the reflecting Paul. And every

512
00:28:16,413 --> 00:28:18,733
Speaker 3: time I go past here, I think about Forest Gump,

513
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Speaker 3: and I think about that moment.

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Speaker 9: She dives in runs up yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it sounds like it sounds like here doesn't

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Speaker 3: really have the same kind of iconic Well, yeah, Jack,

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Speaker 3: I think if you.

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Speaker 12: Maybe, if you do really enjoy theater, then you'll enjoy

519
00:28:36,253 --> 00:28:37,773
Speaker 12: the film. That's quite a positive.

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Speaker 6: There we go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, very good. All right, So that is

522
00:28:40,773 --> 00:28:44,173
Speaker 3: here that is showing in cinemas now also showing in cinemas.

523
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Speaker 3: This is a different man.

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Speaker 13: What's your name?

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Speaker 9: Oh hey, neighbor.

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Speaker 14: People can be cruel, I imagic.

527
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Speaker 2: This drug seems to have the potential to actually heal you.

528
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Speaker 2: The implications life changing, and I believe my.

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Speaker 9: All.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a different man, tell us about it, Francisco.

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Speaker 12: So this film stars Sebastian stan who is doing a

532
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Speaker 12: really interesting body of work at the moment. Most people

533
00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:23,693
Speaker 12: will know him as the Winter Soldier from the Marvel films,

534
00:29:24,173 --> 00:29:27,093
Speaker 12: and sort of after spending fifteen years in the Marvel

535
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Speaker 12: universe and getting those wonderful paychecks, it's given him an

536
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Speaker 12: opportunity to kind of pick some edgy independent films. And

537
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Speaker 12: he's currently starring this film and also playing Trump in

538
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Speaker 12: The Apprentice, which is on at cinemas at the moment

539
00:29:38,373 --> 00:29:40,893
Speaker 12: as well. And he is a wanna be actor, and

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Speaker 12: he has a condition that means that his face is

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Speaker 12: covered in tumors. He's got this very disfigured face, and

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Speaker 12: he gets the opportunity to join an experimental medical study

543
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Speaker 12: and he jumps at this chance because there's a possibility

544
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Speaker 12: he could be cured. It's incredibly painful process, but it

545
00:29:58,333 --> 00:30:01,453
Speaker 12: works and it transforms his appearance into a good look

546
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Speaker 12: and average guy. So he changes his name from Edward

547
00:30:05,453 --> 00:30:07,893
Speaker 12: to Guy and he gets on with his life. But

548
00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:10,053
Speaker 12: this is sort of a film that takes the lock

549
00:30:10,093 --> 00:30:15,773
Speaker 12: at the idea of identity and beauty and sort of

550
00:30:15,813 --> 00:30:21,013
Speaker 12: being your authentic self and being physically beautiful isn't all

551
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Speaker 12: sort of it's jacked up to be. He feels he's

552
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Speaker 12: lost his identity and this becomes really apparent when he

553
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:30,493
Speaker 12: discovers his old neighbor who had a bit of a

554
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Speaker 12: crush on when he was Edward, and she has written

555
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Speaker 12: a play based on him, about a man who lives

556
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Speaker 12: with this disfigurement. So he goes and he says, I

557
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Speaker 12: have to play this part. So he gets the part,

558
00:30:41,613 --> 00:30:44,813
Speaker 12: only to end up losing the part to another gentleman

559
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Speaker 12: played by Adam Pearson, who is actually disfigured, so he

560
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Speaker 12: has this huge kind of crisis of identity. This is

561
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Speaker 12: out there, This is out there. It's a black comedy.

562
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Speaker 12: It's really edgy, it's very clever, really interesting things. It's

563
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Speaker 12: very unique. I love the fact that something a little

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Speaker 12: bit different and tackles a really interesting topic in a

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Speaker 12: different way. And Seas and Stand is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: U Okay, great, that sounds like a bit of me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that franchise, because so that's

568
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Speaker 3: a different man. Francisca's first film, the one with Tom

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Speaker 3: Hanks and Robin Wright, is here, and of course both

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Speaker 3: of those will be up on the News Talk's EDB website.

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Speaker 3: They're showing cinemas at the moment. So if you are

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Speaker 3: feeling like you just want to stay at home, you

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Speaker 3: just want to veg out on the caps this weekend

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Speaker 3: after ten o'clock, we've got our screen time recommendations for

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Speaker 3: this week, so the shows to watch and stream at home.

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Speaker 3: And there's this new show called A Remarkable Place to

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Speaker 3: Die that we're going to tell you about. It's a

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Speaker 3: New Zealand made murder mystery. You can probably guess where

579
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Speaker 3: it's set from that title. A remarkable place to die.

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you more about that very shortly. Food next though.

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Speaker 3: Quarter to ten on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 1: As the election heats up, It's Saturday Mornings with Jack

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your messages this morning, Jack.

586
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Speaker 3: Can we send you texts if you're in the USA,

587
00:32:02,933 --> 00:32:05,453
Speaker 3: You certainly can. God love technology when it works. Jack,

588
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Speaker 3: Absolutely love your content this morning. It is an absolutely

589
00:32:08,213 --> 00:32:12,413
Speaker 3: fascinating contest between Donald Trump and Karmala Harris. I'm back

590
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Speaker 3: in Krmala Harris. Don't understand how anyone could vote for

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Jack, My wife and I are huge Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump fans. Thank you for your comments this morning. I

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Speaker 3: feel like it's helped some other people to understand why

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Speaker 3: he is such a good candidate. There is one curious

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Speaker 3: thing I think with Donald Trump, and I've been asking

596
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Speaker 3: people about it this week, that if you put all

597
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Speaker 3: the policies to one side, if you put all of

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Speaker 3: the candidate's personal qualities to one side, one thing I

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Speaker 3: find really interesting and I always as ask Donald Trump's

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Speaker 3: abort us about it is democracy. Did they believe the

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Speaker 3: last election was fair because they went through all sorts

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Speaker 3: of legal processes here, and of course nothing has been

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Speaker 3: proven in terms of election interference. But Donald Trump continues

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Speaker 3: to claim that the last election was stolen from him,

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Speaker 3: and I think that if you put all of those

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Speaker 3: other things to one side, that that is still something

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Speaker 3: that I find it hard to reconcile, find it hard

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Speaker 3: to see how people can accept that. I asked my

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Speaker 3: maid about it the other day, the big Trump supporter.

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Speaker 3: I said, oh, do you think the last election was fair?

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Speaker 3: And when he answered, it became obvious to me that clearly,

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00:33:18,373 --> 00:33:22,253
Speaker 3: again we are in different information ecosystems, and I think

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Speaker 3: that's one of the big problems here that people are

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Speaker 3: kind of in bubbles, both on the Democrat side and

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Speaker 3: on the Republican side, and there's just not much crossover

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Anyway, I'll get tomorrow feedback very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Now it is time to talk food. In our cook

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Speaker 3: nicki Wickx is with us this morning. Niki barbecue pizza.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, I've felt a little bit nervous

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Speaker 3: about this one, only because barbecues don't usually get that hot,

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Speaker 3: do they?

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Speaker 2: They do?

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Speaker 15: So good morning, Jack, Yes, they absolutely do get that hot.

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Speaker 15: I mean, these days people have those hooded barbecues and

625
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Speaker 15: they're just like an outdoor kitchen.

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Speaker 6: To be honest.

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Speaker 15: And I have just got a new one, and I've

628
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Speaker 15: always cooked on an old one that didn't.

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Speaker 10: Have a hood.

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Speaker 15: But now my whole world has opened up to me

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Speaker 15: and now it's like this red hot pizza oven I

632
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Speaker 15: need it to be, which is amazing.

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Speaker 3: That being said, though, the moment you lift the hood,

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Speaker 3: you lose all of the heat instantly, right, So if

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Speaker 3: you're running and then you lift it and it's okay,

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Speaker 3: it's going to take a couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:34:17,893 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 3: exactly exactly.

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Speaker 15: But you know, pizza, according to Italian tradition, should only

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Speaker 15: take I think it's something like seventy seconds or ninety

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Speaker 15: seconds to cook. So I mean if we leave it

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Speaker 15: on for a bit longer, I think we're still winning.

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Speaker 15: So look, I've taken all sorts of shortcuts here, including

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Speaker 15: cooking it on a barbecue. You get that barbecue. Look,

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Speaker 15: you could use an oven for this, but were wanting

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Speaker 15: it to get up to about two twenty something like

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Speaker 15: that degree celsius. And what I've actually used, Jack, is

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Speaker 15: I've taken a large sort of Turkish pee day or

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Speaker 15: one of those lovely big flat breads I would work

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Speaker 15: for Kutcha. But you take the top crust off, so

650
00:34:51,653 --> 00:34:54,693
Speaker 15: that then it's kind of open for flavors. Hello, open

651
00:34:54,773 --> 00:34:57,573
Speaker 15: for business. You can turn that little bit of crust

652
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Speaker 15: into some of the bread crumbs, and then all I

653
00:35:00,213 --> 00:35:02,573
Speaker 15: do is spoon over a couple of big dollars, maybe

654
00:35:02,613 --> 00:35:04,853
Speaker 15: half a cup of cream fresh and you sort of

655
00:35:04,973 --> 00:35:08,253
Speaker 15: just spoon that cover off that exposed bread. Half a

656
00:35:08,333 --> 00:35:10,493
Speaker 15: cup of grated cheese. I use parnishan, but you could

657
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Speaker 15: use some grated mozzarella.

658
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Speaker 5: No problem.

659
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Speaker 15: This particular pizza, I.

660
00:35:14,253 --> 00:35:17,933
Speaker 16: Decided to make fongi all things mushrooms that whole are

661
00:35:17,973 --> 00:35:22,693
Speaker 16: two cups of sliced mushrooms, but mushrooms, brown portabello ones

662
00:35:22,853 --> 00:35:25,613
Speaker 16: was beautiful, some sprigs of rose.

663
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Speaker 15: We just toss all of those over that that sort

664
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Speaker 15: of cheese spread that you've made. Scatter over a bit

665
00:35:30,813 --> 00:35:34,173
Speaker 15: more grated cheese on top, some herbs, some good amount

666
00:35:34,173 --> 00:35:36,213
Speaker 15: of salt and pepper, a decent drizzle of olive oil,

667
00:35:36,453 --> 00:35:39,173
Speaker 15: and as you say, what that barbecue chop off and

668
00:35:39,253 --> 00:35:41,093
Speaker 15: then a lot of the ones with the hogs. They

669
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Speaker 15: have this extra rack kind of that's above the barbecue plates.

670
00:35:45,093 --> 00:35:48,013
Speaker 15: So the trick is to pop your pizza bread on

671
00:35:48,133 --> 00:35:49,813
Speaker 15: that doesn't have to go on a tin or anything,

672
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Speaker 15: because the bread's quite sturdy, and then bake it off,

673
00:35:53,413 --> 00:35:56,253
Speaker 15: leave it for about ten minutes, maybe fifteen. It'll be

674
00:35:56,373 --> 00:35:57,453
Speaker 15: bubbling the crystal.

675
00:35:57,653 --> 00:35:59,653
Speaker 12: You know. It's like a deep dish pizza.

676
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Speaker 15: I suppose you being in America made me think of it.

677
00:36:03,573 --> 00:36:05,733
Speaker 15: And then as soon as it comes out, I crumble

678
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Speaker 15: over some blue for this particular one, scatter over some

679
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:12,373
Speaker 15: parsley and get into it. It's amazing. But of course

680
00:36:12,453 --> 00:36:14,413
Speaker 15: the toppings can be endless.

681
00:36:15,213 --> 00:36:17,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course no they can. Yeah, that sounds

682
00:36:17,813 --> 00:36:21,253
Speaker 3: that sounds superb. Thank you so much, Nikki. My parents

683
00:36:21,373 --> 00:36:24,013
Speaker 3: always do that, always cook big Turkish pda on the

684
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Speaker 3: on the barbecue, and I mean you can. There's no

685
00:36:26,453 --> 00:36:28,213
Speaker 3: such thing as too much olive oil and garlic as

686
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Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned. So whether or not you cut

687
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Speaker 3: the top off or not, you can kind of score

688
00:36:31,973 --> 00:36:34,253
Speaker 3: the bread as well. Cooking it in the barbecue makes

689
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Speaker 3: suuch a difference. So we're going to make sure that

690
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Speaker 3: Nicky's recipe there for her fungy pizza Bread on the

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Speaker 3: for your feedback. Jack, really enjoyed your comments this morning

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Speaker 3: and explanation of the Donald Trump phenomenon. I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: A big reason, Jack, is that the support from Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump comes from economic issues, especially industry and manufacturing. I

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Speaker 3: Harris and Donald Trump rallies this week. After ten o'clock though,

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Speaker 3: our feature interview this morning is Kiwi music legend Lady Hawk.

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Speaker 3: She is going back and playing that first album of hers,

731
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Speaker 3: Lady Hawk, with all the bangers. She's going to explain

732
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Speaker 3: why very shortly. I'm looking forward to catching up to her.

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame and this is news Dog Zed be.

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Speaker 2: Live from the campaign trail in the US.

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738
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Speaker 11: Still still.

739
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Speaker 3: What a jam. The year is two thousand and nine.

740
00:39:45,373 --> 00:39:47,893
Speaker 3: You turn on the radio and yeah, the moment you

741
00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:49,973
Speaker 3: hear that, you know who it is. That is Lady

742
00:39:50,053 --> 00:39:53,533
Speaker 3: Hawk of course aka Pitt Brown. She stormed to number

743
00:39:53,573 --> 00:39:55,533
Speaker 3: one on the New Zealand album charts with her self

744
00:39:55,613 --> 00:39:59,133
Speaker 3: titled debut and this hit song, and it led to

745
00:39:59,253 --> 00:40:03,213
Speaker 3: a s new of music awards, international tours, a couple

746
00:40:03,373 --> 00:40:06,333
Speaker 3: more albums in the years since. The thing about Lady

747
00:40:06,413 --> 00:40:10,573
Speaker 3: Hawk because she cleverly blends those eighties influencers with modern

748
00:40:10,653 --> 00:40:13,373
Speaker 3: indie rock, and now she is circling back to play

749
00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:17,093
Speaker 3: her entire debut album at the upcoming others Way Festival

750
00:40:17,213 --> 00:40:20,573
Speaker 3: in Tarmaki, Makoto, Auckland. Lady Hawk aka Pit is with

751
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Speaker 3: us this morning.

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Speaker 11: Calda, good morning, Yoda, thank you for having me.

753
00:40:23,453 --> 00:40:26,653
Speaker 3: It's so good to be seeing you, and so exciting

754
00:40:26,853 --> 00:40:29,253
Speaker 3: to know that you are going to be playing Lady

755
00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:31,533
Speaker 3: Hawk as Lady Hawk. So you're going to be playing

756
00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:36,853
Speaker 3: your album as Lady Hawk, your first album. Why why

757
00:40:36,933 --> 00:40:38,253
Speaker 3: do you want to turn back the hands of time?

758
00:40:39,093 --> 00:40:41,973
Speaker 11: It's been sort of a thing for me I wanted

759
00:40:41,973 --> 00:40:45,333
Speaker 11: to do. It's like, first of all, it's an anniversary.

760
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Speaker 11: I'm like fifteen years.

761
00:40:46,733 --> 00:40:51,173
Speaker 17: I don't yeah, yeah, I mean it feels like two

762
00:40:51,253 --> 00:40:55,293
Speaker 17: years ago to me, But yeah, I just thought. I

763
00:40:55,373 --> 00:40:57,093
Speaker 17: knew I had a few tours and a few shows

764
00:40:57,133 --> 00:40:58,573
Speaker 17: coming up this year, and I thought, why don't I

765
00:40:58,693 --> 00:41:02,133
Speaker 17: do something special and do the first record front to back.

766
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Speaker 11: There's a couple of songs on it that I'd never.

767
00:41:04,093 --> 00:41:07,773
Speaker 17: Played live, but really, so yeah, I just of I

768
00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:10,053
Speaker 17: don't know why I never did, but yeah, so that's

769
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Speaker 17: been really nice for me to Well do.

770
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Speaker 3: You have any sense as to Wade?

771
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Speaker 12: I don't know.

772
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Speaker 17: No, some of them I think in my brain, Like

773
00:41:17,493 --> 00:41:19,573
Speaker 17: when that first record came out, I was always like, well,

774
00:41:19,573 --> 00:41:21,653
Speaker 17: I've got to play just the upbeat ones, you know,

775
00:41:21,893 --> 00:41:24,533
Speaker 17: oh yeah, slower ones no, because I always thought I

776
00:41:24,613 --> 00:41:26,173
Speaker 17: have to keep the crowd excited.

777
00:41:25,853 --> 00:41:28,213
Speaker 11: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, now I'm like, I'm sure

778
00:41:28,253 --> 00:41:30,533
Speaker 11: they'll enjoy the slower ones. And actually, now that I

779
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,093
Speaker 11: play these songs, I'm like, they're not slow at all.

780
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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Light and Shade anyway, isn't it. Yeah,

781
00:41:36,173 --> 00:41:36,693
Speaker 3: Light and Shade.

782
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

783
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Speaker 3: So you've been playing because you've toured Australia this year,

784
00:41:39,533 --> 00:41:41,653
Speaker 3: right yeah, in the UK? Yeah right, so and you've

785
00:41:41,693 --> 00:41:44,493
Speaker 3: played this to those audiences. How do they how do

786
00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:45,013
Speaker 3: they receive it?

787
00:41:45,213 --> 00:41:45,333
Speaker 18: Oh?

788
00:41:45,533 --> 00:41:49,093
Speaker 17: So Stokeday, everyone's just like really happy and I love

789
00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:52,253
Speaker 17: looking out and seeing everyone singing along. And I know

790
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:54,253
Speaker 17: it's a bit of a nostalgia trip for people, which

791
00:41:54,293 --> 00:41:55,813
Speaker 17: is which is awesome for me too.

792
00:41:56,493 --> 00:41:58,933
Speaker 3: Is it a nostalgia trip? I suppose it is, Like

793
00:41:58,973 --> 00:41:59,493
Speaker 3: you said, I like.

794
00:41:59,493 --> 00:42:01,413
Speaker 11: That you're questioning it though, because it makes me feel better.

795
00:42:02,013 --> 00:42:04,693
Speaker 3: I mean it's you know, you and I are of

796
00:42:04,773 --> 00:42:08,333
Speaker 3: a similar Ilken age, and I think young yea, yeah, exactly,

797
00:42:08,453 --> 00:42:13,693
Speaker 3: incredibly youthful, incredibly vibrant. I mean, describe to us what

798
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:16,093
Speaker 3: your life was like then when when you wrote this

799
00:42:16,133 --> 00:42:17,773
Speaker 3: album for the first time, Like, take us back, what

800
00:42:18,293 --> 00:42:21,413
Speaker 3: was Lady Hawk's life at that point? Two thousand and eight,

801
00:42:21,413 --> 00:42:22,613
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, right, Yeah.

802
00:42:22,493 --> 00:42:25,493
Speaker 17: So I probably wrote it. I wrote the record probably

803
00:42:25,533 --> 00:42:28,453
Speaker 17: two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and then

804
00:42:28,493 --> 00:42:31,453
Speaker 17: it was the singles were sort of released in two

805
00:42:31,493 --> 00:42:32,093
Speaker 17: thousand and eight.

806
00:42:32,253 --> 00:42:35,613
Speaker 11: My life over those couple of years was like the

807
00:42:35,693 --> 00:42:39,253
Speaker 11: build up was like this isn't actually happening?

808
00:42:39,373 --> 00:42:39,453
Speaker 12: Is it?

809
00:42:39,613 --> 00:42:41,573
Speaker 11: Like that was me every day like wait, these people

810
00:42:41,693 --> 00:42:44,893
Speaker 11: like my music. I just couldn't. Honestly, I was just

811
00:42:45,013 --> 00:42:46,013
Speaker 11: doing what I loved.

812
00:42:45,853 --> 00:42:49,573
Speaker 17: And I every step everything that happened, I kind of

813
00:42:49,693 --> 00:42:52,093
Speaker 17: was in shock, like no one prepares you for anything.

814
00:42:52,373 --> 00:42:53,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I didn't.

815
00:42:54,773 --> 00:42:57,173
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was it was. It was it was hazy,

816
00:42:57,453 --> 00:42:59,893
Speaker 11: you know, like everything was just happening so fast, and.

817
00:43:01,933 --> 00:43:04,253
Speaker 17: Yeah, for me, I look back and I think about

818
00:43:04,293 --> 00:43:06,893
Speaker 17: that time, I'm like, I wasn't ready to be perceived.

819
00:43:07,373 --> 00:43:09,853
Speaker 3: I think that's what was interesting. What do you what

820
00:43:09,973 --> 00:43:10,413
Speaker 3: I mean by that?

821
00:43:11,293 --> 00:43:14,133
Speaker 17: People that I don't know perceiving me in a way,

822
00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:15,853
Speaker 17: you know what I mean? Like that was a that

823
00:43:16,053 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 17: was something that I was like, oh my god. I

824
00:43:18,733 --> 00:43:20,613
Speaker 17: went from being you know, playing in indie bands and

825
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:24,053
Speaker 17: being guitarist or whatever and just having loads of fun

826
00:43:24,133 --> 00:43:27,613
Speaker 17: and to doing this project which I put poured my

827
00:43:27,693 --> 00:43:30,053
Speaker 17: heart and soul into but I really didn't think ahead

828
00:43:30,413 --> 00:43:33,213
Speaker 17: just in case it did. Well, you know, I didn't

829
00:43:33,253 --> 00:43:36,373
Speaker 17: think that would happen, So I wasn't prepared. It's like

830
00:43:36,453 --> 00:43:38,493
Speaker 17: they need to give you lessons or something, or like

831
00:43:38,773 --> 00:43:41,373
Speaker 17: like you know what's going to happen, Like, oh, strangers

832
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,093
Speaker 17: are going to be listening to your music.

833
00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:45,013
Speaker 11: I'm like what, No, surely not.

834
00:43:45,813 --> 00:43:49,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, And did you find that, Like how did you

835
00:43:49,373 --> 00:43:51,693
Speaker 3: react to that when you realize that people were perceiving

836
00:43:51,733 --> 00:43:52,013
Speaker 3: it to you?

837
00:43:52,653 --> 00:43:57,013
Speaker 17: I found it very difficult. Yeah, I it almost ended

838
00:43:57,133 --> 00:44:00,613
Speaker 17: my career, Like I almost stopped doing music. It was

839
00:44:00,733 --> 00:44:03,373
Speaker 17: so much for me to take. So after the first record,

840
00:44:03,533 --> 00:44:06,813
Speaker 17: I found it very hard and I sort of treated

841
00:44:06,893 --> 00:44:10,213
Speaker 17: them to myself and I was very close to giving up.

842
00:44:10,693 --> 00:44:11,333
Speaker 3: Are you serious?

843
00:44:11,453 --> 00:44:11,613
Speaker 2: Yeah?

844
00:44:11,613 --> 00:44:15,893
Speaker 3: I'm serious, because people, I mean, the kind of cliche

845
00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:20,093
Speaker 3: is that people dream of international stuff and their wolves

846
00:44:20,173 --> 00:44:23,293
Speaker 3: being clad with Grammy Awards and all that kind of thing. Right, Yeah,

847
00:44:23,973 --> 00:44:27,213
Speaker 3: but it sounds like that first of all, wasn't necessarily

848
00:44:27,293 --> 00:44:30,093
Speaker 3: a motivator in any way, but also was kind of

849
00:44:30,253 --> 00:44:30,853
Speaker 3: a bad thing.

850
00:44:31,373 --> 00:44:31,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

851
00:44:32,213 --> 00:44:35,893
Speaker 17: Definitely something I wasn't prepared for. Like I obviously wanted

852
00:44:35,933 --> 00:44:39,213
Speaker 17: to have success with my music. But something that you don't.

853
00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:42,853
Speaker 17: I mean for me anyway, I didn't imagine what it

854
00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:45,013
Speaker 17: was going to be like if that actually happened, if

855
00:44:45,013 --> 00:44:47,853
Speaker 17: the success happened, Because for me, it was like, oh,

856
00:44:47,933 --> 00:44:50,013
Speaker 17: it'll be you know, loads of people will play my

857
00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:51,973
Speaker 17: music on the radio, and people will love, you know,

858
00:44:52,093 --> 00:44:54,053
Speaker 17: buying my record and be listening to it at home

859
00:44:54,133 --> 00:44:55,573
Speaker 17: and stuff. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh,

860
00:44:55,613 --> 00:45:00,293
Speaker 17: hang on, they want to interview you for these magazines,

861
00:45:00,293 --> 00:45:01,613
Speaker 17: and then you're all of a sudden you're on TV,

862
00:45:01,813 --> 00:45:03,973
Speaker 17: and then all this other stuff comes along, and I

863
00:45:04,133 --> 00:45:06,573
Speaker 17: wasn't prepared for any of that. Yeah, I really wish

864
00:45:06,613 --> 00:45:09,493
Speaker 17: there was a crash course, you know that I could.

865
00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:09,853
Speaker 11: Have gone through.

866
00:45:10,093 --> 00:45:12,613
Speaker 3: What was it about it? Do you think that you

867
00:45:12,733 --> 00:45:15,813
Speaker 3: found unpleasant or overwhelming or unnatural?

868
00:45:15,933 --> 00:45:18,093
Speaker 11: I just don't think it's ever been my personality. I

869
00:45:18,213 --> 00:45:19,053
Speaker 11: think I'm quite a.

870
00:45:20,733 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 17: I don't know, it just wasn't. I'm not an extrovert,

871
00:45:24,213 --> 00:45:27,893
Speaker 17: and it wasn't. I know that people can't comprehend that, like,

872
00:45:28,013 --> 00:45:30,293
Speaker 17: but you're a musician, Like, how could you not be

873
00:45:30,293 --> 00:45:35,413
Speaker 17: an extravert? But I just I'm not, And I think

874
00:45:35,493 --> 00:45:37,893
Speaker 17: I was scared of people judging me you know what

875
00:45:37,933 --> 00:45:41,213
Speaker 17: I mean, Like that was the sort of low self

876
00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:44,693
Speaker 17: esteem maybe Kiwi side of me coming out, like, you know,

877
00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:46,573
Speaker 17: am I good enough to be here?

878
00:45:46,773 --> 00:45:46,933
Speaker 12: You know?

879
00:45:47,213 --> 00:45:48,893
Speaker 3: Yeah? And did you feel like that at the time,

880
00:45:48,973 --> 00:45:51,293
Speaker 3: like people were working Lohn?

881
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:53,253
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I was super paranoid.

882
00:45:53,973 --> 00:45:55,893
Speaker 17: But then it's funny because like you get older and

883
00:45:55,973 --> 00:45:58,053
Speaker 17: over the years of you know, I'm making my fifth

884
00:45:58,093 --> 00:46:00,093
Speaker 17: record at the moment, and I've had a cad and

885
00:46:00,333 --> 00:46:01,813
Speaker 17: happened through heaps, I.

886
00:46:01,813 --> 00:46:04,693
Speaker 11: Don't just don't care anymore. Yeah, I really don't care.

887
00:46:04,773 --> 00:46:05,173
Speaker 11: It's great.

888
00:46:05,253 --> 00:46:06,333
Speaker 3: It's refreshing at Yeah.

889
00:46:06,533 --> 00:46:09,733
Speaker 17: Yeah, I have realized that now I'm just like I've

890
00:46:10,053 --> 00:46:12,133
Speaker 17: I don't think I've ever enjoyed music as much as

891
00:46:12,173 --> 00:46:14,533
Speaker 17: I do now, Like, yeah, it's crazy.

892
00:46:14,653 --> 00:46:15,453
Speaker 3: It's like a liberation.

893
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:17,013
Speaker 11: Yeah it is. It's awesome.

894
00:46:17,293 --> 00:46:22,253
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? Yeah? See, I was reflecting on the

895
00:46:22,373 --> 00:46:25,613
Speaker 3: album at the time and knowing that you had kind

896
00:46:25,613 --> 00:46:27,813
Speaker 3: of just written music that you liked. It struck me

897
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:30,813
Speaker 3: that it was really unlike some other musicians. I'm not

898
00:46:31,293 --> 00:46:34,693
Speaker 3: seeing to cast judgment or anyone here, but there was

899
00:46:34,773 --> 00:46:37,933
Speaker 3: nothing about that album that was calculating, like it wasn't

900
00:46:38,013 --> 00:46:40,053
Speaker 3: it wasn't you trying to be like, oh, I really

901
00:46:40,133 --> 00:46:42,733
Speaker 3: want to like find a niche and a sound. It

902
00:46:42,853 --> 00:46:45,533
Speaker 3: wasn't anything like that. It was just like, here's music

903
00:46:45,653 --> 00:46:47,933
Speaker 3: that I enjoy. Yeah, I'm going to make it. And

904
00:46:48,053 --> 00:46:52,173
Speaker 3: then perhaps because of that authenticity the success came. Yeah,

905
00:46:52,293 --> 00:46:52,693
Speaker 3: do you see that?

906
00:46:53,893 --> 00:46:54,773
Speaker 11: Yeah, I totally think so.

907
00:46:54,893 --> 00:46:56,813
Speaker 17: There was a real I was living in Sydney at

908
00:46:56,853 --> 00:46:58,813
Speaker 17: the time when I was writing the record. Well, when

909
00:46:58,853 --> 00:47:01,413
Speaker 17: I first started writing it, I was living in Sydney,

910
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:03,693
Speaker 17: and there was a real scene happening there at the

911
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:07,533
Speaker 17: moment that was really inspiring. It was like, I don't

912
00:47:07,573 --> 00:47:10,213
Speaker 17: know what it was, but it was like since it

913
00:47:10,333 --> 00:47:13,173
Speaker 17: was so cool and like I just loved going out

914
00:47:13,213 --> 00:47:16,453
Speaker 17: to parties with my friends and like listening to all

915
00:47:16,533 --> 00:47:19,413
Speaker 17: the music that was getting played was super eighties and

916
00:47:19,573 --> 00:47:23,133
Speaker 17: like yacht rock was really being you know, embraced in

917
00:47:23,253 --> 00:47:24,213
Speaker 17: like two thousand and six.

918
00:47:24,613 --> 00:47:25,773
Speaker 3: Explain whatcht rock is?

919
00:47:26,253 --> 00:47:29,253
Speaker 11: Like Hall of Notes? Yeah, get your boat shoes on

920
00:47:29,813 --> 00:47:30,933
Speaker 11: saleen in the sunset.

921
00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:35,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think the eighties that maybe there was

922
00:47:35,933 --> 00:47:37,573
Speaker 3: there was something about that time that was kind of

923
00:47:38,053 --> 00:47:39,813
Speaker 3: you know, we were going back a couple of generations

924
00:47:40,093 --> 00:47:42,373
Speaker 3: and yeah, obviously it was a bit of a kind

925
00:47:42,373 --> 00:47:43,133
Speaker 3: of through line for you.

926
00:47:43,293 --> 00:47:46,413
Speaker 17: Yeah, it just like it really hit and I felt

927
00:47:46,493 --> 00:47:48,813
Speaker 17: it was it sort of sit with my voice perfectly

928
00:47:48,853 --> 00:47:52,973
Speaker 17: as well, Like I could just deliver the vocal I wanted.

929
00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:56,173
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I can't really sing any other genre.

930
00:47:56,413 --> 00:47:56,653
Speaker 2: Yeah.

931
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:59,733
Speaker 3: So you said that you're kind of enjoying writing and

932
00:47:59,813 --> 00:48:01,693
Speaker 3: performing music more than ever at the moment.

933
00:48:01,813 --> 00:48:01,973
Speaker 4: Yeah.

934
00:48:02,093 --> 00:48:05,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, And part of that's down to just not giving

935
00:48:05,053 --> 00:48:07,893
Speaker 3: a toss or anything. But what like if you compare

936
00:48:07,973 --> 00:48:10,013
Speaker 3: the way that you're writing back when you wrote Lady

937
00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:12,613
Speaker 3: Hawk to how you are writing and performing now, what

938
00:48:12,773 --> 00:48:14,973
Speaker 3: are the like, what are the differences? You don't care

939
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:16,733
Speaker 3: as much, but what does that look like on stage

940
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:17,413
Speaker 3: or in the studio.

941
00:48:17,573 --> 00:48:21,693
Speaker 11: So I think I didn't realize I was any good

942
00:48:21,813 --> 00:48:24,253
Speaker 11: back then. I didn't know. And now I know I'm

943
00:48:24,293 --> 00:48:24,933
Speaker 11: a good songwriter.

944
00:48:25,133 --> 00:48:25,293
Speaker 12: You know.

945
00:48:25,453 --> 00:48:28,133
Speaker 17: Now I'm like confident and I'm comfortable saying that. I

946
00:48:28,293 --> 00:48:30,773
Speaker 17: used I would be felt so cringe. Saying that back

947
00:48:30,773 --> 00:48:32,173
Speaker 17: in the day would be like, oh my gosh, shame.

948
00:48:32,213 --> 00:48:34,213
Speaker 17: I just no way I'd ever say that. But now

949
00:48:34,293 --> 00:48:37,733
Speaker 17: I'm like, I'm actually confident in myself and I feel

950
00:48:37,773 --> 00:48:42,493
Speaker 17: comfortable and I know what I contribute to a songwriting

951
00:48:42,533 --> 00:48:46,733
Speaker 17: session as valuable. So I that's something that's been a

952
00:48:46,853 --> 00:48:49,213
Speaker 17: huge obstacle for me to overcome over the years.

953
00:48:50,493 --> 00:48:51,413
Speaker 11: But it's just I don't know.

954
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:53,453
Speaker 17: I'm ten years sober as well, so I haven't drunk

955
00:48:53,613 --> 00:48:56,293
Speaker 17: alcohol for ten years, and that's also played a huge role.

956
00:48:56,373 --> 00:48:58,293
Speaker 3: Congratulation, thank you, yeah.

957
00:48:58,533 --> 00:48:59,093
Speaker 11: My sanity.

958
00:48:59,333 --> 00:49:02,333
Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, just just getting them mental health and check.

959
00:49:02,373 --> 00:49:05,013
Speaker 17: I think it's been really good for my brain and

960
00:49:05,173 --> 00:49:08,093
Speaker 17: actually made me realize my own worth, which I didn't

961
00:49:09,253 --> 00:49:11,053
Speaker 17: realize for many years.

962
00:49:11,213 --> 00:49:15,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's really profound.

963
00:49:15,973 --> 00:49:16,133
Speaker 15: Yeah.

964
00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:18,853
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's been a it's been a pretty awesome journey,

965
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:20,733
Speaker 17: and I'm just glad that I can That's something I

966
00:49:20,813 --> 00:49:22,693
Speaker 17: can also like show to my daughter, you know, like

967
00:49:22,813 --> 00:49:24,933
Speaker 17: she's only seeing this side of me, which is really cool.

968
00:49:25,093 --> 00:49:25,293
Speaker 6: Yeah.

969
00:49:25,453 --> 00:49:27,373
Speaker 3: How does she feel about your Do you play around

970
00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:27,973
Speaker 3: the house and stuff.

971
00:49:28,213 --> 00:49:29,133
Speaker 11: She's so proud of me.

972
00:49:29,253 --> 00:49:31,573
Speaker 17: Yeah. She she'll come, you know, with me when I

973
00:49:31,573 --> 00:49:35,973
Speaker 17: play shows and she'll standside of stage and take photo

974
00:49:36,013 --> 00:49:36,813
Speaker 17: she's my photographer.

975
00:49:37,493 --> 00:49:39,053
Speaker 11: I give her a job. I'm like, you get to

976
00:49:39,093 --> 00:49:39,613
Speaker 11: take pictures.

977
00:49:39,933 --> 00:49:40,813
Speaker 3: Okay, how old is she?

978
00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:42,173
Speaker 11: She's shooting seven on the weekend.

979
00:49:42,653 --> 00:49:45,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Okay, So this is a that's kind of

980
00:49:45,373 --> 00:49:48,333
Speaker 3: a wonderful age because they're still like the innocence is

981
00:49:48,373 --> 00:49:51,373
Speaker 3: still there, no cynicism.

982
00:49:52,413 --> 00:49:54,213
Speaker 11: She's just always so like eyes wide over.

983
00:49:55,333 --> 00:49:57,693
Speaker 3: Imagine what it's like for her, Like this is like

984
00:49:57,813 --> 00:50:01,053
Speaker 3: she will remember this even you remember what you remember

985
00:50:01,413 --> 00:50:03,013
Speaker 3: even for the rest of your life, and she'll remember

986
00:50:03,053 --> 00:50:05,413
Speaker 3: seeing you on stage. Imagine how like foundational.

987
00:50:05,493 --> 00:50:09,413
Speaker 11: That's it's so exciting. Yeah, I love that she enjoys

988
00:50:09,453 --> 00:50:09,893
Speaker 11: it as well.

989
00:50:10,213 --> 00:50:13,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, So aside from being sober and kind of having

990
00:50:13,733 --> 00:50:17,093
Speaker 3: mental health stuff sorted, do you think that well, not sorted,

991
00:50:17,173 --> 00:50:21,333
Speaker 3: but in check and check. Yeah, yep. Do you think

992
00:50:21,453 --> 00:50:23,733
Speaker 3: is there anything else you look at over the last

993
00:50:23,813 --> 00:50:25,853
Speaker 3: ten years or so that you think has helped you

994
00:50:25,933 --> 00:50:28,093
Speaker 3: get to the point where you can say, you know what,

995
00:50:28,213 --> 00:50:30,573
Speaker 3: I am a good songwriter, I know what I'm doing here,

996
00:50:30,613 --> 00:50:31,333
Speaker 3: I belong here.

997
00:50:32,173 --> 00:50:32,373
Speaker 9: Yeah.

998
00:50:32,413 --> 00:50:34,733
Speaker 17: It has been a really hard journey and I have

999
00:50:34,933 --> 00:50:38,893
Speaker 17: had some like really low points, but it's yeah, it's

1000
00:50:39,333 --> 00:50:43,253
Speaker 17: I think it's seeing other people's belief in me and

1001
00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:47,693
Speaker 17: the longevity of that, Like how long some people in

1002
00:50:47,813 --> 00:50:49,933
Speaker 17: my life have believed in me and my music, and

1003
00:50:50,013 --> 00:50:53,173
Speaker 17: some people I really respect as well as fellow songwriters

1004
00:50:53,173 --> 00:50:56,053
Speaker 17: and musicians, and that's been something to me that's like, oh.

1005
00:50:56,093 --> 00:50:59,453
Speaker 11: Actually, maybe I am all right. You know, maybe I'm

1006
00:50:59,493 --> 00:51:00,453
Speaker 11: not as bad as what I felt.

1007
00:51:00,453 --> 00:51:04,573
Speaker 17: You know, it's really easy to be self deprecating and

1008
00:51:04,693 --> 00:51:08,373
Speaker 17: I was very good at that, but I don't do

1009
00:51:08,493 --> 00:51:09,013
Speaker 17: that anymore.

1010
00:51:09,293 --> 00:51:11,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so pleased to hear that. So can you

1011
00:51:11,253 --> 00:51:12,333
Speaker 3: tell us about the other's way?

1012
00:51:13,453 --> 00:51:14,013
Speaker 11: Yes, I can.

1013
00:51:14,613 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 3: We've got to put all the details and stuff online

1014
00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:18,533
Speaker 3: so you don't worry about that stuff. But just for

1015
00:51:18,573 --> 00:51:20,733
Speaker 3: people who aren't aware of the festival and how it

1016
00:51:20,813 --> 00:51:21,653
Speaker 3: kind of works.

1017
00:51:21,573 --> 00:51:22,013
Speaker 11: Yeah, cool.

1018
00:51:22,053 --> 00:51:27,893
Speaker 17: So it's a festival where basically music takes over K Road.

1019
00:51:28,133 --> 00:51:30,693
Speaker 11: So there's a bunch of venues up K.

1020
00:51:30,893 --> 00:51:37,773
Speaker 17: Road and there's just bands playing NonStop over the course

1021
00:51:37,853 --> 00:51:40,853
Speaker 17: of a weekend, I think. And I'm playing at Double Whammy,

1022
00:51:42,013 --> 00:51:47,613
Speaker 17: which I'm so excited. I've never played either of themis Yeah,

1023
00:51:47,693 --> 00:51:49,173
Speaker 17: so it's exciting, and I know it's a very new

1024
00:51:49,253 --> 00:51:52,173
Speaker 17: venue as well. This was just something I really wanted

1025
00:51:52,213 --> 00:51:53,853
Speaker 17: to do as well, Like I wanted to do this

1026
00:51:53,973 --> 00:51:57,013
Speaker 17: festival and it's really cool people playing it as well

1027
00:51:57,493 --> 00:51:58,733
Speaker 17: that I'm quite excited about.

1028
00:52:00,333 --> 00:52:03,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's really special too, because I think K

1029
00:52:03,573 --> 00:52:06,253
Speaker 3: Road has had like a like a little rough period,

1030
00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:08,133
Speaker 3: and there's still like lots of police signs and that

1031
00:52:08,213 --> 00:52:09,533
Speaker 3: sort of thing on some of the on some of

1032
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:13,613
Speaker 3: the retail spots up there. But it feels like just

1033
00:52:13,693 --> 00:52:16,173
Speaker 3: to me that it's just starting to turn a bit

1034
00:52:16,213 --> 00:52:18,813
Speaker 3: of a corner and events like this are just so

1035
00:52:19,493 --> 00:52:22,733
Speaker 3: good for that community. Yes, as a real vibrancy that

1036
00:52:22,853 --> 00:52:23,133
Speaker 3: makes it.

1037
00:52:24,093 --> 00:52:26,773
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really exciting. It's cool to be asked to

1038
00:52:27,213 --> 00:52:28,253
Speaker 11: be part of that as well.

1039
00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:31,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really tough. Yeah, we are delighted that

1040
00:52:31,413 --> 00:52:33,853
Speaker 3: you're going to be playing. We're delighted you're playing, Lady Hawk.

1041
00:52:33,893 --> 00:52:35,613
Speaker 3: We can't wait for your new music. When do you reckon?

1042
00:52:35,933 --> 00:52:36,373
Speaker 3: That might be?

1043
00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:41,213
Speaker 17: The aim is next year around October. It always takes ages. Yeah,

1044
00:52:41,373 --> 00:52:44,013
Speaker 17: but but yeah, I've got some pretty awesome stuff cooking.

1045
00:52:44,133 --> 00:52:46,413
Speaker 3: So oh, I can't wait. So good to see you,

1046
00:52:46,493 --> 00:52:48,133
Speaker 3: and thank you very much for your time. Oh, thank

1047
00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:50,853
Speaker 3: you so much, Jack, Oh so good.

1048
00:52:51,053 --> 00:52:51,093
Speaker 15: So.

1049
00:52:51,653 --> 00:52:54,733
Speaker 3: Tickets for Lady Hawk's show are on sale now via

1050
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Speaker 3: mosh tics and we're gonna have all the details on

1051
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Speaker 3: news talks He'd be website. Thank you very much for

1052
00:52:59,133 --> 00:53:02,413
Speaker 3: your feedback, Jake love Lady Hawk, her music, has inspired

1053
00:53:02,533 --> 00:53:06,173
Speaker 3: my music and my journey. Thank you, Congratulations on your sobriety,

1054
00:53:06,373 --> 00:53:09,573
Speaker 3: Congratulations on your music, congratulations on life in generals is

1055
00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:11,733
Speaker 3: Tom Hey, Lady Hawker, just want to say thank you

1056
00:53:11,813 --> 00:53:14,173
Speaker 3: so much for your music. You are an inspiration to me.

1057
00:53:14,293 --> 00:53:16,173
Speaker 3: You've helped me through bad times in my life. Really

1058
00:53:16,213 --> 00:53:18,373
Speaker 3: appreciate it. That is so good. If you want to

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1068
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Speaker 8: political thrillers. Season one came out last year and season

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Speaker 8: two dropped this week. This stars Kerrie Russell and Rufus

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00:54:40,493 --> 00:54:44,253
Speaker 8: Sill and Kerrie Russell plays a diplomat who is reluctantly

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Speaker 8: sent to London to become the US ambassador to the UK,

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Speaker 8: and she arrives in the middle of an international political crisis.

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Speaker 8: There's a war with the Middle East looming, and she's

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Speaker 8: thrown into a very tense world of negotiation and standoffs

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Speaker 8: and political strategy, all while having to deal with being

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Speaker 8: in the spotlight in a way that she hasn't before

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Speaker 8: and a marriage that's falling apart as well. Her husband

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Speaker 8: is also a diplomat, but he's a bit of a

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Speaker 8: loose Cannon and he likes to insert himself into situations

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Speaker 8: and really complicate things.

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Speaker 9: This is a very, very watchable series.

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Speaker 8: It feels like a mix of The West Wing and

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Speaker 8: The Night Agent, and the cast is particularly strong. Kerrie

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Speaker 8: Russell is fantastic in this, but there's also Rory kaneer

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Speaker 8: Celia Imriy Allison Jenny joins the cast for season two.

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Speaker 8: There's a great mix of Australian and British actors, really

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Speaker 8: good pace to this. There's some humor as well, and

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Speaker 8: it's Netflix, you know, they pull you in with those

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Speaker 8: clippingers at the end of every episode.

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Speaker 9: It's a very bingeable show, you.

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Speaker 8: Know, if you want something that's not too serious and

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00:55:45,973 --> 00:55:50,253
Speaker 8: heavy but is also intelligent and surprising and will take

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Speaker 8: you along for the ride.

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Speaker 9: This is my muscy for the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Hey, when you say it's bingeble, is it bingeable

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Speaker 3: or are they doing like one episode every week? They're

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Speaker 3: doing that really annoying drip feed thing.

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Speaker 2: I believe.

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Speaker 8: I know season one is up now, I believe season

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Speaker 8: ten has dropped, but I'm not Tyler. I think you

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Speaker 8: can go for gold on this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's really good. So that's the Diplomat that's

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Speaker 3: on Netflix, on TV and Z Plus from this weekend.

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Speaker 3: A Remarkable Place to Die This.

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Speaker 8: Is a new local drama that starts on TVNZED one

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Speaker 8: and TVNZ Plus from tomorrow night. And if you're a

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Speaker 8: fan of shows like The Broken Wood Mysteries or One

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Speaker 8: Lane Bridge, you will enjoy this. This is a four

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Speaker 8: part murder mystery series that stars Rebecca Gidney and Chelsea

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Speaker 8: Preston Crayford, who are both, as you would expect, fantastic

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Speaker 8: in this. It's set in Queenstown, the title probably gives

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Speaker 8: that away, and it's about a police detective who returns

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Speaker 8: home to Queenstown. She moves in with her mum and

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Speaker 8: has to solve a series of unusual murders that keep

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Speaker 8: happening in the area. And as part of coming back home,

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Speaker 8: she has to also confront the ghosts of her past.

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Speaker 8: There's been some deaths in her family, there's some relationship

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Speaker 8: issues that she ran away from, and you know, as

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Speaker 8: with any good murder mystery, worlds are going to collide.

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Speaker 8: But I think one of the biggest stars in the

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Speaker 8: show es central Otago. The scenery in this is stunn

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Speaker 8: it does feel like they've made this with an international

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Speaker 8: audience in mind. This is the kind of familiar, easy

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Speaker 8: to watch murder mystery that will appeal to a wide

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Speaker 8: global audience. So if you love a murder mystery, this

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00:57:19,533 --> 00:57:22,053
Speaker 8: is a well made, beautifully filmed drama. And the cast,

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Speaker 8: there's a really strong ensemble cast in this as well.

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Speaker 8: They really lift it up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, a remarkable place to die. So that drops

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00:57:29,133 --> 00:57:33,493
Speaker 3: on TVNZ Plus from tomorrow. In on Prime Video Liones.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, change in Tacker, But this is a new season

1147
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:40,573
Speaker 8: of Lioness, which is a big budget American action series

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00:57:40,613 --> 00:57:43,973
Speaker 8: that stars Zoe Sordana, Nicole Kidman, and Morgan Freeman. And

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00:57:44,053 --> 00:57:46,693
Speaker 8: it's made by Taylor Sheridan, who created big shows like

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Speaker 8: Yellowstone and Mayor of Kingstown, so there are some huge

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Speaker 8: names attached to this drama. And it's set during the

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00:57:53,053 --> 00:57:57,333
Speaker 8: American War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan and Zoe's

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00:57:57,333 --> 00:58:01,693
Speaker 8: Sildana plays a CIA operative who's the leader of the Lionesses,

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00:58:01,733 --> 00:58:05,173
Speaker 8: which is this elite military team of women who work

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Speaker 8: undercover together, and the show is inspired by a real

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Speaker 8: US military program, so it's taking that well known military

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Speaker 8: world that we see a lot in films and TV

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00:58:15,373 --> 00:58:17,053
Speaker 8: and giving it a bit of a twist by putting

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Speaker 8: a woman at the center of.

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Speaker 9: The story who lives this double life.

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Speaker 8: She's this assassin at work and then she has to

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Speaker 8: go home and live a normal life with her family.

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Speaker 9: So in a lot of ways, it feels very familiar.

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Speaker 8: It's a very big, in your face military drama, lots

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00:58:30,893 --> 00:58:33,813
Speaker 8: of weapons, lots of violence, but then you've got this female.

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Speaker 9: Tist to it as well.

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Speaker 8: It is over the top and it's very American, but

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00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:41,693
Speaker 8: also maybe sort of a guilty pleasure to watch and

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00:58:41,853 --> 00:58:44,173
Speaker 8: escape into if you are a fan of those intense,

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Speaker 8: all action kind of dramas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Okay, that's Liones. So that's on Prime Video.

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Speaker 3: A Remarkable Place to Die is on TVNZ Plus, and

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00:58:52,333 --> 00:58:55,253
Speaker 3: The Diplomat is on Netflix and A double checked Tara,

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00:58:55,373 --> 00:58:58,093
Speaker 3: so The Diplomat that they're not doing that annoying thing, thankfully,

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Speaker 3: They'll just put the whole thing online. So it is

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Speaker 3: definitely truly literally bingeable. You can watch all of the episodes.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to wait like we always had to

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Speaker 3: do it for the next time episode to come out

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Speaker 3: in a week's time. Thank you so much. All of

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Speaker 3: those shows will be on the News Talks. He'd be

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00:59:11,213 --> 00:59:13,213
Speaker 3: website as well if you want to watch them this weekend.

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00:59:13,333 --> 00:59:15,733
Speaker 3: It is just coming up to ten thirty.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Tape

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Speaker 1: on News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be it takes one to know one.

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Speaker 19: And I saw you there, so I had seen you

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Speaker 19: all my love.

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00:59:34,813 --> 00:59:35,853
Speaker 14: I thank god.

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Speaker 19: I've never man, never love, I've never wanted.

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Speaker 14: All right, is so I don't.

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Speaker 19: Again, lad and get away with a picture of you,

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00:59:51,813 --> 00:59:53,053
Speaker 19: just to keep you safe.

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Speaker 3: It is so beautiful, isn't it. This is Laura Marling.

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Speaker 3: She sort of sits in the cool slash indie music

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Speaker 3: category because of her ability to be fifteen years or

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Speaker 3: so into her international career, eight albums deep, and still

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Speaker 3: freshly discoverable to many people. One of those people, though,

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Speaker 3: is not me. This is about the only time I've

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Speaker 3: ever been able to say this is Saturday mornings. But

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Speaker 3: I saw Laura Marling. Oh, I reckon twelve or thirteen

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Speaker 3: years ago at Lame Ways and fell in love with

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Speaker 3: her music. There's something about her sound. It's really relaxed.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of instinctive, like all good proper indie musicians.

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Speaker 3: She's a great guitarist, She's got that amazing voice, and

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Speaker 3: she's been described as the closest artist her generation has

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Speaker 3: to a Joni Mitchell or to Patti Smith. Throughout her career,

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Speaker 3: though she has really intensely guarded her privacy, which distinguishes

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Speaker 3: her from many of her generational contemporaries, makes her a

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Speaker 3: bit of an international mystery, but you can learn little

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Speaker 3: bits about her about her and her kind of introspective songwriting. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the reason I'm telling you all of this is she

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Speaker 3: is our album of the week this week. I just

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Speaker 3: released a brand new album called Patterns in Repeat. It

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Speaker 3: was written after the birth of her daughter, and it

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Speaker 3: kind of goes into all the ideas and behaviors that

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Speaker 3: we pass down through family over different generations. So I'm

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Speaker 3: really looking forward to having a bit more of a

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Speaker 3: listen to Patterns and Repeat. After eleven o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 3: We're going to get our music reviewers thoughts on that

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Speaker 3: as well. Thank you so much for your texts and

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Speaker 3: emails throughout the morning. So I'm broadcasting from Washington, DC

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Speaker 3: ahead of the US election, covering it over the last

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and we'll be continuing it for continuing

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Speaker 3: to cover it for a wee bit more. Dean has

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Speaker 3: sent me a note to say Jack, good morning. If

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Speaker 3: I were an American, I would be a Republican. I

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Speaker 3: don't like much of Kamala Harris's platform. I don't think

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Speaker 3: she's a great candidate. However, if I could vote, I

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Speaker 3: would vote for her over Donald Trump an instant, much

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Speaker 3: as I would have for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: and Joe Biden in twenty twenty, because Trump is such

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Speaker 3: a dreadful candidate. In my view, the healing in America

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Speaker 3: will begin once Donald Trump is no longer running for

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Speaker 3: office and stops fanning the flames of what divides the nation. Well, Dean,

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Speaker 3: that presumes that he loses, and it also presumes that

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Speaker 3: whoever takes over the Trump is a movement after Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump isn't similarly unsupportable in your eyes. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's an interesting point. There are certainly lots of Republicans

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Speaker 3: or traditional Republicans in the US who you know, would

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Speaker 3: have always voted for that party, who feel they can't

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Speaker 3: support Donald Trump. In fact, they've got a name for

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Speaker 3: them now. An acronym Rhino Rino republican in name only,

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Speaker 3: So thank you for that message. Coming up before eleven o'clock,

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01:02:40,733 --> 01:02:42,493
Speaker 3: we are in the garden. We've got your best buy

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01:02:42,613 --> 01:02:44,933
Speaker 3: for this week from our master of wine. Next up, though,

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Speaker 3: our texpert has just built a fully functional, complicated website

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01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:54,533
Speaker 3: using AI. So how was the experience twenty five to ten.

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Speaker 2: Folds of the big names so wrong?

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Speaker 20: The breakfast Boris Johnson. I had the best time with

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Speaker 20: him yesterday. I hooked up with him yesterday morning. I

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Speaker 20: just at the very beginning, I said, Lo, Lookrris, can

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Speaker 20: you can you like give us just thirty seconds on

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Speaker 20: the UK budget?

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Speaker 10: You know, business is being how had I just got

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Speaker 10: a message from a children's learning business. It's being hammered

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Speaker 10: by these taxes on employment. It will crush enterprise. It's

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Speaker 10: it's a totally the wrong way for the country.

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Speaker 20: Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast at

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Speaker 20: the rain, driver of the last News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two to eleven on News talk Ed b Paul Stenhouse.

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Speaker 3: Our text Bert has undertaken a bit of an experiment

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Speaker 3: this week. He wanted to see if AI could build

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Speaker 3: an app. He's put it to the test for us,

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Speaker 3: heal to Paul.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Jack.

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Speaker 18: I don't know if it was a good idea on no,

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Speaker 18: and it's a bit a frustrating experience.

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Speaker 3: But I can say there is.

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Speaker 18: A working app that I wrote zero lines of code for.

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Speaker 18: That's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is amazing. Okay, So tell us about the

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Speaker 3: idea for the app or for your website, and then

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Speaker 3: explain to us how you managed to build it without

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Speaker 3: actually writing any code.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So I hit this thought.

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Speaker 18: Every time there's an election call, when each of these

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Speaker 18: networks makes a call, I thought, wouldn't it be good

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Speaker 18: if we could track that so that we could see

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Speaker 18: which network thinks we're going to have who as the

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Speaker 18: president of the United States. The election, of course, is

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Speaker 18: on Tuesday. And I took to an application that is

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Speaker 18: called Cursor, and Cursor is like a development tool crossed

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Speaker 18: with AI. So you can actually ask it things and

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Speaker 18: it will then create the code for it, and you

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Speaker 18: can commit that to your dev environment, your code, just

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Speaker 18: with the click of a button. It's incredible. So you

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Speaker 18: can say, give me a pigraph that shows X and y.

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Speaker 14: It uses this is a.

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Speaker 2: Variable that is a variable.

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Speaker 5: Push submit.

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Speaker 18: It will give you back fully working code. And then

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Speaker 18: what he basically did is layered these on and on

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Speaker 18: and on and on. So you ask it to do

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Speaker 18: one thing, then you ask it to do another thing,

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Speaker 18: then you ask it to connect those two things, and

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Speaker 18: then you ask it to do something else. Yeah, it

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Speaker 18: does get rather complicated. It is not without headaches, it

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Speaker 18: is not without frustrations.

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Speaker 2: But there is a working app.

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01:05:14,613 --> 01:05:19,293
Speaker 18: App checktam at all the calls, dot app, all the calls,

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Speaker 18: dot ap right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you've already fortunately sent me a little previous

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01:05:25,573 --> 01:05:27,373
Speaker 3: so I gave you joyed looking at it this week. No,

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01:05:27,413 --> 01:05:29,413
Speaker 3: it's pretty amazing what you can do given you haven't

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01:05:29,493 --> 01:05:31,733
Speaker 3: had to do any code, although obviously I haven't been

1307
01:05:31,773 --> 01:05:35,093
Speaker 3: privy to the frustrations of all of the layering. But

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Speaker 3: what do you think this means for the future of coding,

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01:05:38,013 --> 01:05:40,533
Speaker 3: Because for years now we've been saying, Oh, kids don't

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01:05:40,573 --> 01:05:42,853
Speaker 3: need to worry about handwriting, kids don't even need to

1311
01:05:42,853 --> 01:05:45,253
Speaker 3: worry about multiplication. All they need to know is how

1312
01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:47,133
Speaker 3: to code, and they'll have a job for life.

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Speaker 18: Yes, well, I think that's a bit that's changing, right,

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Speaker 18: So I think you need to know technical concepts. People

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01:05:54,173 --> 01:05:56,173
Speaker 18: still need to be technical You still need to know

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01:05:56,293 --> 01:05:58,453
Speaker 18: kind of what the tech is trying to do, and

1317
01:05:58,533 --> 01:06:00,973
Speaker 18: what the concepts are and what the individual services are

1318
01:06:01,253 --> 01:06:03,733
Speaker 18: that make an application on a website run. What you

1319
01:06:03,853 --> 01:06:05,373
Speaker 18: don't need to do, though, is actually know how to

1320
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Speaker 18: do the actual code language part. This runs on typescript.

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01:06:08,893 --> 01:06:10,013
Speaker 18: I don't know any type script.

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Speaker 5: AI wrote it for.

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Speaker 18: Me, so I think that's really important, and I think

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01:06:15,453 --> 01:06:19,133
Speaker 18: that just understanding the concepts, understanding how to talk to it.

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Speaker 18: One of the things I found this week Jack was

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Speaker 18: I really had to work out what context it needed.

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01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:28,133
Speaker 18: Words are really important with AI, right, you need to

1328
01:06:28,173 --> 01:06:30,813
Speaker 18: make sure you're really explicit, and the takeaway price.

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Speaker 3: Down It was really funny. You have to be spot on, Yeah,

1330
01:06:33,893 --> 01:06:34,773
Speaker 3: absolutely spot on.

1331
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Speaker 18: You know, using words like overlaid versus above mean very

1332
01:06:38,813 --> 01:06:41,653
Speaker 18: different things, and they can send you down a very

1333
01:06:41,733 --> 01:06:43,813
Speaker 18: bad path. Now they're overlaid and above it kind of

1334
01:06:43,933 --> 01:06:46,613
Speaker 18: sound reasonably similar and have a pretty you know, when

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01:06:46,613 --> 01:06:48,093
Speaker 18: you have a bit of context, they mean something, but

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01:06:48,173 --> 01:06:50,253
Speaker 18: in coding terms they mean something very different, and so

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01:06:50,773 --> 01:06:52,533
Speaker 18: that can lead you down some bad paths.

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Speaker 14: But I will say the takeaway I have is that

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01:06:55,173 --> 01:06:55,973
Speaker 14: it really is about the.

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Speaker 18: Power of communication. Funnily enough, the ability and the skill

1341
01:07:00,293 --> 01:07:05,773
Speaker 18: to communicate explicitly, be clear, be concise, and also doing

1342
01:07:05,853 --> 01:07:09,573
Speaker 18: some active life checking and clarifying what the AI is

1343
01:07:09,653 --> 01:07:11,933
Speaker 18: telling you actually helps you create something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's see that's very interesting. Hey, I've got

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01:07:15,853 --> 01:07:17,653
Speaker 3: to ask you, since you are in the US, what

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01:07:18,053 --> 01:07:20,173
Speaker 3: is your pick for Wednesday this week?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 18: You mean, so I think it's going to be and

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01:07:25,333 --> 01:07:26,133
Speaker 18: who I want it to be?

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Speaker 3: Because answers, well, who do you think? Yeah? So you

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Speaker 3: you I'm guessing here that you are not a Donald

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01:07:35,613 --> 01:07:36,173
Speaker 3: Trump fan.

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Speaker 14: That would be true. Yes, so are we voting?

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Speaker 3: I can vote over here now, yeah, I can vote.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, so I'll be casting my vote for Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 18: but watching with anticipation. The problem this is, I think

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Speaker 18: I'm just going back to that last election where you know,

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01:07:54,093 --> 01:07:58,053
Speaker 18: where it was him versus Clinton, and just the polls

1359
01:07:58,053 --> 01:07:58,773
Speaker 18: were just so wrong.

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Speaker 3: And I guess I have no faith in the polls.

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01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:03,573
Speaker 3: I faith that the election, but the.

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Speaker 18: Polling, I guess is what I'm nervous about. So we'll

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01:08:06,413 --> 01:08:07,973
Speaker 18: see the middle of the country's doing.

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Speaker 3: I think that's very wise. I think not. I mean,

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01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:13,213
Speaker 3: Donald Trump himself has always said he never puts any

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01:08:13,213 --> 01:08:16,213
Speaker 3: faith in the polls. I just think, you know, because

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01:08:16,253 --> 01:08:18,653
Speaker 3: all of the polsters correct on new information, right so

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01:08:18,733 --> 01:08:21,133
Speaker 3: over the last couple of elections that have undercounted Donald

1369
01:08:21,133 --> 01:08:23,773
Speaker 3: Trump support heading into the election, and they might do

1370
01:08:23,853 --> 01:08:26,133
Speaker 3: the same thing this time around. They might also over correct.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know, and we won't know until the

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Speaker 3: results come through. Thank you so much, Paul. What a

1373
01:08:30,693 --> 01:08:33,413
Speaker 3: fascinating experiment. I'm going to give you Paul's website again

1374
01:08:33,453 --> 01:08:34,453
Speaker 3: so you can go and have a look or his

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01:08:34,493 --> 01:08:36,933
Speaker 3: app once again. I hope that he's managed to build

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01:08:36,973 --> 01:08:39,813
Speaker 3: in plenty of capacity for the millions of hits. Maybe

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01:08:39,813 --> 01:08:41,853
Speaker 3: he's got a good advertising framework in there as well,

1378
01:08:41,973 --> 01:08:44,013
Speaker 3: so we can we can make sure that Paul is

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01:08:44,013 --> 01:08:48,573
Speaker 3: sitting pretty. It's all the Calls dot App, So yeah,

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01:08:48,613 --> 01:08:50,653
Speaker 3: all the Calls dot App. Will make sure that we

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01:08:50,733 --> 01:08:52,333
Speaker 3: put a link on our website as well, so you

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01:08:52,413 --> 01:08:55,813
Speaker 3: can see what Paul was able to build using only AI.

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01:08:56,453 --> 01:08:58,813
Speaker 3: Right now, it is seventeen to eleven. You were Jack Tame.

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01:08:58,893 --> 01:09:00,493
Speaker 3: It's Saturday morning on new stig ZDB.

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01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:05,813
Speaker 2: His week is ending. Your weekend is just studying play

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01:09:05,933 --> 01:09:06,613
Speaker 2: from the US.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Mornings with Jack Team with deep curured on

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01:09:10,293 --> 01:09:12,813
Speaker 1: codon in for high quality supplements.

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Speaker 3: Newstalk THEBB fourteen minutes to eleven non newstalks. He'd be

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Speaker 3: Bob Campbell, our master of Wine, has chosen one of

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Speaker 3: his best buyers for us, and it's a Taylor's Jereman

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two charraz for twenty six dollars. Bob is

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Speaker 3: with us this morning, Koder Bob Cura Jack So tell

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01:09:30,533 --> 01:09:31,773
Speaker 3: us about the Taylor's Jereman.

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01:09:32,613 --> 01:09:39,293
Speaker 5: Well, I was cooking up some braised landshanks and I

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01:09:39,413 --> 01:09:41,733
Speaker 5: really needed a big rich wine to sort of go

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01:09:41,893 --> 01:09:45,213
Speaker 5: with a very big rich dish, and Taylor's is my

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01:09:45,493 --> 01:09:48,453
Speaker 5: go to wine producer when I'm looking for a classic

1399
01:09:49,413 --> 01:09:55,973
Speaker 5: Barossa style red. So I tasted this vintage of Yeremen

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01:09:56,053 --> 01:09:58,613
Speaker 5: for the first time and was really really knocked out.

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01:09:59,533 --> 01:10:00,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does it taste like?

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01:10:01,493 --> 01:10:05,413
Speaker 5: Well, it's a very intense, tense sline that's sort of rich, ripe,

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01:10:05,533 --> 01:10:12,053
Speaker 5: berry fruit, vanilla, black pepper, chocolate mocker. I'm get get

1404
01:10:12,093 --> 01:10:13,533
Speaker 5: a bit carried away with my notes.

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01:10:13,333 --> 01:10:15,413
Speaker 2: Here, don't worry.

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01:10:15,453 --> 01:10:16,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, please keep going.

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01:10:19,053 --> 01:10:23,773
Speaker 5: It's the standout feature is a sort of lovely smooth texture,

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01:10:23,973 --> 01:10:25,173
Speaker 5: really seductive stuff.

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01:10:25,973 --> 01:10:28,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh it sounds beautiful. So at twenty six dollars

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01:10:28,733 --> 01:10:29,853
Speaker 3: you reckon it's really good value?

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01:10:30,693 --> 01:10:33,853
Speaker 5: Yes, I do. Yeah, delivers more bang for the buckland

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01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:36,053
Speaker 5: just about any other red wine that I can think of.

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01:10:37,213 --> 01:10:38,813
Speaker 5: I don't know how they could make a wine at

1414
01:10:38,893 --> 01:10:40,853
Speaker 5: this quality at such a modest price.

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01:10:40,933 --> 01:10:43,693
Speaker 3: I really don't, right, we can you pick it up?

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01:10:44,613 --> 01:10:47,933
Speaker 5: Well? I hunted around and found a good wine company

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01:10:48,013 --> 01:10:52,293
Speaker 5: in Auckland has it for twenty five ninety nine, Whisky

1418
01:10:52,413 --> 01:10:56,293
Speaker 5: online in Auckland twenty five ninety nine, the same and

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01:10:57,053 --> 01:11:01,813
Speaker 5: wine wine sale dot co dot m Z in Lower

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01:11:01,893 --> 01:11:07,613
Speaker 5: Hut twenty five ninety nine. So Valentonians, I.

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01:11:07,733 --> 01:11:08,213
Speaker 3: Did that too.

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01:11:08,853 --> 01:11:08,973
Speaker 19: Well.

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01:11:09,013 --> 01:11:11,653
Speaker 3: I'm guessing that you made a good call and matching

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01:11:11,733 --> 01:11:14,573
Speaker 3: it with your lamb shanks? Is that what you would recommend?

1425
01:11:14,813 --> 01:11:16,453
Speaker 3: The kind of rich beast meals?

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01:11:17,293 --> 01:11:21,453
Speaker 5: Yeah, any rich red meat sauce for red meat dish with.

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01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:23,733
Speaker 6: Will do.

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01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:26,133
Speaker 5: It did go well with the lamb shanks, but it

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01:11:26,173 --> 01:11:30,533
Speaker 5: would go equally well I think with with you know,

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01:11:30,733 --> 01:11:33,533
Speaker 5: just a steak on the barby.

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01:11:34,373 --> 01:11:38,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a big roast lamb or something like that

1432
01:11:39,053 --> 01:11:41,573
Speaker 3: might be nice as well. They do you reckon it'll

1433
01:11:41,613 --> 01:11:41,973
Speaker 3: keep bob?

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01:11:42,013 --> 01:11:42,693
Speaker 5: Do you know it.

1435
01:11:42,813 --> 01:11:44,773
Speaker 3: Is it best drunk now or could you cellar it

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01:11:44,853 --> 01:11:45,573
Speaker 3: for a couple of years.

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01:11:46,493 --> 01:11:50,093
Speaker 5: It's good stuff now, but but it's going to get

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01:11:50,213 --> 01:11:54,413
Speaker 5: more mellow with age and perhaps a little bit more complex,

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01:11:54,493 --> 01:11:59,133
Speaker 5: which is a good thing, I think, so certainly, no rush.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that sounds great. Thank you so much, Bob.

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01:12:02,533 --> 01:12:02,573
Speaker 2: So.

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01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:04,973
Speaker 3: Bob's pick for us this week is best buy is

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01:12:05,053 --> 01:12:10,293
Speaker 3: a tailor's Jarman twenty twenty two Charaz for twenty six dollars.

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01:12:10,373 --> 01:12:13,133
Speaker 3: The details will be on our website. We're in the

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01:12:13,213 --> 01:12:16,213
Speaker 3: garden next eleven minutes to eleven. On Newstorks, he'd be.

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01:12:18,333 --> 01:12:21,373
Speaker 2: With steel Shop, don't wess their biggest spring sale ever.

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01:12:29,293 --> 01:12:31,933
Speaker 3: Nine minutes to eleven you rejectame. On Newstorgs, he'd be

1448
01:12:32,053 --> 01:12:34,573
Speaker 3: rude climb passes our man in the garden.

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01:12:34,373 --> 01:12:38,173
Speaker 6: Kilda, Rude, curida Jack. Are you all right there in

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01:12:38,293 --> 01:12:38,973
Speaker 6: the USA?

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01:12:39,893 --> 01:12:42,893
Speaker 3: I'm doing very well, thank you. I've had the pleasure

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01:12:42,933 --> 01:12:45,613
Speaker 3: and privilege of traveling around quite a bit this week

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01:12:45,693 --> 01:12:49,733
Speaker 3: and to some quite different climates and environments. And it's

1454
01:12:49,773 --> 01:12:52,573
Speaker 3: that time of year where on the East Coast at

1455
01:12:52,613 --> 01:12:55,253
Speaker 3: the very least the leaves are turning and it is

1456
01:12:55,493 --> 01:12:58,853
Speaker 3: just amazing, like in Washington, DC right now. Honestly, it

1457
01:12:58,973 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 3: is just it is ridiculous. Like if you take a

1458
01:13:01,213 --> 01:13:03,293
Speaker 3: no filter photo you chuck it on Instagram. You know

1459
01:13:03,373 --> 01:13:05,053
Speaker 3: that people are just never going to believe that it's

1460
01:13:05,093 --> 01:13:08,853
Speaker 3: real that the leaves are beautiful, those like golden and

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01:13:09,053 --> 01:13:11,653
Speaker 3: red hues that you only see a little bit. It's

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01:13:11,733 --> 01:13:14,053
Speaker 3: like everywhere as the main street of Arrowtown, you know

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01:13:14,053 --> 01:13:14,453
Speaker 3: what I mean?

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01:13:15,413 --> 01:13:18,853
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly that, And that is exactly the point. There's

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01:13:18,973 --> 01:13:22,053
Speaker 6: so many good spots in America that I find really

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01:13:22,213 --> 01:13:24,893
Speaker 6: cool to use as an example of what we can

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01:13:24,973 --> 01:13:27,973
Speaker 6: plant ourselves. You know, I know it's not native, but

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01:13:28,093 --> 01:13:31,773
Speaker 6: there you are good ideas. Yeah, talking about planting. I'm

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01:13:31,773 --> 01:13:34,453
Speaker 6: at the moment here in Cromwell or at Bennegburn and

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01:13:34,573 --> 01:13:38,213
Speaker 6: we're planting with the Mokihi Trust, literally a brand new

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01:13:38,693 --> 01:13:41,853
Speaker 6: if you like, habitat for all sorts of pollinators and

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01:13:41,933 --> 01:13:44,533
Speaker 6: creatures like that, and so many kids, and it is

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01:13:44,813 --> 01:13:49,773
Speaker 6: lovely to see them actually being interested in restoring au turoa'.

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01:13:50,413 --> 01:13:54,333
Speaker 6: That's another so gardening man is on at the moment.

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01:13:54,413 --> 01:13:58,093
Speaker 6: It's brilliant. So let's talk. Let's talk about the stuff

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01:13:58,133 --> 01:14:02,293
Speaker 6: in the US. I decided to link with you and

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01:14:02,573 --> 01:14:05,053
Speaker 6: see if you've seen any dog woods.

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01:14:07,373 --> 01:14:09,253
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would recognize one, to be

1479
01:14:09,333 --> 01:14:10,053
Speaker 3: perfectly honest.

1480
01:14:10,333 --> 01:14:13,253
Speaker 6: Dog woods maybe not a dogwood. It's a tree that

1481
01:14:13,453 --> 01:14:15,813
Speaker 6: is very common in the States, and when they are

1482
01:14:16,493 --> 01:14:18,933
Speaker 6: in the springtime, they are beautiful with the flowers, it's

1483
01:14:19,013 --> 01:14:22,973
Speaker 6: just unbelievably beautiful. But in autumn they have part of

1484
01:14:23,053 --> 01:14:26,573
Speaker 6: these wonderful autumn colors. So this is the thing. If

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01:14:26,613 --> 01:14:27,973
Speaker 6: I go to the States, you know, when I was

1486
01:14:28,053 --> 01:14:33,533
Speaker 6: in America or went to a headquarters in Silver Spring,

1487
01:14:33,613 --> 01:14:36,053
Speaker 6: not far down the road from where you are, I

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01:14:36,093 --> 01:14:38,773
Speaker 6: would see dog woods everywhere, and we end the end

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01:14:38,893 --> 01:14:41,493
Speaker 6: planted them in our gardens in New Zealand, Julie and I,

1490
01:14:41,893 --> 01:14:44,773
Speaker 6: and that was the exactly, Yeah, why not. You can

1491
01:14:44,853 --> 01:14:47,773
Speaker 6: have those right here as well. So if you see

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01:14:47,853 --> 01:14:51,773
Speaker 6: something that you really enjoy, get an eye naturalist photograph,

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01:14:51,893 --> 01:14:53,653
Speaker 6: identify it and make a note.

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01:14:53,453 --> 01:14:55,613
Speaker 3: Of what it is, and you can use it in

1495
01:14:55,733 --> 01:14:59,933
Speaker 3: your own gardens because they have like the kind of

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01:15:00,013 --> 01:15:03,133
Speaker 3: white flowers or the kind of pinky red flowers, right,

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01:15:03,373 --> 01:15:04,213
Speaker 3: the different varieties.

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01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:07,893
Speaker 6: Exactly, Yeah, that's right. So that's one of the examples

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01:15:07,933 --> 01:15:11,733
Speaker 6: that I got. Literally important if you like as an

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01:15:11,773 --> 01:15:14,213
Speaker 6: idea from the US, and I know you've got the

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01:15:14,253 --> 01:15:16,573
Speaker 6: same eye because she started off with that. It's so called.

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01:15:17,053 --> 01:15:21,493
Speaker 6: Now Julie's Julie's favorite is another American thing. It's called Philadelphis.

1503
01:15:21,933 --> 01:15:24,413
Speaker 6: I think it comes from Philadelphia, but it's another story.

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01:15:25,693 --> 01:15:30,573
Speaker 6: Philadelphis is another one over those things that is absolutely gorgeous.

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01:15:31,013 --> 01:15:33,733
Speaker 6: Right now in our hero at the back of the fence,

1506
01:15:34,093 --> 01:15:36,453
Speaker 6: she wax it onto a fence, and I would put

1507
01:15:36,493 --> 01:15:41,573
Speaker 6: it into as sort of an rather unruly hatch configuration.

1508
01:15:42,133 --> 01:15:45,853
Speaker 6: But again, you can get them here at the garden

1509
01:15:45,973 --> 01:15:50,613
Speaker 6: centers too, and it is one of those wonderful things gorgeous.

1510
01:15:50,293 --> 01:15:52,133
Speaker 3: So it's kind of a it's kind of a climber,

1511
01:15:52,253 --> 01:15:52,893
Speaker 3: right it's.

1512
01:15:53,413 --> 01:15:53,733
Speaker 12: It is.

1513
01:15:56,493 --> 01:15:59,773
Speaker 6: Exactly, but as an unruly fence or what do you

1514
01:15:59,853 --> 01:16:04,493
Speaker 6: call it, As an an unruly vomp, you get it

1515
01:16:04,613 --> 01:16:08,613
Speaker 6: as an as something that's stands out with its colors.

1516
01:16:08,653 --> 01:16:10,693
Speaker 6: There's really what I was going to say. And then

1517
01:16:11,293 --> 01:16:14,053
Speaker 6: for me so far, we talked a lot about white

1518
01:16:14,093 --> 01:16:16,173
Speaker 6: and orange and all that, but I'm also a color

1519
01:16:16,253 --> 01:16:22,213
Speaker 6: fan of blue, So there's a mechanopsis I'm into. Mechanopsis

1520
01:16:22,373 --> 01:16:26,933
Speaker 6: is like an if you like an a plant that

1521
01:16:27,093 --> 01:16:28,933
Speaker 6: comes up it's really hard to grow, by the way,

1522
01:16:29,293 --> 01:16:32,453
Speaker 6: but it's got this unbelievable blue and I've asked Libby

1523
01:16:32,493 --> 01:16:34,973
Speaker 6: to put it on the website actually because it's gorgeous.

1524
01:16:35,253 --> 01:16:38,173
Speaker 6: But it has a couple of negative things. Very tricky

1525
01:16:38,293 --> 01:16:41,613
Speaker 6: to grow. It's very difficult to sow as a seed.

1526
01:16:42,013 --> 01:16:44,573
Speaker 6: I've had some success, but not that often. And it's

1527
01:16:44,733 --> 01:16:47,093
Speaker 6: very sensitive. And you split them up as well, and

1528
01:16:47,213 --> 01:16:49,213
Speaker 6: you do that in the early spring, you know, which

1529
01:16:49,293 --> 01:16:51,573
Speaker 6: is a bit late now, but this is the point.

1530
01:16:52,093 --> 01:16:55,013
Speaker 6: You could put it in shade and no full sum

1531
01:16:55,413 --> 01:16:58,293
Speaker 6: and you have wonderful and yours as the base of

1532
01:16:58,413 --> 01:17:01,213
Speaker 6: it and everything will be honky doi great.

1533
01:17:01,973 --> 01:17:02,173
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1534
01:17:02,333 --> 01:17:06,893
Speaker 3: The blue is so I mean, it's incredible. It's so intense. Yeah,

1535
01:17:07,813 --> 01:17:09,213
Speaker 3: it's difficult to grow. It is probably not going to

1536
01:17:09,253 --> 01:17:11,173
Speaker 3: do well well well at our place, but it is.

1537
01:17:11,253 --> 01:17:14,173
Speaker 3: It is a really really deep and kind of intense blue.

1538
01:17:14,213 --> 01:17:17,053
Speaker 3: It almost looks like a like a fungy kind of

1539
01:17:17,093 --> 01:17:18,293
Speaker 3: blue or something, don't.

1540
01:17:18,053 --> 01:17:20,093
Speaker 6: You think exactly exactly?

1541
01:17:20,413 --> 01:17:22,333
Speaker 15: Yeah, and it's blue.

1542
01:17:23,013 --> 01:17:25,773
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, right, well that makes

1543
01:17:25,813 --> 01:17:26,853
Speaker 3: sense once you see it.

1544
01:17:27,013 --> 01:17:27,213
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1545
01:17:27,413 --> 01:17:29,173
Speaker 3: Okay, well, look we'll put that photo on the on

1546
01:17:29,253 --> 01:17:31,013
Speaker 3: the website so people can go and have a little

1547
01:17:31,013 --> 01:17:32,813
Speaker 3: bit of a look as well. Thank you so much, Rude.

1548
01:17:32,893 --> 01:17:36,453
Speaker 3: Enjoy your time and beautiful Central Otago, won't you yep?

1549
01:17:36,853 --> 01:17:39,933
Speaker 6: Planting everywhere? Thank you and you have a great time off.

1550
01:17:40,813 --> 01:17:43,093
Speaker 3: Well though, thank you. That is Rude climb past in

1551
01:17:43,293 --> 01:17:45,373
Speaker 3: the garden for us on News Talks. He'd be coming

1552
01:17:45,413 --> 01:17:47,693
Speaker 3: up to eleven o'clock. After eleven o'clock, we are going

1553
01:17:47,733 --> 01:17:49,573
Speaker 3: to have a bit of a listen to Laura Marling's

1554
01:17:49,613 --> 01:17:54,173
Speaker 3: new album. She Yeah, it's just an incredible kind of

1555
01:17:54,413 --> 01:17:57,613
Speaker 3: has an incredible voice in an incredible way with songwriting,

1556
01:17:57,733 --> 01:18:00,453
Speaker 3: quite a unique sound, So looking forward to playing some

1557
01:18:00,573 --> 01:18:02,173
Speaker 3: of that as well as that. John Grisham has a

1558
01:18:02,253 --> 01:18:05,013
Speaker 3: new book out, but it's not a typical Grisham thriller.

1559
01:18:05,533 --> 01:18:09,493
Speaker 3: It's actually a nonfiction book really really fascinating subjects, So

1560
01:18:09,613 --> 01:18:11,813
Speaker 3: looking forward to hearing a bit more about that. News

1561
01:18:11,933 --> 01:18:13,933
Speaker 3: is next though there's almost eleven non news talks.

1562
01:18:13,973 --> 01:18:16,333
Speaker 2: He'd be as the election heats up.

1563
01:18:16,613 --> 01:18:19,973
Speaker 1: It's Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame with bpewer dot co

1564
01:18:20,093 --> 01:18:22,373
Speaker 1: dot z for high quality supplements.

1565
01:18:22,653 --> 01:18:23,493
Speaker 2: News talks be.

1566
01:18:50,973 --> 01:18:53,693
Speaker 3: Mored in the Coota. You're with Jack Tame on News Talks.

1567
01:18:53,733 --> 01:18:56,613
Speaker 3: He'd be broadcasting live out of the United States ahead

1568
01:18:56,613 --> 01:18:59,373
Speaker 3: of Wednesday's US presidential election. If you are planning a

1569
01:18:59,373 --> 01:19:01,973
Speaker 3: big day, like a presidential watch party or something, you

1570
01:19:02,053 --> 01:19:04,613
Speaker 3: know how, as the results come in and you have

1571
01:19:04,733 --> 01:19:08,693
Speaker 3: those amazing cable news networks doing all the big coverage things,

1572
01:19:08,733 --> 01:19:10,373
Speaker 3: and you have the guy at the screen looking at

1573
01:19:10,453 --> 01:19:13,293
Speaker 3: Maricoppa County, Arizona and all that kind of stuff, I

1574
01:19:13,373 --> 01:19:16,053
Speaker 3: should warn you a lot of the analysts here reckon,

1575
01:19:16,093 --> 01:19:18,573
Speaker 3: we're not going to have a result on Wednesday itself.

1576
01:19:18,653 --> 01:19:20,173
Speaker 3: That it might take a bit of time. Part of

1577
01:19:20,213 --> 01:19:24,013
Speaker 3: the reason is that in Pennsylvania, for example, all of

1578
01:19:24,133 --> 01:19:27,493
Speaker 3: the early votes that have been cast cannot be counted

1579
01:19:27,693 --> 01:19:31,573
Speaker 3: until the day itself. So even though more than sixty

1580
01:19:31,693 --> 01:19:35,173
Speaker 3: million votes have already been cast around the US, sixty

1581
01:19:35,293 --> 01:19:38,493
Speaker 3: million votes, heaps of those won't actually be counted until

1582
01:19:38,493 --> 01:19:40,293
Speaker 3: the day itself. It's not the same in every state,

1583
01:19:40,373 --> 01:19:42,333
Speaker 3: you know how, Like every state has a different rule.

1584
01:19:43,573 --> 01:19:48,573
Speaker 3: Some other states they will start early counting before election day. However,

1585
01:19:48,733 --> 01:19:51,333
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, which is maybe the single most important of

1586
01:19:51,373 --> 01:19:52,973
Speaker 3: all the swing states, they're not going to be starting

1587
01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:56,453
Speaker 3: till the day itself. And remember four years ago when

1588
01:19:56,493 --> 01:20:00,653
Speaker 3: Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump. It took several days before

1589
01:20:00,733 --> 01:20:04,213
Speaker 3: that election result was actually finalized. Anyway, perform a dang

1590
01:20:04,253 --> 01:20:06,133
Speaker 3: and tell you a bit more about my experience in

1591
01:20:06,133 --> 01:20:07,613
Speaker 3: the UN over the last week or so, of my

1592
01:20:07,693 --> 01:20:10,613
Speaker 3: thoughts going into Wednesday's election. As well as that, we're

1593
01:20:10,613 --> 01:20:12,253
Speaker 3: going to tell you about this amazing new book from

1594
01:20:12,333 --> 01:20:15,693
Speaker 3: John Grisham. Now usually he's writing fiction right, his thrillers,

1595
01:20:15,733 --> 01:20:18,173
Speaker 3: but he's put together this amazing story or range of

1596
01:20:18,253 --> 01:20:22,653
Speaker 3: stories looking at people who have been framed or wrongly

1597
01:20:22,813 --> 01:20:25,933
Speaker 3: convicted of the most serious crimes, and they are amazing

1598
01:20:25,973 --> 01:20:28,613
Speaker 3: stories like that. There was this mum who was like

1599
01:20:28,773 --> 01:20:32,013
Speaker 3: doing late night laundry when she was an eyewitness to

1600
01:20:32,053 --> 01:20:34,413
Speaker 3: the aftermath of a murder, and she came forward to

1601
01:20:34,613 --> 01:20:37,013
Speaker 3: explain what she'd seen. She was a witness, right, she

1602
01:20:37,133 --> 01:20:40,613
Speaker 3: came forward, But then she was convicted of murder. There

1603
01:20:40,693 --> 01:20:43,853
Speaker 3: was another one where a guy's wife was murdered, even

1604
01:20:43,933 --> 01:20:47,293
Speaker 3: though there were people who were alibis who saw him

1605
01:20:47,333 --> 01:20:51,333
Speaker 3: at a conference like halfway across the state from where

1606
01:20:52,213 --> 01:20:54,613
Speaker 3: the murder occurred, and yet somehow he was convicted of

1607
01:20:54,653 --> 01:20:57,533
Speaker 3: the murder. He spent thirty five years in jail. So

1608
01:20:57,653 --> 01:21:00,373
Speaker 3: John Grisham is fascinated by these cases, and he's got

1609
01:21:00,413 --> 01:21:03,053
Speaker 3: a little compendium of stories for people who were wrongly

1610
01:21:03,093 --> 01:21:04,893
Speaker 3: convicted or framed. I'm going to tell you more about

1611
01:21:04,933 --> 01:21:07,733
Speaker 3: his book performed day now, though it is nine minutes

1612
01:21:07,773 --> 01:21:13,773
Speaker 3: past eleven. Jack and Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being

1613
01:21:13,853 --> 01:21:16,133
Speaker 3: our psychologists as with us this morning to Doogle.

1614
01:21:17,413 --> 01:21:18,453
Speaker 21: Good morning, Jack.

1615
01:21:18,533 --> 01:21:21,813
Speaker 22: Hey, we're both out of our usual comfort zones this morning.

1616
01:21:21,853 --> 01:21:23,693
Speaker 22: By the sound of it. You're in the You're in

1617
01:21:23,733 --> 01:21:26,293
Speaker 22: the US of A. And I'm I'm down in Calbourn

1618
01:21:26,373 --> 01:21:29,413
Speaker 22: at the St. Michael's Church. Fear on the White Elephant

1619
01:21:29,493 --> 01:21:30,653
Speaker 22: stare of all things.

1620
01:21:31,013 --> 01:21:34,173
Speaker 3: Oh the white elephants saw. So just give us a

1621
01:21:34,213 --> 01:21:36,493
Speaker 3: run through. What sort of products are you hawking this morning?

1622
01:21:36,573 --> 01:21:38,813
Speaker 3: What are you trying to shield to the masses.

1623
01:21:39,733 --> 01:21:41,373
Speaker 22: I've been trying to get rid of a couple of

1624
01:21:41,413 --> 01:21:46,093
Speaker 22: electric knives. We've got, We've got we've got a porter

1625
01:21:46,213 --> 01:21:49,493
Speaker 22: cot for for for a baby, and a couple of

1626
01:21:49,573 --> 01:21:52,453
Speaker 22: lamps would would also be put. Plus a whole lot

1627
01:21:52,493 --> 01:21:55,973
Speaker 22: of not particularly useful electrical equipment and a leaf flower.

1628
01:21:56,253 --> 01:21:59,013
Speaker 22: That's the I think that's the top, the top thing

1629
01:21:59,053 --> 01:22:01,773
Speaker 22: that we've still got it's a great leaf flower. If

1630
01:22:01,813 --> 01:22:03,333
Speaker 22: you're interested, I could always put your name on it

1631
01:22:03,333 --> 01:22:04,773
Speaker 22: and you can send me the check once you get

1632
01:22:04,773 --> 01:22:05,453
Speaker 22: back into the country.

1633
01:22:06,413 --> 01:22:09,413
Speaker 3: See, I'm not into leaf blowers. I'm I'm, but I'm I'm.

1634
01:22:09,573 --> 01:22:12,733
Speaker 3: I'm always a little bit seduced by the idea of those,

1635
01:22:12,813 --> 01:22:14,773
Speaker 3: you know, the suckers, the kind of the opposites of

1636
01:22:14,853 --> 01:22:16,973
Speaker 3: the leaf blowers. They have the big bag. I've always

1637
01:22:17,013 --> 01:22:19,493
Speaker 3: wondered how effective they actually are because I look at them.

1638
01:22:19,853 --> 01:22:21,813
Speaker 3: I look at them on trade me from time to time,

1639
01:22:21,893 --> 01:22:23,693
Speaker 3: and I have to We've got a little courtyard that

1640
01:22:23,733 --> 01:22:25,493
Speaker 3: I always have to sweep up, and I always think, oh,

1641
01:22:25,573 --> 01:22:27,253
Speaker 3: maybe it's time that I get a big sucker for

1642
01:22:27,293 --> 01:22:27,893
Speaker 3: the backyard.

1643
01:22:27,973 --> 01:22:28,853
Speaker 2: But I haven't.

1644
01:22:28,893 --> 01:22:30,893
Speaker 3: I haven't haven't pulled the trigger just yet.

1645
01:22:31,813 --> 01:22:34,533
Speaker 22: Well, you know, as you need a blower just in

1646
01:22:34,573 --> 01:22:35,693
Speaker 22: the meantime, just let me know.

1647
01:22:37,293 --> 01:22:39,293
Speaker 3: Anyway, it is a bit of a blast in the

1648
01:22:39,333 --> 01:22:41,813
Speaker 3: past to have a white elephant stand, to be perfectly honest,

1649
01:22:41,813 --> 01:22:43,973
Speaker 3: because most of the sort of secondhand buying and selling

1650
01:22:44,093 --> 01:22:46,493
Speaker 3: goes on to Facebook, Marketplace or trade me these days.

1651
01:22:46,493 --> 01:22:48,653
Speaker 3: So I'm glad to hear that you were you were

1652
01:22:48,693 --> 01:22:51,253
Speaker 3: out there doing it although I can't imagine what the

1653
01:22:51,493 --> 01:22:54,653
Speaker 3: what the demand is going to be like for one

1654
01:22:54,773 --> 01:22:58,013
Speaker 3: electric knife, let alone two electric knives. I feel like

1655
01:22:58,133 --> 01:23:00,333
Speaker 3: that was a fad. That's kind of that's you know,

1656
01:23:00,413 --> 01:23:03,133
Speaker 3: that's gone the way of the old popcorn makers. You know,

1657
01:23:03,293 --> 01:23:03,653
Speaker 3: that's just.

1658
01:23:06,173 --> 01:23:07,653
Speaker 19: You don't say that too loudly.

1659
01:23:07,933 --> 01:23:08,733
Speaker 5: I'm going to sell them.

1660
01:23:08,773 --> 01:23:10,773
Speaker 3: No, no, no, sorry, sorry sorry. It sounds like you've

1661
01:23:10,773 --> 01:23:12,893
Speaker 3: had an amazing products and everyone should get down there

1662
01:23:12,933 --> 01:23:15,573
Speaker 3: this morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah too, right, anyway, it looks

1663
01:23:16,093 --> 01:23:20,853
Speaker 3: alb that's right, very good. So twenty twenty four has

1664
01:23:20,973 --> 01:23:25,133
Speaker 3: obviously been a pretty difficult year for lots of organizations,

1665
01:23:25,253 --> 01:23:28,213
Speaker 3: lots of businesses, and the economy isn't out of the

1666
01:23:28,253 --> 01:23:31,013
Speaker 3: woods just yet. But you reckon now is actually a

1667
01:23:31,093 --> 01:23:34,813
Speaker 3: great time to take stock of how the year has

1668
01:23:34,933 --> 01:23:37,813
Speaker 3: kind of impacting on people within an organization with something

1669
01:23:37,853 --> 01:23:42,093
Speaker 3: called a psychosocial risk assessment. So what on earth is that?

1670
01:23:43,293 --> 01:23:47,893
Speaker 22: No, you're exactly right, it's been a tricky year fort

1671
01:23:48,053 --> 01:23:52,173
Speaker 22: I think most businesses and organizations in New Zealand, and

1672
01:23:52,333 --> 01:23:55,093
Speaker 22: one of the hidden effects of that is the psychological

1673
01:23:55,293 --> 01:24:01,853
Speaker 22: impact and the psychological harm that people can suffer at work.

1674
01:24:02,013 --> 01:24:05,093
Speaker 22: And that's what we would refer to as a psychosocial risk.

1675
01:24:05,213 --> 01:24:09,213
Speaker 22: So these are in a workplace that they don't necessarily

1676
01:24:09,333 --> 01:24:12,853
Speaker 22: cause you physical harm, but they could cause you some

1677
01:24:13,413 --> 01:24:16,253
Speaker 22: psychological harm. They can cause a physical harm as well,

1678
01:24:16,293 --> 01:24:20,773
Speaker 22: but it's the things like, for example, bullying or a

1679
01:24:20,933 --> 01:24:24,173
Speaker 22: high workload. Now that's not probably going to cause you

1680
01:24:24,253 --> 01:24:26,053
Speaker 22: too much. You know, it's not like a slip, trip

1681
01:24:26,173 --> 01:24:27,773
Speaker 22: or a fall. You know, it's not like a loose

1682
01:24:27,933 --> 01:24:30,613
Speaker 22: cable or something like that. But it is a hazard

1683
01:24:30,693 --> 01:24:34,693
Speaker 22: in your workplace. And I think now, if any organization

1684
01:24:34,813 --> 01:24:36,933
Speaker 22: has been through a big change, now is a really

1685
01:24:36,973 --> 01:24:40,053
Speaker 22: good time to stop and take stock of has that

1686
01:24:40,253 --> 01:24:43,133
Speaker 22: change actually had a negative impact on the mental wellbeing

1687
01:24:43,213 --> 01:24:43,773
Speaker 22: of your people?

1688
01:24:44,373 --> 01:24:46,613
Speaker 3: And so how do you take stock? How do you

1689
01:24:46,693 --> 01:24:47,173
Speaker 3: assess that?

1690
01:24:48,373 --> 01:24:52,613
Speaker 22: Yeah, look, there's no one single way. So there's first

1691
01:24:52,733 --> 01:24:55,133
Speaker 22: I would say, in an organization, look at the data

1692
01:24:55,253 --> 01:24:59,133
Speaker 22: that you've already got, so you know, look at things

1693
01:24:59,373 --> 01:25:03,253
Speaker 22: like is there a particular area in your workplace where

1694
01:25:03,293 --> 01:25:07,053
Speaker 22: there might be high levels of sick leave example, that

1695
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:10,533
Speaker 22: might be a suggestion. Are there people at work who've

1696
01:25:10,573 --> 01:25:13,373
Speaker 22: got lots and lots of annually going And I know

1697
01:25:13,493 --> 01:25:16,053
Speaker 22: that from an accountancy perspective, that's not a great thing.

1698
01:25:16,133 --> 01:25:18,933
Speaker 22: But also why aren't people able to take their annual lead.

1699
01:25:19,213 --> 01:25:21,533
Speaker 22: It may be because they feel that there's too much

1700
01:25:21,653 --> 01:25:24,253
Speaker 22: work to do. So you can look at the data

1701
01:25:24,373 --> 01:25:27,493
Speaker 22: that you've got. You know, at Umbrella we do this

1702
01:25:27,613 --> 01:25:29,813
Speaker 22: sort of stuff a lot as well. We're like an

1703
01:25:29,853 --> 01:25:33,133
Speaker 22: independent external agency that would come in and help you

1704
01:25:33,253 --> 01:25:36,293
Speaker 22: doing that. But there's no one single way but looking

1705
01:25:36,293 --> 01:25:39,333
Speaker 22: at all the Sorry, the other key thing I should

1706
01:25:39,373 --> 01:25:41,893
Speaker 22: say is make sure you talk to people at the

1707
01:25:41,973 --> 01:25:47,253
Speaker 22: cold face. We often risk imagining what the work is

1708
01:25:47,373 --> 01:25:49,933
Speaker 22: like without actually going and talking to people, and it's

1709
01:25:50,093 --> 01:25:52,293
Speaker 22: crucial that you go and talk to your staff find

1710
01:25:52,333 --> 01:25:54,773
Speaker 22: out about what is actually going on on the ground.

1711
01:25:55,533 --> 01:25:59,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. The interesting thing about about psychosocial issues is that

1712
01:25:59,853 --> 01:26:03,013
Speaker 3: or psychosocial hazards is that they don't just lead to

1713
01:26:03,133 --> 01:26:05,173
Speaker 3: mental health problems, and I think that's the kind of

1714
01:26:05,213 --> 01:26:07,533
Speaker 3: mental well being stuff is be pretty obvious. But they

1715
01:26:07,613 --> 01:26:09,773
Speaker 3: can also lead to physical health issues.

1716
01:26:09,493 --> 01:26:11,053
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they can.

1717
01:26:11,173 --> 01:26:14,693
Speaker 22: It's really interesting and it's often something that people overlook

1718
01:26:14,733 --> 01:26:17,493
Speaker 22: and sometimes, to be honest, I sometimes forget about it too.

1719
01:26:17,573 --> 01:26:21,573
Speaker 22: But those psychosocial hazards are one of the leading causes

1720
01:26:21,613 --> 01:26:24,573
Speaker 22: of muscular skeletal problems and people it's from, you know,

1721
01:26:24,693 --> 01:26:26,533
Speaker 22: think about the tension that you might carry in your

1722
01:26:26,573 --> 01:26:30,693
Speaker 22: shoulders if you're stressed all the time. Also a contributed

1723
01:26:30,693 --> 01:26:34,013
Speaker 22: to things like elevated blood pressure and heart problems, and

1724
01:26:34,093 --> 01:26:37,493
Speaker 22: that's probably from being under chronic stress and having lots

1725
01:26:37,533 --> 01:26:40,173
Speaker 22: of quartersole rushing around in your blood stream all the time.

1726
01:26:40,293 --> 01:26:43,973
Speaker 22: So important to recognize that not only a mental effect

1727
01:26:44,053 --> 01:26:46,133
Speaker 22: but also a physical effect on people as well.

1728
01:26:47,133 --> 01:26:48,813
Speaker 3: Okay, hey, very good now. I know you've got a

1729
01:26:48,853 --> 01:26:52,253
Speaker 3: busy day obviously at the White Elephants standards a queue

1730
01:26:52,293 --> 01:26:54,773
Speaker 3: of keen buyers lining up right now to barter for

1731
01:26:54,853 --> 01:26:57,293
Speaker 3: those electric knives. But are you going to the Derby tonight?

1732
01:26:57,373 --> 01:27:02,373
Speaker 22: Google, I haven't got plans to tonight. I might well

1733
01:27:02,453 --> 01:27:04,133
Speaker 22: go down to the pub and watch one TV.

1734
01:27:04,053 --> 01:27:07,293
Speaker 3: Though, Doogle, come on, I would have thought, especially you

1735
01:27:07,373 --> 01:27:10,373
Speaker 3: know what that that that wonderful Wellington Phoenix tradition when

1736
01:27:10,373 --> 01:27:12,293
Speaker 3: they're up at eighty minutes right, you've got it and

1737
01:27:12,373 --> 01:27:13,813
Speaker 3: you're part of the home crowd. You've got to whip

1738
01:27:13,893 --> 01:27:15,413
Speaker 3: the shirt off and circle that round you. You know,

1739
01:27:15,413 --> 01:27:17,253
Speaker 3: I would have thought that'd be your scene, doogle?

1740
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:19,893
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, well you're talking.

1741
01:27:19,973 --> 01:27:23,853
Speaker 22: You're talking me into it, aren't you really. My son's

1742
01:27:23,933 --> 01:27:25,933
Speaker 22: just moved to Auckland or sorry, he's been in Auckland

1743
01:27:25,973 --> 01:27:28,693
Speaker 22: for a few years, but he's just latched onto supporting

1744
01:27:28,733 --> 01:27:29,413
Speaker 22: Auckland FC.

1745
01:27:30,253 --> 01:27:31,573
Speaker 21: So now we've got a bit of you know.

1746
01:27:31,693 --> 01:27:34,213
Speaker 22: Into rivalry within the family as well with the old

1747
01:27:34,253 --> 01:27:38,053
Speaker 22: Wellington Yeah, it'll be a great match. I think it's

1748
01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:38,653
Speaker 22: a great match.

1749
01:27:39,253 --> 01:27:39,813
Speaker 6: No, it will be.

1750
01:27:39,933 --> 01:27:41,813
Speaker 3: Hey, good luck this morning. We'll be thinking of you

1751
01:27:41,933 --> 01:27:46,293
Speaker 3: and crossing our fingers for for lots of buyers whom

1752
01:27:46,493 --> 01:27:48,573
Speaker 3: you can play off against each other and drive the

1753
01:27:48,653 --> 01:27:52,453
Speaker 3: prices up at the White Elephants Stand. Dooglesodland from Umbrella Wellbeing,

1754
01:27:52,453 --> 01:27:54,613
Speaker 3: we'll put all of his tips there for psychosocial hazards

1755
01:27:54,613 --> 01:27:56,653
Speaker 3: and doing a bit of a check at your workplace

1756
01:27:56,773 --> 01:27:58,973
Speaker 3: or organization up on the news talks d website. And

1757
01:27:59,013 --> 01:28:01,413
Speaker 3: speaking of that local derby five pm this evening at

1758
01:28:01,413 --> 01:28:05,333
Speaker 3: Sky Stadium in Wellington, Jason Pine is on weekend sport

1759
01:28:05,493 --> 01:28:08,293
Speaker 3: and will no doubt he's salivating at that prospect. I'll

1760
01:28:08,333 --> 01:28:10,253
Speaker 3: get his pick for who he thinks is going to

1761
01:28:10,293 --> 01:28:15,613
Speaker 3: take out the first New Zealand d I think it's

1762
01:28:15,653 --> 01:28:17,533
Speaker 3: not technically the first New Zealand A Derby. It's the

1763
01:28:17,613 --> 01:28:21,493
Speaker 3: first derby of twenty twenty four between two New Zealand

1764
01:28:21,533 --> 01:28:23,213
Speaker 3: teams in the A League. Because of course we have

1765
01:28:23,333 --> 01:28:25,133
Speaker 3: had other teams in the A League as well as

1766
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:27,453
Speaker 3: the Phoenix in the past. Anyway, we'll find a more

1767
01:28:27,493 --> 01:28:30,053
Speaker 3: succinct way of explaining that before midday right now. At

1768
01:28:30,093 --> 01:28:32,973
Speaker 3: sixteen past eleven Travel.

1769
01:28:32,773 --> 01:28:36,853
Speaker 1: With Windy WU Tours unique fully Inclusive Tours around the World.

1770
01:28:43,053 --> 01:28:46,293
Speaker 3: Nineteen past eleven Non News Talks, he'b our travel correspondent

1771
01:28:46,373 --> 01:28:49,373
Speaker 3: Mike Yardley is I think, without a doubt the single

1772
01:28:49,693 --> 01:28:53,373
Speaker 3: keenest Christmas fan on Saturday mornings on News Talks, he'd

1773
01:28:53,413 --> 01:28:55,653
Speaker 3: b and given as the second of November. Given we

1774
01:28:55,733 --> 01:28:58,773
Speaker 3: are what seven eight weeks out, that means the inevitable

1775
01:28:58,853 --> 01:29:01,253
Speaker 3: of Mike's place. I cannot believe it, though, Mike, you've

1776
01:29:01,333 --> 01:29:02,933
Speaker 3: really got the decorations out already.

1777
01:29:03,533 --> 01:29:06,333
Speaker 21: We're all object so I scared off the trickled face.

1778
01:29:06,613 --> 01:29:09,013
Speaker 21: They thought that I'd just charged it in the calendar,

1779
01:29:09,133 --> 01:29:10,893
Speaker 21: so they gave me the wide birth, which was a

1780
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:14,053
Speaker 21: good thing. But I'm very please check speaking of seasons,

1781
01:29:14,093 --> 01:29:16,653
Speaker 21: I'm very pleased. Happy for all y'all. You've got a

1782
01:29:16,733 --> 01:29:18,933
Speaker 21: chance to do some leaf peeping in the States. That's

1783
01:29:19,013 --> 01:29:19,413
Speaker 21: so cool.

1784
01:29:20,093 --> 01:29:22,613
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean only only so much, but I

1785
01:29:22,693 --> 01:29:24,853
Speaker 3: mean it's when you're traveling through the Northeast. I mean,

1786
01:29:24,893 --> 01:29:27,253
Speaker 3: it's just amazing all of the leaves are turning, and

1787
01:29:27,653 --> 01:29:30,533
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC at this time of year, it's extraordinary.

1788
01:29:30,613 --> 01:29:30,733
Speaker 13: Right.

1789
01:29:30,773 --> 01:29:33,413
Speaker 3: But I think they always say that the best kind

1790
01:29:33,413 --> 01:29:35,813
Speaker 3: of leaf viewing or what do you call it, leaf

1791
01:29:37,773 --> 01:29:42,133
Speaker 3: leaf peeping, Okay, leaft peeping. That's in kind of Maine

1792
01:29:42,173 --> 01:29:45,533
Speaker 3: and Vermont had that part of the country, right, the

1793
01:29:45,853 --> 01:29:49,173
Speaker 3: northeastern states in the United States. I honestly, it's it's

1794
01:29:49,213 --> 01:29:51,533
Speaker 3: it's pretty pretty amazing everywhere. So just to be clear

1795
01:29:51,573 --> 01:29:53,853
Speaker 3: that you've got all of the decorations out at your place,

1796
01:29:54,213 --> 01:29:54,413
Speaker 3: I have.

1797
01:29:54,693 --> 01:29:56,973
Speaker 21: Yeah, it took me about three days, honestly to do

1798
01:29:57,093 --> 01:30:00,293
Speaker 21: the whole house. But I've gone full of Mary days. Yeah,

1799
01:30:00,333 --> 01:30:03,893
Speaker 21: three days, and I've gone like full Clark at Griswold.

1800
01:30:04,093 --> 01:30:06,813
Speaker 21: So I've got like seven foot high snow. Mean, and

1801
01:30:07,013 --> 01:30:09,453
Speaker 21: I've been on the team this year.

1802
01:30:09,533 --> 01:30:15,173
Speaker 3: I have to say, Mike, you don't have the same

1803
01:30:15,293 --> 01:30:16,653
Speaker 3: Christmas decorations every year.

1804
01:30:17,293 --> 01:30:20,653
Speaker 21: I add, I do a little bit of adding each year. Yeah,

1805
01:30:21,173 --> 01:30:23,093
Speaker 21: It's about tragic, really, isn't it. I have a lot

1806
01:30:23,133 --> 01:30:37,093
Speaker 21: of people checking on me, Jack, as you.

1807
01:30:37,213 --> 01:30:40,733
Speaker 13: Promised me that I was more than all the miles combine.

1808
01:30:40,813 --> 01:30:44,253
Speaker 13: You must have had yourself change part back heathway through

1809
01:30:44,293 --> 01:30:47,413
Speaker 13: the drive because your voice turned off exactly as you

1810
01:30:47,573 --> 01:30:51,613
Speaker 13: passed my exits say, kept on driving straight and left

1811
01:30:51,653 --> 01:30:54,733
Speaker 13: our future to the right. Now I have stuck between

1812
01:30:54,813 --> 01:30:57,733
Speaker 13: my anger in the plane that I cared face and

1813
01:30:57,773 --> 01:31:01,613
Speaker 13: ever Reese. Something even smoking weed is now in place,

1814
01:31:01,813 --> 01:31:04,893
Speaker 13: and I am terrified of whether because I see you

1815
01:31:05,053 --> 01:31:08,733
Speaker 13: when it rains. Talk told me to travel, but there's

1816
01:31:08,853 --> 01:31:12,853
Speaker 13: COVID on the planes and a vermu. But it's the

1817
01:31:12,973 --> 01:31:17,293
Speaker 13: season of the sticks and suck your mom. She forgot

1818
01:31:17,373 --> 01:31:21,053
Speaker 13: that excess there. It's half my fault, but I just

1819
01:31:21,093 --> 01:31:22,253
Speaker 13: start to play the victim.

1820
01:31:22,293 --> 01:31:24,133
Speaker 2: My drink how ah.

1821
01:31:24,373 --> 01:31:26,013
Speaker 3: You see, this is what happens when you rely on

1822
01:31:26,093 --> 01:31:28,653
Speaker 3: technology trying to do a show around the world. You're

1823
01:31:28,653 --> 01:31:31,573
Speaker 3: focusing too much on Christmas. You're criticizing Mike for spending

1824
01:31:31,613 --> 01:31:34,053
Speaker 3: too much on TIMU, and all of a sudden the

1825
01:31:34,093 --> 01:31:36,573
Speaker 3: connection drops out. But we're back. Sorry about that, Mike.

1826
01:31:36,693 --> 01:31:41,253
Speaker 3: So to be totally clear, you have different decorations every year.

1827
01:31:42,013 --> 01:31:44,773
Speaker 21: I do additions each year, so I've got my base.

1828
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:46,813
Speaker 21: So I've got my base. Christmas s take or and

1829
01:31:46,893 --> 01:31:51,853
Speaker 21: then we just add to it, you know. But the titillation, Wow, yeah, oh.

1830
01:31:51,853 --> 01:31:56,213
Speaker 3: Dear, good for you, Jack, I think so. If anything,

1831
01:31:56,573 --> 01:31:59,133
Speaker 3: if you need to spend several days putting out at

1832
01:31:59,213 --> 01:32:01,413
Speaker 3: Christmas decorations, I think we can safely agree that that

1833
01:32:01,653 --> 01:32:03,533
Speaker 3: is probably a little bit of an addiction. Still, there

1834
01:32:03,573 --> 01:32:05,653
Speaker 3: are many worse things to be addicted to. Now we

1835
01:32:05,733 --> 01:32:10,173
Speaker 3: are focusing on Orange County, California this morning, and aside

1836
01:32:10,213 --> 01:32:13,253
Speaker 3: from Mickey and Friends, what would top your hit list

1837
01:32:13,453 --> 01:32:14,213
Speaker 3: in Anaheim?

1838
01:32:14,773 --> 01:32:17,813
Speaker 21: Yes, Well, given presidential politics is in full cry, I

1839
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:20,373
Speaker 21: was very keen Jack a couple of weeks ago to

1840
01:32:20,533 --> 01:32:27,253
Speaker 21: check out another controversial White House residence legacy. So I

1841
01:32:27,453 --> 01:32:30,733
Speaker 21: went to the Richard Nixon Presidential Library, which is beneath

1842
01:32:30,773 --> 01:32:35,213
Speaker 21: the Anaheim Hills. It is the most beautifully designed facility.

1843
01:32:35,333 --> 01:32:38,653
Speaker 21: The storytelling there is so absorbing, and I mean, obviously

1844
01:32:38,773 --> 01:32:42,973
Speaker 21: they spent a lot of time packing the whole Watergate scandal,

1845
01:32:44,013 --> 01:32:46,533
Speaker 21: but there were just so many aspects, so many threads

1846
01:32:46,613 --> 01:32:50,173
Speaker 21: to his repertoire that I hadn't previously appreciated things right,

1847
01:32:50,293 --> 01:32:53,053
Speaker 21: that cleaned the erect the wall on cancer, which a

1848
01:32:53,133 --> 01:32:57,213
Speaker 21: lot of cancer specialists in the States they still attribute

1849
01:32:57,533 --> 01:33:01,893
Speaker 21: his leadership on cancer treatment to you know, a lot

1850
01:33:01,933 --> 01:33:06,573
Speaker 21: of the breakthrough treatments coming out today. So yeah, adding

1851
01:33:06,613 --> 01:33:08,053
Speaker 21: Presidential Library.

1852
01:33:08,453 --> 01:33:09,773
Speaker 3: What were the big highlights?

1853
01:33:10,493 --> 01:33:14,573
Speaker 21: Well, Jack, as you would know, all presidential libraries had

1854
01:33:14,653 --> 01:33:19,413
Speaker 21: those replica oval office facilities, which are very popular for

1855
01:33:19,493 --> 01:33:22,253
Speaker 21: photo ops. I actually think the most popular selfie spot

1856
01:33:22,693 --> 01:33:26,133
Speaker 21: at Nixon's library is to stand on the steps of

1857
01:33:26,293 --> 01:33:31,173
Speaker 21: the Sakowski C. King helicopter, which is from where he

1858
01:33:31,373 --> 01:33:34,013
Speaker 21: famously farewelled the nation on the White House South Law

1859
01:33:34,013 --> 01:33:35,813
Speaker 21: and it's so cool to have that chop of there.

1860
01:33:36,533 --> 01:33:40,893
Speaker 21: The most surprising feature you can walk through Nixon's childhood home.

1861
01:33:41,293 --> 01:33:43,493
Speaker 21: This was the most incredible vision on the part of

1862
01:33:43,493 --> 01:33:47,013
Speaker 21: the Nixons family. So they've got the century old house

1863
01:33:47,573 --> 01:33:50,733
Speaker 21: on the grounds of the Presidential Library, and they built

1864
01:33:50,813 --> 01:33:55,893
Speaker 21: the library all around the house. He and his wife,

1865
01:33:56,013 --> 01:33:58,973
Speaker 21: Patricia Nixon. They are buried on site next to the

1866
01:33:59,013 --> 01:34:01,093
Speaker 21: most sublime Rose Garden, which is actually one of the

1867
01:34:01,133 --> 01:34:04,293
Speaker 21: most popular wedding locations in Orange County. And I was

1868
01:34:04,333 --> 01:34:06,973
Speaker 21: here on a Saturday and there was this bags black Head,

1869
01:34:07,013 --> 01:34:11,253
Speaker 21: California wedding taking place while I visited just meters away

1870
01:34:11,253 --> 01:34:14,373
Speaker 21: from the Mixon Grave site only in Anaheim.

1871
01:34:15,013 --> 01:34:18,413
Speaker 3: Hahah, that's peculiar. Oh how good though. So for a

1872
01:34:18,533 --> 01:34:21,253
Speaker 3: change of scenery, how did you write Angel Stadium?

1873
01:34:21,933 --> 01:34:22,093
Speaker 6: Oh?

1874
01:34:22,213 --> 01:34:24,813
Speaker 21: Wow, yes, Well, of course the Dodgers they won the

1875
01:34:24,853 --> 01:34:28,333
Speaker 21: World Series. But the other LA Baseball team the Angels,

1876
01:34:28,533 --> 01:34:31,853
Speaker 21: and they were founded by gene Autry. Of here comes

1877
01:34:31,933 --> 01:34:37,493
Speaker 21: Santa Claus fame. Angels Stadium as a ballpark with wow

1878
01:34:37,693 --> 01:34:41,733
Speaker 21: factor Jack, because Disney took the reins from gene Autry

1879
01:34:41,813 --> 01:34:46,133
Speaker 21: in the nineties and their imagineers just went crazy with

1880
01:34:46,293 --> 01:34:49,013
Speaker 21: the stadium. So out on the main entrance you got

1881
01:34:49,053 --> 01:34:53,173
Speaker 21: these two gigantic red baseball hats adorning the entrance and

1882
01:34:53,293 --> 01:34:57,493
Speaker 21: inside the ground at the southern ends, this enormous artificial

1883
01:34:57,693 --> 01:35:01,653
Speaker 21: mountain side completes with the cascading waterfall, and when the

1884
01:35:01,733 --> 01:35:03,693
Speaker 21: Angels head a home run, the whole thing blows up

1885
01:35:03,733 --> 01:35:07,653
Speaker 21: in fireworks. You're Disney took it behind the scenes tour

1886
01:35:07,693 --> 01:35:11,053
Speaker 21: of the stadium and mannerlife the changing rooms. It makes

1887
01:35:11,133 --> 01:35:14,693
Speaker 21: the player facilities at Eden Park look like a Super

1888
01:35:14,773 --> 01:35:19,613
Speaker 21: eight motel, you know, compared to the rich Carlton Lax

1889
01:35:20,013 --> 01:35:22,133
Speaker 21: at Angels. It really is an eye opener.

1890
01:35:23,013 --> 01:35:26,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, that sounds so good. So Orange County is

1891
01:35:26,573 --> 01:35:29,613
Speaker 3: building like a whole new kind of downtown district day.

1892
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:34,173
Speaker 21: Yes, So from Angels Stadium, it's a very close close walk,

1893
01:35:34,373 --> 01:35:37,253
Speaker 21: probably five minutes to Honda Center, which is home to

1894
01:35:37,293 --> 01:35:40,413
Speaker 21: the Anaheim Mighty Ducks the ice hockey team, and that

1895
01:35:40,653 --> 01:35:45,013
Speaker 21: whole precinct between the two venues is being transformed into

1896
01:35:45,093 --> 01:35:48,733
Speaker 21: this glittering new downtown for Anaheim and Orange County. They

1897
01:35:48,813 --> 01:35:52,093
Speaker 21: call it o c Vibe, but just the sheer scale

1898
01:35:52,133 --> 01:35:55,613
Speaker 21: of this project jacket's like something out of Dubai. There

1899
01:35:55,653 --> 01:35:59,853
Speaker 21: are six billion dollars being spent on it, all funded

1900
01:35:59,933 --> 01:36:02,453
Speaker 21: by a family called the Samueli family who made their

1901
01:36:02,493 --> 01:36:06,693
Speaker 21: fortune as chip maker. So yeah, if you're heading to Anheim,

1902
01:36:06,773 --> 01:36:09,693
Speaker 21: check out this downtown project. It's going to unfold over

1903
01:36:09,693 --> 01:36:12,013
Speaker 21: the next few years. Most of it should be complete

1904
01:36:12,093 --> 01:36:14,653
Speaker 21: in time for the Olympics in twenty twenty eight.

1905
01:36:15,253 --> 01:36:17,413
Speaker 3: Ah yeah, yeah, of course. Did you stake out some

1906
01:36:17,573 --> 01:36:18,293
Speaker 3: good galleries?

1907
01:36:18,813 --> 01:36:20,893
Speaker 21: There are some really interesting fines.

1908
01:36:21,013 --> 01:36:21,213
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1909
01:36:21,373 --> 01:36:24,613
Speaker 21: So, like in contrast to the futuristic new downtown district,

1910
01:36:24,773 --> 01:36:28,293
Speaker 21: if you're an Anaheim's historic art take call, we wander

1911
01:36:28,373 --> 01:36:31,613
Speaker 21: through the Museo Museum. They do a really good job

1912
01:36:32,213 --> 01:36:35,933
Speaker 21: just telling the backstory of Anaheim's roots, which, as the

1913
01:36:36,053 --> 01:36:41,293
Speaker 21: name would suggest, Anaheim started as a German wine making settlement.

1914
01:36:41,413 --> 01:36:46,053
Speaker 21: After they grabbed the land off Mexico and those vineyards,

1915
01:36:46,093 --> 01:36:48,853
Speaker 21: they were decimated by a plague, so that's when the

1916
01:36:48,933 --> 01:36:52,773
Speaker 21: Germans switched to Citrus, which of course gave rise to

1917
01:36:52,813 --> 01:36:55,653
Speaker 21: the name Orange County, a very cool throwback to the

1918
01:36:55,733 --> 01:36:59,253
Speaker 21: Orange Gribes era. Across the road from the museum Anaheim

1919
01:36:59,333 --> 01:37:03,253
Speaker 21: packing House. This is such an amazing building. So it

1920
01:37:03,573 --> 01:37:06,733
Speaker 21: was the old Citrus packing house back in the nineteenth entry,

1921
01:37:07,213 --> 01:37:10,853
Speaker 21: and it's been revitalized as a really trendy food and porium,

1922
01:37:11,213 --> 01:37:13,293
Speaker 21: kind of like christ Church's Riverside Market.

1923
01:37:13,933 --> 01:37:18,493
Speaker 3: N Okay to the south of Anaheim. Why is Costa

1924
01:37:18,613 --> 01:37:22,053
Speaker 3: Mesa or is the California say Coast e Mesa popular?

1925
01:37:22,693 --> 01:37:25,653
Speaker 21: They so do well. If ever, you need a reminder

1926
01:37:25,813 --> 01:37:30,613
Speaker 21: about the serious wealth in Orange County, Coast e Mesa

1927
01:37:30,973 --> 01:37:35,773
Speaker 21: is another star specimen. So you've just got extraordinary statement

1928
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Speaker 21: architecture here. It's like a sequence of art museums like Okma,

1929
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:44,653
Speaker 21: which has fantastic modernist and pop art. And then that's

1930
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Speaker 21: all part of a necklace of venues with these dearingly

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Speaker 21: designed concert halls and theaters. I've got this gigantic pink

1932
01:37:52,693 --> 01:37:57,053
Speaker 21: granite opera house with a massive stone art once again

1933
01:37:57,293 --> 01:37:59,613
Speaker 21: looks like something out of Dubai. But if you like

1934
01:37:59,693 --> 01:38:03,333
Speaker 21: your art and culture served up with bling, bling architecture,

1935
01:38:03,733 --> 01:38:07,053
Speaker 21: coast E Mesa is a must sy fantastic.

1936
01:38:07,173 --> 01:38:08,973
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, thank you so much, Mike. We're going to

1937
01:38:09,053 --> 01:38:12,213
Speaker 3: put all of those tips for touring around Orange County,

1938
01:38:12,253 --> 01:38:14,773
Speaker 3: California on the news talks he'db website, and we will

1939
01:38:14,813 --> 01:38:16,893
Speaker 3: eat you get back to your seven foot Christmas trees.

1940
01:38:16,893 --> 01:38:19,053
Speaker 3: You're only three days deep, but you know, Mike, I'm

1941
01:38:19,053 --> 01:38:21,493
Speaker 3: sure another three days won't hurt too much. But my goodness,

1942
01:38:21,533 --> 01:38:23,893
Speaker 3: your place is going to be like a beacon by

1943
01:38:23,933 --> 01:38:27,533
Speaker 3: the time how you've finished, Mike Hardleck, our travel correspondent

1944
01:38:27,573 --> 01:38:29,413
Speaker 3: there before midday. We've got this new music to play

1945
01:38:29,453 --> 01:38:31,693
Speaker 3: for you from Laura Marling, as well as that we're

1946
01:38:31,733 --> 01:38:33,373
Speaker 3: going to tell you about the new book from John

1947
01:38:33,453 --> 01:38:36,013
Speaker 3: Grisham that kind of is a little bit different to

1948
01:38:36,453 --> 01:38:38,773
Speaker 3: the regular books that we would expect from the King

1949
01:38:38,893 --> 01:38:41,573
Speaker 3: of Thrillers and it's just coming up to eleven thirty.

1950
01:38:45,973 --> 01:38:49,693
Speaker 1: For getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1951
01:38:49,813 --> 01:38:51,573
Speaker 1: team on news Talks EDB.

1952
01:39:09,413 --> 01:39:10,813
Speaker 4: I believe it is.

1953
01:39:10,893 --> 01:39:14,453
Speaker 3: Twenty years now since the Black Seeds released their album

1954
01:39:14,653 --> 01:39:17,093
Speaker 3: on the Sun and to mark the occasion, to mark

1955
01:39:17,133 --> 01:39:21,053
Speaker 3: the anniversary, that've dropped this previously unreleased single. It's going

1956
01:39:21,093 --> 01:39:23,613
Speaker 3: to be on a very special vinyl version of that album.

1957
01:39:23,733 --> 01:39:26,053
Speaker 3: Such a good sound Day twenty seven to twelve on

1958
01:39:26,133 --> 01:39:29,213
Speaker 3: your Saturday morning. Jason Pyne is taking control of things

1959
01:39:29,253 --> 01:39:32,493
Speaker 3: on Newstoks. He'db after midday today and counting down to

1960
01:39:32,613 --> 01:39:38,253
Speaker 3: the first ever derby between the Auckland FC black Knights

1961
01:39:38,533 --> 01:39:41,453
Speaker 3: and the Wellington Phoenix Keunter Ponty Kilder Jack.

1962
01:39:41,533 --> 01:39:44,013
Speaker 23: Yes, it's a fine day in the Capitol. I can

1963
01:39:44,133 --> 01:39:46,693
Speaker 23: report a bit breezy that won't surprise anybody. But yeah,

1964
01:39:46,733 --> 01:39:49,653
Speaker 23: looking forward to five o'clock this afternoon, sky Stadium and

1965
01:39:49,893 --> 01:39:51,573
Speaker 23: historic occasion and domestic football.

1966
01:39:51,773 --> 01:39:53,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do we expect. It's very hard to kind

1967
01:39:53,973 --> 01:39:55,773
Speaker 3: of gauge things. I mean, both sides have kind of

1968
01:39:55,813 --> 01:39:58,333
Speaker 3: started the start of the season really strong, but it's

1969
01:39:58,333 --> 01:40:00,013
Speaker 3: going to be really interesting to see from a kind

1970
01:40:00,053 --> 01:40:02,653
Speaker 3: of fan and cultural perspective, just how much of a

1971
01:40:02,773 --> 01:40:04,693
Speaker 3: rivalry were able to build up overnight.

1972
01:40:05,173 --> 01:40:09,933
Speaker 23: I think we're going to find a very very fierce rivalry,

1973
01:40:10,053 --> 01:40:11,653
Speaker 23: but fierce in a good way, if you know what

1974
01:40:11,693 --> 01:40:13,853
Speaker 23: I mean. This is all banter, nothing more than that.

1975
01:40:14,013 --> 01:40:16,653
Speaker 23: And look the latest time hearing is where we're pushing

1976
01:40:16,773 --> 01:40:20,893
Speaker 23: up well over twenty upwards towards twenty five thousand are

1977
01:40:20,933 --> 01:40:24,533
Speaker 23: expected this afternoon. Jack, There've been some strong ticket sales

1978
01:40:24,613 --> 01:40:26,493
Speaker 23: last couple of days. There are a lot of Auckland

1979
01:40:26,613 --> 01:40:28,533
Speaker 23: f C fans in Wellington, a lot of blue and

1980
01:40:28,613 --> 01:40:31,693
Speaker 23: black around the city that I've spotted this morning. Yeah,

1981
01:40:31,773 --> 01:40:34,613
Speaker 23: it's gonna be quite the occasion on the pitch. Look often,

1982
01:40:34,693 --> 01:40:36,813
Speaker 23: as you know, sometimes games don't live up to the

1983
01:40:36,893 --> 01:40:39,573
Speaker 23: hype that it surrounds them. I think it might be

1984
01:40:39,613 --> 01:40:41,973
Speaker 23: a bit cagy between these two bit of adrenaline, bit

1985
01:40:42,013 --> 01:40:44,373
Speaker 23: of nerves. I don't think it'll be a four to

1986
01:40:44,493 --> 01:40:47,253
Speaker 23: three more likely to be decided perhaps on one or

1987
01:40:47,253 --> 01:40:48,933
Speaker 23: two moments of brilliant or the odd mistake.

1988
01:40:49,053 --> 01:40:51,973
Speaker 3: But yeah, what an occasion I think.

1989
01:40:52,013 --> 01:40:53,573
Speaker 23: You know, when you think seven or eight years ago,

1990
01:40:54,253 --> 01:40:55,973
Speaker 23: you know there there was a campaign to get the

1991
01:40:56,013 --> 01:40:57,813
Speaker 23: Phoenix out of the A League. Now we've got two

1992
01:40:57,893 --> 01:41:00,493
Speaker 23: teams and this derby is the biggest talking point of

1993
01:41:00,493 --> 01:41:02,933
Speaker 23: the whole weekend on both sides of the Tasman. Yes,

1994
01:41:02,973 --> 01:41:04,973
Speaker 23: so simply simply can't wait to get down there.

1995
01:41:05,653 --> 01:41:06,933
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so good. So I was looking at

1996
01:41:06,973 --> 01:41:10,373
Speaker 3: ticket sales for the next derby between the Phoenix and

1997
01:41:10,453 --> 01:41:12,733
Speaker 3: auchand f seat in Auckland, and I think, honestly the

1998
01:41:12,813 --> 01:41:15,173
Speaker 3: cheapest ticket was like three hundred dollars left, but basically

1999
01:41:15,213 --> 01:41:18,053
Speaker 3: the tickets are all sold out. For goodness, yeah, so

2000
01:41:18,693 --> 01:41:20,933
Speaker 3: clearly there's this huge demand it. This is so good

2001
01:41:21,013 --> 01:41:23,093
Speaker 3: to see from the perspective of New Zealand football. Now

2002
01:41:23,173 --> 01:41:25,253
Speaker 3: four o'clock tomorrow morning, of course, the All Backs taking

2003
01:41:25,293 --> 01:41:28,533
Speaker 3: on England at Twickenham. What are your thoughts heading into

2004
01:41:28,613 --> 01:41:30,533
Speaker 3: this game and how do you feel about Boden Barrett

2005
01:41:30,533 --> 01:41:30,853
Speaker 3: at ten?

2006
01:41:31,333 --> 01:41:31,493
Speaker 2: Well?

2007
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Speaker 23: Well, first first, but first, I actually don't know whose favorite.

2008
01:41:35,813 --> 01:41:37,973
Speaker 23: I haven't checked any odds, but it feels as though

2009
01:41:38,253 --> 01:41:40,853
Speaker 23: this is very even. England haven't played a test since

2010
01:41:40,893 --> 01:41:43,173
Speaker 23: they were down here, so they've had what four months

2011
01:41:43,213 --> 01:41:45,653
Speaker 23: without a game in that time. The All Blacks have

2012
01:41:45,693 --> 01:41:47,813
Speaker 23: played a lot of tests rugby, tough test rugby. So

2013
01:41:47,893 --> 01:41:50,453
Speaker 23: what's more important being match hard and or being fresh?

2014
01:41:50,773 --> 01:41:53,053
Speaker 23: I guess we'll find out the twicken and factor always

2015
01:41:53,533 --> 01:41:55,333
Speaker 23: difficult to go there and win a game of rugby.

2016
01:41:55,853 --> 01:41:58,733
Speaker 23: As far as Boden Barretts concerned, I like the decision.

2017
01:41:59,013 --> 01:42:01,733
Speaker 23: I like him at first five ahead of Damien Mackenzie.

2018
01:42:01,733 --> 01:42:04,173
Speaker 23: I think Damien bring brings us some real value off

2019
01:42:04,213 --> 01:42:07,013
Speaker 23: the bench, but I like Boden running the cutter from

2020
01:42:07,013 --> 01:42:08,773
Speaker 23: the start. And of course you'll remember the last time

2021
01:42:08,773 --> 01:42:10,493
Speaker 23: we played England was at Eden Park. He came off

2022
01:42:10,533 --> 01:42:12,973
Speaker 23: the bench, Barrett and basically changed the game for us,

2023
01:42:13,013 --> 01:42:15,093
Speaker 23: so he'll be looking to do that from the start. Look,

2024
01:42:15,333 --> 01:42:17,973
Speaker 23: I really can't pick it one while or the other.

2025
01:42:18,053 --> 01:42:19,733
Speaker 23: I'd be keen to know, and I'm going to ask

2026
01:42:19,773 --> 01:42:22,253
Speaker 23: this question, but in an hour or so, what is

2027
01:42:22,293 --> 01:42:25,333
Speaker 23: acceptable over the next three weeks, because you know, following

2028
01:42:25,373 --> 01:42:28,133
Speaker 23: this only a six day turnaround for Ireland then France,

2029
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Speaker 23: three of the biggest and most powerful rugby teams in

2030
01:42:31,173 --> 01:42:34,253
Speaker 23: the world on their home patches. What is acceptable in

2031
01:42:34,373 --> 01:42:36,213
Speaker 23: terms of wins and losses for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 3: That's right, it's a big ask. It's a really big

2033
01:42:38,893 --> 01:42:40,133
Speaker 3: it's also on the show this afternoon.

2034
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Speaker 23: Will Greenwood is going to lead us off World Cup

2035
01:42:42,653 --> 01:42:45,373
Speaker 23: winning English midfielder from two thousand and three, lots of

2036
01:42:45,373 --> 01:42:48,533
Speaker 23: stuff on the derby and after to Alicia Hoskin, double

2037
01:42:48,733 --> 01:42:51,573
Speaker 23: gold medal winning peddler from Paris. She's going to relive

2038
01:42:51,613 --> 01:42:54,573
Speaker 23: those wonderful days with us and lots of chances for

2039
01:42:54,653 --> 01:42:57,053
Speaker 23: people have ever yearn and All Whites coach Darren Baisley

2040
01:42:57,133 --> 01:42:58,693
Speaker 23: is in town for the derby. He's going to pop

2041
01:42:58,733 --> 01:43:00,253
Speaker 23: in live to the studio just before three.

2042
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Speaker 3: Ah, very good, Oh very much looking forward to this afternoon,

2043
01:43:03,573 --> 01:43:06,253
Speaker 3: big show coming up, Thank you, Parney. Jason Fine will

2044
01:43:06,253 --> 01:43:08,813
Speaker 3: be with us behind the micro Weekend Sport right after

2045
01:43:08,893 --> 01:43:11,613
Speaker 3: the midday news on News Talks. He'b before twelve o'clock

2046
01:43:12,013 --> 01:43:14,413
Speaker 3: some of Patterns in Repeat. That is the new album

2047
01:43:14,533 --> 01:43:17,653
Speaker 3: from British singer songwriter Laura Marling. Right now it is

2048
01:43:17,733 --> 01:43:18,893
Speaker 3: twenty three minutes to twelve.

2049
01:43:20,333 --> 01:43:22,973
Speaker 2: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

2050
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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and Bpurret dot Co dot

2051
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Speaker 1: Nzen for high Quality Supplements US Talks NB.

2052
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Speaker 3: It's twenty one to twelve You with Jack Tame, on

2053
01:43:33,213 --> 01:43:36,133
Speaker 3: News Talks EDB. John Grisham has a new book, but

2054
01:43:36,253 --> 01:43:38,573
Speaker 3: he's doing things a little bit differently this time around.

2055
01:43:38,613 --> 01:43:40,933
Speaker 3: Our book reviewer Kathin Rains is here with all the details.

2056
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Speaker 3: Gold to Catherine. Good morning, Jack, So tell us about

2057
01:43:44,933 --> 01:43:47,373
Speaker 3: Framed by John Grisham and Jim McCloskey.

2058
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Speaker 24: So this is all about true stories about wrongful convictions.

2059
01:43:51,733 --> 01:43:54,013
Speaker 24: And obviously John Grisham's a well known author and he's

2060
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Speaker 24: also a lawyer, and he's teamed up with this guy,

2061
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Speaker 24: Jim McCluskey, who's the founder of Centurion Ministries and it's

2062
01:43:59,213 --> 01:44:02,933
Speaker 24: a nonprofit organization dedicated to exonerating the wrong for the convicted,

2063
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Speaker 24: and he's been working on that for about forty five years.

2064
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Speaker 24: So in Old Doating chapters, they both present different cases

2065
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Speaker 24: of justice miscarried, resulting in the unwarranted incarceration of ten

2066
01:44:13,733 --> 01:44:16,573
Speaker 24: innocent people. And you know, they talk about how they're

2067
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Speaker 24: rail raided into confessions after these interrogation nightmares and the

2068
01:44:20,453 --> 01:44:24,053
Speaker 24: blind eyes cast by authorities who just overlook material that

2069
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Speaker 24: would exonerate them because they determined they had their man.

2070
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Speaker 24: And so they look at the why and the wear

2071
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Speaker 24: of how each case and it's explained about you know,

2072
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Speaker 24: the people who were responsible for fitting innocent people in prison,

2073
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Speaker 24: and you know, some of those people ended up on

2074
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Speaker 24: death row, and the prosecutors and judges and policemen and

2075
01:44:39,053 --> 01:44:41,493
Speaker 24: some of these cases are actually still working, and some

2076
01:44:41,613 --> 01:44:43,893
Speaker 24: of these incarcerated people are still in prison even though

2077
01:44:43,933 --> 01:44:45,973
Speaker 24: there's proof that they're not guilty of the crime that

2078
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Speaker 24: they wis him. So you get this deceit and corruption

2079
01:44:48,933 --> 01:44:51,933
Speaker 24: that's found at every government level, and prosecutors that are

2080
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Speaker 24: willing to go to any lengths to secure convictions in

2081
01:44:54,733 --> 01:44:58,773
Speaker 24: the selections of jurors, particularly around CO and the particularly

2082
01:44:59,013 --> 01:45:02,373
Speaker 24: around co's confessions using polygraphs, and they tell them that

2083
01:45:02,373 --> 01:45:03,573
Speaker 24: they've failed and they hadn't.

2084
01:45:03,773 --> 01:45:06,253
Speaker 11: And then probably most prevalent in these.

2085
01:45:07,253 --> 01:45:10,733
Speaker 24: Jail house snitches who were relied to say anything and

2086
01:45:10,933 --> 01:45:13,813
Speaker 24: just no credibility because actually they were getting their own

2087
01:45:13,893 --> 01:45:18,173
Speaker 24: sentences and sometimes for murder reduced. And then there's on

2088
01:45:18,253 --> 01:45:20,373
Speaker 24: the other side of this as well, there's the experts

2089
01:45:20,413 --> 01:45:23,333
Speaker 24: who had done nothing in this field that they were

2090
01:45:23,613 --> 01:45:26,613
Speaker 24: supposedly experts in other than take a very short course

2091
01:45:26,733 --> 01:45:29,613
Speaker 24: and really don't know a lot about their subjects. And

2092
01:45:29,733 --> 01:45:32,173
Speaker 24: probably one of the most compelling cases and there is

2093
01:45:32,213 --> 01:45:36,053
Speaker 24: a guy called Cameron Todd Willingham, and he's executed for

2094
01:45:36,413 --> 01:45:39,893
Speaker 24: allegedly setting fire that killed his own children, and only

2095
01:45:40,173 --> 01:45:42,853
Speaker 24: very later does it become clear that the fire was

2096
01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:47,693
Speaker 24: completely accidental, and the experts that wording about it believed

2097
01:45:47,733 --> 01:45:51,693
Speaker 24: in faulty ars and science, and so it's really interesting.

2098
01:45:51,853 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 24: And in some cases these perpetrators of the crimes actually

2099
01:45:55,933 --> 01:45:59,733
Speaker 24: are key witnesses for the prosecution. So it's fascinating. And

2100
01:46:00,333 --> 01:46:02,733
Speaker 24: the authors mclausky and Grishman aren't saying that this kind

2101
01:46:02,773 --> 01:46:06,293
Speaker 24: of wrongful conviction is widespread, but what they do talk

2102
01:46:06,413 --> 01:46:10,093
Speaker 24: about is really compelling and eye opening in some of

2103
01:46:10,173 --> 01:46:13,613
Speaker 24: those grave injustices that just happen in the criminal justice system,

2104
01:46:13,733 --> 01:46:16,933
Speaker 24: and really really fascinating look in cases.

2105
01:46:17,653 --> 01:46:21,053
Speaker 3: Sounds great, sounds really really interesting. Okay, that's framed by

2106
01:46:21,133 --> 01:46:23,813
Speaker 3: John Grisham and Jim McCloskey. You've read The Elements of

2107
01:46:23,933 --> 01:46:27,013
Speaker 3: Marie Curry by Dava soble So.

2108
01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:30,373
Speaker 24: Dava Sober notes right in the beginning that Murray Curry

2109
01:46:30,533 --> 01:46:32,733
Speaker 24: is one of the few female scientists that most of

2110
01:46:32,813 --> 01:46:36,813
Speaker 24: us can actually name, and she was twice winning Nobel Laureate.

2111
01:46:36,933 --> 01:46:41,013
Speaker 24: In what she achieves in her lifetime is immense, and

2112
01:46:42,253 --> 01:46:45,973
Speaker 24: you know, Dava takes us back to Murray's childhood and education.

2113
01:46:46,133 --> 01:46:48,173
Speaker 24: She was born in Poland before she moves to the

2114
01:46:48,213 --> 01:46:52,333
Speaker 24: Suborn in Paris to further her studies, and when she

2115
01:46:52,493 --> 01:46:54,973
Speaker 24: enrolls in eighteen ninety one, she's one of one of

2116
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Speaker 24: twenty three female students among two thousand men to study science.

2117
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Speaker 24: And her experimental work was always at the forefront of

2118
01:47:01,653 --> 01:47:04,533
Speaker 24: her life. And she found love with her research partner, Pierre,

2119
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Speaker 24: and they married and had two daughters, and she focused

2120
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Speaker 24: on her work, but she always found time to give

2121
01:47:09,973 --> 01:47:13,373
Speaker 24: back to her scientific community and particularly other women in science,

2122
01:47:13,453 --> 01:47:17,813
Speaker 24: and that theme really flows up the book and other

2123
01:47:17,933 --> 01:47:20,653
Speaker 24: stories that are here, and she talks about how Marie

2124
01:47:20,813 --> 01:47:25,093
Speaker 24: and Peria collaborated on Marie's doctoral thesis and studying the

2125
01:47:25,213 --> 01:47:29,213
Speaker 24: unusual energy excluded by uranium, and during their investigation that's

2126
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Speaker 24: what they later term radioactivity, they discover the two new elements,

2127
01:47:32,573 --> 01:47:36,053
Speaker 24: polonium and radium, and then it really upended everything scientists

2128
01:47:36,133 --> 01:47:39,293
Speaker 24: understood about the material world. And her work shows that

2129
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Speaker 24: atoms were not as they being believed invisible and the

2130
01:47:42,453 --> 01:47:45,173
Speaker 24: funding bold room plots of our universe, and she's just

2131
01:47:45,453 --> 01:47:48,533
Speaker 24: she was just amazing and what she created and the

2132
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Speaker 24: scientific discoveries, but also this really focuses on the human

2133
01:47:53,413 --> 01:47:56,453
Speaker 24: stories of the people and the work and her you know,

2134
01:47:56,613 --> 01:47:58,653
Speaker 24: the people that she works with as well, and the

2135
01:47:58,733 --> 01:48:01,333
Speaker 24: people that she pulled together in her labs. And it's

2136
01:48:01,493 --> 01:48:04,173
Speaker 24: fascinating and it looks at that perspective of her work

2137
01:48:04,253 --> 01:48:06,773
Speaker 24: and life and research and all the accolades, and it's

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Speaker 24: a very interesting look at one of the great minds

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Speaker 24: of science and how immense her contribution was and still

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Speaker 24: is to the way that we understand the world, and

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Speaker 24: particularly the periodic table mate. Amazing feature she achieved.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, but that is The Elements of Marie Curry

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Speaker 3: by Davis Sobel and framed by John Grisham and Jim McCloskey,

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Speaker 3: was Catherine's first book. Where both of those will be

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Speaker 3: on the News Talks EDB website. Of course, we've got

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Speaker 3: this new Laura Marling album to play for you in

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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes right now. It is sixteen to twelve.

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Speaker 1: Bringing a taste of America back to you in New

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Speaker 1: Zealand live from the US. It's Saturday Mornings with Jack

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Speaker 1: Tabe and we view it on Code on insid for

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Speaker 1: high quality supplements, newstalksb.

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Speaker 19: That I could bake it. My purk is still strong,

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Speaker 19: EZ can make it. Bless you so whoo Bushad.

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Speaker 3: That is Child of Mine by Laura Marling. Beautiful voice,

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Speaker 3: isn't it just incredible? She's got a brand new album

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Speaker 3: called Patterns in Repeat and Estelle Clifford, our music reviewer,

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Speaker 3: has been listening Yoda Kilda whatever.

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Speaker 25: What a beautiful album. That song their Child of Mine

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Speaker 25: is how the album opens. It's actually the first song

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Speaker 25: Laura wrote after becoming a mum, and I think she's

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Speaker 25: really tried to think about bridging the gap before life

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Speaker 25: before she was a mom and then what life is

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Speaker 25: after that and the ever evolving home life.

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Speaker 14: And mixing in the art at the same time. And

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Speaker 14: I just I love this album.

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Speaker 25: It's a really good taste of that song there of

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Speaker 25: how the whole album is these really beautiful harmonies and

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Speaker 25: melodies that you feel like quite quickly you're already singing

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Speaker 25: along with it and feeling that you belong with the song,

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Speaker 25: which I think is a really beautiful indie folk skill

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Speaker 25: to have with songwriting, and you really fall into her

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Speaker 25: lyrics and you fall into her voice. This album has

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Speaker 25: no percussion, so it really yeah, it really is just

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Speaker 25: relying on the guitar and.

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Speaker 14: Then there's harmonies.

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Speaker 25: But there's also some songs that just have beautiful wind instruments,

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Speaker 25: like bringing in a basy tone with an obo and

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Speaker 25: sounds like that that you don't actually hear all that often,

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Speaker 25: but it just really beautifully goes with her voice.

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Speaker 9: She recorded this in.

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Speaker 25: Her home studio, surrounded by everything you do when you're

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Speaker 25: juggling creativity and far no life, and you actually get that.

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Speaker 25: At the start of Child of Mind. You hear her

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Speaker 25: chattering with her partner and her producer. There's like baby

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Speaker 25: gurgles in the background, and then the guitar strums and

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Speaker 25: she emerges into what it is that she's doing. So

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Speaker 25: it's very angelic and wistful at times, but not in

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Speaker 25: a like like you actually stay very tuned into it,

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Speaker 25: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 14: Like she doesn't lose you along the way.

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Speaker 25: I'm not always a big fan of interludes in an album,

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Speaker 25: but she has one halfway through end in brackets it

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Speaker 25: says interlude time passages and oh my gosh, the montage

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Speaker 25: of instruments and these really hypnotic rhythms. What a really

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Speaker 25: cool way to give us a music that does show

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Speaker 25: you how time progresses and moves on. I can't explain.

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Speaker 14: You have to go and listen to it.

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Speaker 25: It's right in the middle of the album, and yeah,

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Speaker 25: it's just it's a really really clever thing. I think

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Speaker 25: there's lots to love and this album is very intricate production.

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Speaker 14: And again, she never even pushes.

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Speaker 25: Anything, so there's nothing about her voice that you like,

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Speaker 25: you're waiting to go to these crescendos or anything like that.

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Speaker 25: It just kind of I don't think spew is the

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Speaker 25: right word, like spews out of you, like it just

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Speaker 25: it just comes out of her in this really beautiful, cruisy, authentic,

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Speaker 25: quite personal way. There's a song called Caroline, and it's

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Speaker 25: quite it's like being right there in the songwriting process

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Speaker 25: where actually some of the words are like and then

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Speaker 25: she says something like blah blah blah, like she's just

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Speaker 25: trying to fill the space, but she's just left it

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Speaker 25: as the song, which I guess is also what it's

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Speaker 25: like when you're trying to juggle family life and all

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Speaker 25: the rest of it. Sometimes things don't get finished. So

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Speaker 25: portraying that in a beautiful song. I think it's really clever.

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Speaker 8: I love this.

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Speaker 25: On her Instagram when the album came out, she said,

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Speaker 25: I hope, if nothing else, this album serves to represent

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Speaker 25: the possibility that the Pram in the hallway is not,

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Speaker 25: as it turns out, the enemy of art.

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Speaker 9: Quite profound.

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Speaker 25: But don't take that to heavily like The album is

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Speaker 25: still light and beautiful and pretty and very clever musically,

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Speaker 25: but also with her really beautiful lyrics about what life is.

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Speaker 25: She doesn't just sit with the whole just becoming a

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Speaker 25: new parent, but there's real beauty in what that means

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Speaker 25: and how that can change your life and what it

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Speaker 25: means to her as an artist.

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Speaker 14: I think it's really beautiful. It's a great listen, sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what do you give it.

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Speaker 14: I'm just going to go out there and give it

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Speaker 14: a ten out of Tendi WHOA.

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Speaker 25: I've really enjoyed this album, and the more I listen,

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Speaker 25: the more I really feel quite in tune with this album.

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Speaker 25: And I think a lot of people, yeah, there's there's

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Speaker 25: just a lot of beauty in it, and I think

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Speaker 25: there's yeah, people should listen to her.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I haven't listened to the album yet, but

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Speaker 3: this is one of the extremely rare occasions when I

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Speaker 3: feel like I was into this before. It was cool

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Speaker 3: because I was a Laura Marling fan from back when

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Speaker 3: she released I Speak because I can in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I've been on the Laura Marling train for a

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Speaker 3: long time. But she's a real like Muso's Muso really

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Speaker 3: looking forward to this.

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Speaker 14: She's clever and I'm going to give it to you.

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Speaker 25: I think you've known her for a lot longer than

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Speaker 25: I have, and I've had to delve back into some

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Speaker 25: of her back albums.

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Speaker 3: So go ye, there you go, there you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: look claim it when you can stop. Clock is right

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Speaker 3: twice a day, you know. Laura Marlin's new album is

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Speaker 3: Patterns and Repeat ten out of Tennisdale reckons it's word

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Speaker 3: thank you so much. As Stale. We will catch you

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Speaker 3: again very soon. We'll have a bit more of a

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Speaker 3: listen to Pattins and Repeat in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: It's eight to twelve on news doorgs.

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Speaker 2: He'db flve from the campaign trail in the US.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Mornings with Jack Team and be pured on

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Speaker 1: code on inst for high quality supplements, news dogs V.

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Speaker 3: It is just coming up to midday on Newstorgs he'd b.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for tuning in and spending your

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning with us. It has been a pretty remarkable

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Speaker 3: few days here in the US, and obviously things are

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Speaker 3: gonna get crazier heading up to election day on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to be with Kamala Harris on election nights.

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Speaker 3: She's going to be here in Washington, d C. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is going to be at Marra Lago in Florida.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a Q and a special on

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Speaker 3: TVNZ one tomorrow morning. Plus I'll be reporting for Newstalks

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Speaker 3: he'd b and one News throughout the week, and then

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Speaker 3: next Saturday morning something a bit different. Because of the

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01:55:04,973 --> 01:55:07,133
Speaker 3: All Backs Northern Tour and the very as time zones

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01:55:07,173 --> 01:55:09,053
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing, We're not going to be

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Speaker 3: with you next Saturday morning. That is because the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks are going to be taking on Ireland and exactly

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Speaker 3: the same time that we would usually be broadcasting, and

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Speaker 3: of course news Talk z'b is determined to make sure

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Speaker 3: you can enjoy the All Blacks with live coverage of

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Speaker 3: that game once it's underway, so we'll be back the

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Speaker 3: following Saturday morning. I'll give you a reminder before then.

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Speaker 3: For now, though, thank you so much for your messages

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Speaker 3: throughout the morning on New Stalks. Ed me to my

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Speaker 3: wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough stuff this morning.

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01:55:36,893 --> 01:55:38,653
Speaker 3: Jason Pine is going to take you through the afternoon

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01:55:38,813 --> 01:55:43,053
Speaker 3: counting down to the Auckland FC Wellington Phoenix Derby five

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Speaker 3: o'clock this evening. For now, though, we're going to leave

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Speaker 3: you with Laura Marling. This is her new song patterns,

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Speaker 3: Have a great Day, Hit.

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Speaker 1: The full.

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Speaker 19: And now the time is spad S's a flag?

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Speaker 9: Only then can I see.

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Speaker 8: A body?

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Speaker 19: Sage Wheel.

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Speaker 12: Was space.

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live

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