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Speaker 1: With us.

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Speaker 2: Now is Rod Little, UK correspondent, A Rod how are

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Speaker 2: you doing?

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Speaker 1: Not for that? How are you?

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Speaker 2: And very well? Thank you know what's the letters with

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Speaker 2: the Tory leadership right? How are we tracking?

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Speaker 1: Four left in it? And it's been the Tory conference

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Speaker 1: this week so they've had the chance to address the

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Speaker 1: faithful Conservative Party members and today it was Tom Tuganhat,

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Speaker 1: who is reckoned to be one of the outsiders I guess,

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Speaker 1: of the four remaining, and Kemy Badanock, who is one

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Speaker 1: of the favorites. The general thinking is that this will

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Speaker 1: come down to a final between Kemmy Badanock from the

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Speaker 1: right and Robert Jenrick or Robert Generrick as his enemies

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Speaker 1: call him, who is from the kind of center left.

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Speaker 1: But it's looking more and more now as if the

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Speaker 1: Conservative MPs will try to get rid of Batterannock before

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Speaker 1: it even gets to a final, because if he did

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Speaker 1: get to a final, Kerry Badenock would win on the

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Speaker 1: votes of the members of the party rather than just

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Speaker 1: the MPs. So these days people are reckoning you know,

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Speaker 1: probably Robert Jenrick, probably James Cleverly will be the two

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Speaker 1: in the final. We'll see how much damage do.

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Speaker 2: You think Benlocke's maternity leave comments have done to her.

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Speaker 1: It will have done a bit, no question about that,

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Speaker 1: because Bado have quite a constituency amongst amongst women Tory

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Speaker 1: activists and indeed some female Tory MPs, and that won't

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Speaker 1: have helped her one little bit. But in fairness to her,

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Speaker 1: it does put a It is bang on the sort

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Speaker 1: of thing she would say and would think. You know,

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Speaker 1: if bad A knock a hold of the Conservative Party,

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Speaker 1: you would kind of be looking at the Tories as

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Speaker 1: being one of those European hard to right parties, the

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Speaker 1: kind of party which is just well in Austria, which

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Speaker 1: is doing very well in Germany, which has the government

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Speaker 1: in Italy. You know, that's the kind of model that

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Speaker 1: bad enough he is looking at the rest of them

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Speaker 1: are far more like you know, European Christian Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. James cleverly has come out as the

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Speaker 2: favorite for the Tory leadership amongst the British public. Why

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Speaker 2: would that be?

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Speaker 1: I don't know his he seems to bear his name.

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Speaker 1: Seems to be a flagrant uh rewriting of the trade

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Speaker 1: descriptive descriptions actually is not not not not the sharpest

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Speaker 1: tool in the book is a box. He's not bad Cleverly.

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Speaker 1: He's quite personable, and he did quite well for a

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Speaker 1: while as a as a as a defense minister, and

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Speaker 1: was quite liked for that. But you know that there

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be anything new that Cleverly would bring

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Speaker 1: to the role in the way that a liberal such

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Speaker 1: as Tom took an outward or someone from the right

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Speaker 1: Kenny bad awkward. I think if it got to a

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Speaker 1: final between Cleverly and Robert Generrick, as everyone calls him,

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Speaker 1: then I think the odds are that James Clubley will

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Speaker 1: probably wind.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this this is this is the age old thing

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Speaker 2: that faces a political party like this. Do you appeal

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Speaker 2: to your voting base with somebody like Kimmy Bednocke, or

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Speaker 2: do you appeal to the wider public with somebody like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, nobody. That's exactly it. And of course the

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Speaker 1: Tories have this extraordinarily complex mechanism for choosing their leader,

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Speaker 1: which ensures that whoever they talk is the worst possible

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Speaker 1: one for the voters. It's always been like that. There Labarridge,

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Speaker 1: series of knockout steps, and then it comes down to

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Speaker 1: the activist deciding in the end. I mean, you're quite right.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's also the case that any party

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Speaker 1: which has been in power for a long period of

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Speaker 1: channel in this then really unceremoniously kicked out of power.

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Speaker 1: They tend to have two or three leaders before they're

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Speaker 1: anywhere near back to looking at gaining power seriously in

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Speaker 1: the country. That was the case for the Tourries in

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, and it was the case for the Labor

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Speaker 1: Party in seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, they're in a real picklelant they Rod. It's

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Speaker 2: good to talk to you, mate, Really appreciate look after yourself.

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Speaker 2: It's Rod Little, a UK correspondent.

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