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Speaker 1: Yeah, a pretty resounding victory for Donald Trump. Obviously the

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Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds that a president has made on consecutive

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Speaker 1: the moment, winning the popular vote, flipping the Senate, likely

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Speaker 1: to keep the House, and you've got the keys to

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Speaker 1: the White House. John Key is, Sir John Keys, the

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Speaker 1: former Prime Ministries with US is in San Francisco at

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Speaker 1: the moment, Sir John, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Ron, How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? What are you thinking about what happened last night?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think there's a few things. I mean, Firusly,

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Speaker 2: you've got to give Donald Trump some credit for what

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Speaker 2: has been a very comprehensive when they's supported about he's

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Speaker 2: really taking control of every every part of government really

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, I'm not as surprised. I mean, I know, from

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Speaker 2: But you know, once you've got polls indicating that, you know,

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Speaker 2: two thirds or if not more, of the country think

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Speaker 2: you're going in the wrong direction when the big issues

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Speaker 2: are the issues you're campaigning on this in this case

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Speaker 2: border and law and order. Then it changes very likely

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Speaker 2: it's a bit I think everyone's really struggled to understand.

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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump really said that last night when he

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Speaker 2: was talking, is that this is a movement. And I

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Speaker 2: We might not like it. There might be elements of

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Speaker 2: it that we just can't understand. But truthfully, there is

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Speaker 2: a movement happening around the world. And I think you've

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Speaker 2: I mean say, you can feel, you know, all sorts

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Speaker 1: It also turns, does it not, the identity politics on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I mean. I think the question is, well,

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Speaker 2: what brings all of those groupings together, What are making

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Speaker 2: those people say, you know, President Trump is my president,

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Speaker 2: How they totally together because they're very disparate groups.

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Speaker 3: But it's all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right, fiercely one. They are doing it

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Speaker 2: And I think there's something weirdly in Donald Trump's personality.

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Speaker 2: I was saying someone earlier, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 3: No one else in the world does that.

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Speaker 2: Right. I mean there's nothing, there's something in there about it.

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Speaker 1: And there's nothing sanitized about him like there often is

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think there's any doubt that Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: But I think won't all be the won't all be negative.

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Speaker 1: What does Luxeon need to do right now to try

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Speaker 1: a special exception?

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing it can help. I mean, as I said,

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Speaker 2: to a certain degree, you know, Donald Trump's been notorious

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Speaker 3: A lot of what they buy from us they need anyway.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not sure we're going to be hammered

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Speaker 3: I think the New Zealand would be.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Look, I think the government's just got to

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Speaker 2: the people of New Zealand and the government of New

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Speaker 2: whoever that person is, but it's their job to have

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Speaker 2: the best relationship they can and you know who knows.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how it all plays out.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much a for your time, Sir John.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you get back to your day in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: No worries mate, all of this.

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Speaker 1: Sir John Key, former Prime Minister.

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