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Speaker 2: Hellore you great, you said us. Welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Podcast number one one for the complete show

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Speaker 2: for Wednesday, the thirtieth of eight. Pril boy, Oh boy,

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Speaker 2: was it a good show today at a great time.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? We went deep into something that

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Speaker 2: If your cats sitting in the bath will tell you

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: The.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. So you welcome into the show on this

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Speaker 3: Wednesday afternoon. I hope you're doing swimmingly where if you're

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Speaker 3: listening in the country, get a mat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good afternoon, you great New Zealanders. Good afternoon, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: I'll get a fantastic show for you.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 2: You know sometimes you get a compliment, but it's actually

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Speaker 2: an insult.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So at the start of this week, I thought, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm going to start doing. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: start wearing a nice shirt every day. Not amazing shirt,

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Speaker 2: just a nice shirt.

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Speaker 3: It's a solid it's a solid smart sedule.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not coming in with a singlet on or just

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Speaker 2: a tea yea. And everyone's been I've had so many

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Speaker 2: compliments from people saying, oh my god, you look so smart,

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Speaker 2: you look absolute lovely. Jeez, you're handsome, you look absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 2: We had the boss who came running in.

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Speaker 3: The Big Boss, Stanley, the Big Boss.

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Speaker 2: Came running in to just say, how good I lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The first thing he said was Keeper's mate, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: put a shirt on, you're looking good.

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Speaker 2: So I'm choosing today that as an insult because that's

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Speaker 2: saying if I just dress as other people do, yeah, normally,

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Speaker 2: and the way that you normally dress. I get huge

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Speaker 2: amounts of compliments, which is suggesting to me that people

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Speaker 2: thought that I had dressed like absolute scum before that.

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Speaker 3: You had the bar pretty low, you know when you

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Speaker 3: first started. Yeah, you came in with Jandles shorts sometimes

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Speaker 3: as singlets. Yep, and now look at you like a

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Speaker 3: million bucks. So there you go. There's another compliment that's

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Speaker 3: not got a compliment.

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Speaker 2: I choose to take that as an insult.

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Speaker 3: Do you do your own ironing as well? Say that's

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Speaker 3: a very well ironed shirt.

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Speaker 2: I don't do an ironing.

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Speaker 3: There's no surprises there. Right on to today's show, after

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Speaker 3: three point thirty as part of our US the Expert

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Speaker 3: series that we do every Wednesday, We've got Mark veddie

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Speaker 3: Back here is an animal behavior expert. And if you've

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Speaker 3: got trouble with any of your pets that have got

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Speaker 3: in your household, and doesn't have to be cats or dogs,

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Speaker 3: can be any sort of animal. He is the man

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Speaker 3: to chat to. Always very popular.

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Speaker 2: It could be an iguana.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've got a got a lizard that's doing

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Speaker 3: some weird things.

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Speaker 2: As when you try and think of an animal. So

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Speaker 2: I could come up to the guard it could be.

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Speaker 3: A rabbit, guinea pig, a guinea PA's a lot of

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Speaker 3: guinea pig owners out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, that

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Speaker 3: Andrew will get you in the queue. After three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: You're done with flat pack furniture mat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking about this the other day. I

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Speaker 2: flat packs, but I'm done with it because I've just

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Speaker 2: it's all of the roller is already coming off. All

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Speaker 2: going to call it generational cabinet tree.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to a real cabinet maker who

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Speaker 2: lasts for years and years and I don't have to

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Speaker 6: Yeap.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing you can leave in your will too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want.

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Speaker 2: To know about who are they? Who are the generational

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Speaker 2: cabinet makers in New Zealand? And I want to start

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Speaker 2: an anti flat pack movement.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's going to be good.

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Speaker 2: It's you know. And if you are a flat pack maker,

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Speaker 2: then make it for me and deliver it on the

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Speaker 2: back of the truck.

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Speaker 3: That is half to three o'clock after two o'clock, ticking

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Speaker 3: up a holiday on the mortgage, credit cards, buy now,

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Speaker 3: pay later. A growing number of travelers across the globe

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Speaker 3: and in New Zealander using services like buying now, pay

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Speaker 3: later to travel. Is that a good idea or bad idea?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: A mate gave me a saying for this the other day.

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Speaker 2: Bank holidays. So you're going on a holiday, but you

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Speaker 2: haven't saved.

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Speaker 7: Up for it.

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Speaker 2: You're just hipping it on the mortgage or on the

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Speaker 2: credit card or on a pay later situation. Is that

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Speaker 2: the right thing to do?

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Speaker 6: Is that?

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Speaker 8: Really?

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Speaker 2: You know, making your future self pay for your holiday

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Speaker 2: right now? Is that the way to do it? And

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Speaker 2: we want to look at the other dimension on this,

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Speaker 2: and it's the triangle of health, time and money.

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Speaker 2: And when you're young, you have health, but you often

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Speaker 2: don't have time or money. When you're older, you might

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Speaker 2: have the time and the money, but you don't have

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Speaker 2: the health exactly. So it was it better just to

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Speaker 2: when you're in your thirties, forties, fifties and pay it

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Speaker 3: We're going to get into that after two o'clock because

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Speaker 3: right now, let's have a chat about congestion charging. So

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Speaker 3: the Government's Land Transport Management Bill, it's currently open for

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Speaker 3: So this bill would effectively enable local councils to work

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Speaker 3: with m ZTA two design congestion charging schemes. One Totong

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Speaker 3: councilor he's called it a cash grab, Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown.

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Speaker 3: He is right behind the idea of a congestion charge.

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Speaker 3: But is this really the best way to pay for infrastructure?

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe it is, But my problem with it, and

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this one hundred

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Speaker 2: out why I'm against congestion charge, why I'm so avidly

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Speaker 2: against them, Well, why they make me angry? And it

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Speaker 2: just struck me that every solution to every problem that

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Speaker 2: punish those who are driving to work. Every solution is

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Speaker 2: just taking more money from the productive people of our society.

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Speaker 2: So I just I think that's I'll put my finger

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Speaker 2: on why I'm against them. Yeah, because you've got to

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Speaker 2: come up with some solutions that don't involve just taking

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Speaker 2: And I know you'll go, Wow, who else is there

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Speaker 2: to take money from? But maybe just leave them alone? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe just leave it alone.

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Speaker 3: Just stop, yeah, stop with the cash grab. But no,

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Speaker 3: it's a fair point because those people who are driving

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Speaker 3: and peak our times, which is when this congestion charging

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Speaker 3: comes in. It doesn't happen at any other times of

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Speaker 3: and coming home from work. And what are those workers doing.

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Speaker 3: They are earning money, and they are earning tech money

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Speaker 3: going to government coffers.

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Speaker 2: So you're quite right.

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Speaker 3: It is targeting the very people we rely on to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we need more people going into towns to

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Speaker 2: spend money because you might say people will find other

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Speaker 2: Cafes and restaurants and bars and lunch places will disappear

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Speaker 2: these congestion charges are just I think it's like an

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Speaker 2: easy solution. We need money to do this, we believe,

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Speaker 2: we believe that people are wasting too much time and cars,

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Speaker 2: But is it. I think it's more complicated than that.

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Speaker 3: Any council that brings in something like a congestion charge,

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Speaker 3: they're going to get an absolute kicking out. They most

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Speaker 3: of them, I think, are going to push this to

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Speaker 3: that puts in their submission saying yep, this is a

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Speaker 2: And I call bollocks on Auckland. Transport congestion is projected

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Speaker 2: to cost the local economy two point six billion anally

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Speaker 2: from annually from twenty twenty six, including one point nine

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Speaker 2: economic losses. That's the mean the Deneathan, the Auckland example.

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Speaker 2: I call bollocks on that because working out how people

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Speaker 2: your car or you may have any have a certain

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Speaker 2: amount of productivity in the day, and that hour you

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Speaker 2: sitting in the car just listening to the radio or

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Speaker 2: what are you doing. Yeah, then maybe that's a chill

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Speaker 2: period that comes you down and you're more productive when

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Speaker 2: you get to work. I think I think they're very

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Speaker 2: blunt analysis of what productivity is exactly.

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Speaker 3: And then we talk about the modeling, So the quote here.

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Speaker 3: Modeling shows that successful time of use charging. Charging motorists

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Speaker 3: to travel on certain roads at peak times will encourage

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Speaker 3: people to change the time or mode of travel and

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Speaker 3: could reduce congestion by up to eight to twelve percent

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Speaker 3: at peak times. Yeah, I'm sure it does. But what

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Speaker 3: working from home. They're not going to be spending money

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Speaker 3: at the local coffee shop and the CBD that side.

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Speaker 3: And we've done that, We've done the work from home

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Speaker 2: Ah, You're just sick of being punched in the face

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Speaker 3: And it's good a bus one the big stories, the

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Speaker 3: I'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm agree with you John totally. It's just another

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Speaker 3: But is that just because our public transport is rubbish,

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Speaker 2: So all of these little lesson that's all a conspiracy

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, which was incredibly expensive in the first place.

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Speaker 3: So people, would you be just on that, would you

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Speaker 11: and you please partly realize it's.

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Speaker 12: Not your fault.

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Speaker 3: It's not there's no way to run a business and

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: The operating allowance for the budget next month, which was

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Speaker 13: you have done the same? And two is it foolish

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Speaker 9: No, it's not foolish, and I probably would have done

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Speaker 13: Do you believe the twenty nine surplus thing or not.

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Speaker 9: I think you've got to have that at the target,

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Speaker 3: B News talk ed B. Very good afternoon to you,

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Speaker 3: and we're talking about traffic congestion charges. It is open

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Speaker 2: Lionel says, Matt and what's his name, doesn't matter what

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Speaker 2: We want is it Taylor's It's.

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Speaker 3: Mike oskme Lionel, Okay.

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Speaker 2: What we want productivity and slam people at every turn

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Speaker 2: for trying to reproduce it. Remember, governments and councils produce nothing.

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Speaker 2: Sack transport management, get rid of cones and cycleways, open

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Speaker 2: up the roads. There you go. This Texas says you're

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Speaker 2: dead right, council of filthy scum. Well I didn't say that,

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Speaker 2: and it's stupid palms. I didn't say that either. They

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Speaker 2: the two point five billion dollars to build and monitor

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Speaker 3: Where did the English come into this one?

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Speaker 3: It was Pom's but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go. Good team trying to unpack

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Speaker 2: that one. Guys. In my view of congestion charge is

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Speaker 2: It's funny though, because councils come and go and they

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Speaker 2: of their solutions is these congestion charges. Linda, welcome to

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Speaker 5: Guys, how are you going? I live in west.

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Speaker 3: Auckland, good place, and a lot of.

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Speaker 14: Not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: You're good luck with that.

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Speaker 5: way you've all taken. What time your appointment is? Why

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Speaker 2: And how do you think a congestion charge would affect that?

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Speaker 5: how much that is recently a lot, and you'd stick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is crazy. So what kind of I'm

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Speaker 2: not across the sorry Linda, but what kind of services

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Speaker 5: It's it's a lot of them. If you've got like

441
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Speaker 5: a heart problem, you have to go to the North

442
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Speaker 5: Shore at least once for various tests surgery because all

443
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Speaker 5: of that's over on the shore. So pacemakers stense Ladi

444
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Speaker 5: blah blah, Yeah, gosh, I know that's what we used

445
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Speaker 5: to go over there for all the time. A lot

446
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Speaker 5: of cancer services as well.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds harsh. Yeah, I mean so then you'd

448
00:19:32,493 --> 00:19:34,933
Speaker 2: have to in the congestion charge, which would be limited time,

449
00:19:35,013 --> 00:19:37,893
Speaker 2: so to be around these peak times, you know, before

450
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Speaker 2: you know, in whatever hours, I don't know, seven to

451
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Speaker 2: nine am probably and then four thirty to six whatever

452
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Speaker 2: times that they decide to peak, and we'll probably slowly

453
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Speaker 2: creep it wider and wider once they get in there.

454
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Speaker 3: Like they weekends, the weekends are just as busy as

455
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Speaker 3: peak the peak house.

456
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Speaker 2: And so someone that's needing to go over to go

457
00:19:55,973 --> 00:19:58,813
Speaker 2: to a hospital is going to be like either they

458
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Speaker 2: book and you know they need to take any appointment

459
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Speaker 2: they can get. But then that would be narrowed down

460
00:20:03,293 --> 00:20:05,333
Speaker 2: to bits that weren't going to affect peak time because

461
00:20:05,373 --> 00:20:08,493
Speaker 2: then they'd have to pay the congestion charge. Too many,

462
00:20:08,693 --> 00:20:13,493
Speaker 2: too many, too many people getting unduly attacked by this.

463
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Speaker 3: If you ask me, well, then we talk about exemptions,

464
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Speaker 3: and this is when it gets really what I was

465
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Speaker 3: looking for.

466
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Speaker 2: Ye So I was saying unduly attacked. Too many exemptions

467
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Speaker 2: would be required to make it practical. In my opinion, exactly.

468
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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

469
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Speaker 3: to call. Love your thoughts on congestion charging, good idea

470
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Speaker 3: or stupid idea? It is bang on half past one.

471
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Speaker 2: I've got a question before you are nine to nine two.

472
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Speaker 2: Are you ready for it?

473
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Speaker 9: Yep?

474
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Speaker 2: What number most congested city in the world is Auckland.

475
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Speaker 2: What number where does it sit in terms of the

476
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Speaker 2: most congested cities in the world.

477
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Speaker 3: I'm going to say ninth.

478
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Speaker 2: See this is the problem. That answer is the problem,

479
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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why next.

480
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Speaker 1: HS talk said the headlines.

481
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Speaker 4: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

482
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Speaker 4: The opposition leader wants more action on poverty as some

483
00:21:07,973 --> 00:21:11,853
Speaker 4: kids without support. As at March thirty one, more than

484
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Speaker 4: thirteen hundred children needing an autog Tamariki social worker hadn't

485
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Speaker 4: been assigned. One Northland's Mangamooka gorge is closed again after

486
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Speaker 4: a second in three days. A second slip that should

487
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Speaker 4: be heavy rain warnings cover Cai Cooder may have plenty

488
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Speaker 4: in Gisbon and strong wind warnings for wided, Upper Wellington

489
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Speaker 4: and Marlborough. The Crown is citing difficulties collecting evidence for

490
00:21:35,813 --> 00:21:39,573
Speaker 4: dropping a re trial of Stephen Ralph Stone, whose twenty

491
00:21:39,573 --> 00:21:42,853
Speaker 4: five year murder conviction was quashed last year. He and

492
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Speaker 4: three others were acquitted last year over dean pull of

493
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Speaker 4: Sand's disappearance in nineteen eighty nine. Nearly thirteen thousand Canterbury

494
00:21:50,573 --> 00:21:54,213
Speaker 4: homes and are being powered by ninety thousand solar panels

495
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Speaker 4: at the country's largest solar farm in Lowstown. Audrey Young's

496
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Speaker 4: minister rankings the stars, the second rate and those on notice.

497
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Speaker 4: See the rankings at ensid Herald Premium Back, Martin matt

498
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Speaker 4: Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking

500
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Speaker 3: about this idea of congestion charges. There is a bill

501
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Speaker 3: before the Slik Committee as we speak. It is open

502
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Speaker 3: for public submissions. This bill would enable councils in NZTA

503
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Speaker 3: to work together to create what are effectively congestion charges.

504
00:22:25,973 --> 00:22:29,053
Speaker 3: They call it time of use charging, which will mean

505
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Speaker 3: if you're traveling in peak hours, you're going to get.

506
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Speaker 2: Stuck, okay before the break. I assh does Auckland rank

507
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Speaker 2: in terms of congestion in the world. Auckland ranks as

508
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Speaker 2: the seventy seventh most congested city globally, oh and the

509
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Speaker 2: most congested in New Zealand or Australia out of five

510
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Speaker 2: hundred cities. We're way down the two countries, a long

511
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Speaker 2: way down the list. Also, I mean a lot of

512
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Speaker 2: our congestion problems as our geography. We have a very

513
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Speaker 2: strange geography. We're on a very strange isthmus.

514
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Speaker 3: Skinny, skinny, weet, skinny lot of people.

515
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Speaker 2: Skinny, little situation with a few arteries coming in and

516
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Speaker 2: not really practical for setting up the kind of mass

517
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Speaker 2: public transport that would get people out of cars. Part

518
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Speaker 2: of me thinks that, and people will say this is

519
00:23:12,253 --> 00:23:15,173
Speaker 2: naive or stupid or whatever, and I love it. I

520
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Speaker 2: love it when you say that in nine two nine

521
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Speaker 2: two hit me hard. But I've just been watching a

522
00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:22,933
Speaker 2: lot on the latest advancements and autonomous vehicles, and I

523
00:23:22,933 --> 00:23:24,733
Speaker 2: think a lot of these decisions we make, and looking

524
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Speaker 2: back at the city rail link might be one of

525
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Speaker 2: those situations as well, where things are changing so fast. Technologically,

526
00:23:31,053 --> 00:23:34,052
Speaker 2: We've got AI that's evening out all of these problems

527
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Speaker 2: that we have and computing it a far increase rate

528
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Speaker 2: than we've ever had. I think we're not long from

529
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Speaker 2: a situation where cars will be autonomous, so far from

530
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Speaker 2: losing production. In productivity when you go to work. It's

531
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Speaker 2: much like when I worked in out of town in

532
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Speaker 2: the UK and I'd get work done on the train

533
00:23:53,693 --> 00:23:55,613
Speaker 2: on the way to work because you had Wi Fi

534
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Speaker 2: in there and you just jump onto it your table.

535
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Speaker 2: I think things are going to change really, really drastically

536
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Speaker 2: in the next five to ten years.

537
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Speaker 3: Well, we're already see it happening in some parts of

538
00:24:03,853 --> 00:24:06,853
Speaker 3: the world, right. And then if you've got autonomous vehicles

539
00:24:06,973 --> 00:24:09,893
Speaker 3: that are perfect in the world that they drive, that lessens

540
00:24:09,933 --> 00:24:11,893
Speaker 3: congestion substantially. Absolutely.

541
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Speaker 2: The modeling done, oh, you see the modeling where every

542
00:24:14,333 --> 00:24:18,733
Speaker 2: car goes through intersection and they just merge through each other,

543
00:24:18,773 --> 00:24:21,293
Speaker 2: so no one ever has to stop that stuff. That

544
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Speaker 2: modeling is very, very very cool, But that's the future.

545
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Speaker 6: I visit.

546
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Speaker 2: You're sitting in your car, You'll get rid of the cockpit.

547
00:24:27,973 --> 00:24:29,532
Speaker 2: You'll be sitting on a table in the back of

548
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Speaker 2: your car. You'll be driving in getting your work done

549
00:24:31,933 --> 00:24:34,533
Speaker 2: before you get there. Quicken it before work. Yeah, yeah,

550
00:24:34,533 --> 00:24:36,333
Speaker 2: maybe sleep in the car as it goes in, you know,

551
00:24:36,413 --> 00:24:38,013
Speaker 2: get out of bed early, sleep in the car the

552
00:24:38,093 --> 00:24:40,293
Speaker 2: night before, do some work on the way to work,

553
00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:42,893
Speaker 2: get out, go to work, go to the pub and

554
00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:44,613
Speaker 2: then have a few drinks in the car on the

555
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Speaker 2: way home.

556
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Speaker 15: Yeah.

557
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Speaker 3: Bring it on, it's out of there are utopia, Hey guys,

558
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Speaker 3: Based on the Totonga Guide, I think I was going

559
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Speaker 3: to be paying about twenty dollars a day if I

560
00:24:51,973 --> 00:24:54,453
Speaker 3: got my timing's wrong or need to go to a

561
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Speaker 3: supply before I get to work.

562
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Speaker 2: One hundred dollars a week.

563
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Speaker 3: That's from later times a week is crazy.

564
00:25:00,013 --> 00:25:03,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, need to scale back this traffic management, save money.

565
00:25:03,293 --> 00:25:06,813
Speaker 2: They are wasting it. They been twice as many, They

566
00:25:06,813 --> 00:25:09,773
Speaker 2: send twice as many people as they needed, and they

567
00:25:09,813 --> 00:25:12,413
Speaker 2: sit there and sleep until somebody finishes doing what their

568
00:25:12,493 --> 00:25:16,173
Speaker 2: job is, get paid all day, but put out too

569
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Speaker 2: many cones. You know that that what that where? You

570
00:25:18,853 --> 00:25:20,773
Speaker 2: know what they mean by that text. It's going off

571
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Speaker 2: the rails there. We get your point, get your point there.

572
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Speaker 2: If they were more if they were more practical with

573
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Speaker 2: the situation that they've currently got, maybe they wouldn't have

574
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Speaker 2: to punish US citizens.

575
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Speaker 3: By with the congestion at the workers sitting on the space. Michelle,

576
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Speaker 3: your thoughts and you're coming in from Totonga.

577
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I live just north of Chada, in a place

578
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Speaker 16: called Bohoya, which is about fifteen k's north. Now, we've

579
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Speaker 16: had to put up with the worst road congestion for

580
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Speaker 16: years since Omkara Peninsula has been developed. Yep, m z Ta,

581
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Speaker 16: I'm sorry to say for this corridor from here to

582
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Speaker 16: why he should be sacked. They have made our road

583
00:26:03,973 --> 00:26:07,413
Speaker 16: so much more dangerous. It's not even funny. They don't

584
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Speaker 16: consult with constituents. They seem to just think they're a

585
00:26:10,493 --> 00:26:13,693
Speaker 16: power into themselves. And the worst parts in what I

586
00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:16,493
Speaker 16: can assertain is the NPS can't do to the least

587
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Speaker 16: squat once they've made these decisions.

588
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Speaker 17: M and so just congestion.

589
00:26:21,613 --> 00:26:22,453
Speaker 3: Sorry, carry on.

590
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Speaker 16: Yet the congestion charge to me is bad management of

591
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Speaker 16: the NZTA agency and they need to be accountable.

592
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it seems like. It seems like an

593
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Speaker 2: admission of failure. If you are having to charge people

594
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Speaker 2: to use roads that have already been built, then you've

595
00:26:41,853 --> 00:26:43,973
Speaker 2: made a mistake in the past, and then so you're

596
00:26:43,973 --> 00:26:48,373
Speaker 2: punishing people for the mistake to correct your mistake by

597
00:26:48,453 --> 00:26:50,973
Speaker 2: charging them, so then you will spend that money on

598
00:26:51,093 --> 00:26:53,293
Speaker 2: fixing their mistake. That's that's why it looks to me.

599
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also Michelle, there's a little bit of

600
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Speaker 3: you know, the fact that local council has this ability

601
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Speaker 3: to pay for their own infrastructure outside of the state highways.

602
00:27:02,973 --> 00:27:07,373
Speaker 3: Then nz NCTA comes into the equation and local council

603
00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:10,213
Speaker 3: has to fund public trends. It's all just messy. I

604
00:27:10,213 --> 00:27:13,013
Speaker 3: mean that should all all infrastructure when it comes to

605
00:27:13,093 --> 00:27:16,133
Speaker 3: roading and transport, that should be done by one organization,

606
00:27:16,453 --> 00:27:18,773
Speaker 3: not multiple organizations that are thinking differently.

607
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I agree. I mean the right Road No Right

608
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Speaker 16: Turn Debarkle where we had a select Rochelle.

609
00:27:29,133 --> 00:27:31,973
Speaker 12: Who's been doing a great job and trying.

610
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Speaker 16: To get the decision reversed where they had a select committee.

611
00:27:35,253 --> 00:27:39,253
Speaker 16: She'd an NZTA representative who advised us she was in

612
00:27:39,373 --> 00:27:42,333
Speaker 16: charge of all the state highways and couldn't answer one

613
00:27:42,413 --> 00:27:46,573
Speaker 16: question although she'd had a submission for six weeks to review.

614
00:27:48,093 --> 00:27:50,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is for you, full a lot of confidence. Well,

615
00:27:50,613 --> 00:27:53,533
Speaker 2: sorry about your experience there, Michelle. Sounds like a massive

616
00:27:53,613 --> 00:27:56,693
Speaker 2: punish Matt and whatever the other guy's name is and

617
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Speaker 2: other texasp Mike, you're getting better on when we're going

618
00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:03,173
Speaker 2: to when are we going to hear some of these

619
00:28:03,293 --> 00:28:07,173
Speaker 2: leaders say, we the government Council, we the government slash

620
00:28:07,213 --> 00:28:10,093
Speaker 2: council have screwed up for years. We're scrapping the highest salaries,

621
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Speaker 2: commission taking an arbitrary twenty five percent pay up across

622
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Speaker 2: the board. I think there'd be a while before before

623
00:28:17,173 --> 00:28:21,453
Speaker 2: you hear that. Yeah, pulled your thoughts on congestion charges.

624
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Speaker 18: Yeah, be about three or four weeks.

625
00:28:25,733 --> 00:28:28,173
Speaker 19: Anything else drop of my plate.

626
00:28:29,493 --> 00:28:32,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was quite today, mate, We were

627
00:28:32,053 --> 00:28:33,413
Speaker 3: quite fascinated with that conversation.

628
00:28:33,453 --> 00:28:34,773
Speaker 2: But what were you doing there? Pool? Was it a

629
00:28:34,853 --> 00:28:37,173
Speaker 2: drive through? You're ordering some chicken? What was going on there?

630
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Speaker 18: No, we were we were going to the cargo with

631
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Speaker 18: the prince to get a prescription. And we pulled up

632
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Speaker 18: at the at the parking meter to get a you know,

633
00:28:50,773 --> 00:28:53,653
Speaker 18: you only been about five minutes to get a air prescription.

634
00:28:54,093 --> 00:28:56,973
Speaker 18: And this group meater made chila and then cargo couple

635
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Speaker 18: off took a number plate. Oh and then she blimbered,

636
00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:02,653
Speaker 18: Sea Rod, I'll give you ten minutes if you're not out.

637
00:29:02,693 --> 00:29:04,013
Speaker 18: It's a seventy dollars fight.

638
00:29:04,173 --> 00:29:07,333
Speaker 3: Wow, drama. Wow, that was far more than I was expecting.

639
00:29:08,693 --> 00:29:08,893
Speaker 5: Oh.

640
00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:11,253
Speaker 18: Then she said, you've got to tip your number in

641
00:29:11,373 --> 00:29:13,853
Speaker 18: these stupid new machines they got down the end. I'm

642
00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,373
Speaker 18: wonder people don't shop and see the city. You know,

643
00:29:17,653 --> 00:29:20,053
Speaker 18: it's just too expensive. Did you get time?

644
00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:21,373
Speaker 3: Yeah?

645
00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:25,933
Speaker 2: Well, and so you're in the for cargo Paul and window.

646
00:29:25,853 --> 00:29:27,013
Speaker 3: Oh wondo, good place.

647
00:29:27,093 --> 00:29:32,053
Speaker 2: So congestion charges. Congestion charges wouldn't be high on your

648
00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:33,093
Speaker 2: radar of concerns.

649
00:29:34,213 --> 00:29:37,453
Speaker 18: No, not down here. But I traveled Auckland frequently, so

650
00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:39,573
Speaker 18: I sort of know what you're talking about it.

651
00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:41,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what are your what are your thoughts?

652
00:29:43,293 --> 00:29:46,573
Speaker 18: Oh, it's shocking, you know, I'd hate to be in

653
00:29:46,693 --> 00:29:50,653
Speaker 18: business nowadays. You know, it's just it's not fear, it's

654
00:29:50,693 --> 00:29:54,093
Speaker 18: getting worse too, because if I eventhing online, that's my theory.

655
00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:55,373
Speaker 11: Yeah, they want to get.

656
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:57,613
Speaker 18: Rid of the shops and put everything on the internet.

657
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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Paul. That's another angle to it. So if

658
00:30:01,493 --> 00:30:03,853
Speaker 2: you're stopping people coming into the you know, you're punishing

659
00:30:03,893 --> 00:30:06,773
Speaker 2: people for driving into town to go to work, which

660
00:30:06,813 --> 00:30:09,893
Speaker 2: is basically what you're doing, and making people go in

661
00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:11,613
Speaker 2: at different times whatever. But when if they're trying to

662
00:30:11,613 --> 00:30:14,613
Speaker 2: avoid the congestion charge, if they can, then that just

663
00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:18,613
Speaker 2: stops people shopping in town, picking things up, and it

664
00:30:18,853 --> 00:30:22,933
Speaker 2: just more and more business, retail business goes online, which

665
00:30:22,973 --> 00:30:25,893
Speaker 2: is currently a big problem for New Zealand. How quickly

666
00:30:25,933 --> 00:30:29,693
Speaker 2: things are shifting away from buying things off New Zealand

667
00:30:29,693 --> 00:30:32,613
Speaker 2: businesses and buying them from overseas businesses and just importing

668
00:30:32,693 --> 00:30:35,613
Speaker 2: them straight from the TMU and the like. So it

669
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Speaker 2: just all adds up to punishing businesses that employ people,

670
00:30:40,893 --> 00:30:45,213
Speaker 2: and punishing businesses that build things, and punishing and preventing

671
00:30:45,213 --> 00:30:49,373
Speaker 2: communities from growing in CBDs and and all these things

672
00:30:49,373 --> 00:30:53,013
Speaker 2: that we believe are good and all the reasons why

673
00:30:53,093 --> 00:30:55,773
Speaker 2: cities actually exist in the first place. I just get

674
00:30:55,853 --> 00:30:58,533
Speaker 2: punished by things like congestion charges and people say, oh,

675
00:30:58,733 --> 00:31:01,693
Speaker 2: it'll be more efficient to get freight around and such,

676
00:31:01,733 --> 00:31:03,133
Speaker 2: we all the freight that it will be more efficient

677
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:05,853
Speaker 2: to get around? Will people getting t MoU products delivered

678
00:31:05,853 --> 00:31:07,013
Speaker 2: to their house in the suburbs?

679
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:11,253
Speaker 3: Exactly? I mean interesting test case and Nelson where Nelson

680
00:31:11,373 --> 00:31:15,493
Speaker 3: CBD has struggled considerably. Where Richmond, which is about ten

681
00:31:15,533 --> 00:31:18,613
Speaker 3: minutes fifteen minutes outside of Nelson, but Richmond offered free

682
00:31:18,653 --> 00:31:22,213
Speaker 3: parking and Nelson refused to offer the free parking. And

683
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:25,013
Speaker 3: what do you think happened? Richmond now is the shopping

684
00:31:25,053 --> 00:31:25,973
Speaker 3: mecher for most people.

685
00:31:26,053 --> 00:31:30,293
Speaker 2: Nelson sucked the Nelson there. Hey, Paul, I think do

686
00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:32,093
Speaker 2: we need to let you go see before you get

687
00:31:32,093 --> 00:31:33,733
Speaker 2: the ticket? Because how long did you give you?

688
00:31:34,853 --> 00:31:34,893
Speaker 9: No?

689
00:31:35,053 --> 00:31:38,053
Speaker 18: I but would she give me two bitues?

690
00:31:38,053 --> 00:31:42,053
Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, you're pushing seven minutes with us now, Paul,

691
00:31:42,173 --> 00:31:42,853
Speaker 3: So yeah.

692
00:31:42,653 --> 00:31:46,213
Speaker 2: We've better let you go. Yeah, right, mate, We don't

693
00:31:46,213 --> 00:31:48,453
Speaker 2: want you to get a ticket on our on our account.

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Speaker 3: You're a good man. Paul. Oh eight one hundred and

695
00:31:50,293 --> 00:31:52,853
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about congestion charging?

696
00:31:52,933 --> 00:31:56,613
Speaker 3: Silly idea or does it have merit? It is sixteen

697
00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:57,253
Speaker 3: too two?

698
00:31:57,693 --> 00:32:00,493
Speaker 2: Someone says Matt and Franciscas just stop winging and moved

699
00:32:00,533 --> 00:32:03,053
Speaker 2: to a smaller town. Is it Francisca?

700
00:32:03,093 --> 00:32:03,373
Speaker 1: What is it?

701
00:32:04,013 --> 00:32:04,213
Speaker 6: Is it?

702
00:32:04,293 --> 00:32:04,693
Speaker 2: Taylor?

703
00:32:05,373 --> 00:32:05,973
Speaker 3: What is it?

704
00:32:06,053 --> 00:32:06,893
Speaker 2: Tyler? I don't know.

705
00:32:06,973 --> 00:32:11,653
Speaker 1: Jeremy Wells a fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath

706
00:32:11,693 --> 00:32:15,253
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred

707
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty News TALKSB.

708
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Speaker 3: News TALKSB. We've been talking about congestion charging. Good idea

709
00:32:21,653 --> 00:32:22,893
Speaker 3: or bad idea?

710
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Speaker 2: Hey, Tyler and whoever that punisher is that you work with? Yes,

711
00:32:26,973 --> 00:32:29,813
Speaker 2: I missed what number Auckland was on the congestion scale. Well,

712
00:32:29,813 --> 00:32:33,253
Speaker 2: I don't know who Tyler is, but we are in Auckland,

713
00:32:33,533 --> 00:32:37,373
Speaker 2: seventy seventh most congested city in the world, based on

714
00:32:37,413 --> 00:32:39,733
Speaker 2: probably some kind of dodgy metric. I mean that, That's

715
00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:42,213
Speaker 2: my whole point with all these things like what about

716
00:32:42,213 --> 00:32:47,453
Speaker 2: this in this In Wayne Brown's you know, lust for

717
00:32:47,653 --> 00:32:51,453
Speaker 2: a congestion charge in Auckland, the average Auklander had expected

718
00:32:51,453 --> 00:32:53,893
Speaker 2: to lose more than seventeen hours per year to traffic

719
00:32:54,213 --> 00:32:57,813
Speaker 2: totally in twenty nine million hours city wide, it's not

720
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Speaker 2: much seventeen hours to traffic.

721
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Speaker 3: And again, I mean there is an argument there that

722
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Speaker 3: that's all.

723
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Speaker 2: We must have got that one wrong. Yeah, and I'm

724
00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:06,213
Speaker 2: sure people are losing more than seventeen hours. It means

725
00:33:06,293 --> 00:33:09,173
Speaker 2: what you define as losing time and traffic. So that's

726
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Speaker 2: how much faster it would be under a conducing charge

727
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:12,853
Speaker 2: of it, guess.

728
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Speaker 3: But you could argue that that is part and parcel

729
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Speaker 3: of being in a sizable city. In Auckland is a

730
00:33:16,813 --> 00:33:19,493
Speaker 3: sizable city. You know, in terms of the population that

731
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Speaker 3: you should expect to have some sort of congestion some

732
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Speaker 3: time and traffic to get from A to B. That

733
00:33:26,173 --> 00:33:29,133
Speaker 3: is just part and parcel across the world. No city

734
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Speaker 3: has figured it out.

735
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I call into question that time in your

736
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Speaker 2: car is not productive. I call bollocks. People can be

737
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Speaker 2: productive in.

738
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Speaker 3: Cars, definitely.

739
00:33:35,693 --> 00:33:37,973
Speaker 2: They can make calls, Yep, they can think about the

740
00:33:38,053 --> 00:33:40,493
Speaker 2: day ahead. I'm always thinking about the day ahead when

741
00:33:40,493 --> 00:33:43,053
Speaker 2: I'm driving into work. That's when I put everything into place.

742
00:33:43,093 --> 00:33:44,133
Speaker 3: That's your thinking time.

743
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Speaker 2: A little bit about that. I was thinking a little

744
00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:49,413
Speaker 2: bit about that, a lot about sport. The analysis. I

745
00:33:49,493 --> 00:33:51,893
Speaker 2: think it's a shallow look at how people live their lives,

746
00:33:51,933 --> 00:33:53,853
Speaker 2: and you can come up with these strategies saying this

747
00:33:54,093 --> 00:33:57,413
Speaker 2: is productivity. But there's also in my own belief that

748
00:33:57,453 --> 00:33:58,973
Speaker 2: there's only so many hours in a day that a

749
00:33:58,973 --> 00:34:02,853
Speaker 2: lot of people are productive. Say you're working in an office,

750
00:34:03,093 --> 00:34:05,533
Speaker 2: there's only so many hours that you're actually productive. And

751
00:34:05,573 --> 00:34:07,093
Speaker 2: if you're in the car, maybe you're doing some of

752
00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:09,252
Speaker 2: the thinking, maybe you're not. We only get four hours.

753
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:13,533
Speaker 2: I think that that that straight raw numbers as rubbish,

754
00:34:13,773 --> 00:34:17,093
Speaker 2: and what you actually do is the really productive people

755
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Speaker 2: that you can define how productive they are. Tradings and such. Yeah,

756
00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:23,413
Speaker 2: are going to be screwed by this because they have

757
00:34:23,413 --> 00:34:25,253
Speaker 2: to pay to do it. You know, they have to

758
00:34:25,293 --> 00:34:27,693
Speaker 2: pay to go in and then saying we'll get you

759
00:34:27,813 --> 00:34:28,893
Speaker 2: quicker rubbish.

760
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Speaker 3: It's going to cost us all. If trade is a pain,

761
00:34:30,573 --> 00:34:32,773
Speaker 3: then we've got to pay those trading condition charges at

762
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Speaker 3: the end.

763
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Speaker 2: But Chris, I think you disagree with us, I do good.

764
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Speaker 3: Hit us with it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, bring it on, bring on the condition charge.

766
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I live.

768
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Speaker 19: I live north of Auckland then Rodney, so you know

769
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Speaker 19: our rate. We pay an exorbit amount of rates and

770
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Speaker 19: I get a recycling bent and a bit of gravel

771
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Speaker 19: truck on my road a couple of times a year

772
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Speaker 19: and that's it. So if it means getting our roads

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Speaker 19: tidied up a bit better, or maybe even getting them sealed.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say Chris, that that's more of a

776
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Speaker 2: split Rodney from Auckland situation. I don't think Rodney should

777
00:35:07,053 --> 00:35:08,732
Speaker 2: have ever been part of the super city thing. That's

778
00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:09,573
Speaker 2: your problem right there.

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00:35:11,853 --> 00:35:13,213
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's that's a whole lot.

780
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a bit of a could have should

781
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Speaker 2: such such a situation. But I absolutely agree with you

782
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Speaker 2: the needs of Rodney are very, very different from the

783
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Speaker 2: needs of the inner suburbs of Auckland City.

784
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Speaker 19: Yeah yeah, pretty muche Well what.

785
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Speaker 3: About what about toll roads over congestion charge? And as

786
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Speaker 3: I said before, Chris, the thing I don't like about

787
00:35:35,453 --> 00:35:37,933
Speaker 3: congestion charge, it just focused on one particular or to

788
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Speaker 3: times of the day.

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00:35:39,213 --> 00:35:42,053
Speaker 2: Well, Chris will be hitting some some tolls coming into Auckland,

790
00:35:42,093 --> 00:35:42,933
Speaker 2: won't you, Chris.

791
00:35:43,733 --> 00:35:45,933
Speaker 19: Yeah, we've got the one. I think they're talking about

792
00:35:45,933 --> 00:35:48,693
Speaker 19: bringing another one in when they build a motorway extension.

793
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Speaker 19: So you know, I mean, toll roads are good because

794
00:35:51,813 --> 00:35:55,373
Speaker 19: they stay fuel and they do save time as well,

795
00:35:56,293 --> 00:35:59,213
Speaker 19: and they're there all the time, so you know, you're

796
00:35:59,213 --> 00:36:01,853
Speaker 19: stuck with it, and it brings in your infrastructure, which

797
00:36:01,933 --> 00:36:06,333
Speaker 19: is great. Yeah, the congestion charge is again a targeted

798
00:36:07,493 --> 00:36:12,613
Speaker 19: charge and you can avoid it well at different times.

799
00:36:12,933 --> 00:36:15,293
Speaker 2: Well, some people can avoid it, some some people can't.

800
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:18,493
Speaker 2: And arguably if people do avoid it and things get

801
00:36:18,493 --> 00:36:21,973
Speaker 2: missed up and move around, then it's the little businesses

802
00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:23,933
Speaker 2: in town that pay the price. But hey, thank you

803
00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:27,733
Speaker 2: so much for your call, Chris, and yeah, split Rodney

804
00:36:27,733 --> 00:36:30,573
Speaker 2: from the super city. Split Rodney from the super city.

805
00:36:30,693 --> 00:36:32,573
Speaker 3: Yea back of the It is nine to two.

806
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Speaker 1: Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eighty. It's

807
00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:42,293
Speaker 1: mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks be.

808
00:36:45,093 --> 00:36:48,453
Speaker 3: So joining us now is Nick legged Infrastructure Ends' CEO neck.

809
00:36:48,533 --> 00:36:51,093
Speaker 3: We've only got a short time, but you're in favor.

810
00:36:52,253 --> 00:36:55,813
Speaker 2: Give us, give us the quick seal on these disgusting conjuctions.

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Speaker 14: Just to throw it into the mix lot. New Zealand

812
00:36:59,533 --> 00:37:02,013
Speaker 14: is not a wash with great infrastructure, right, and we're

813
00:37:02,093 --> 00:37:04,732
Speaker 14: not a wash with the cash to pay for you infrastructure.

814
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:08,133
Speaker 14: The best and most equitable way to build new stuff

815
00:37:08,173 --> 00:37:11,733
Speaker 14: and maintain the roads that we already have is to

816
00:37:11,893 --> 00:37:15,652
Speaker 14: charge users a little bit to and put that back

817
00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:18,493
Speaker 14: into the system, right, we need to improve the quality

818
00:37:18,573 --> 00:37:21,973
Speaker 14: so cars and people can move faster. And also we've

819
00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:24,413
Speaker 14: also got to have better public transport. And so creating

820
00:37:24,853 --> 00:37:28,013
Speaker 14: revenue to pay for stuff is the thing that congestion

821
00:37:28,133 --> 00:37:31,333
Speaker 14: charging will do. And yet it checks behavior, it charges

822
00:37:31,373 --> 00:37:33,533
Speaker 14: the real cost. Because there is this view in New Zealand.

823
00:37:33,573 --> 00:37:35,733
Speaker 14: You know, we're very open and you know, and we

824
00:37:35,733 --> 00:37:39,253
Speaker 14: can move around. There's a view that everything's kind of free,

825
00:37:39,613 --> 00:37:40,213
Speaker 14: and it's not.

826
00:37:40,533 --> 00:37:42,652
Speaker 2: Well, in a minute, were already you don't think we're

827
00:37:42,693 --> 00:37:43,493
Speaker 2: being text enough.

828
00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:46,813
Speaker 14: Well, it's not about this is a charge not a tax.

829
00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:48,613
Speaker 2: Well what's the difference. But if you're still taking money

830
00:37:48,613 --> 00:37:50,413
Speaker 2: out of people's product pockets our taxes.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, but we've got what we New Zealanders have high

832
00:37:53,013 --> 00:37:56,773
Speaker 14: expectations for services. We've got high expectations that things work

833
00:37:56,813 --> 00:37:59,773
Speaker 14: when we want them to, and that costs money. So

834
00:38:00,493 --> 00:38:04,333
Speaker 14: we're slipping behind in terms of our economic growth, in

835
00:38:04,373 --> 00:38:07,773
Speaker 14: our productivity. We know that we've got to have really

836
00:38:07,813 --> 00:38:11,013
Speaker 14: good transport, we've got to have really good infrastructure, and

837
00:38:11,053 --> 00:38:13,253
Speaker 14: that costs money. So if we want to be a

838
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:16,493
Speaker 14: highly productive, wealthy country and stay at the top, we

839
00:38:16,613 --> 00:38:17,413
Speaker 14: have to invest some of it.

840
00:38:17,573 --> 00:38:19,773
Speaker 2: Isn't it just punching the same people in the face

841
00:38:19,893 --> 00:38:22,453
Speaker 2: over and over again financially. So you've got the productive

842
00:38:22,453 --> 00:38:24,093
Speaker 2: people that want to drive to work and do a

843
00:38:24,173 --> 00:38:26,413
Speaker 2: job and pay their taxes, and they always seem to

844
00:38:26,413 --> 00:38:30,013
Speaker 2: the people that have to put their you know, open

845
00:38:30,093 --> 00:38:32,693
Speaker 2: up their wallets to help out the situation.

846
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Speaker 14: Who would you be charging? Who would you be if

847
00:38:34,533 --> 00:38:37,013
Speaker 14: you're not charging the people that use things? Who would

848
00:38:37,053 --> 00:38:38,813
Speaker 14: you be charging? I mean, would you be charging to

849
00:38:38,933 --> 00:38:39,813
Speaker 14: need and tax payer?

850
00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:43,333
Speaker 2: Well, I would say, I would say the argument. I'd

851
00:38:43,373 --> 00:38:44,893
Speaker 2: say the argument It gets to the point where it's

852
00:38:44,973 --> 00:38:47,813
Speaker 2: unfair because you keep charging the same people and when

853
00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:50,133
Speaker 2: you say who do you charge? Or you can't just

854
00:38:50,253 --> 00:38:52,773
Speaker 2: keep charging people and charging people and charging people for

855
00:38:52,813 --> 00:38:54,693
Speaker 2: what we what you want to do in the country.

856
00:38:55,173 --> 00:38:57,613
Speaker 14: At the moment, we're not charging them. People have pretty

857
00:38:57,653 --> 00:39:00,252
Speaker 14: I mean, there are only three toll roads in the country.

858
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Speaker 2: And we are charging them tax. So we do charge

859
00:39:02,693 --> 00:39:05,853
Speaker 2: petrol tax on our petrol. We charge on a lot

860
00:39:05,853 --> 00:39:08,613
Speaker 2: of things. So we are charging people at the moment.

861
00:39:08,893 --> 00:39:11,253
Speaker 14: And we don't have enough money in the system to

862
00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:14,493
Speaker 14: pay for what we need. I think that charging the

863
00:39:14,533 --> 00:39:16,413
Speaker 14: fairest way of doing it is to charge people a

864
00:39:16,413 --> 00:39:17,573
Speaker 14: bit more who use things.

865
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks so much, thank you. We have to

866
00:39:20,013 --> 00:39:20,333
Speaker 2: let you go.

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Speaker 3: So there was a bit tight, Nick. We've run out

868
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Speaker 3: of time. You're a good man, Nick, and we'll have

869
00:39:23,733 --> 00:39:25,172
Speaker 3: to get you on for a bit more of an

870
00:39:25,173 --> 00:39:27,652
Speaker 3: extended chat on that one. But thank you very much

871
00:39:27,693 --> 00:39:30,813
Speaker 3: for everyone who phoned in text. We're going to change

872
00:39:30,813 --> 00:39:33,613
Speaker 3: tech after two o'clock. We want to talk about picking

873
00:39:33,653 --> 00:39:35,773
Speaker 3: up the holiday on the credit card or the mortgage.

874
00:39:35,893 --> 00:39:37,013
Speaker 3: Good idea or bad idea.

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Speaker 2: I feel a bit bad about that, Nick, we ran

876
00:39:38,613 --> 00:39:40,533
Speaker 2: out of time. You're making some good points out there.

877
00:39:40,573 --> 00:39:41,333
Speaker 2: We're worth arguing.

878
00:39:41,373 --> 00:39:43,253
Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get them back for sure. One hundred percent. Oh,

879
00:39:43,253 --> 00:39:45,172
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

880
00:39:45,293 --> 00:39:46,453
Speaker 2: It is News.

881
00:39:46,173 --> 00:39:50,933
Speaker 1: Time talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

882
00:39:50,973 --> 00:39:53,573
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

883
00:39:53,613 --> 00:39:56,093
Speaker 3: It'd be good afternoon to you.

884
00:39:56,213 --> 00:39:57,973
Speaker 2: Welcome back into the program.

885
00:39:58,053 --> 00:39:59,613
Speaker 3: Just before we move on to the next topic, we

886
00:39:59,653 --> 00:40:01,812
Speaker 3: had a quick chat with Nick leg it off air,

887
00:40:01,893 --> 00:40:04,373
Speaker 3: and we will get them back. We're a bit tight

888
00:40:04,413 --> 00:40:06,293
Speaker 3: for time with our tails.

889
00:40:06,413 --> 00:40:06,613
Speaker 6: Yeah.

890
00:40:06,653 --> 00:40:09,773
Speaker 2: We were riving up for a on congestion charges and

891
00:40:09,813 --> 00:40:12,413
Speaker 2: then the news started, so we had to let him go. Yeah,

892
00:40:12,453 --> 00:40:14,733
Speaker 2: so that felt a bit rude, didn't it. But he

893
00:40:15,373 --> 00:40:17,652
Speaker 2: was a bit untidy, yeah, Tyler, and I blame your

894
00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:19,493
Speaker 2: time meggage management for the hour. Could you not get

895
00:40:19,533 --> 00:40:21,573
Speaker 2: him on five minutes before you got him on two

896
00:40:21,853 --> 00:40:23,533
Speaker 2: minutes and thirty seconds? How im I supposed to have

897
00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:24,253
Speaker 2: a discussion with something.

898
00:40:24,293 --> 00:40:26,293
Speaker 3: I just thought you'd be more efficient and more productive

899
00:40:26,333 --> 00:40:28,573
Speaker 3: with the three minutes allocated to you. But he is

900
00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:31,653
Speaker 3: keen as muster to come in studio in the near future.

901
00:40:31,693 --> 00:40:34,413
Speaker 3: This isn't a conversation that's going to go away anytime soon,

902
00:40:34,453 --> 00:40:36,093
Speaker 3: so we might open it up to the floor as well,

903
00:40:36,133 --> 00:40:39,133
Speaker 3: aka you our dear listeners. So that is the future.

904
00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:41,493
Speaker 3: We'll get back to that, yes, because right now, let's

905
00:40:41,493 --> 00:40:44,293
Speaker 3: have a chat about ticking up the holiday on your

906
00:40:44,373 --> 00:40:48,173
Speaker 3: mortgage or the credit card or indeed, as many people

907
00:40:48,173 --> 00:40:50,292
Speaker 3: are doing, buy now, pay later, So a growing number

908
00:40:50,293 --> 00:40:52,893
Speaker 3: of travelers around the country, around the world and here

909
00:40:52,893 --> 00:40:56,093
Speaker 3: in New Zealand are using buying our Pay later services

910
00:40:56,133 --> 00:40:59,333
Speaker 3: to pay for flights, hotels and cruisers and installments in

911
00:40:59,373 --> 00:41:03,413
Speaker 3: some cases with no interest or late fees. A lot

912
00:41:03,453 --> 00:41:06,373
Speaker 3: of these people say that they are using this service

913
00:41:06,453 --> 00:41:10,653
Speaker 3: because a lot of these trips are for life events, marriages,

914
00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:12,813
Speaker 3: last minute holidays to Japan.

915
00:41:13,373 --> 00:41:15,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what I want to talk about here is

916
00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:18,013
Speaker 2: bank holidays. A friend of mine came up with the

917
00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:19,973
Speaker 2: saying the other day because he was talking to a

918
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:22,812
Speaker 2: huge amount of friends that were going had plans trip

919
00:41:22,853 --> 00:41:26,253
Speaker 2: to the Islands, European trips, people going to Japan, and

920
00:41:26,293 --> 00:41:28,172
Speaker 2: then when you ask them how you go, how can

921
00:41:28,213 --> 00:41:29,613
Speaker 2: you afford that? And they go, oh, we're just having

922
00:41:29,613 --> 00:41:32,653
Speaker 2: it on our mortgage, And he said, that's a bank holiday.

923
00:41:33,373 --> 00:41:36,253
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the whether that's sensible

924
00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:39,613
Speaker 2: or not, whether you should just be ticking up your

925
00:41:39,613 --> 00:41:43,413
Speaker 2: holiday for the future because you do it now, you

926
00:41:43,493 --> 00:41:45,373
Speaker 2: go away, you have a great time. Sure, but you're

927
00:41:45,373 --> 00:41:47,013
Speaker 2: going to have to pay that back. So is that

928
00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:49,652
Speaker 2: just selling out your future self for you for right

929
00:41:49,693 --> 00:41:51,773
Speaker 2: now or should you do the old school way? So

930
00:41:51,813 --> 00:41:54,053
Speaker 2: me and my partner, we're going on a holiday overseas

931
00:41:54,333 --> 00:41:55,293
Speaker 2: in a couple of years.

932
00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:55,693
Speaker 3: Yep.

933
00:41:56,253 --> 00:41:57,853
Speaker 2: Do you know what we're doing, tyler? Do you know

934
00:41:57,853 --> 00:42:00,933
Speaker 2: what we're doing? Dear listeners, You've got a wee piggybank.

935
00:42:00,973 --> 00:42:03,893
Speaker 2: We're starting a little wee piggybank and we're putting coins

936
00:42:03,893 --> 00:42:04,053
Speaker 2: in it.

937
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:06,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that is really old school. I love the

938
00:42:06,453 --> 00:42:08,333
Speaker 3: idea of big bank. I know it's a digital pig,

939
00:42:08,573 --> 00:42:09,493
Speaker 3: it's a virtual.

940
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:12,692
Speaker 2: It's a savings you're putting away savings money every week

941
00:42:12,813 --> 00:42:15,933
Speaker 2: until we can afford to go on this little holiday.

942
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:19,692
Speaker 2: You know that. Isn't that the right way to do it?

943
00:42:19,853 --> 00:42:25,453
Speaker 2: Or is the bank holiday? Can you truly enjoy a

944
00:42:25,493 --> 00:42:27,692
Speaker 2: holiday if you know that you're just racking up more

945
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:29,813
Speaker 2: and more and more debt when you sit there, and

946
00:42:29,813 --> 00:42:31,133
Speaker 2: you know, if you go on a holiday, when you're

947
00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:33,853
Speaker 2: over the essay, you're in Europe. Say, let's just say

948
00:42:33,973 --> 00:42:36,693
Speaker 2: you're in Italy, right, because that's where we're planning to go.

949
00:42:36,853 --> 00:42:38,893
Speaker 2: So you're in Italy and then you're out for dinner,

950
00:42:38,893 --> 00:42:41,093
Speaker 2: and you always go, well, how often are we in Italy?

951
00:42:41,173 --> 00:42:43,653
Speaker 2: So you spend more money? How often away in Italy?

952
00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:46,173
Speaker 2: We're going and do this? Normally we wouldn't spend this

953
00:42:46,213 --> 00:42:48,213
Speaker 2: insane amount of money on this, but how often are

954
00:42:48,253 --> 00:42:50,813
Speaker 2: we over here? So whatever holiday money you spend blows

955
00:42:50,853 --> 00:42:53,813
Speaker 2: out by about three times. So maybe you have the

956
00:42:53,853 --> 00:42:58,173
Speaker 2: original a f IS and accommodation and such on your mortgage,

957
00:42:58,333 --> 00:43:00,652
Speaker 2: you will then blow out your credit cards whatever. After

958
00:43:00,693 --> 00:43:02,973
Speaker 2: pay your doing, you'll blow that out as well. You'll

959
00:43:03,053 --> 00:43:05,212
Speaker 2: end up spending so much more. So does that make

960
00:43:05,293 --> 00:43:08,293
Speaker 2: your holiday less enjoyable because you know that you get

961
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:10,853
Speaker 2: to be your future self is going to be grinding

962
00:43:10,893 --> 00:43:13,013
Speaker 2: a way to pay it back with interest.

963
00:43:13,133 --> 00:43:15,213
Speaker 3: Well, it's a great point because the last thing you

964
00:43:15,213 --> 00:43:17,293
Speaker 3: want to be doing is worrying about your finances when

965
00:43:17,293 --> 00:43:19,573
Speaker 3: you're on holiday, because then you think, oh, we've only

966
00:43:19,613 --> 00:43:21,773
Speaker 3: got a couple of thousand left, and maybe we shouldn't

967
00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:23,973
Speaker 3: go out for dinner tonight, even though it's this beautiful

968
00:43:23,973 --> 00:43:27,293
Speaker 3: Italian restaurant that we've dreamed about and talked about. You

969
00:43:27,373 --> 00:43:29,853
Speaker 3: may as well tick it up because that's less stress

970
00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:33,173
Speaker 3: in the interim, rather than arguing about, oh, we're spending

971
00:43:33,213 --> 00:43:34,933
Speaker 3: too much money on this holiday. You're on holiday, you

972
00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:36,053
Speaker 3: should be enjoying yourself.

973
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:40,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's another side to us though. There's another

974
00:43:40,933 --> 00:43:44,453
Speaker 2: side to this, and it's the idea that you go

975
00:43:44,533 --> 00:43:48,333
Speaker 2: on holiday. Now, well, okay, you don't know what's going

976
00:43:48,333 --> 00:43:49,853
Speaker 2: to happen in your life. You might get hit by

977
00:43:49,853 --> 00:43:52,133
Speaker 2: a bus yep and may not have to pay off

978
00:43:52,173 --> 00:43:55,493
Speaker 2: your mortgage. You might get unhealthy and not be able

979
00:43:55,533 --> 00:43:58,933
Speaker 2: to you know, you may not pass away, but you

980
00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:02,253
Speaker 2: might not be healthy enough to enjoy a holiday in

981
00:44:02,293 --> 00:44:04,853
Speaker 2: the future. So there's the other school where you just

982
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:07,773
Speaker 2: burn it now, you just go now, and damn the

983
00:44:07,773 --> 00:44:10,733
Speaker 2: future because this future is uncertain. Yeah, what as certain

984
00:44:10,853 --> 00:44:13,333
Speaker 2: is here and now, So tick it up on the mortgage,

985
00:44:13,453 --> 00:44:16,812
Speaker 2: have all the great times in the world. And look,

986
00:44:17,253 --> 00:44:18,853
Speaker 2: maybe you'll get lucky and you don't have to pay

987
00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:20,293
Speaker 2: it back because you're hit by a bus. I don't know.

988
00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:22,173
Speaker 3: I mean that scares the hell out of me, but

989
00:44:22,213 --> 00:44:23,933
Speaker 3: I kind of like it. And there I listened to

990
00:44:23,933 --> 00:44:25,933
Speaker 3: a guy. He's written a book called Die with Zero,

991
00:44:25,933 --> 00:44:30,053
Speaker 3: and his name's Bill Perkins. But he advocates just for that,

992
00:44:30,533 --> 00:44:32,453
Speaker 3: and he mentions, here are we stats. So for the

993
00:44:32,493 --> 00:44:35,093
Speaker 3: heads of a households between the ages of seventy to

994
00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:37,933
Speaker 3: seventy four, the median net worth is two hundred and

995
00:44:38,013 --> 00:44:41,293
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand dollars. That is the peak for most people.

996
00:44:41,373 --> 00:44:43,093
Speaker 3: But of course by the time you hit seventy to

997
00:44:43,133 --> 00:44:45,853
Speaker 3: seventy four, that is too late for many to enjoy

998
00:44:46,133 --> 00:44:50,053
Speaker 3: some of life's most fulfilling experiences. So he advocates, as

999
00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:54,053
Speaker 3: the book says, die was Zero, but also don't save

1000
00:44:54,133 --> 00:44:57,133
Speaker 3: too much, which is weird advice. But what he's advocating

1001
00:44:57,133 --> 00:45:01,093
Speaker 3: for is spend your money while you're young and limber

1002
00:45:01,253 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 3: and you can do those things that you want to do,

1003
00:45:02,973 --> 00:45:04,973
Speaker 3: rather than wait until you're in your seventies and you

1004
00:45:05,013 --> 00:45:05,853
Speaker 3: can't do them anymore.

1005
00:45:05,933 --> 00:45:09,053
Speaker 2: It's the triangle. There's a famous triangle people talk about.

1006
00:45:09,053 --> 00:45:12,813
Speaker 2: There's three things you've got. You've got time, you've got money,

1007
00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:16,613
Speaker 2: and you've got your health. And when you're young, you've

1008
00:45:16,613 --> 00:45:19,093
Speaker 2: got your health. You've got very little money and very

1009
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:21,133
Speaker 2: little time. Well, there's this period where you've got a

1010
00:45:21,173 --> 00:45:23,652
Speaker 2: bit of money, got no money, and some time when

1011
00:45:23,693 --> 00:45:26,732
Speaker 2: you're young. It's a small window though, Yeah, and then

1012
00:45:27,333 --> 00:45:30,173
Speaker 2: in your late twenties and thirties and into your forties,

1013
00:45:30,693 --> 00:45:33,172
Speaker 2: you may have money, but you don't have time, and

1014
00:45:33,253 --> 00:45:35,813
Speaker 2: you do have your health. But you can get to

1015
00:45:35,813 --> 00:45:38,053
Speaker 2: the situation where you're quite a bit older if you

1016
00:45:38,093 --> 00:45:39,973
Speaker 2: wait and wait and wait and wait and wait till

1017
00:45:40,013 --> 00:45:42,333
Speaker 2: you spend your money on these holidays. You might have

1018
00:45:42,373 --> 00:45:44,373
Speaker 2: the time and the money, but you don't have the

1019
00:45:44,413 --> 00:45:46,933
Speaker 2: health to enjoy it. You know, it's harder to get

1020
00:45:47,013 --> 00:45:49,653
Speaker 2: round when you're in your late seventies. You know, if

1021
00:45:49,693 --> 00:45:52,292
Speaker 2: you hold off your whole life until you're seventy before

1022
00:45:52,293 --> 00:45:55,093
Speaker 2: you go on this trip. Maybe you don't get to experience.

1023
00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:57,333
Speaker 2: Maybe you can't make it up to much you pitch

1024
00:45:57,373 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 2: you you know, maybe maybe you don't have the physical

1025
00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:03,333
Speaker 2: ability to joy the holidays you should. So really that's

1026
00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:06,293
Speaker 2: a question. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Bank Holidays

1027
00:46:06,493 --> 00:46:10,333
Speaker 2: A wise idea holdays, I mean borrowing the money to

1028
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:13,973
Speaker 2: go on a holiday or is the old school save

1029
00:46:14,133 --> 00:46:16,093
Speaker 2: up and only go when you've got the money the

1030
00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:16,533
Speaker 2: way to go.

1031
00:46:16,653 --> 00:46:18,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, give us a bus O. Eight hundred eighty ten

1032
00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:19,893
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

1033
00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:21,772
Speaker 2: And there's the other part of this, of course, which

1034
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:25,613
Speaker 2: is skiing, which is spending your kids inheritance. Because more

1035
00:46:25,653 --> 00:46:28,853
Speaker 2: and more people I hear from my friend's parents and

1036
00:46:28,893 --> 00:46:31,613
Speaker 2: they're all saying, you're not getting anything. Yep, we're spending

1037
00:46:31,653 --> 00:46:31,933
Speaker 2: it all.

1038
00:46:32,053 --> 00:46:33,333
Speaker 3: I agree with that. Spend it.

1039
00:46:33,413 --> 00:46:35,933
Speaker 2: You're not getting a cent your kids, So don't wait

1040
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:37,933
Speaker 2: because we're going to spend it all skiing. Don't worry

1041
00:46:37,973 --> 00:46:38,413
Speaker 2: about the kids.

1042
00:46:38,453 --> 00:46:40,212
Speaker 3: They can earn their own money. Oh, eight hundred eighty

1043
00:46:40,253 --> 00:46:42,573
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It's thirteen past two.

1044
00:46:43,413 --> 00:46:47,973
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

1045
00:46:48,013 --> 00:46:52,093
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said.

1046
00:46:51,893 --> 00:46:51,973
Speaker 4: Be.

1047
00:46:53,693 --> 00:46:56,773
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about ticking up a holiday or

1048
00:46:56,893 --> 00:46:59,773
Speaker 3: travel on your mortgage. Good idea or do you do

1049
00:46:59,813 --> 00:47:03,533
Speaker 3: the Matt Heath root which is traditional and many people

1050
00:47:03,573 --> 00:47:06,613
Speaker 3: would say wise is have we digital piggybank and save?

1051
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:08,293
Speaker 2: Yes, save and when you've got the money to go,

1052
00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 2: so that's when you go on your holiday, mash it open.

1053
00:47:11,213 --> 00:47:14,053
Speaker 2: You just don't tick it up on mortgage and essentially

1054
00:47:14,213 --> 00:47:17,773
Speaker 2: tasering your future self. That's what you're doing. Really, you're saying,

1055
00:47:17,973 --> 00:47:20,813
Speaker 2: I want to go on holiday now future Tyler, you

1056
00:47:20,813 --> 00:47:23,013
Speaker 2: can pay for it. Yeah, that's what you're saying. When

1057
00:47:23,053 --> 00:47:24,853
Speaker 2: you do that, Tyler. But as you men before, and

1058
00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:27,293
Speaker 2: when you have your holidays on your mortgage.

1059
00:47:27,413 --> 00:47:29,013
Speaker 3: You could save all the money in the world and

1060
00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:31,613
Speaker 3: you'll still overspend when you go on holiday because there'll

1061
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:33,413
Speaker 3: be things that you didn't think about that you want

1062
00:47:33,453 --> 00:47:33,613
Speaker 3: to do.

1063
00:47:33,813 --> 00:47:36,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're calling them a bank holiday when you get

1064
00:47:36,213 --> 00:47:38,013
Speaker 2: the bank to pay for your holiday rather than saving

1065
00:47:38,133 --> 00:47:38,813
Speaker 2: for it.

1066
00:47:38,973 --> 00:47:42,493
Speaker 3: Craig your thoughts, Yeah, I think I agree with you.

1067
00:47:42,533 --> 00:47:46,413
Speaker 17: Met I I'd rather retire a but earlier, maybe in

1068
00:47:46,453 --> 00:47:49,173
Speaker 17: my sixties early sixties, and rather than pay off a

1069
00:47:49,253 --> 00:47:51,212
Speaker 17: lot of head when I was younger, when until I'm

1070
00:47:51,213 --> 00:47:51,812
Speaker 17: seventy five.

1071
00:47:54,133 --> 00:47:59,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just with the idea, Craig that when you're eighty,

1072
00:48:00,053 --> 00:48:02,573
Speaker 3: you've still got the ability, hopefully to maybe do a

1073
00:48:02,613 --> 00:48:05,333
Speaker 3: little bit of work or still payoff off whatever det

1074
00:48:05,413 --> 00:48:07,573
Speaker 3: you've got. But you're not going to be skydiving, and

1075
00:48:07,573 --> 00:48:09,733
Speaker 3: you're not going to be I'm in up killiman Jarro,

1076
00:48:09,973 --> 00:48:11,732
Speaker 3: and you're not going to be doing some of those

1077
00:48:11,773 --> 00:48:12,533
Speaker 3: physical things.

1078
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:14,613
Speaker 2: Does that come into a dull for you?

1079
00:48:16,213 --> 00:48:18,893
Speaker 17: I guess so. I mean, I'm probably lucky enough to

1080
00:48:18,933 --> 00:48:20,573
Speaker 17: have done a few things when I was younger, but

1081
00:48:21,693 --> 00:48:23,773
Speaker 17: so I don't have a burning desire for some of

1082
00:48:23,773 --> 00:48:24,292
Speaker 17: those things.

1083
00:48:24,373 --> 00:48:26,013
Speaker 12: But yeah, I don't know.

1084
00:48:26,053 --> 00:48:29,093
Speaker 17: I just reckon. Yeah, being forced to work to your

1085
00:48:29,213 --> 00:48:32,373
Speaker 17: older just because you had a you know, especially holiday,

1086
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:33,373
Speaker 17: I don't know about that.

1087
00:48:34,293 --> 00:48:37,213
Speaker 2: Is it imperative in life? I've been having this discussion

1088
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:41,493
Speaker 2: with people to holiday overseas to have a good life.

1089
00:48:41,973 --> 00:48:44,973
Speaker 2: Is that really imperative or is it just as good

1090
00:48:45,013 --> 00:48:47,093
Speaker 2: to get a tent and go down to the beach

1091
00:48:47,333 --> 00:48:49,853
Speaker 2: in New Zealand compared to the damage you do to

1092
00:48:49,933 --> 00:48:52,333
Speaker 2: your life, Craig by spending an insane amount of money

1093
00:48:52,373 --> 00:48:55,053
Speaker 2: by going to the most beautiful place, I don't know,

1094
00:48:55,133 --> 00:48:58,053
Speaker 2: let's pick grease as a place or whatever, lovely, The

1095
00:48:58,133 --> 00:49:00,373
Speaker 2: damage you do to your life in terms of how

1096
00:49:00,453 --> 00:49:02,413
Speaker 2: later you have to retire and how much work you

1097
00:49:02,493 --> 00:49:06,293
Speaker 2: could do. Isn't this holiday home almost as good? Isn't

1098
00:49:06,293 --> 00:49:08,253
Speaker 2: it ninety percent as good as going overseas?

1099
00:49:09,213 --> 00:49:11,853
Speaker 17: It depends on your personality and your income, I suppose,

1100
00:49:11,893 --> 00:49:15,293
Speaker 17: But yeah, I mean for me, I hollidat homes all good?

1101
00:49:16,533 --> 00:49:17,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right?

1102
00:49:17,213 --> 00:49:19,853
Speaker 2: Think if you call Craig and good luck with your

1103
00:49:19,893 --> 00:49:20,653
Speaker 2: early retirement.

1104
00:49:20,733 --> 00:49:20,893
Speaker 12: Yea.

1105
00:49:21,213 --> 00:49:24,773
Speaker 2: Not all people who are sixty five plus are past

1106
00:49:24,813 --> 00:49:28,013
Speaker 2: traveling and having a good time, You pair of clowns. No, No,

1107
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:30,933
Speaker 2: you're a pair of clowns. That one person because we

1108
00:49:30,973 --> 00:49:33,773
Speaker 2: didn't say that. We did not say that people over

1109
00:49:33,813 --> 00:49:36,933
Speaker 2: sixty five. Were saying that there are times in your

1110
00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:41,533
Speaker 2: life when you have time, money, and health. Yeah, and

1111
00:49:41,573 --> 00:49:46,253
Speaker 2: you're more likely to have money and health when you're younger.

1112
00:49:46,293 --> 00:49:48,172
Speaker 2: You're just more likely to. But there are definitely people

1113
00:49:48,173 --> 00:49:51,813
Speaker 2: that can travel over sixty five and seventy five. And look,

1114
00:49:51,853 --> 00:49:54,772
Speaker 2: my dad's eighty. He's in tip top shape. You should

1115
00:49:54,773 --> 00:49:56,212
Speaker 2: see him doing the lawns down.

1116
00:49:56,253 --> 00:49:58,973
Speaker 3: It is croquet god farmer stock though, wasn't it your dad?

1117
00:49:59,053 --> 00:50:01,453
Speaker 3: Oh he's just good stock all round, good heath stock.

1118
00:50:02,053 --> 00:50:05,692
Speaker 3: Oh strange you didn't pass it on to me. See

1119
00:50:05,733 --> 00:50:07,453
Speaker 3: the world in your backyard as you were saying, man,

1120
00:50:07,533 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 3: oh yeah, don't leave downs, you've seen the country.

1121
00:50:09,973 --> 00:50:13,573
Speaker 2: Chris. Your thought on bank holidays or saving up in advance.

1122
00:50:14,573 --> 00:50:18,652
Speaker 12: Yeah, I a long a while ago said what are

1123
00:50:18,733 --> 00:50:23,373
Speaker 12: my life goals? I guided him on holidays. So every

1124
00:50:23,453 --> 00:50:25,973
Speaker 12: year I plan a year out, and what I try

1125
00:50:25,973 --> 00:50:29,533
Speaker 12: and do is pay for everything apart from general spence

1126
00:50:29,573 --> 00:50:32,973
Speaker 12: before I go. So if there's big ticket items, book

1127
00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:36,013
Speaker 12: those before you go, book your accommodation, obviously your flights,

1128
00:50:36,173 --> 00:50:37,813
Speaker 12: and always have a year out. So I go away

1129
00:50:37,853 --> 00:50:41,333
Speaker 12: in eight week time and then I've already started playing

1130
00:50:41,413 --> 00:50:45,093
Speaker 12: next April trips, so by the time it comes around,

1131
00:50:45,733 --> 00:50:48,933
Speaker 12: I've got savings to spend for that to days. That

1132
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,293
Speaker 12: with everything else is paid for. If we did New York,

1133
00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:54,453
Speaker 12: we paid for absolutely everything, so all I had to

1134
00:50:54,493 --> 00:50:56,373
Speaker 12: do was spend beer, money and food.

1135
00:50:57,253 --> 00:50:59,693
Speaker 2: How much do you how much do you mind me?

1136
00:50:59,773 --> 00:51:01,053
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking how much are you

1137
00:51:01,093 --> 00:51:03,692
Speaker 2: putting aside a week in your saving.

1138
00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:08,053
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's not possible for everyone, but to fifty.

1139
00:51:08,533 --> 00:51:11,692
Speaker 2: Fifty yeah and so and that with two fifty a week,

1140
00:51:11,773 --> 00:51:14,413
Speaker 2: that that adds up to a holiday once a year.

1141
00:51:14,453 --> 00:51:16,733
Speaker 2: Are you saying, oh.

1142
00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:19,053
Speaker 12: Yeah, at least one from me too?

1143
00:51:18,933 --> 00:51:19,373
Speaker 2: All right?

1144
00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:22,053
Speaker 12: You know we're not we're not going five star and

1145
00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:25,652
Speaker 12: things are getting back on an even keel, now you

1146
00:51:25,693 --> 00:51:28,413
Speaker 12: know you can. I've just looked at a New Zealand

1147
00:51:28,413 --> 00:51:31,573
Speaker 12: fight since you plan next April. That's eighteen hundred dollars

1148
00:51:31,653 --> 00:51:36,813
Speaker 12: return already booked. The accommodation in Tokyo. That's twelve hundred

1149
00:51:36,813 --> 00:51:39,573
Speaker 12: dollars to six sights, which is two hundred dollars, which

1150
00:51:39,613 --> 00:51:44,173
Speaker 12: is a dollar dodgy B and B country in New Zealand.

1151
00:51:44,253 --> 00:51:46,573
Speaker 12: So you know, by the time it comes around the

1152
00:51:46,613 --> 00:51:50,133
Speaker 12: next April, everything will be paid for. The Mario karts

1153
00:51:50,133 --> 00:51:50,853
Speaker 12: around Tokyo.

1154
00:51:51,213 --> 00:51:55,573
Speaker 2: I've done that stuff, hey, Chris, of you, Hey Chris,

1155
00:51:55,573 --> 00:51:57,973
Speaker 2: have you have you done those Marrio cuts before?

1156
00:51:59,253 --> 00:51:59,293
Speaker 6: No?

1157
00:51:59,413 --> 00:52:00,813
Speaker 12: I haven't. I'm done you ban yet.

1158
00:52:00,893 --> 00:52:03,853
Speaker 2: All right, So I've done those marriokrats around Tokyo, and

1159
00:52:03,973 --> 00:52:07,573
Speaker 2: that is freaking terrifying. But that's fun because you get out.

1160
00:52:07,573 --> 00:52:09,453
Speaker 2: You're on these tiny little carts that are so close

1161
00:52:09,493 --> 00:52:12,093
Speaker 2: to the ground. You're in amongst trucks. You're going around Tokyo.

1162
00:52:12,173 --> 00:52:14,652
Speaker 2: You have your you have your your tour guide that's

1163
00:52:14,653 --> 00:52:16,173
Speaker 2: out in front. You've got to keep up. You'll go

1164
00:52:16,213 --> 00:52:19,493
Speaker 2: through an intersection, right, You've got to follow him through, dodging.

1165
00:52:20,173 --> 00:52:23,373
Speaker 2: I was basically nearly under a Lorry truck at one point.

1166
00:52:23,573 --> 00:52:25,493
Speaker 2: It's it's an incredibly good time. But one thing you

1167
00:52:25,533 --> 00:52:29,253
Speaker 2: need to remember, Chris, when you're over there is that

1168
00:52:29,453 --> 00:52:34,172
Speaker 2: honking your horn in Japan is considered incredibly rude. So

1169
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:36,573
Speaker 2: you go to Tokyo, you hardly ever hear a horn.

1170
00:52:36,613 --> 00:52:38,613
Speaker 2: You've got this town of forty million people, the city

1171
00:52:38,653 --> 00:52:40,013
Speaker 2: of forty million, but you hard to hear a horn.

1172
00:52:40,333 --> 00:52:41,813
Speaker 2: And so a bunch of people were waving at us

1173
00:52:41,813 --> 00:52:43,893
Speaker 2: because we dressed up in these Mario costumes and these

1174
00:52:43,933 --> 00:52:47,173
Speaker 2: Mario carts blasting around the streets of Tokyo. We honked

1175
00:52:47,173 --> 00:52:50,853
Speaker 2: our horns to saylo, and our tour guide was like no, no, no,

1176
00:52:50,853 --> 00:52:53,333
Speaker 2: no no, and it pulled us over and goes, no, no,

1177
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:55,293
Speaker 2: no no, do not honk your horn. It's the equivalent

1178
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:58,493
Speaker 2: of flat, equivalent of giving people the finger doing that.

1179
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:00,053
Speaker 2: That's just a little bit of a vice Criss, but

1180
00:53:00,253 --> 00:53:02,293
Speaker 2: it's a it's scary, but it's a great time.

1181
00:53:07,213 --> 00:53:11,773
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, when you hit seventy, your traveling insurance goes up,

1182
00:53:12,213 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 12: Your hard car haigher costs go off. You know when

1183
00:53:15,453 --> 00:53:17,973
Speaker 12: you take these boxes for you as soon as you

1184
00:53:18,013 --> 00:53:20,493
Speaker 12: get over sixty five, mate, everything goes through the roof.

1185
00:53:20,893 --> 00:53:23,733
Speaker 2: So getting done early, Well, there you go, thanks to

1186
00:53:23,733 --> 00:53:24,333
Speaker 2: your care Chris.

1187
00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:26,613
Speaker 3: But just on that point, Chris, that that you're doing

1188
00:53:26,613 --> 00:53:28,733
Speaker 3: all these wonderful things and you're you're saving up and

1189
00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:32,613
Speaker 3: the strategy is perfect. But does he not a part

1190
00:53:32,613 --> 00:53:35,693
Speaker 3: of you that thinks maybe you should have spent some

1191
00:53:35,733 --> 00:53:37,413
Speaker 3: of that money a little bit earlier in your life,

1192
00:53:37,413 --> 00:53:40,652
Speaker 3: before you get those added costs of travel insurance and

1193
00:53:40,773 --> 00:53:43,333
Speaker 3: just your ability to to have that endurance, if you

1194
00:53:43,333 --> 00:53:43,773
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1195
00:53:44,973 --> 00:53:47,373
Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, I've got an ambition to do one hundred

1196
00:53:47,373 --> 00:53:50,212
Speaker 12: countries before a day. I'm on fifty five now, which

1197
00:53:50,333 --> 00:53:52,333
Speaker 12: means I've got to do all the Pacific islands and

1198
00:53:52,373 --> 00:53:53,493
Speaker 12: the local ones.

1199
00:53:53,573 --> 00:53:56,533
Speaker 2: Get older, check them up, take the easy ones up.

1200
00:53:56,613 --> 00:53:58,293
Speaker 3: Yet put it on the mortgage.

1201
00:53:57,893 --> 00:54:01,013
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely fifty five, you know, after a fair bit

1202
00:54:01,053 --> 00:54:01,413
Speaker 12: of trouble.

1203
00:54:01,573 --> 00:54:03,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hey, And you know you say that you

1204
00:54:03,653 --> 00:54:05,293
Speaker 2: save up and you have all the money in advance.

1205
00:54:05,373 --> 00:54:07,573
Speaker 2: But the thing I was talking about before is that

1206
00:54:07,653 --> 00:54:10,893
Speaker 2: overseas bending when you get somewhere, you just spend like

1207
00:54:10,973 --> 00:54:14,013
Speaker 2: it's nothing else because you're going, well, we're not here

1208
00:54:14,093 --> 00:54:16,773
Speaker 2: very often, we're on holiday. Just spend up or do

1209
00:54:16,813 --> 00:54:18,973
Speaker 2: you manage to just keep it tight for the whole time.

1210
00:54:20,493 --> 00:54:23,373
Speaker 12: I wouldn't say tight, but you know, I went to

1211
00:54:23,413 --> 00:54:27,172
Speaker 12: the States in January and four beers and the shop

1212
00:54:27,373 --> 00:54:30,772
Speaker 12: is one hundred news even dollars because of the exchange rates.

1213
00:54:30,813 --> 00:54:33,652
Speaker 12: So you have to be careful because if you look

1214
00:54:33,653 --> 00:54:35,973
Speaker 12: at a US dollars the same as a news event dollar,

1215
00:54:36,013 --> 00:54:37,093
Speaker 12: you'll be skinned pretty quick.

1216
00:54:37,533 --> 00:54:40,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Although the exchange rate's looking pretty good

1217
00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:41,453
Speaker 2: for Australia at the moment. If you're looking to go

1218
00:54:41,453 --> 00:54:42,893
Speaker 2: over I think we're in ninety three cents.

1219
00:54:43,013 --> 00:54:44,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, as of today, it's pretty good.

1220
00:54:44,773 --> 00:54:47,933
Speaker 2: Thanks for your call, Chris. I appreciate that. Notice everyone

1221
00:54:48,013 --> 00:54:50,933
Speaker 2: saves to achieve desired goals rather than generate higher income.

1222
00:54:50,973 --> 00:54:54,213
Speaker 2: New Zealand has a roadblock towards success, and most callers

1223
00:54:54,253 --> 00:54:58,573
Speaker 2: are stuck in the employee based living. Interesting. Yeah, so

1224
00:54:59,973 --> 00:55:02,533
Speaker 2: if I can understand what that text are saying, as

1225
00:55:02,533 --> 00:55:06,493
Speaker 2: you should instead of investing on these luxuries, you should

1226
00:55:06,493 --> 00:55:11,533
Speaker 2: be reinvesting in yourself and treating yourself as an ongoing

1227
00:55:11,573 --> 00:55:14,013
Speaker 2: concern in terms of your future money making.

1228
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:17,213
Speaker 3: It's not as fun as Mario carts. There was a hundred.

1229
00:55:18,373 --> 00:55:20,973
Speaker 2: Seriously, those Mario carts were of those terrifying things.

1230
00:55:21,853 --> 00:55:23,533
Speaker 3: It looks amazing, a great time.

1231
00:55:23,573 --> 00:55:26,253
Speaker 2: Can't believe that a nerdy country like New Zealand and

1232
00:55:26,333 --> 00:55:29,933
Speaker 2: Japan is quite safety conscious actually to be rid very safe.

1233
00:55:30,013 --> 00:55:33,053
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's I can't believe it's illegal. You

1234
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:36,133
Speaker 2: managed trying to get one past some a council in

1235
00:55:36,133 --> 00:55:37,293
Speaker 2: New Zealand being able to do that.

1236
00:55:37,293 --> 00:55:39,773
Speaker 3: They actually look like Mario karts the game that's been on.

1237
00:55:40,053 --> 00:55:41,093
Speaker 2: And you dressed up in the costume.

1238
00:55:41,133 --> 00:55:42,173
Speaker 3: Did they give you the costumes?

1239
00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:43,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, they give you the costumes and the little Mario

1240
00:55:43,973 --> 00:55:46,493
Speaker 2: karts and you blast around Tokyo at pace.

1241
00:55:46,773 --> 00:55:47,133
Speaker 3: Amazing.

1242
00:55:47,173 --> 00:55:49,133
Speaker 2: But I slipped behind because I was waving at these

1243
00:55:49,133 --> 00:55:51,573
Speaker 2: people that were waving at us, and then I realized

1244
00:55:51,573 --> 00:55:54,253
Speaker 2: that everyone else and the tour goat had already gone

1245
00:55:54,253 --> 00:55:56,093
Speaker 2: through the intersection. I don't want to get lost, so

1246
00:55:57,053 --> 00:55:59,613
Speaker 2: ran it on an orange nearly ended up under a

1247
00:55:59,653 --> 00:56:00,733
Speaker 2: truck with some logs.

1248
00:56:00,853 --> 00:56:03,893
Speaker 3: I'm putting that on the mortgage eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1249
00:56:03,933 --> 00:56:06,333
Speaker 3: Is it a good idea to tick up holiday? It

1250
00:56:06,453 --> 00:56:07,533
Speaker 3: is twenty five past two.

1251
00:56:12,133 --> 00:56:15,533
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred and

1252
00:56:15,573 --> 00:56:17,573
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk said.

1253
00:56:17,893 --> 00:56:20,773
Speaker 3: Afternoon, we're talking about ticking the holiday up on the mortgage.

1254
00:56:20,853 --> 00:56:22,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Were calling them bank holidays. More and

1255
00:56:22,933 --> 00:56:25,573
Speaker 2: more people are just getting into debt to go on

1256
00:56:25,893 --> 00:56:28,053
Speaker 2: their holidays. Is that a wise thing? Or should you

1257
00:56:28,133 --> 00:56:31,613
Speaker 2: do the old school, honest way of saving up before

1258
00:56:31,653 --> 00:56:32,013
Speaker 2: you go?

1259
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:32,413
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1260
00:56:32,453 --> 00:56:36,733
Speaker 2: All right, Why should future Matt pay for today's Matt's holidays?

1261
00:56:36,773 --> 00:56:40,133
Speaker 3: We'll just make it, Yeah, make it Matt's problem in

1262
00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:40,533
Speaker 3: the future.

1263
00:56:40,613 --> 00:56:41,733
Speaker 2: Tack it up, says Jerry.

1264
00:56:41,813 --> 00:56:42,653
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Jerry.

1265
00:56:42,853 --> 00:56:45,212
Speaker 2: This one says tick it up your losers? Who cares

1266
00:56:45,253 --> 00:56:47,453
Speaker 2: about your future? Self? Ticket ups? Is this other text?

1267
00:56:47,653 --> 00:56:50,493
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, this one did say twenty thousand dollars at

1268
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:54,373
Speaker 3: five point five percent would equate to one thousand and

1269
00:56:54,493 --> 00:56:58,013
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen dollars per year that you're paying back. Ah,

1270
00:56:58,093 --> 00:56:59,573
Speaker 3: we've done the mess there on ticking it up on

1271
00:56:59,613 --> 00:57:00,053
Speaker 3: the mortgage.

1272
00:57:00,333 --> 00:57:03,573
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, there you go, Jonathan. You saved for

1273
00:57:03,653 --> 00:57:04,013
Speaker 2: a trip.

1274
00:57:05,053 --> 00:57:05,573
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1275
00:57:05,613 --> 00:57:07,973
Speaker 20: So I'm an immigrant, so I haven't been back home

1276
00:57:08,053 --> 00:57:13,172
Speaker 20: doing eleven years and finally probably this year I'll be going.

1277
00:57:13,653 --> 00:57:15,933
Speaker 20: It took me about eleven years to save up because

1278
00:57:17,093 --> 00:57:19,413
Speaker 20: my wife I was the only birdwinner for about eight

1279
00:57:19,493 --> 00:57:22,333
Speaker 20: and a half nine years, and my wife recently went

1280
00:57:22,373 --> 00:57:25,653
Speaker 20: back to work. So and you have a mortgage at

1281
00:57:25,693 --> 00:57:28,333
Speaker 20: the moment, but I would never go on a trip

1282
00:57:29,093 --> 00:57:31,893
Speaker 20: based on, you know, taking up on a mortgage.

1283
00:57:32,013 --> 00:57:34,773
Speaker 2: Now, how much how much do you do? If you

1284
00:57:34,773 --> 00:57:37,293
Speaker 2: don't mind me asking, how much do you think the

1285
00:57:37,333 --> 00:57:39,773
Speaker 2: holiday will cost or the trip him will cost?

1286
00:57:40,213 --> 00:57:42,013
Speaker 20: My tink is a long cost in about ten two

1287
00:57:42,053 --> 00:57:45,773
Speaker 20: twelve grand for two of us and three children and

1288
00:57:46,133 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 20: probably spending money over there, and you know moving around

1289
00:57:50,413 --> 00:57:53,213
Speaker 20: should be another five or seven k. So you are around

1290
00:57:53,213 --> 00:57:54,893
Speaker 20: about twenty k, I would say.

1291
00:57:55,133 --> 00:57:58,973
Speaker 2: And so eleven years ago you decided to start saving up,

1292
00:57:59,013 --> 00:58:00,413
Speaker 2: So you've saved that entire time.

1293
00:58:00,933 --> 00:58:04,213
Speaker 20: But more we saved that entire time. Wow, the entire time.

1294
00:58:04,733 --> 00:58:07,773
Speaker 2: Well, that's a long game, so it must be exciting

1295
00:58:07,813 --> 00:58:09,493
Speaker 2: that it's coming frustion pretty soon.

1296
00:58:10,573 --> 00:58:12,813
Speaker 20: True, Yes, it is the only vacasion my wife gets

1297
00:58:12,893 --> 00:58:14,893
Speaker 20: is probably a mat on the strip. There is share

1298
00:58:14,933 --> 00:58:17,973
Speaker 20: the once at the moment, because you know, the strip

1299
00:58:18,093 --> 00:58:21,493
Speaker 20: was really important to me being back home after a

1300
00:58:21,613 --> 00:58:24,893
Speaker 20: very long time. But yeah, my advice was never to

1301
00:58:24,973 --> 00:58:28,733
Speaker 20: be just for occasion to go to dip into the morgage,

1302
00:58:28,773 --> 00:58:31,213
Speaker 20: which is you're digging yourself into a bigger hole.

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00:58:31,493 --> 00:58:34,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't think you'll be tempted when you're

1304
00:58:34,333 --> 00:58:36,493
Speaker 2: over there because you've saved up your money to go, well,

1305
00:58:36,733 --> 00:58:39,293
Speaker 2: we're back home, this is the first time eleven years,

1306
00:58:39,293 --> 00:58:41,693
Speaker 2: and splash out some more money and go into a

1307
00:58:41,733 --> 00:58:43,173
Speaker 2: little bit of dit just because you're over there.

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00:58:44,013 --> 00:58:47,173
Speaker 20: Now, I'm uncome conservative. I would say, I'm into finance,

1309
00:58:47,413 --> 00:58:49,933
Speaker 20: so I really want to pay my cards closed there. Yeah,

1310
00:58:50,453 --> 00:58:52,973
Speaker 20: I not get myself into dead just because of having

1311
00:58:53,013 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 20: fun for maybe four weeks, five weeks. It doesn't make

1312
00:58:56,653 --> 00:58:57,973
Speaker 20: you know, you could always do it later.

1313
00:58:58,453 --> 00:59:00,613
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for your call, Jonathan. There you go.

1314
00:59:00,693 --> 00:59:04,373
Speaker 2: I respect that eleven years of savings, not like millennials

1315
00:59:04,493 --> 00:59:07,293
Speaker 2: like you Tyler with your after pay and your bloody

1316
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:11,253
Speaker 2: yeah worry about the future later, and your laissez fair

1317
00:59:11,293 --> 00:59:12,253
Speaker 2: attitude to saving.

1318
00:59:12,293 --> 00:59:14,013
Speaker 3: Well, I take my head off to Jonathan. I mean

1319
00:59:14,013 --> 00:59:16,453
Speaker 3: that is phenomenal, saving up for eleven years and very wise.

1320
00:59:16,533 --> 00:59:19,893
Speaker 3: I mean, I think most people who are good with

1321
00:59:19,933 --> 00:59:22,653
Speaker 3: finances will say that's the thing to do. But if

1322
00:59:22,693 --> 00:59:26,293
Speaker 3: you want to put lifelong experiences ahead of saving for

1323
00:59:26,373 --> 00:59:28,813
Speaker 3: the so called golden years, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

1324
00:59:28,973 --> 00:59:31,733
Speaker 3: that is this mentality that you save and save and

1325
00:59:31,773 --> 00:59:34,253
Speaker 3: save and save until you get to retirement. And at

1326
00:59:34,293 --> 00:59:36,493
Speaker 3: that point you've got all this money to go and

1327
00:59:36,493 --> 00:59:38,853
Speaker 3: do whatever you want, but by that stage you might

1328
00:59:38,973 --> 00:59:39,773
Speaker 3: not be able to do it.

1329
00:59:39,853 --> 00:59:42,693
Speaker 2: Well, Michelle agrees, go for it. You never know what's

1330
00:59:42,733 --> 00:59:44,653
Speaker 2: around the corner. I've had a couple of friends die

1331
00:59:44,693 --> 00:59:47,053
Speaker 2: of cancer, and once that happened, I was off every

1332
00:59:47,093 --> 00:59:50,773
Speaker 2: year a big holiday. Life can be cruel. Yeah, I mean,

1333
00:59:51,013 --> 00:59:53,133
Speaker 2: you don't know what's going to happen. So if it's

1334
00:59:53,173 --> 00:59:56,173
Speaker 2: your dream holiday, you know it might never happen if

1335
00:59:56,253 --> 00:59:58,013
Speaker 2: you don't take the risk now.

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00:59:58,173 --> 01:00:00,733
Speaker 3: And no one's doing Mario Kart at seventy five, I mean,

1337
01:00:00,813 --> 01:00:03,573
Speaker 3: just judging on your experience, it sounded terrified at how

1338
01:00:03,613 --> 01:00:04,493
Speaker 3: old were you when you did it?

1339
01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:08,653
Speaker 2: I don't know, but not seventy five exactly, but it

1340
01:00:08,773 --> 01:00:09,773
Speaker 2: was dangerously hungover.

1341
01:00:09,813 --> 01:00:12,253
Speaker 3: To be honest, Oh, I tread not surprised. Oh eight

1342
01:00:12,373 --> 01:00:14,533
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? It

1343
01:00:14,653 --> 01:00:15,973
Speaker 3: is twenty ninety three.

1344
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Speaker 4: urging one hundred and forty nine police recruits who graduated

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Speaker 4: without a swim test because of a gastro bug link

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Speaker 4: to Wellington pools to get back in the water. Police

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Speaker 4: Wellington late last night. She has been remanded in custody

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Speaker 4: and these approbing areas of Coramandel's fung Amda Harbor for

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Speaker 4: missing forty four year old Jared Kingey and tore asking

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Speaker 4: people to check around boats. A University of Otago studies

1360
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Speaker 4: found autistic children's school attendance is low compared to others

1361
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Speaker 4: Premium Back now to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1364
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lane.

1365
01:01:36,253 --> 01:01:39,773
Speaker 2: We're talking about the prevalence of bank holidays right now,

1366
01:01:39,933 --> 01:01:43,133
Speaker 2: which is people ticking up their holiday, having it on

1367
01:01:43,173 --> 01:01:45,773
Speaker 2: the mortgage, having it on the credit card, having it

1368
01:01:45,773 --> 01:01:50,013
Speaker 2: on the after pay and enjoying life. Now, is that

1369
01:01:50,093 --> 01:01:52,093
Speaker 2: a good idea? Or should you save up the old

1370
01:01:52,133 --> 01:01:54,213
Speaker 2: school way which I'm trying to convince my partner to do.

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01:01:54,493 --> 01:01:55,973
Speaker 2: Save up for a holiday in a couple of years.

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01:01:56,053 --> 01:01:58,173
Speaker 3: Yep, you're putting a bit of a money away now

1373
01:01:58,253 --> 01:01:59,933
Speaker 3: for a trip to Italy.

1374
01:02:00,213 --> 01:02:03,053
Speaker 2: Well talking about starting maybe putting that way yep, yep.

1375
01:02:03,093 --> 01:02:05,133
Speaker 2: So we've had the conversation that we might stop put

1376
01:02:05,173 --> 01:02:08,893
Speaker 2: in the main we haven't actually started yet. Yeah. Anyway,

1377
01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:11,733
Speaker 2: So this Texas says so let's get this straight. Matt

1378
01:02:11,773 --> 01:02:14,173
Speaker 2: you drive around Tokyo and a cart dressed up as Mario,

1379
01:02:14,213 --> 01:02:16,413
Speaker 2: honking at people, and you wonder why Texas called you

1380
01:02:16,413 --> 01:02:19,413
Speaker 2: a cloud. Next time you should take your sidekick Tyler?

1381
01:02:20,533 --> 01:02:20,733
Speaker 6: Is it?

1382
01:02:20,773 --> 01:02:21,133
Speaker 2: Tyler?

1383
01:02:21,453 --> 01:02:21,533
Speaker 6: Oh?

1384
01:02:21,613 --> 01:02:23,773
Speaker 3: I how many names of a canul today?

1385
01:02:23,813 --> 01:02:26,373
Speaker 2: And you could do it properly with full makeup and

1386
01:02:26,413 --> 01:02:28,533
Speaker 2: a sidecar with one of those squeezy horns.

1387
01:02:28,613 --> 01:02:29,373
Speaker 3: Yep, I'd like that.

1388
01:02:29,413 --> 01:02:30,813
Speaker 2: Would you do that with me? Tyler?

1389
01:02:30,933 --> 01:02:31,213
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1390
01:02:31,253 --> 01:02:33,813
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And Matthew, you're invited to dear text you can

1391
01:02:33,853 --> 01:02:35,293
Speaker 3: come along. This would been a great time.

1392
01:02:37,653 --> 01:02:40,493
Speaker 2: That's worth ticking up onto your mortgage where of us

1393
01:02:40,493 --> 01:02:40,773
Speaker 2: will go?

1394
01:02:40,893 --> 01:02:41,293
Speaker 3: That is good?

1395
01:02:41,373 --> 01:02:43,813
Speaker 2: Absolutely call it. The point is a trip cost a

1396
01:02:43,813 --> 01:02:46,613
Speaker 2: minimum of ten thousand dollars plus. Saving that on average

1397
01:02:46,813 --> 01:02:49,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand income takes one to two years hard saving

1398
01:02:49,653 --> 01:02:52,493
Speaker 2: that can be made in a month affiliates selling a

1399
01:02:52,493 --> 01:02:55,333
Speaker 2: good product online? Who was right? The savers or those

1400
01:02:55,373 --> 01:02:58,053
Speaker 2: who work a little harder to earn more. Those who

1401
01:02:58,053 --> 01:03:00,373
Speaker 2: put it on tick and come home to work it off,

1402
01:03:00,453 --> 01:03:02,813
Speaker 2: are close to as bad as the student loan scammers

1403
01:03:02,853 --> 01:03:05,013
Speaker 2: who take out the loan then skip New Zealand.

1404
01:03:05,373 --> 01:03:07,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair enough. I don't know about the affiliate

1405
01:03:07,613 --> 01:03:09,413
Speaker 3: selling though. That kind of turned into a bit of

1406
01:03:09,453 --> 01:03:11,933
Speaker 3: an influencer plug. All right, well, I don't know what

1407
01:03:11,973 --> 01:03:14,693
Speaker 3: does that mean. Yeah, aff it's selling online.

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01:03:14,733 --> 01:03:16,493
Speaker 2: Well, if there's anyone out there that wants me to,

1409
01:03:17,213 --> 01:03:18,973
Speaker 2: I'll get in a bikini when I go to Italy

1410
01:03:19,013 --> 01:03:20,573
Speaker 2: and post some pictures if someone wants to.

1411
01:03:20,813 --> 01:03:22,933
Speaker 3: You know, you've got a holiday to pay for whatever

1412
01:03:22,973 --> 01:03:23,253
Speaker 3: it takes.

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01:03:23,293 --> 01:03:26,093
Speaker 2: Italian Tours wants me to go over there. It's a

1414
01:03:26,093 --> 01:03:29,053
Speaker 2: pretty New Zealand problem too, simply because it's so bastard

1415
01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:32,573
Speaker 2: expensive to go literally anywhere. I'm in the Europeans. Being

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01:03:32,573 --> 01:03:34,493
Speaker 2: able to travel to another country for one hundred bucks

1417
01:03:34,493 --> 01:03:36,213
Speaker 2: instead of thousands, I mean, that's a really good point.

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01:03:37,133 --> 01:03:39,693
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in Europe then you just jump

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01:03:39,773 --> 01:03:42,213
Speaker 2: on a train. It's so easy to go to such

1420
01:03:42,253 --> 01:03:45,293
Speaker 2: incredible places. Although if you're from Europe, you go you

1421
01:03:45,333 --> 01:03:47,653
Speaker 2: know where I'd like to go New Zealand. That looks good.

1422
01:03:47,773 --> 01:03:49,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's expensive together.

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01:03:49,573 --> 01:03:52,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're already here, so suck that up, Europeans.

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01:03:53,253 --> 01:03:53,893
Speaker 3: I'm great.

1425
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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01:03:56,173 --> 01:03:58,733
Speaker 10: Yeah, good, Hey, guys, I've just come back from a

1427
01:03:58,853 --> 01:04:03,693
Speaker 10: month in Thailand and we started saving about twelve months ago.

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01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:07,733
Speaker 10: But that's part of the fun was spending the last

1429
01:04:07,733 --> 01:04:11,693
Speaker 10: twelve month watching ship overs, the YouTube clips and whatever,

1430
01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:13,573
Speaker 10: you and really planning where you wanted to go and

1431
01:04:13,573 --> 01:04:15,693
Speaker 10: what you wanted to do. So by the time we went,

1432
01:04:16,213 --> 01:04:20,293
Speaker 10: we had all our fixed costs completely sorted and really

1433
01:04:20,333 --> 01:04:23,053
Speaker 10: it was only spending money after that. And you know,

1434
01:04:23,133 --> 01:04:26,813
Speaker 10: we lived like kings over there. But we picked you know,

1435
01:04:26,853 --> 01:04:30,613
Speaker 10: we picked Southeast Asia because it's affordable, so you know,

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01:04:31,693 --> 01:04:33,893
Speaker 10: for a month for two people staying in four or

1437
01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:37,173
Speaker 10: five stars and absolutely living it up. All our fixed

1438
01:04:37,173 --> 01:04:41,453
Speaker 10: costs were about eleven grand, so it was just alcohol

1439
01:04:41,573 --> 01:04:44,173
Speaker 10: and spending on top of that. So we ended up,

1440
01:04:44,853 --> 01:04:46,133
Speaker 10: after saving for twelve.

1441
01:04:45,933 --> 01:04:48,253
Speaker 8: Months, coming back with about five grand in the bank.

1442
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Speaker 2: And we just didn't It was arguably so Craig was

1443
01:04:52,173 --> 01:04:54,453
Speaker 2: arguably cheaper living once you were over there, you were

1444
01:04:54,533 --> 01:04:56,773
Speaker 2: kind of saving money for being over there on holiday.

1445
01:04:58,013 --> 01:04:58,973
Speaker 6: Well exactly, our.

1446
01:04:58,853 --> 01:05:01,493
Speaker 10: Food ball in New Zealand, you know, could last bloody

1447
01:05:01,573 --> 01:05:05,333
Speaker 10: two weeks over there. It's ridiculous, you know. And we

1448
01:05:05,373 --> 01:05:07,893
Speaker 10: didn't skimp on anything because we wanted to do something.

1449
01:05:07,933 --> 01:05:11,133
Speaker 10: We just it, you know, and all our accommodation was

1450
01:05:11,173 --> 01:05:14,133
Speaker 10: five stars with all of access and all sorts of

1451
01:05:14,133 --> 01:05:18,373
Speaker 10: crazy shirts, and it was just that's super affordable. But

1452
01:05:19,173 --> 01:05:22,133
Speaker 10: you know, we we we will always stay first.

1453
01:05:23,213 --> 01:05:27,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Craig, what you were saying, Craig as well

1454
01:05:27,253 --> 01:05:29,333
Speaker 2: is because you knew you were going to Thailand, you went.

1455
01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:31,493
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like you were missing out on life by

1456
01:05:31,533 --> 01:05:35,053
Speaker 2: saving because you were excited and enjoying the process of

1457
01:05:35,093 --> 01:05:38,653
Speaker 2: looking at YouTube and researching your holiday. So it was

1458
01:05:38,693 --> 01:05:41,933
Speaker 2: actually not really a period of austerity for you. It

1459
01:05:41,973 --> 01:05:43,773
Speaker 2: was it was a fun build up to the holiday

1460
01:05:43,813 --> 01:05:44,133
Speaker 2: as well.

1461
01:05:45,653 --> 01:05:46,573
Speaker 11: Yeah, well you know.

1462
01:05:46,573 --> 01:05:48,853
Speaker 10: The others because there was supposed to be four of

1463
01:05:48,933 --> 01:05:50,933
Speaker 10: us going and end up two three.

1464
01:05:50,973 --> 01:05:52,053
Speaker 12: But that's a different story.

1465
01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:54,453
Speaker 10: But they put it on me that you plan it,

1466
01:05:54,653 --> 01:05:56,253
Speaker 10: you come back and you tell us and then we'll

1467
01:05:56,253 --> 01:05:59,693
Speaker 10: say you just know and and so yeah, it was

1468
01:05:59,853 --> 01:06:00,773
Speaker 10: We've put a lot of time.

1469
01:06:00,653 --> 01:06:03,453
Speaker 19: And effort and a lot of bottles of wines around.

1470
01:06:03,413 --> 01:06:07,773
Speaker 10: Watching YouTube before we made our mind up. It started

1471
01:06:07,773 --> 01:06:10,333
Speaker 10: a two weeks, you ended up at four weeks.

1472
01:06:11,013 --> 01:06:14,293
Speaker 3: Love that, don't you, Craig? What if though it was

1473
01:06:14,693 --> 01:06:18,493
Speaker 3: a last minute opportunity to do something really fun, say

1474
01:06:18,573 --> 01:06:20,413
Speaker 3: your mates came to your Craig and it wasn't really

1475
01:06:20,493 --> 01:06:24,173
Speaker 3: planned and they say, hey, we're wanting to go back

1476
01:06:24,173 --> 01:06:27,893
Speaker 3: to Thailand and have a massive boys weekend scuba diving, fishing,

1477
01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:30,253
Speaker 3: will hit the last really hard. It's going to be great,

1478
01:06:30,613 --> 01:06:33,093
Speaker 3: but it's going to cost ten grand. At that point, Craig,

1479
01:06:33,173 --> 01:06:33,973
Speaker 3: would you tick it up?

1480
01:06:38,413 --> 01:06:38,853
Speaker 8: Probably?

1481
01:06:40,333 --> 01:06:44,893
Speaker 21: Probably we went over because two of us turned sixty

1482
01:06:44,973 --> 01:06:47,773
Speaker 21: and you know, like I had a half heart Steads

1483
01:06:47,773 --> 01:06:50,133
Speaker 21: put under December just before we went to such like

1484
01:06:50,533 --> 01:06:52,013
Speaker 21: Nass grew up, man, let's just go.

1485
01:06:52,293 --> 01:06:55,693
Speaker 10: Yeah, And but but we had the money sitting there,

1486
01:06:55,813 --> 01:06:59,413
Speaker 10: so not once did we consider when we're away with

1487
01:06:59,493 --> 01:07:01,053
Speaker 10: how much is that going to cost? It was like,

1488
01:07:01,773 --> 01:07:02,573
Speaker 10: are you're going to do it?

1489
01:07:02,613 --> 01:07:03,373
Speaker 21: Man, let's do it.

1490
01:07:03,413 --> 01:07:05,893
Speaker 10: And if we overspent, we would have just stuck it

1491
01:07:05,933 --> 01:07:08,293
Speaker 10: on our credit card and helped it when we got back,

1492
01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:13,413
Speaker 10: so there was no limitations. But yeah, so then Mint

1493
01:07:13,853 --> 01:07:14,853
Speaker 10: we had money back.

1494
01:07:15,213 --> 01:07:16,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you had the five thousand backs, So what

1495
01:07:16,813 --> 01:07:17,813
Speaker 2: are you going to do with that? Are you going

1496
01:07:17,893 --> 01:07:21,813
Speaker 2: to put that back into your daily life back here

1497
01:07:21,813 --> 01:07:23,173
Speaker 2: in New Zealand or are you going to spend that

1498
01:07:23,253 --> 01:07:24,413
Speaker 2: on another holiday.

1499
01:07:26,133 --> 01:07:26,413
Speaker 12: Boat?

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01:07:27,093 --> 01:07:29,893
Speaker 3: Good man? I like your style, Greg Yolo.

1501
01:07:30,413 --> 01:07:33,493
Speaker 2: Death comes quick. You never know when or how it

1502
01:07:33,533 --> 01:07:36,453
Speaker 2: will come, so you should enjoy it. And this text

1503
01:07:36,493 --> 01:07:38,853
Speaker 2: to Mike says the opposite. The whole New Zealand population

1504
01:07:38,973 --> 01:07:41,013
Speaker 2: is in debt due to the government. Look where we

1505
01:07:41,053 --> 01:07:43,853
Speaker 2: are now, Yeah, the government. The previous comment got us

1506
01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:46,093
Speaker 2: into some quite are in us debt. But we didn't

1507
01:07:46,293 --> 01:07:47,533
Speaker 2: really get a holiday. Did we know?

1508
01:07:47,693 --> 01:07:49,653
Speaker 3: If the shadowed us a trip to Thailand, we might

1509
01:07:49,693 --> 01:07:52,173
Speaker 3: be feeling a bit happier about it. We could eventually,

1510
01:07:52,213 --> 01:07:54,373
Speaker 3: we could have easily. There could have been times over.

1511
01:07:54,333 --> 01:07:56,573
Speaker 2: The shovel reality projects could have been we're all going

1512
01:07:56,613 --> 01:07:57,253
Speaker 2: to the Goldie.

1513
01:07:57,413 --> 01:08:01,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Sophie says via Tix's book the Trip guys,

1514
01:08:01,293 --> 01:08:04,653
Speaker 3: much like Yolo, you only live once once. I believe

1515
01:08:04,693 --> 01:08:07,933
Speaker 3: in phoebe if it and book it from Sophie.

1516
01:08:09,013 --> 01:08:12,893
Speaker 2: Okay, so coming up next, I want to argue against

1517
01:08:12,973 --> 01:08:17,572
Speaker 2: going on holidays at all. Oh, just against right, against

1518
01:08:17,572 --> 01:08:19,133
Speaker 2: the turn, against the whole thing.

1519
01:08:19,213 --> 01:08:21,293
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, it'd be good. It is, okay, eighteen

1520
01:08:21,293 --> 01:08:21,692
Speaker 3: to three.

1521
01:08:23,133 --> 01:08:26,612
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

1522
01:08:26,853 --> 01:08:30,892
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk,

1523
01:08:30,933 --> 01:08:31,932
Speaker 1: sa'd be afternoon.

1524
01:08:31,973 --> 01:08:34,412
Speaker 3: We've been talking about chicking up a holiday on the mortgage.

1525
01:08:34,452 --> 01:08:35,772
Speaker 3: Good idea or bad idea.

1526
01:08:36,372 --> 01:08:38,213
Speaker 2: I was just so pleased I travel when I was younger.

1527
01:08:38,253 --> 01:08:40,532
Speaker 2: I am unable to travel now. Car crash put a

1528
01:08:40,532 --> 01:08:42,772
Speaker 2: stop to many things. I've also seen a lot of

1529
01:08:42,772 --> 01:08:45,173
Speaker 2: New Zealand as well. So there you go. Yeah, that's

1530
01:08:45,213 --> 01:08:47,412
Speaker 2: what a lot of people thinks for that text, Kim,

1531
01:08:48,173 --> 01:08:51,213
Speaker 2: this is someone berating you Tyler. Hi, guys, it sounds

1532
01:08:51,253 --> 01:08:53,732
Speaker 2: like fun boring for a holiday, but it's a bad habit.

1533
01:08:53,812 --> 01:08:56,652
Speaker 2: I bet Tyler will be in financial difficulties later in life.

1534
01:08:56,692 --> 01:08:59,293
Speaker 2: I think you're right. Actually interesting you should say that

1535
01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:02,133
Speaker 2: because Tyler's actually, if you know, I'm very stingy. It

1536
01:09:02,253 --> 01:09:06,133
Speaker 2: actually struggles to spend any money. I could see you

1537
01:09:06,213 --> 01:09:07,652
Speaker 2: dying with quite a lot of money in your bank,

1538
01:09:08,452 --> 01:09:10,052
Speaker 2: just living frugally in a bedsit.

1539
01:09:10,893 --> 01:09:12,812
Speaker 3: My partner is at she loves to spend and I

1540
01:09:12,933 --> 01:09:14,053
Speaker 3: absolutely hate it.

1541
01:09:14,133 --> 01:09:14,372
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1542
01:09:14,412 --> 01:09:16,173
Speaker 3: I just want to have a big you go.

1543
01:09:17,372 --> 01:09:20,372
Speaker 2: Not I was just taking a breath. Oh you thought

1544
01:09:20,412 --> 01:09:21,932
Speaker 2: that I was going to say something. Yeah I can

1545
01:09:22,173 --> 01:09:25,932
Speaker 2: if you're finished, Yeah you go, just stay fit, says

1546
01:09:25,973 --> 01:09:28,652
Speaker 2: this texter did the in contrail too much? You pitch

1547
01:09:28,692 --> 01:09:31,732
Speaker 2: you last year at seventy and Everest Base camp five

1548
01:09:31,732 --> 01:09:33,492
Speaker 2: months ago at seventy one.

1549
01:09:33,572 --> 01:09:36,333
Speaker 3: That's impressive. Seventy one much, I peach you, yeah, have

1550
01:09:36,412 --> 01:09:40,012
Speaker 3: you ever done that much? You pitch you No, I haven't.

1551
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:43,173
Speaker 2: I would bloody like to. Should we go tomorrow to

1552
01:09:44,093 --> 01:09:46,372
Speaker 2: get it on the mortgage? Hey, before we go on

1553
01:09:46,452 --> 01:09:48,692
Speaker 2: with us? So I just want to make a small

1554
01:09:48,732 --> 01:09:51,612
Speaker 2: point about holidays, right, And it goes back to quite

1555
01:09:51,612 --> 01:09:55,933
Speaker 2: a famous quote from Seneca, the ancient Roman statesman and philosopher,

1556
01:09:55,973 --> 01:09:58,612
Speaker 2: who he said, you must lay aside the burdens of

1557
01:09:58,612 --> 01:10:01,133
Speaker 2: the mind. Until you do this, no place will satisfy you.

1558
01:10:01,492 --> 01:10:04,692
Speaker 2: Which is equivalent to the saying wherever you go, there

1559
01:10:04,692 --> 01:10:07,732
Speaker 2: you are. I think it's very, very important to make

1560
01:10:07,732 --> 01:10:10,893
Speaker 2: sure you're happy where you are before you go on holiday,

1561
01:10:11,013 --> 01:10:14,772
Speaker 2: because you're quite capable of being miserable on holiday. If

1562
01:10:14,812 --> 01:10:18,772
Speaker 2: you're miserable, holidays don't solve your problems. You're on holiday,

1563
01:10:18,772 --> 01:10:21,372
Speaker 2: you don't suddenly be fine. You've got to spend If

1564
01:10:21,372 --> 01:10:23,732
Speaker 2: you're going to spend the money on holiday, you've got

1565
01:10:23,772 --> 01:10:26,012
Speaker 2: to spend your time before you go on that holiday,

1566
01:10:26,053 --> 01:10:29,012
Speaker 2: getting into a mental state such that you can enjoy

1567
01:10:29,093 --> 01:10:32,053
Speaker 2: the holiday. Anyone that has watched White lotus any one

1568
01:10:32,093 --> 01:10:34,133
Speaker 2: of the three seasons. I mean that is basically an

1569
01:10:34,173 --> 01:10:37,852
Speaker 2: exploration into people who don't enjoy the holidays they are

1570
01:10:37,853 --> 01:10:41,412
Speaker 2: on because they take their problems with them wherever you are,

1571
01:10:41,853 --> 01:10:42,852
Speaker 2: wherever you go, there you are.

1572
01:10:43,093 --> 01:10:46,412
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree. Yeah, it's like, you know, you don't

1573
01:10:46,452 --> 01:10:48,652
Speaker 3: want to get into an argument just before you go

1574
01:10:48,692 --> 01:10:50,692
Speaker 3: on holiday, or you certainly don't want to get into

1575
01:10:50,732 --> 01:10:53,772
Speaker 3: an argument when you're on holiday. It just ruins everything.

1576
01:10:53,853 --> 01:10:55,852
Speaker 3: And as you mentioned before, I am a mess of scrooge.

1577
01:10:55,853 --> 01:10:57,372
Speaker 3: And as I said to you during the air break,

1578
01:10:57,532 --> 01:11:01,213
Speaker 3: there's been times where I've been stressing because Mave loves

1579
01:11:01,253 --> 01:11:03,333
Speaker 3: to spend money and good on you because we're on holiday,

1580
01:11:03,452 --> 01:11:06,093
Speaker 3: should be enjoying ourselves. And then I just get into

1581
01:11:06,133 --> 01:11:08,732
Speaker 3: this kind of doom spiral that oh man, into so

1582
01:11:08,812 --> 01:11:10,532
Speaker 3: much debt and it ruins the holiday.

1583
01:11:10,612 --> 01:11:12,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just got to enjoy it, that's right. You know,

1584
01:11:12,532 --> 01:11:13,772
Speaker 2: you've got to get in the right middle state. And

1585
01:11:13,772 --> 01:11:15,572
Speaker 2: so many people in relationships go, look, we're going to

1586
01:11:15,612 --> 01:11:17,892
Speaker 2: go on a holiday here and that'll sort things out.

1587
01:11:18,213 --> 01:11:20,372
Speaker 2: You'll have a huge Barnie in the uber on the

1588
01:11:20,372 --> 01:11:24,132
Speaker 2: way to the airport, another Barnie checking in your luggage,

1589
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:27,293
Speaker 2: a huge argument on the plane, and then you'll spend

1590
01:11:27,333 --> 01:11:29,372
Speaker 2: the whole thing not talking to each other. Yeah, got

1591
01:11:29,412 --> 01:11:31,852
Speaker 2: to sort out the relationship before you go. Youve got

1592
01:11:31,893 --> 01:11:34,172
Speaker 2: to sort yourself out before you go. If that reminds

1593
01:11:34,213 --> 01:11:38,572
Speaker 2: me of a fantastic Adam Sandler skit, you know Adam Sandler,

1594
01:11:38,612 --> 01:11:40,772
Speaker 2: but fan but you would say most of his comedy

1595
01:11:40,853 --> 01:11:43,892
Speaker 2: is tense towards the moronic, Yes, which I enjoyed. But

1596
01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:46,852
Speaker 2: he did this great skit called Romano Tours. I'll play

1597
01:11:46,893 --> 01:11:48,253
Speaker 2: a little bit of it well.

1598
01:11:48,093 --> 01:11:51,892
Speaker 22: Here at Romano Tours we always remind our customers if

1599
01:11:51,933 --> 01:11:56,733
Speaker 22: you're sad now, you might still feel sad there. Okay,

1600
01:11:57,412 --> 01:12:02,732
Speaker 22: you understand that makes sense. Our tours will take you

1601
01:12:02,812 --> 01:12:06,172
Speaker 22: to the most beautiful places on earth, take the cliffs

1602
01:12:06,173 --> 01:12:09,333
Speaker 22: of the Amaki Coast, fish with the that's in Sorrento.

1603
01:12:10,253 --> 01:12:14,852
Speaker 22: Do this add or not, But remember you're still going.

1604
01:12:14,812 --> 01:12:16,492
Speaker 2: To be you on vacation.

1605
01:12:17,973 --> 01:12:21,133
Speaker 22: If you are sad where you are and then you

1606
01:12:21,253 --> 01:12:24,652
Speaker 22: get on a plane to Italy, can you in Italy?

1607
01:12:24,772 --> 01:12:27,333
Speaker 22: It will be the same sadule from before.

1608
01:12:28,372 --> 01:12:29,892
Speaker 3: So true, it's so good.

1609
01:12:30,452 --> 01:12:32,692
Speaker 2: So if you're going to say for a year to

1610
01:12:32,772 --> 01:12:34,612
Speaker 2: go on holiday, or you're going to tick it up

1611
01:12:34,652 --> 01:12:38,293
Speaker 2: and throw it on your mortgage. Make sure you spend

1612
01:12:38,293 --> 01:12:40,572
Speaker 2: the time to put yourself in a good mental state

1613
01:12:40,612 --> 01:12:43,213
Speaker 2: before you go, because either way, otherwise you're going to

1614
01:12:43,253 --> 01:12:45,612
Speaker 2: be spending a whole lot of money and being miserable

1615
01:12:45,612 --> 01:12:46,253
Speaker 2: at the same time.

1616
01:12:46,372 --> 01:12:49,052
Speaker 3: Spot on one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1617
01:12:49,173 --> 01:12:52,293
Speaker 3: number to call Phil you reckon? Tick it up?

1618
01:12:53,973 --> 01:12:54,333
Speaker 6: What was that?

1619
01:12:54,452 --> 01:12:56,852
Speaker 3: Sorry, you recon tick it up? Put it on the mortgage,

1620
01:12:56,853 --> 01:12:58,652
Speaker 3: put it on the credit cards.

1621
01:12:59,133 --> 01:13:02,333
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think so, get ata both years there?

1622
01:13:02,652 --> 01:13:03,133
Speaker 6: What was that?

1623
01:13:03,452 --> 01:13:07,093
Speaker 15: Quotes me said about the Roman guy before a carry on?

1624
01:13:07,372 --> 01:13:09,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I remember right, it's from Seneca the Younger.

1625
01:13:09,612 --> 01:13:12,372
Speaker 2: You must lay aside the burdens of the mind. Until

1626
01:13:12,412 --> 01:13:15,053
Speaker 2: you do this, no place will satisfy you, which is

1627
01:13:15,093 --> 01:13:18,692
Speaker 2: basically an ancient Roman around the wrong way translation from

1628
01:13:18,772 --> 01:13:22,133
Speaker 2: Latin for the boodh of saying where if you go

1629
01:13:22,253 --> 01:13:22,692
Speaker 2: there you are.

1630
01:13:24,293 --> 01:13:26,892
Speaker 15: Yes, yeah, no, that's quite good, And yeah, I agree

1631
01:13:26,893 --> 01:13:30,213
Speaker 15: because you are. Otherwise you're just running away from you.

1632
01:13:30,372 --> 01:13:32,492
Speaker 15: It's like running away from your troubles, isn't it. They're

1633
01:13:32,492 --> 01:13:34,133
Speaker 15: going to be there when you get back from your

1634
01:13:34,133 --> 01:13:34,812
Speaker 15: great holiday.

1635
01:13:35,293 --> 01:13:39,133
Speaker 7: So absolutely, yeah, if you're not n I'm actually reading

1636
01:13:39,173 --> 01:13:39,972
Speaker 7: your book at the moment.

1637
01:13:40,013 --> 01:13:43,132
Speaker 15: Matt's got some great quotes from those Roman fallows.

1638
01:13:43,732 --> 01:13:45,693
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big fan of the ancient philosophy.

1639
01:13:45,732 --> 01:13:48,173
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, phil I'll punish people for hours

1640
01:13:48,173 --> 01:13:49,732
Speaker 2: about ancient philosophy.

1641
01:13:50,652 --> 01:13:51,213
Speaker 15: Fair enough.

1642
01:13:52,293 --> 01:13:56,412
Speaker 7: Yeah, I reckon like shaving up for your holiday is

1643
01:13:56,772 --> 01:13:59,852
Speaker 7: that's ostensible thing to do. And you know I make sense.

1644
01:13:59,893 --> 01:14:02,412
Speaker 7: So I'm with you there on that one, Matt. But

1645
01:14:02,772 --> 01:14:06,133
Speaker 7: I was thinking about it. I was thinking, I'm really

1646
01:14:06,173 --> 01:14:08,932
Speaker 7: with Tyler on this one. I was thinking, no, stuff

1647
01:14:08,933 --> 01:14:12,412
Speaker 7: it stuff, pick it up, think it up. Go while

1648
01:14:12,412 --> 01:14:15,053
Speaker 7: you're young, thick it up. You've got the memories to

1649
01:14:15,093 --> 01:14:17,692
Speaker 7: look back on when you get older. Because I was thinking,

1650
01:14:17,772 --> 01:14:20,732
Speaker 7: life is so uncertain in terms of what your health

1651
01:14:20,812 --> 01:14:23,572
Speaker 7: is going to be like in that and like the

1652
01:14:23,612 --> 01:14:26,452
Speaker 7: fellow that said seventy do and he's doing the much

1653
01:14:26,452 --> 01:14:29,093
Speaker 7: apeakle or whatever it was the thing, and that I mean,

1654
01:14:29,412 --> 01:14:32,053
Speaker 7: some people are you know, some people are very lucky

1655
01:14:32,093 --> 01:14:34,053
Speaker 7: and they stay healthy and they can do things like

1656
01:14:34,093 --> 01:14:36,732
Speaker 7: that even in the seventies and eighties, and these stories

1657
01:14:36,732 --> 01:14:39,772
Speaker 7: of you know, people skydive and even an eighty sort

1658
01:14:39,772 --> 01:14:40,093
Speaker 7: of thing.

1659
01:14:40,372 --> 01:14:43,172
Speaker 15: But you're just never known. I think of my father,

1660
01:14:43,853 --> 01:14:47,053
Speaker 15: who fortunately he was that guy that never wanted to

1661
01:14:47,093 --> 01:14:50,372
Speaker 15: travel anywhere, so I didn't bother him. But so he

1662
01:14:50,412 --> 01:14:53,892
Speaker 15: never left New Zealand and he died almost at ninety one.

1663
01:14:54,812 --> 01:14:58,372
Speaker 15: But in his later years, even if he did decide

1664
01:14:58,412 --> 01:15:00,772
Speaker 15: that he wanted to go somewhere, he was that he

1665
01:15:00,853 --> 01:15:03,933
Speaker 15: got that physically sort of mentally sick, and physically he

1666
01:15:03,933 --> 01:15:06,293
Speaker 15: wouldn't have been able to go. So I can't have

1667
01:15:06,372 --> 01:15:08,652
Speaker 15: thinking of Dad in that regard as well. So I

1668
01:15:08,692 --> 01:15:11,532
Speaker 15: always say, yeah, put it on the mortgage and after

1669
01:15:11,532 --> 01:15:14,452
Speaker 15: you go, and yeah, think about it later.

1670
01:15:14,532 --> 01:15:17,093
Speaker 3: Yeah out later. I thank you for you.

1671
01:15:17,173 --> 01:15:20,852
Speaker 2: Call this Texas says saved and walked across Spain the

1672
01:15:20,933 --> 01:15:24,213
Speaker 2: Camino again, the Camino. I was just talking to someone

1673
01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:26,173
Speaker 2: about the Camino the other day and then we met

1674
01:15:26,173 --> 01:15:29,333
Speaker 2: this pastor, yeah, who was just planning to walk the

1675
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:32,052
Speaker 2: Camino trail anyway, and July twenty twenty three, this person

1676
01:15:32,093 --> 01:15:35,293
Speaker 2: work at the Camino was pretty affordable. A twelve year

1677
01:15:35,333 --> 01:15:38,812
Speaker 2: old beard. Twelve year old dinner got cancer. July twenty

1678
01:15:38,853 --> 01:15:40,732
Speaker 2: twenty four. I'm sixty now, glad I did it when

1679
01:15:40,732 --> 01:15:43,772
Speaker 2: I could see any wow spot on. Sorry to hear that,

1680
01:15:43,853 --> 01:15:45,692
Speaker 2: and he did. But I'm so glad you got a

1681
01:15:45,772 --> 01:15:48,133
Speaker 2: chance to walk the Camino Trail. I mean, if you

1682
01:15:48,133 --> 01:15:51,253
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, you're basically walking across Spain.

1683
01:15:51,013 --> 01:15:53,492
Speaker 2: I think the maximum it can be. You know, if

1684
01:15:53,532 --> 01:15:55,652
Speaker 2: you do the whole thing, it's eight hundred kilometers, but

1685
01:15:55,812 --> 01:15:57,612
Speaker 2: you know, you're having a few wines on the way.

1686
01:15:57,732 --> 01:16:02,092
Speaker 2: You're walking between fantastic accommodation and seeing villages and seeing stuff.

1687
01:16:02,093 --> 01:16:05,253
Speaker 2: It's it's a bucket list thing to do the Camino Trailer.

1688
01:16:05,253 --> 01:16:07,452
Speaker 3: I'd love to do it. Didn't you plan to do it?

1689
01:16:08,532 --> 01:16:08,732
Speaker 6: To do it?

1690
01:16:08,772 --> 01:16:11,093
Speaker 2: When we were talking about it on the radio show

1691
01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:12,532
Speaker 2: all right at the end of last year.

1692
01:16:12,572 --> 01:16:14,612
Speaker 3: I see it because I was thinking, Italy, you've got

1693
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:16,372
Speaker 3: planned then you're going to do the Camino, go back

1694
01:16:16,412 --> 01:16:18,333
Speaker 3: to Tokyo for some Mario Karts. You're gonna have to

1695
01:16:18,333 --> 01:16:19,252
Speaker 3: get a second mortgage.

1696
01:16:19,333 --> 01:16:21,173
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, how long how long would I have

1697
01:16:21,213 --> 01:16:23,173
Speaker 2: to take off this radio show to walk eight hundred

1698
01:16:23,213 --> 01:16:24,012
Speaker 2: k across Spain?

1699
01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:25,812
Speaker 3: You could do the radio show over there. We could

1700
01:16:25,812 --> 01:16:27,572
Speaker 3: figure that out. Oh yeah, yeah, do it on a

1701
01:16:27,612 --> 01:16:30,333
Speaker 3: heap there, right, wouldn't that absolutely one hundred and eighty

1702
01:16:30,372 --> 01:16:32,053
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call love to hear

1703
01:16:32,093 --> 01:16:34,172
Speaker 3: from you. Was it a good idea to put a

1704
01:16:34,333 --> 01:16:38,412
Speaker 3: travel trip holiday on the mortgage? It is eight to three.

1705
01:16:38,612 --> 01:16:40,412
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you've been on a holiday but you

1706
01:16:40,452 --> 01:16:42,892
Speaker 2: took your sad self with you or a sad sack

1707
01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:44,972
Speaker 2: with you'd like to hear from your well as well,

1708
01:16:44,973 --> 01:16:47,452
Speaker 2: because you can plan and say for the best holiday

1709
01:16:47,452 --> 01:16:49,772
Speaker 2: in the world, but if you're miserable, you'll be miserable

1710
01:16:49,812 --> 01:16:50,333
Speaker 2: there as well.

1711
01:16:50,372 --> 01:16:54,372
Speaker 1: Absolutely the issues that affect you and a bit of

1712
01:16:54,412 --> 01:16:57,733
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons

1713
01:16:57,893 --> 01:16:59,412
Speaker 1: news talks'd.

1714
01:16:58,812 --> 01:17:03,133
Speaker 3: Be it is five to three. Man still looking at

1715
01:17:03,133 --> 01:17:05,372
Speaker 3: pictures of Mario karts and Tokyo. I mean that does

1716
01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:07,933
Speaker 3: look fantastic. Now that was a trip I was.

1717
01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:12,572
Speaker 2: Showing pictures of just because you didn't believe me, Tyler

1718
01:17:12,612 --> 01:17:15,052
Speaker 2: the U and I mean it looks like an incredible activity.

1719
01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:16,532
Speaker 3: Tokyo what a city.

1720
01:17:16,652 --> 01:17:19,492
Speaker 2: If you were in listening before that was that's something

1721
01:17:19,532 --> 01:17:21,253
Speaker 2: you can do in Tokyo. Drove around a little cart

1722
01:17:21,293 --> 01:17:24,532
Speaker 2: stressed up as Mario. My overseas holiday was eight years ago.

1723
01:17:24,652 --> 01:17:27,492
Speaker 2: I got my scuba tickets, learned to sale and got

1724
01:17:27,492 --> 01:17:29,892
Speaker 2: in a couple of Aussie Classic races and spent many

1725
01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:33,133
Speaker 2: weekends trail riding through the bush, but mostly I racked

1726
01:17:33,173 --> 01:17:36,412
Speaker 2: up my ussy mates and word goings. It was great

1727
01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:37,452
Speaker 2: and I checked it all up.

1728
01:17:37,612 --> 01:17:37,892
Speaker 3: Nice.

1729
01:17:37,933 --> 01:17:40,612
Speaker 2: There you go for your information, Tyler. Nothing is more

1730
01:17:40,692 --> 01:17:43,612
Speaker 2: un appealing and a man than meanness. We're talking before

1731
01:17:43,612 --> 01:17:45,372
Speaker 2: about how you don't like spending money, and it's nothing

1732
01:17:45,372 --> 01:17:47,412
Speaker 2: to be proud of. It's not a status symbol, Tyler.

1733
01:17:47,772 --> 01:17:50,333
Speaker 2: There has been a Harvard units. It's the PhD study

1734
01:17:50,372 --> 01:17:53,013
Speaker 2: done on this very subject. And over a lifetime, the

1735
01:17:53,053 --> 01:17:55,452
Speaker 2: money you saved being a scrooge is less than ten

1736
01:17:55,492 --> 01:17:59,173
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for what you lose out on. Think about that, Tyler, do.

1737
01:17:59,133 --> 01:18:03,733
Speaker 3: You go ten thousand dollars to ten thousand dollars?

1738
01:18:04,173 --> 01:18:06,052
Speaker 2: And this is the person says, hey, guys, I disagree

1739
01:18:06,053 --> 01:18:09,852
Speaker 2: with Matt and his ancient philosophers. I went sad in Italy.

1740
01:18:09,893 --> 01:18:11,892
Speaker 2: Traveling took me out of my funk as it showed

1741
01:18:11,933 --> 01:18:13,852
Speaker 2: me there was another way to live.

1742
01:18:13,973 --> 01:18:16,573
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true, it can that's true. Great discussion.

1743
01:18:16,652 --> 01:18:19,732
Speaker 3: Thank you to everybody that phoned and text on that one.

1744
01:18:19,772 --> 01:18:23,892
Speaker 3: Coming up after three o'clock we're going to have another

1745
01:18:23,933 --> 01:18:27,052
Speaker 3: topic on the table for you. It is three minutes

1746
01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:29,333
Speaker 3: to three new Sport and weather on its way. Great

1747
01:18:29,372 --> 01:18:31,333
Speaker 3: to have your company is always you're listening to matt

1748
01:18:31,372 --> 01:18:37,172
Speaker 3: and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

1749
01:18:37,173 --> 01:18:41,693
Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1750
01:18:41,732 --> 01:18:44,173
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on.

1751
01:18:44,253 --> 01:18:48,333
Speaker 3: News Talk Sebby afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

1752
01:18:48,372 --> 01:18:49,572
Speaker 3: Seven past three.

1753
01:18:50,013 --> 01:18:53,652
Speaker 2: Having a great show today. But look, my reputation was

1754
01:18:53,692 --> 01:18:56,772
Speaker 2: besmirched by people on the text machine of nineteen nine two.

1755
01:18:56,772 --> 01:19:00,132
Speaker 2: They said I was lying about Mario Kartz and Tokyo

1756
01:19:00,492 --> 01:19:03,452
Speaker 2: when I said before that you can put on a

1757
01:19:03,652 --> 01:19:06,213
Speaker 2: Mario there's a tour that you do in Tokyo. You

1758
01:19:06,333 --> 01:19:09,933
Speaker 2: put on a bunch of Mario kostumes. Yeah, and you

1759
01:19:10,053 --> 01:19:12,213
Speaker 2: drive around the little carts around Tokyo. Is quite dangerous.

1760
01:19:12,612 --> 01:19:14,492
Speaker 2: People said it's not real. People said it's not real.

1761
01:19:14,652 --> 01:19:16,772
Speaker 2: You can go to mad Heath and Zid on Instagram

1762
01:19:16,772 --> 01:19:18,933
Speaker 2: and check out my story. Yep, and I've posted a

1763
01:19:18,973 --> 01:19:20,013
Speaker 2: picture of me doing it.

1764
01:19:20,053 --> 01:19:24,693
Speaker 3: And you were Luigi No, I was Mario, Oh you're Mariola,

1765
01:19:24,772 --> 01:19:28,133
Speaker 3: look mate, Mariol And who was, oh, yeah, you're looking good.

1766
01:19:28,133 --> 01:19:29,172
Speaker 2: There there was a Luigi.

1767
01:19:29,572 --> 01:19:30,692
Speaker 3: Was that a real mustache?

1768
01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:35,213
Speaker 2: That looks like my mate Joseph Jury was Luigi who

1769
01:19:35,293 --> 01:19:39,293
Speaker 2: was Prince's Peach. My mate Gelide was Princess Peach.

1770
01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:40,812
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah that's pretty Yeah.

1771
01:19:41,013 --> 01:19:44,253
Speaker 2: Actually know that looks like Jeremy Wells was Princess Peach.

1772
01:19:44,492 --> 01:19:47,092
Speaker 2: Make a good look at this shot anyway, it's real.

1773
01:19:47,452 --> 01:19:49,333
Speaker 2: And then again, people don't believe that because I'll go,

1774
01:19:49,692 --> 01:19:52,492
Speaker 2: you've just aied that. Yeah, so you still have this

1775
01:19:52,612 --> 01:19:54,572
Speaker 2: is still a level of trust. It does exist.

1776
01:19:54,612 --> 01:19:55,732
Speaker 3: You can look it up on Google.

1777
01:19:56,093 --> 01:19:56,372
Speaker 6: Is there.

1778
01:19:57,492 --> 01:19:59,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go to med Heath and zid on

1779
01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:03,692
Speaker 2: Instagram and check out boy, oh my god. People still

1780
01:20:03,692 --> 01:20:05,612
Speaker 2: don't believe it, Like all the comments are like, it's

1781
01:20:05,772 --> 01:20:07,452
Speaker 2: not real, it's not real. That's real.

1782
01:20:07,532 --> 01:20:09,652
Speaker 3: Right, we'll put that one bed for now. And also

1783
01:20:09,692 --> 01:20:12,412
Speaker 3: a reminder coming up in about twenty five minutes.

1784
01:20:12,173 --> 01:20:14,133
Speaker 2: Gel text it is real. I did it two months ago.

1785
01:20:14,213 --> 01:20:16,612
Speaker 3: See, now there we go. Thank you, Joel You needed that.

1786
01:20:16,692 --> 01:20:19,652
Speaker 3: You needed that from Joelton. You really just needed that

1787
01:20:20,093 --> 01:20:20,852
Speaker 3: extra support.

1788
01:20:22,412 --> 01:20:24,013
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I already knew it was real. Good,

1789
01:20:24,213 --> 01:20:24,492
Speaker 2: there you go.

1790
01:20:24,572 --> 01:20:28,692
Speaker 3: Joe Mark Vitti he is an animal behavior expert. He

1791
01:20:28,853 --> 01:20:30,852
Speaker 3: is coming up in about twenty five minutes and he

1792
01:20:30,933 --> 01:20:34,053
Speaker 3: is an expert on everything to do with pets and animals.

1793
01:20:34,333 --> 01:20:36,213
Speaker 3: But that is coming up very shortly paced again in

1794
01:20:36,293 --> 01:20:38,492
Speaker 3: early though when it comes to mark Viti. But right now,

1795
01:20:38,532 --> 01:20:41,093
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about flat pack furniture. As we

1796
01:20:41,133 --> 01:20:45,972
Speaker 3: all know, Ikea is almost in the country, about six

1797
01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:46,492
Speaker 3: months away.

1798
01:20:46,492 --> 01:20:48,372
Speaker 2: They reckon and it's not just going to be in Auckland.

1799
01:20:48,412 --> 01:20:50,772
Speaker 2: There's going to be multiple Kias around the country. For

1800
01:20:50,772 --> 01:20:53,133
Speaker 2: the longest time, we didn't think Aikia said we didn't

1801
01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:54,892
Speaker 2: have a big enough population to come to New Zealand,

1802
01:20:55,173 --> 01:20:57,772
Speaker 2: but there were ways you could get Ikea in New Zealand. Whatever.

1803
01:20:57,812 --> 01:20:59,532
Speaker 2: Flat pats, they're quite good flat packs.

1804
01:20:59,652 --> 01:20:59,932
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1805
01:20:59,973 --> 01:21:01,412
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of people that will go

1806
01:21:01,692 --> 01:21:07,133
Speaker 2: that you see saying their instructions aren't very easy to follow.

1807
01:21:07,372 --> 01:21:09,892
Speaker 2: Those people are dumb. The instructions are very easy to follow.

1808
01:21:10,253 --> 01:21:12,412
Speaker 2: So if you start complaining that you can't understand the

1809
01:21:12,452 --> 01:21:16,652
Speaker 2: instructions and a flat pack, then that that's lost. It

1810
01:21:16,692 --> 01:21:18,692
Speaker 2: was lost. I mean some of the cheaper flat packs,

1811
01:21:18,893 --> 01:21:20,812
Speaker 2: you are amazed how bad the instructions are. But ike

1812
01:21:21,133 --> 01:21:24,532
Speaker 2: flat pack instructions are pretty good and the quality is

1813
01:21:24,532 --> 01:21:30,253
Speaker 2: pretty good. But I bought this flat pack chest of

1814
01:21:30,333 --> 01:21:33,333
Speaker 2: draws about a year ago. Right, it wasn't no care

1815
01:21:34,372 --> 01:21:36,772
Speaker 2: and the run name and shame just quickly. I can't

1816
01:21:36,812 --> 01:21:39,133
Speaker 2: remember the run. But it was quite expensive. It was

1817
01:21:39,133 --> 01:21:42,652
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars for flat pack. Yeah, for flat pack

1818
01:21:42,853 --> 01:21:45,892
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah, it was flash would yeah, yeah,

1819
01:21:46,013 --> 01:21:49,852
Speaker 2: sounds it. Maybe it was fifteen hundred bucks for more

1820
01:21:49,853 --> 01:21:51,852
Speaker 2: than one thing anyway, Actually I think it might have

1821
01:21:51,893 --> 01:21:54,133
Speaker 2: been fifteen hundred bucks. This is by the buyer. Maybe

1822
01:21:54,173 --> 01:21:57,133
Speaker 2: that and a bedside table. It was nice, but anyway,

1823
01:21:57,133 --> 01:21:59,652
Speaker 2: it's already broke, and I've decided to never buy a

1824
01:21:59,652 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 2: flat pack again. I want to buy fully made furniture yep,

1825
01:22:05,372 --> 01:22:09,972
Speaker 2: from a proper legit cabinet maker, where it's been varnished

1826
01:22:10,013 --> 01:22:12,013
Speaker 2: up and it's ready to go and you have to

1827
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:14,173
Speaker 2: put it in a vehicle and bring it there.

1828
01:22:14,293 --> 01:22:14,492
Speaker 6: Yep.

1829
01:22:14,853 --> 01:22:17,812
Speaker 3: And it's fully formed, there's no pulling it apart.

1830
01:22:17,973 --> 01:22:19,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to know if that's still a

1831
01:22:19,893 --> 01:22:22,612
Speaker 2: viable thing in New Zealand? Is it still viable to

1832
01:22:22,732 --> 01:22:27,492
Speaker 2: buy a brand new, put together, the quality, generational piece

1833
01:22:27,532 --> 01:22:30,933
Speaker 2: of furniture, the kind of furniture that will be my

1834
01:22:31,093 --> 01:22:34,812
Speaker 2: kids will put in their kid's house. Yeah, is that

1835
01:22:34,893 --> 01:22:37,973
Speaker 2: possible to buy that? And if it is eight one

1836
01:22:38,013 --> 01:22:40,333
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty, I'd like to hear from you.

1837
01:22:40,372 --> 01:22:41,852
Speaker 2: And if it isn't, also like to hear from you,

1838
01:22:41,893 --> 01:22:43,133
Speaker 2: because that's what I want to do from now on.

1839
01:22:43,492 --> 01:22:46,012
Speaker 2: Just I just want to even if it's insanely expensive,

1840
01:22:46,053 --> 01:22:48,013
Speaker 2: I just want to no longer.

1841
01:22:47,812 --> 01:22:50,772
Speaker 3: Buy rubbish, make furniture great again effectively. I mean it

1842
01:22:50,812 --> 01:22:53,652
Speaker 3: is they hand me down furniture that probably in our generation.

1843
01:22:53,812 --> 01:22:55,692
Speaker 3: I don't know if any younger, but most of us

1844
01:22:55,732 --> 01:22:57,932
Speaker 3: would have pieces that were handed down not from our parents,

1845
01:22:57,933 --> 01:23:00,852
Speaker 3: but from our parents, our grandparents, even great grandparents. You

1846
01:23:00,933 --> 01:23:04,732
Speaker 3: mentioned that beautiful home in Dunedin that has a whole

1847
01:23:04,732 --> 01:23:06,932
Speaker 3: bunch of intergenerational furniture Algustin.

1848
01:23:07,093 --> 01:23:09,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean literally none been using it because it's

1849
01:23:09,293 --> 01:23:12,492
Speaker 2: been a tourist attraction for a very long time. But

1850
01:23:12,532 --> 01:23:15,372
Speaker 2: when you look at the quality of the stuff that

1851
01:23:15,452 --> 01:23:19,293
Speaker 2: they used to make it, would it's intergenerational. And look,

1852
01:23:19,333 --> 01:23:21,012
Speaker 2: when I visit my dad, he's still using the same

1853
01:23:21,013 --> 01:23:22,492
Speaker 2: fridge from when I was a kid. This is a

1854
01:23:22,492 --> 01:23:24,972
Speaker 2: different issue, but things didn't last a lot longer.

1855
01:23:25,053 --> 01:23:26,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, rather than.

1856
01:23:26,253 --> 01:23:28,812
Speaker 2: The situation we're in now where you've probably just gone

1857
01:23:28,812 --> 01:23:32,293
Speaker 2: through it, Tyler, where you moved house up to Auckland,

1858
01:23:32,372 --> 01:23:33,492
Speaker 2: and I bet a lot of the stuff you just

1859
01:23:33,532 --> 01:23:35,852
Speaker 2: threw out it's one that's put it together and then

1860
01:23:35,853 --> 01:23:37,012
Speaker 2: when you move you half it out.

1861
01:23:37,093 --> 01:23:39,452
Speaker 3: All of the flatback furniture without a word of a lie,

1862
01:23:39,452 --> 01:23:41,253
Speaker 3: that all went to the dump because it started to

1863
01:23:41,293 --> 01:23:43,933
Speaker 3: fall apart. The only furniture that made the trip was

1864
01:23:43,973 --> 01:23:46,173
Speaker 3: the stuff that got handed down by Mabe's parents. So

1865
01:23:46,213 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 3: you spot on I one hundred eighty ten eighty where

1866
01:23:49,333 --> 01:23:52,612
Speaker 3: do you go to actually get proper built cabinet made?

1867
01:23:52,732 --> 01:23:54,612
Speaker 3: A cabinet maker? Is that what they call them?

1868
01:23:54,732 --> 01:23:57,053
Speaker 2: A cabinet maker? Yeah, we were trying to work out

1869
01:23:57,053 --> 01:23:58,612
Speaker 2: of it was a yeah as a cabinet maker.

1870
01:23:58,692 --> 01:24:01,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, where do you go for intergenerational furniture? Love to

1871
01:24:01,652 --> 01:24:06,293
Speaker 3: hear from you. It is twelve past three afternoon, matters

1872
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:08,933
Speaker 3: done with flat pack furniture, and he wants to know

1873
01:24:08,973 --> 01:24:13,612
Speaker 3: where do you go for proper intergenerational you know, purely made,

1874
01:24:14,013 --> 01:24:15,293
Speaker 3: we're well crafted furniture.

1875
01:24:15,452 --> 01:24:18,692
Speaker 2: Where are the real cabinet makers out there? Where are they?

1876
01:24:19,532 --> 01:24:24,172
Speaker 2: Michelle you're a fan of Dance Gambler, I am.

1877
01:24:24,532 --> 01:24:28,333
Speaker 23: We were particularly looking for them as someone to buy

1878
01:24:28,333 --> 01:24:31,572
Speaker 23: our furniture from. But we went online, looked for some

1879
01:24:31,652 --> 01:24:35,412
Speaker 23: really nice furniture, looked through a lot of rubbish and

1880
01:24:35,412 --> 01:24:38,733
Speaker 23: then said like though, so we were looking for just barstools,

1881
01:24:39,412 --> 01:24:42,532
Speaker 23: and we we went and looked at their bar stools

1882
01:24:42,572 --> 01:24:46,213
Speaker 23: and ended up buying some. They couldn't imply them immediately.

1883
01:24:47,133 --> 01:24:50,412
Speaker 23: They had to be built, and I was really impressive.

1884
01:24:50,492 --> 01:24:52,972
Speaker 23: Built in New Zealand. They made completely in New Zealand.

1885
01:24:53,293 --> 01:24:56,093
Speaker 23: All right, this is solid timber furniture made completely in

1886
01:24:56,133 --> 01:24:59,892
Speaker 23: New Zealand at reasonable prices. You know, I want them

1887
01:25:00,133 --> 01:25:04,772
Speaker 23: outstandingly expensive compared to others, and they have never sail on.

1888
01:25:04,893 --> 01:25:07,372
Speaker 23: While we were there, saw a side table we really

1889
01:25:07,492 --> 01:25:10,732
Speaker 23: liked and got them to make one of those at

1890
01:25:10,732 --> 01:25:14,452
Speaker 23: the same time. And honestly, I think this will be,

1891
01:25:15,053 --> 01:25:17,133
Speaker 23: like you say, one of the bits of finiture that

1892
01:25:17,173 --> 01:25:19,652
Speaker 23: I can pass on to someone else and family one day.

1893
01:25:19,893 --> 01:25:23,052
Speaker 2: Right, So that there's there's no there's no flat packing

1894
01:25:23,173 --> 01:25:26,493
Speaker 2: from Dance Coamobiler. It's all it's all manufactured in New Zealand.

1895
01:25:26,412 --> 01:25:28,772
Speaker 24: Completely made completely here.

1896
01:25:29,253 --> 01:25:32,013
Speaker 3: Right, So what is the history of the company. This

1897
01:25:32,093 --> 01:25:34,733
Speaker 3: might be an unfair question to you, but dance Gamobiler

1898
01:25:34,933 --> 01:25:36,372
Speaker 3: sounds like a European brand.

1899
01:25:36,412 --> 01:25:38,133
Speaker 6: Is that the case I thought they were.

1900
01:25:38,412 --> 01:25:40,612
Speaker 23: I thought they were and then when they said no, no,

1901
01:25:40,652 --> 01:25:43,333
Speaker 23: we make it here in New Zealand. It's all locally made.

1902
01:25:43,812 --> 01:25:44,012
Speaker 7: Wow.

1903
01:25:44,053 --> 01:25:46,612
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's as much as I.

1904
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:50,732
Speaker 2: Know Dance Gambler as a second generation, family owned and

1905
01:25:50,812 --> 01:25:53,732
Speaker 2: operated New Zealand company. The founders Ken and bent Winter

1906
01:25:53,812 --> 01:25:56,532
Speaker 2: immigrated to New Zealand from Denmark in the nineteen forties.

1907
01:25:56,893 --> 01:25:59,652
Speaker 3: Great to know, So there you go. Yeah right, yeah,

1908
01:25:59,692 --> 01:26:04,532
Speaker 3: that's the local support local dance Gamobla for the one. Yeah, key,

1909
01:26:04,612 --> 01:26:05,933
Speaker 3: we made fantastic.

1910
01:26:06,173 --> 01:26:07,973
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. All right, good to know. I

1911
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:10,772
Speaker 2: mean it's to be a bit more expensive then just

1912
01:26:10,812 --> 01:26:13,293
Speaker 2: your rubbish flat pack that you having to skip when

1913
01:26:13,293 --> 01:26:13,852
Speaker 2: you move out.

1914
01:26:13,893 --> 01:26:16,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it because it lasts, it last multi generations.

1915
01:26:17,372 --> 01:26:18,213
Speaker 2: Gregor for the show.

1916
01:26:19,253 --> 01:26:22,452
Speaker 17: Yeh, guys, there are you. Look, I'm on the handy man.

1917
01:26:22,492 --> 01:26:25,412
Speaker 17: He dos a bit of works, a freak company who

1918
01:26:26,013 --> 01:26:28,772
Speaker 17: who moved his embassies around the around the world sometimes

1919
01:26:28,772 --> 01:26:31,412
Speaker 17: and I've I've hit the put Todd iq of furniture

1920
01:26:31,412 --> 01:26:33,133
Speaker 17: together without the instructions at all.

1921
01:26:33,333 --> 01:26:35,452
Speaker 3: Wow, quite a night here.

1922
01:26:35,572 --> 01:26:39,572
Speaker 14: But into the generational furniturey.

1923
01:26:39,772 --> 01:26:41,933
Speaker 17: I won't say what country was when I moved to

1924
01:26:41,933 --> 01:26:44,333
Speaker 17: help move the embassador unto his place and he hid

1925
01:26:44,372 --> 01:26:47,333
Speaker 17: some furniture there that I talked to him about and

1926
01:26:47,652 --> 01:26:50,012
Speaker 17: it had been in this family since seventeen eighty.

1927
01:26:50,412 --> 01:26:53,213
Speaker 2: Wow, Well where was he? Where was there? Where was

1928
01:26:53,253 --> 01:26:54,452
Speaker 2: there the ambassador.

1929
01:26:54,013 --> 01:26:56,892
Speaker 17: From Well, I don't really want to start.

1930
01:26:56,973 --> 01:26:58,253
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

1931
01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:03,253
Speaker 17: Yeah, of Europe, Yeah, quite a big country in Europe.

1932
01:27:03,253 --> 01:27:05,452
Speaker 17: But wow, I was looking at the spirit thinking this

1933
01:27:05,532 --> 01:27:07,933
Speaker 17: is older than New Zealand. He'd just come from the

1934
01:27:07,973 --> 01:27:11,572
Speaker 17: middle and they hit two actually get popshumidifiers in the

1935
01:27:11,812 --> 01:27:14,092
Speaker 17: in the house because it started to dry out and cracked.

1936
01:27:14,492 --> 01:27:14,812
Speaker 1: Wow.

1937
01:27:16,492 --> 01:27:18,572
Speaker 2: What kind of furniture was it?

1938
01:27:18,692 --> 01:27:24,732
Speaker 17: These jont bigs like sideboard. Yeah, I don't even know

1939
01:27:24,772 --> 01:27:27,293
Speaker 17: what you're tall. I'm being tall. They're about two meters tall.

1940
01:27:28,532 --> 01:27:31,532
Speaker 17: Sort of put all your nice plates and stuff and.

1941
01:27:30,973 --> 01:27:33,692
Speaker 2: And good now and good neck and it's four hundred

1942
01:27:33,812 --> 01:27:37,412
Speaker 2: years killer. Yeah, of course there.

1943
01:27:38,893 --> 01:27:42,093
Speaker 17: It was very cool. Wood rights and from twos make

1944
01:27:42,133 --> 01:27:43,092
Speaker 17: some beautiful furniture.

1945
01:27:43,253 --> 01:27:45,572
Speaker 2: If you want to up who is that again?

1946
01:27:46,692 --> 01:27:49,692
Speaker 3: Wood rights one more time? Would you you're just cutting

1947
01:27:49,732 --> 01:27:51,173
Speaker 3: out a little bit it out?

1948
01:27:52,572 --> 01:27:53,333
Speaker 17: Would rights?

1949
01:27:53,532 --> 01:27:54,692
Speaker 2: Wou would rights?

1950
01:27:55,173 --> 01:27:55,492
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1951
01:27:55,612 --> 01:27:58,652
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, You've got to play the earth for customer

1952
01:27:58,652 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 17: made furniture in New Zealand. But like you say, you

1953
01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:02,572
Speaker 17: can do it to your kids. You can do it

1954
01:28:02,612 --> 01:28:06,133
Speaker 17: to your kids. We we we Our dining room table

1955
01:28:06,173 --> 01:28:10,732
Speaker 17: at home was owned by my my grandparents who bought

1956
01:28:10,732 --> 01:28:12,692
Speaker 17: it with My father was very y young. So were

1957
01:28:12,692 --> 01:28:16,612
Speaker 17: you one one hundred year old table at home? Still

1958
01:28:16,732 --> 01:28:17,652
Speaker 17: use it day to day?

1959
01:28:17,772 --> 01:28:18,013
Speaker 25: You know?

1960
01:28:18,093 --> 01:28:20,772
Speaker 17: And just like my dad when he was.

1961
01:28:20,692 --> 01:28:22,372
Speaker 3: A pretty is it all?

1962
01:28:22,412 --> 01:28:22,612
Speaker 5: You know?

1963
01:28:22,732 --> 01:28:23,733
Speaker 3: Quality? Absolutely?

1964
01:28:23,772 --> 01:28:23,932
Speaker 9: Well.

1965
01:28:23,933 --> 01:28:27,532
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the Newton Buffet walnut wood table

1966
01:28:27,812 --> 01:28:32,452
Speaker 2: from wood Rights. Beautiful but yeah you are paying three

1967
01:28:32,452 --> 01:28:34,812
Speaker 2: and a half grand for it, but beautiful. Just quick

1968
01:28:34,893 --> 01:28:37,652
Speaker 2: a question about Remoo, Greg, do you have that? Sorry,

1969
01:28:37,692 --> 01:28:40,013
Speaker 2: I'll take that back. I was stolen. Google screwed me

1970
01:28:40,053 --> 01:28:42,093
Speaker 2: on that. You know, when it's when you look at

1971
01:28:42,093 --> 01:28:43,852
Speaker 2: something and it sends you the wrong thing. Struck that

1972
01:28:43,853 --> 01:28:47,132
Speaker 2: that wasn't wood Google? Remove?

1973
01:28:47,253 --> 01:28:49,213
Speaker 3: Do they still make things out of remove grig or

1974
01:28:49,253 --> 01:28:51,892
Speaker 3: is that someone told me that? You know, it's very

1975
01:28:51,933 --> 01:28:55,293
Speaker 3: hard to get fresh remoo these days. But so a

1976
01:28:55,293 --> 01:28:57,293
Speaker 3: lot of the furniture is just hand me down, Remoo.

1977
01:28:58,213 --> 01:29:00,732
Speaker 17: I'm actually restoring a house and we just got our

1978
01:29:00,853 --> 01:29:04,213
Speaker 17: deck out of Totra. Well I saught it would need

1979
01:29:04,293 --> 01:29:07,213
Speaker 17: to be generally found by trees that are falling over,

1980
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:09,452
Speaker 17: and people have specialized sences that they can cut them

1981
01:29:09,492 --> 01:29:11,452
Speaker 17: up once they fall over in the window they get

1982
01:29:11,492 --> 01:29:14,972
Speaker 17: so old. Yeah, is very hard to work with because

1983
01:29:15,013 --> 01:29:19,212
Speaker 17: it cracked and splits, especially as it ages, So it's.

1984
01:29:19,133 --> 01:29:19,972
Speaker 14: Not the best.

1985
01:29:20,333 --> 01:29:22,892
Speaker 17: I mean, it's beautiful, but it's very difficult to work

1986
01:29:22,933 --> 01:29:26,372
Speaker 17: with a wood moveing and once it dries out, man,

1987
01:29:26,412 --> 01:29:27,612
Speaker 17: it's splits like you wouldn't believe.

1988
01:29:27,692 --> 01:29:30,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's why it's quite expensive, because it's it's

1989
01:29:30,412 --> 01:29:31,972
Speaker 3: a lot harder to work with in craft.

1990
01:29:33,013 --> 01:29:34,412
Speaker 17: Yeah, and you can't get and like you say, you

1991
01:29:34,452 --> 01:29:36,932
Speaker 17: can't get hold of it. Toature is the best timber

1992
01:29:36,933 --> 01:29:39,213
Speaker 17: to work with, but it leaches, so it's not so

1993
01:29:39,253 --> 01:29:45,452
Speaker 17: good for furniture. So it's always yeah. Yeah, some of

1994
01:29:45,492 --> 01:29:49,173
Speaker 17: the European hard ones that come out of beautiful, but

1995
01:29:49,173 --> 01:29:51,652
Speaker 17: but Remy is pretty hard to hold off. Now you

1996
01:29:51,692 --> 01:29:53,253
Speaker 17: need to find someone whose heads got to see and

1997
01:29:53,253 --> 01:29:55,333
Speaker 17: he's got a whole lot of got a stash's being

1998
01:29:55,372 --> 01:29:58,093
Speaker 17: there for fifty years. You get most of them, and

1999
01:29:58,173 --> 01:30:00,093
Speaker 17: they're around you can find them.

2000
01:30:00,213 --> 01:30:04,173
Speaker 2: Well, he go on on wood rights now with with

2001
01:30:04,293 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 2: a pure oak or aged oak or mid brown ass

2002
01:30:08,093 --> 01:30:16,333
Speaker 2: or topie ash bookshelf. And that's the Brooklyn High book bookcase.

2003
01:30:16,652 --> 01:30:18,053
Speaker 2: It's three hundred and eighty one.

2004
01:30:18,133 --> 01:30:20,652
Speaker 3: Of course that's going to last a couple hundred years.

2005
01:30:20,853 --> 01:30:24,372
Speaker 2: At least it looks generational. Yeah, it looks generational. There

2006
01:30:24,412 --> 01:30:26,253
Speaker 2: you go, Greg, you're a good man.

2007
01:30:26,652 --> 01:30:27,372
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, you go.

2008
01:30:28,372 --> 01:30:30,412
Speaker 17: I was just gonna say it is cool, but it's

2009
01:30:30,412 --> 01:30:32,012
Speaker 17: still a still particle board.

2010
01:30:32,732 --> 01:30:35,892
Speaker 6: Particle board, yeah exactly, but it's still executively the same.

2011
01:30:36,372 --> 01:30:38,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for your call, Gregor appreciate that. Hi,

2012
01:30:38,973 --> 01:30:41,532
Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler. I've got a I've got Remau furniture

2013
01:30:41,572 --> 01:30:44,612
Speaker 2: my grandfather made for my grandmother, a glory box chest

2014
01:30:44,652 --> 01:30:48,893
Speaker 2: of drawers and bedside cabinet from nineteen twenty. There you go.

2015
01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:51,013
Speaker 3: Who is beautiful water, isn't it?

2016
01:30:51,612 --> 01:30:51,852
Speaker 9: Love?

2017
01:30:51,933 --> 01:30:54,293
Speaker 3: A good piece of Remo, love a bit of Remo.

2018
01:30:54,372 --> 01:30:55,253
Speaker 2: Okay, portal it.

2019
01:30:55,133 --> 01:30:56,053
Speaker 3: Sounds pretty good as well.

2020
01:30:56,133 --> 01:30:56,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

2021
01:30:57,253 --> 01:30:59,053
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2022
01:30:59,093 --> 01:31:01,892
Speaker 3: to call. Where do you find a good cabinet makers

2023
01:31:01,973 --> 01:31:04,052
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Keen to chat with you. It's twenty

2024
01:31:04,093 --> 01:31:04,812
Speaker 3: two past three.

2025
01:31:04,973 --> 01:31:08,052
Speaker 2: My god, a lot of love for Dance Mobler, Dansky Mobler.

2026
01:31:08,372 --> 01:31:08,772
Speaker 2: I'm good.

2027
01:31:08,893 --> 01:31:09,053
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2028
01:31:09,093 --> 01:31:10,692
Speaker 2: They also help with the community boards.

2029
01:31:10,692 --> 01:31:12,092
Speaker 3: It's eNB don't they good people?

2030
01:31:16,933 --> 01:31:20,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

2031
01:31:20,333 --> 01:31:22,253
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

2032
01:31:22,772 --> 01:31:26,213
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, twenty four past three, and this topic has

2033
01:31:26,253 --> 01:31:29,253
Speaker 3: gone ballistic, which is a great thing. Where do you

2034
01:31:29,293 --> 01:31:30,972
Speaker 3: find good cabinet makers in New Zealand?

2035
01:31:31,053 --> 01:31:32,132
Speaker 2: Welcome the show, Peter.

2036
01:31:33,412 --> 01:31:37,452
Speaker 25: Okay, boys, nice to hear. Hey O techy theme of

2037
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:37,812
Speaker 25: the day.

2038
01:31:38,532 --> 01:31:39,253
Speaker 6: Gormet wood.

2039
01:31:39,772 --> 01:31:46,572
Speaker 25: In techy gormet wood. Jared out there will drop a tree,

2040
01:31:46,732 --> 01:31:49,612
Speaker 25: he will know it. Wow, he will machine it and

2041
01:31:49,652 --> 01:31:52,933
Speaker 25: then he will sit down with you and design furniture

2042
01:31:53,612 --> 01:31:55,972
Speaker 25: that is in the keeping of one hundred to two

2043
01:31:56,053 --> 01:32:00,692
Speaker 25: hundred year evaluation. Comes to a family. Oh yeah, he

2044
01:32:00,732 --> 01:32:06,252
Speaker 25: comes to a family of wood and wood turning, wood

2045
01:32:06,412 --> 01:32:11,652
Speaker 25: working people, and he has very traditional methods and beautiful furniture.

2046
01:32:11,692 --> 01:32:15,372
Speaker 25: We had our whole house just built recently, and all

2047
01:32:15,372 --> 01:32:17,812
Speaker 25: the furniture we got him to do for us well

2048
01:32:17,853 --> 01:32:20,093
Speaker 25: little outlast probably the house Yeah.

2049
01:32:20,133 --> 01:32:22,972
Speaker 2: Wow, Gourmet Wood dot coat on Z just going there. Jared.

2050
01:32:22,973 --> 01:32:26,212
Speaker 25: Did you say his name was that's the gentleman, Yeah.

2051
01:32:26,093 --> 01:32:28,532
Speaker 2: Jared, good looking man. Actually curly headed chap.

2052
01:32:29,333 --> 01:32:32,012
Speaker 3: Actually it looks like a fine furniture maker.

2053
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:34,572
Speaker 2: Actually looks like my son Barry. The Gourmet Wood team

2054
01:32:34,612 --> 01:32:36,933
Speaker 2: operate a swarm more producing small batches of timber. We

2055
01:32:37,053 --> 01:32:39,973
Speaker 2: use this to design and create bespoke journry in chemistry

2056
01:32:40,173 --> 01:32:42,053
Speaker 2: for your home and business. We love to highlight the

2057
01:32:42,133 --> 01:32:44,732
Speaker 2: natural beauty of wood and quality pieces that are both

2058
01:32:44,772 --> 01:32:47,452
Speaker 2: functional and stunning. Our workshop is situated at sixty four

2059
01:32:47,532 --> 01:32:50,852
Speaker 2: Riverbank Road, or takey of giving the whole whole plug

2060
01:32:50,893 --> 01:32:54,052
Speaker 2: here for your Peter. We've opened during normal business hours

2061
01:32:54,053 --> 01:32:56,452
Speaker 2: on the weekdays. Good on you. Yeah, I like that.

2062
01:32:56,452 --> 01:32:58,492
Speaker 25: He's quite a visionary man. He's quite a visionary man,

2063
01:32:58,572 --> 01:32:59,692
Speaker 25: and he's beautiful to work with.

2064
01:33:00,452 --> 01:33:01,013
Speaker 6: Beautiful love.

2065
01:33:01,532 --> 01:33:04,772
Speaker 2: Such a wonderful idea, isn't it that you know the

2066
01:33:05,213 --> 01:33:07,692
Speaker 2: things in your house that you would care about and

2067
01:33:07,692 --> 01:33:10,733
Speaker 2: they'd have some me rather than completely functional and disposable.

2068
01:33:10,812 --> 01:33:12,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like that idea.

2069
01:33:12,492 --> 01:33:15,132
Speaker 25: Obviously, we saw the wood go through stages.

2070
01:33:15,973 --> 01:33:17,573
Speaker 15: I've just seen it was a beautiful.

2071
01:33:17,253 --> 01:33:19,452
Speaker 3: Thing to think I've just seen he's got some show

2072
01:33:19,452 --> 01:33:22,173
Speaker 3: pieces in the Otucky Library and they look phenomenal.

2073
01:33:23,372 --> 01:33:26,293
Speaker 25: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, he's done some incredible things.

2074
01:33:26,492 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 2: What a great New Zealand.

2075
01:33:27,333 --> 01:33:32,333
Speaker 3: I think if you call Peter Carl, who do you reckon?

2076
01:33:32,412 --> 01:33:35,333
Speaker 3: You've got a good mate. Are you a cabinet making yourself?

2077
01:33:35,372 --> 01:33:35,612
Speaker 9: Are you?

2078
01:33:36,772 --> 01:33:36,932
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2079
01:33:37,013 --> 01:33:39,652
Speaker 26: Kebna maker joiner of thirty eight odd years.

2080
01:33:39,732 --> 01:33:41,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, great to chat with you.

2081
01:33:41,612 --> 01:33:44,372
Speaker 2: And are you busy at people still coming in for

2082
01:33:44,412 --> 01:33:45,572
Speaker 2: the bespoke stuff?

2083
01:33:47,173 --> 01:33:51,212
Speaker 26: But we do pretty much everything from wooden balls, windows

2084
01:33:51,253 --> 01:33:55,052
Speaker 26: right the way through the kitchens and cabinets and beds

2085
01:33:55,053 --> 01:34:00,253
Speaker 26: like tables, dining tables, the whole work. Yeah, we're keeping

2086
01:34:00,692 --> 01:34:01,692
Speaker 26: very busy at the moment.

2087
01:34:01,893 --> 01:34:04,293
Speaker 2: And how long does your stuff last? Is it generational?

2088
01:34:06,692 --> 01:34:11,532
Speaker 26: The beans a client ends up choosing the product, and

2089
01:34:11,532 --> 01:34:14,013
Speaker 26: that we'd like to think that it will outlast my

2090
01:34:14,093 --> 01:34:19,172
Speaker 26: lifetime anyway. A lot of the solid timber stuff nowadays

2091
01:34:19,173 --> 01:34:23,293
Speaker 26: that we're building, it's you do have to have a

2092
01:34:23,333 --> 01:34:26,253
Speaker 26: little bit of a bigger budget to be able to

2093
01:34:26,412 --> 01:34:30,572
Speaker 26: afford it because the timber joinery, the craftsmanship behind it

2094
01:34:30,612 --> 01:34:36,173
Speaker 26: all is it's a specialist trade, which is dying. You're

2095
01:34:36,213 --> 01:34:41,133
Speaker 26: paying for that specialist skill that we we have been

2096
01:34:41,253 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 26: trained four years training to do in your apprenticeships, and

2097
01:34:46,213 --> 01:34:48,532
Speaker 26: it's a real craftsmanship job.

2098
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:50,852
Speaker 2: Carl, does particle board disgust you?

2099
01:34:53,093 --> 01:34:57,012
Speaker 26: Yeah, although I mean most of our kitchens and that

2100
01:34:57,013 --> 01:35:00,932
Speaker 26: that we build everyone is using the MDF, the particle board.

2101
01:35:01,013 --> 01:35:03,892
Speaker 26: But when you see a bit of remu solid remu

2102
01:35:04,013 --> 01:35:07,492
Speaker 26: coming in and people have painted it and get your

2103
01:35:07,532 --> 01:35:10,772
Speaker 26: cringe and your you just want to see in it

2104
01:35:10,893 --> 01:35:12,973
Speaker 26: back and give it a nice coat of oil or

2105
01:35:13,053 --> 01:35:14,412
Speaker 26: a lacquer or.

2106
01:35:14,853 --> 01:35:18,012
Speaker 2: People have committed some crimes to beautiful wood and when

2107
01:35:18,173 --> 01:35:20,973
Speaker 2: there was period at some point where it became unfashionable

2108
01:35:20,973 --> 01:35:23,053
Speaker 2: to have the wood luck and they just lacking it

2109
01:35:23,133 --> 01:35:25,372
Speaker 2: up with rubbish, covered it in paint.

2110
01:35:25,492 --> 01:35:26,213
Speaker 3: Absolute crime.

2111
01:35:26,412 --> 01:35:27,772
Speaker 2: How would people get hold of you? Carl?

2112
01:35:31,692 --> 01:35:36,293
Speaker 26: Phone, website, all the above, social media? Yeah, wack rows

2113
01:35:36,452 --> 01:35:38,173
Speaker 26: w A c k r o.

2114
01:35:38,213 --> 01:35:39,973
Speaker 9: W s r W.

2115
01:35:41,492 --> 01:35:43,812
Speaker 3: Love it. What's your favorite wood to work with?

2116
01:35:46,053 --> 01:35:53,013
Speaker 26: We've worked with some all sorts of crazy timbers, birds eye, maples, birds, remus.

2117
01:35:53,412 --> 01:35:56,733
Speaker 26: I love the natives. Heard someone talking about totus before.

2118
01:35:56,612 --> 01:36:00,372
Speaker 26: That's a crazy timber to work with. It's beautiful. But yeah,

2119
01:36:00,572 --> 01:36:04,213
Speaker 26: very early your mattois once again, very early.

2120
01:36:04,412 --> 01:36:06,012
Speaker 9: But nice timber.

2121
01:36:07,652 --> 01:36:11,013
Speaker 26: I'm just a timber fan, so here you give me

2122
01:36:11,053 --> 01:36:15,652
Speaker 26: any sort of timber, myrie all of the natives.

2123
01:36:16,053 --> 01:36:17,972
Speaker 2: I love the passion Carl, I love wood.

2124
01:36:18,013 --> 01:36:19,212
Speaker 3: Chat there you go about.

2125
01:36:18,973 --> 01:36:22,452
Speaker 2: Water all day, warecrows, dot, cot and zed. You get that.

2126
01:36:22,772 --> 01:36:24,612
Speaker 2: You get some of that Carl passion in your home.

2127
01:36:24,692 --> 01:36:27,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, bedroom, what a great discussion. We've got Mark Vitti

2128
01:36:27,652 --> 01:36:29,973
Speaker 3: coming up very shortly, but we're gonna have to bring

2129
01:36:30,053 --> 01:36:32,293
Speaker 3: that back because we had so many great texts and

2130
01:36:32,333 --> 01:36:33,772
Speaker 3: so many people we wanted to chains.

2131
01:36:33,973 --> 01:36:36,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie horse finiture apparently good, getting a few texts

2132
01:36:36,612 --> 01:36:36,812
Speaker 2: on that.

2133
01:36:37,013 --> 01:36:37,213
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2134
01:36:37,293 --> 01:36:40,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, well let's do this topic again because I'm

2135
01:36:40,253 --> 01:36:40,652
Speaker 2: enjoying it.

2136
01:36:40,772 --> 01:36:40,932
Speaker 9: Yep.

2137
01:36:41,053 --> 01:36:43,772
Speaker 3: Absolutely. But coming up next we do have Mark Vitti.

2138
01:36:43,933 --> 01:36:47,213
Speaker 3: He is an animal behavior expert and he is taking

2139
01:36:47,213 --> 01:36:49,492
Speaker 3: your calls if you've got a problem with your beloved pet.

2140
01:36:49,532 --> 01:36:51,412
Speaker 3: He is the man to chat to. Oh, eight hundred

2141
01:36:51,532 --> 01:36:53,612
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you

2142
01:36:53,652 --> 01:36:56,612
Speaker 3: prefer to send your question via text, you can do that.

2143
01:36:56,732 --> 01:36:58,812
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the number. It is twenty

2144
01:36:58,893 --> 01:37:02,893
Speaker 3: nine past three.

2145
01:37:02,612 --> 01:37:06,572
Speaker 4: H's talk be headlines with blue Bubble Taxis. It's no

2146
01:37:06,692 --> 01:37:10,333
Speaker 4: trouble with the Blue Bubble. Health New Zealands confirmed eighteen

2147
01:37:10,452 --> 01:37:15,053
Speaker 4: hundred rolls will be impacted by a restructure. It's disestablishing

2148
01:37:15,093 --> 01:37:18,133
Speaker 4: four hundred and forty seven data and digital roles with

2149
01:37:18,253 --> 01:37:22,372
Speaker 4: potential for redeploying staff, and six hundred and ten rolls

2150
01:37:22,412 --> 01:37:26,333
Speaker 4: will be replaced with six hundred and fifty one new ones.

2151
01:37:26,772 --> 01:37:30,012
Speaker 4: Seven hundred and fifty eight vacant roles have also been culled.

2152
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:34,253
Speaker 4: A deal's been struck mant Rupe Who's Fucker Pappa ski

2153
01:37:34,253 --> 01:37:37,932
Speaker 4: Field will live on under new ownership, with Fucker Puppa

2154
01:37:37,973 --> 01:37:40,812
Speaker 4: Holding signing an agreement to operate the ski field for

2155
01:37:40,853 --> 01:37:44,612
Speaker 4: the next decade. Large parts of the country are subject

2156
01:37:44,652 --> 01:37:48,132
Speaker 4: to met Service weather watchers and warnings, with the strongest

2157
01:37:48,133 --> 01:37:51,133
Speaker 4: wins around Cook Strait gusting up to one hundred and

2158
01:37:51,133 --> 01:37:54,933
Speaker 4: thirty kilometers an hour. Aldor Mayor Wayne Brown says the

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Speaker 4: government needs to act on feedback on a visitor bed levy,

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Speaker 4: which has strong support from a clear majority of submissions.

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Speaker 4: Police and Corrections are investigating reports a Corrections Department uniform

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Speaker 4: has been sold on trey me. Impersonating prison staff is

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Speaker 4: against the law.

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Speaker 3: Why the key we.

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Speaker 4: Is so strong against the Aussie dollar. You can find

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Speaker 4: out from Inside Economics, cident zaid Herold Premium. Back now

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Speaker 4: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean So. Mark Vidi is

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Speaker 3: a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer and educator who

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Speaker 3: has been working with animals for over forty years. He's

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01:38:31,253 --> 01:38:34,812
Speaker 3: a trained animal psychologist and created the Dogs In Online

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01:38:34,853 --> 01:38:37,892
Speaker 3: training program. He's about to launch cat Zen and he

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01:38:37,973 --> 01:38:42,013
Speaker 3: joins us once a month for our USS the Experts series.

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Speaker 3: We're just going to get him back online. He's just

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Speaker 3: dropped off. But if you've got a question for Mark, oh,

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01:38:46,532 --> 01:38:49,133
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:38:49,452 --> 01:38:51,972
Speaker 3: He is an expert on everything, not just cats and dogs.

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Speaker 3: We had lamas last time he was on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Call about an EMU, one about a stoat. Yeah,

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01:38:59,492 --> 01:39:03,133
Speaker 2: so I've got an interesting question for him when we

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Speaker 2: get on. Well, not really, but I had this this morning.

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Speaker 2: I discovered that my dog as basically a musical instrument.

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Speaker 2: So he was lying in his bed and I put

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Speaker 2: my foot on him, and when I put a little

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01:39:12,532 --> 01:39:14,692
Speaker 2: bit of pressure, he'd make a noise, so I could

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01:39:14,732 --> 01:39:17,333
Speaker 2: play him like a bellows so Colin was.

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Speaker 3: Going, how long did you do that for ages?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like ages until to my partner told me to stop.

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Speaker 3: Did he have other notes as you moved up the abdomen.

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Speaker 2: No, he was just seriously, it was it was I

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Speaker 2: could take it on the road. Actually, people would pay.

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Speaker 3: It's like their barking dog down in Queenstown. You can

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01:39:39,372 --> 01:39:41,972
Speaker 3: be right next to him. Right. So we're just about

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Speaker 3: to get Mark VIDI on that O eight one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the numbers called.

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Speaker 2: Should we should we talk to Carol and get her.

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Speaker 2: We'll get get get your prep, get your prepped for

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Speaker 2: Mark when we get him back on.

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Speaker 3: Get a Carol her little Carol care go to there. Hello,

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Speaker 3: how are you good?

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Speaker 24: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: And what sort of pit do you have?

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Speaker 6: Well, I've got.

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Speaker 27: Two small dogs. One's for pure bread kind of short

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Speaker 27: head sorry, short legs, wire head deck Russell, and the

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Speaker 27: other one's a rescue but the kind of Jack Russell mixed.

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Speaker 27: And my partner has a large kind of hunting gun dog.

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Speaker 27: And when we first got the dogs together, it was okay.

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Speaker 27: You know, they were a little bit wary, but it

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Speaker 27: was okay. And then it seemed to be all right,

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Speaker 27: and then all of a sudden one day it went

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Speaker 27: very wrong and one of my little dogs kind of

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Speaker 27: nipped at the big one, and since then we just

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Speaker 27: have not been able to get them back together at all.

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Speaker 27: And I'm just terrified that one of my little dogs,

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Speaker 27: who is going.

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Speaker 17: To get right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a big question. I think we've got

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Speaker 3: mark the now Marre we go perfect.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear Carol's Did you hear Carol's? Okay, So Carol,

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Speaker 2: I'll try and summarize it. So, you've got a couple

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Speaker 2: of little dogs and your your your partner's got a

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Speaker 2: much bigger dog. They started getting on pretty well, but

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Speaker 2: now there's a bit of argie badgie and you're worried

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Speaker 2: that you're a little dogs might get attacked. Is that correct?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, well, not that the big dog aggressive, but it's

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01:41:15,013 --> 01:41:16,972
Speaker 27: just the kind of mix of the three of them.

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Speaker 27: And in fact, it was my little dog that kind

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Speaker 27: of nipped at the big dog initially. So and you know,

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Speaker 27: the bigger dog hadn't done anything at all, and he's

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Speaker 27: the lovely, lovely dog. They're all lovely dogs. But the

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01:41:29,253 --> 01:41:31,572
Speaker 27: problem is now he's the bigger dog. You know, he

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01:41:31,652 --> 01:41:37,293
Speaker 27: remembers and and I'm just really we're just struggling to

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Speaker 27: get them back together again.

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Speaker 6: What breeds other dogs?

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Speaker 27: So my two are one of them's a short legged

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01:41:45,133 --> 01:41:48,692
Speaker 27: wire head tech Russell and she's five. And then I've

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Speaker 27: got to kind of Jack Russell mixed, who's a rescue.

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Speaker 27: He's seven. He's the one that kind of nipped at

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Speaker 27: the bigger dog out of kind of fear, I think.

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Speaker 27: And then the bigger dog my partner's dog is like

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Speaker 27: her gun dog.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, And and is he a male? Is any

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01:42:07,253 --> 01:42:08,213
Speaker 6: of the dogs in tire?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, the two, the bigger dog and the one

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01:42:13,293 --> 01:42:18,693
Speaker 27: that net on males and the little Jack Russell's a female, right.

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Speaker 6: So it's going to be the males that are more

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Speaker 6: likely going to have the issue, And that's probably what's happening.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like the Jack Russell's being a bit of

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Speaker 6: a Jack Russell and you know, just a little bit

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Speaker 6: dominant and being entire. The two males being entire will

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01:42:32,652 --> 01:42:34,613
Speaker 6: make it the problem more complicated.

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Speaker 27: They're not entire, Sorry, they're not.

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Speaker 6: They're not entire no, okay, so they're both desects. Okay,

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Speaker 6: Well that that helps. Yeah, So I mean, basically, what

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Speaker 6: we're really wanted to do with the particularly with the

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01:42:48,372 --> 01:42:50,772
Speaker 6: Jack Russell, the seven year old, the one that's kind

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Speaker 6: of initiating what I suspects happening, is the typical kind

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Speaker 6: of terrier. You know, in situations where he's feeling slightly challenged,

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01:42:59,612 --> 01:43:01,732
Speaker 6: you know, he's standing up for himself, which is that

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Speaker 6: aerier temperament, what we call gaminess within the terriers. And

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Speaker 6: so one of the important things to do time they

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Speaker 6: come back together, just in the initial stage, is do

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Speaker 6: what I call the doggy handshake. And so dogs meet

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01:43:15,213 --> 01:43:18,213
Speaker 6: in different ways than the humans, and so what we

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Speaker 6: want to do is we want to start by allowing

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Speaker 6: the big dog to him to sniff the big dog

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01:43:24,053 --> 01:43:27,253
Speaker 6: around the rear end, under the tail, under the groin,

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Speaker 6: and then turn him round and get the other one

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Speaker 6: to meet him by sniffing and on. What I would

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Speaker 6: do is get them both on the clicker and click

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01:43:36,652 --> 01:43:40,293
Speaker 6: on the reward them for social responses. So each time,

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01:43:40,452 --> 01:43:42,932
Speaker 6: particularly when they come together, and particularly when they're hyper

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01:43:42,933 --> 01:43:46,133
Speaker 6: aroused and those because that's when it's more than likely

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Speaker 6: going to happen. Maybe someone's come to the door, or

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Speaker 6: something's happening or they've just first met and having not

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Speaker 6: seen each other for a few hours or something. That's

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01:43:55,412 --> 01:43:59,252
Speaker 6: normally the time it happens for over resources that they're guarding.

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01:43:59,732 --> 01:44:03,892
Speaker 6: So do eat and greet technique. You can always check

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01:44:03,893 --> 01:44:07,572
Speaker 6: out the technique for meet and greet and it's in

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01:44:07,612 --> 01:44:10,412
Speaker 6: the book and then the online videos if you want

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01:44:10,452 --> 01:44:12,692
Speaker 6: to follow it that way. But basically, what you're doing

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01:44:12,772 --> 01:44:15,692
Speaker 6: is you're getting getting to smell the pheromones of the

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01:44:15,732 --> 01:44:19,093
Speaker 6: other dog, and the dogs have appeasing pheromones and they're

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Speaker 6: calming pheromones, and so if you don't go through that

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01:44:22,213 --> 01:44:27,372
Speaker 6: initial sniffing that you want to orchestrate, then normally they're

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01:44:27,372 --> 01:44:29,692
Speaker 6: not really they go to head to head and it's

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01:44:29,692 --> 01:44:33,092
Speaker 6: a much more dominant interaction, So always try and start

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Speaker 6: with a sniff from each end, allowing both dogs to

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01:44:36,213 --> 01:44:38,692
Speaker 6: sniff whichever one seems to want to let the other

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01:44:38,732 --> 01:44:42,173
Speaker 6: one sniff first. Then do that and don't go head

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01:44:42,173 --> 01:44:45,333
Speaker 6: to head than those situations. Be careful of high arousal

2294
01:44:45,412 --> 01:44:49,372
Speaker 6: situations whenever one's pumped and worked up because the adrenaline high,

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01:44:49,772 --> 01:44:52,772
Speaker 6: they're more likely to fight in that situation. They're doing

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01:44:52,853 --> 01:44:55,093
Speaker 6: regular meet and greets like that, so they get to

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01:44:55,133 --> 01:44:58,213
Speaker 6: know each other and get on better. I'd also be

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01:44:58,293 --> 01:45:00,412
Speaker 6: doing some one called clip station work, where I teach

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01:45:00,412 --> 01:45:04,213
Speaker 6: them to clip down on a mat together and click

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01:45:04,213 --> 01:45:08,892
Speaker 6: and reward them for meeting each other regularly clicking one

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01:45:09,213 --> 01:45:12,013
Speaker 6: and feeding and clicking the other and feeding, as long

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01:45:12,013 --> 01:45:14,852
Speaker 6: as they're staying together and being social and friendly. So

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01:45:14,933 --> 01:45:17,652
Speaker 6: you've got to build that social relationship between those two

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01:45:18,093 --> 01:45:21,213
Speaker 6: two males, and particularly of the Jack Russell, who, as

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01:45:21,213 --> 01:45:23,933
Speaker 6: you said, is clearly being a little bit terrier like.

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Speaker 6: So he's the focus a clicker training with him.

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Speaker 2: Think if you call Carol Tyler, are you and Tyre?

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Speaker 3: I am absolutely entire Yeah. Do you want to say

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Speaker 3: that he does.

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Speaker 6: Around?

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01:45:39,093 --> 01:45:39,293
Speaker 12: Yeah?

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01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:40,452
Speaker 3: Sorry, Mark to bring you into that.

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01:45:40,612 --> 01:45:43,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to know you know.

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01:45:43,532 --> 01:45:45,012
Speaker 6: Where to slip now, an't you boys?

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01:45:45,572 --> 01:45:49,572
Speaker 3: Exactly? Mark? Good to have you on the line. So

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01:45:49,572 --> 01:45:51,572
Speaker 3: if you just hold there, We've got plenty of other

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01:45:51,612 --> 01:45:53,213
Speaker 3: calls to get to. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

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01:45:53,213 --> 01:45:55,972
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you've got a question for Mark, it

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01:45:56,093 --> 01:45:57,812
Speaker 3: is nineteen to four.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

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01:46:05,053 --> 01:46:06,972
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

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01:46:06,973 --> 01:46:10,173
Speaker 3: They'd be good noon. We've got Mark Vetti with us.

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01:46:10,173 --> 01:46:13,132
Speaker 3: He is a world renowned animal behaviorist and an expert

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Speaker 3: when it comes to animals. He's been working with them

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01:46:15,652 --> 01:46:18,213
Speaker 3: for over forty years and he is here to answer

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01:46:18,253 --> 01:46:20,973
Speaker 3: any burning questions you've got about your beloved pets.

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Speaker 2: And Joanna, you've got a dog that's doing a little

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01:46:24,173 --> 01:46:25,212
Speaker 2: bit of wheeze inside.

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Speaker 14: I understand, Thanks, Susan, actually, but that's okay.

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01:46:29,053 --> 01:46:31,372
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we've got Joanna here for some reason. But

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01:46:31,412 --> 01:46:34,253
Speaker 3: that's right. So Susan, you've got a dog that whees inside.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: So he's about ten years old and it's been going

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01:46:38,612 --> 01:46:42,053
Speaker 24: on for a long time and it's always in a

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01:46:42,093 --> 01:46:45,612
Speaker 24: bedroom and when he's left at home on his own.

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01:46:47,333 --> 01:46:50,093
Speaker 6: Right and he has he has he had a period

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01:46:50,093 --> 01:46:53,013
Speaker 6: of being house trained well and he's fallen back or

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01:46:53,133 --> 01:46:55,732
Speaker 6: is he has been going on since.

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Speaker 24: He's normally he's normal. So interesting story. So we had

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01:47:02,492 --> 01:47:05,013
Speaker 24: him for a year and then he disappeared for two

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01:47:05,093 --> 01:47:08,973
Speaker 24: years and he was microchip and the and where he

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01:47:09,173 --> 01:47:11,133
Speaker 24: wrung us up and said we've got your dog and

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01:47:11,173 --> 01:47:12,932
Speaker 24: we said we haven't got a dog, and they said

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01:47:13,372 --> 01:47:17,012
Speaker 24: we're found stubby. So he disappeared for two years and

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01:47:17,093 --> 01:47:20,213
Speaker 24: he came back, and it's hard to know, you know,

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01:47:20,253 --> 01:47:22,732
Speaker 24: whether he was traumatized or not. And we certainly don't

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01:47:22,772 --> 01:47:24,852
Speaker 24: know where we went, even though I have asked him,

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01:47:25,253 --> 01:47:31,612
Speaker 24: and so it's yeah, we just where okay.

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01:47:31,612 --> 01:47:33,532
Speaker 6: And it just started after that said it.

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01:47:34,933 --> 01:47:37,053
Speaker 24: Yeah, pretty much, I think it.

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01:47:37,133 --> 01:47:37,492
Speaker 27: Did you know?

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01:47:37,572 --> 01:47:38,532
Speaker 6: That was quite a while ago.

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01:47:38,612 --> 01:47:40,852
Speaker 24: That was like, you know, like seven years ago.

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01:47:40,973 --> 01:47:46,173
Speaker 6: So yeah, longo is he is he entire? Is he

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01:47:46,293 --> 01:47:46,932
Speaker 6: being d sex?

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01:47:47,973 --> 01:47:48,173
Speaker 10: Yes?

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01:47:49,973 --> 01:47:51,412
Speaker 3: There was a years of your miss netmark.

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01:47:51,612 --> 01:47:54,213
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, he's been d sex. Do you remember what

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01:47:54,293 --> 01:47:55,532
Speaker 6: age he was d sex there?

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01:47:58,812 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 24: Probably in his first year?

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01:48:01,532 --> 01:48:05,132
Speaker 6: Okay? Quite really? So is it now? Right? So normally

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01:48:05,333 --> 01:48:07,732
Speaker 6: the most common is he lifting his leg on things?

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01:48:07,853 --> 01:48:09,213
Speaker 6: Or is he just being on the ground?

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01:48:11,173 --> 01:48:12,052
Speaker 24: I lift this lead?

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01:48:13,213 --> 01:48:15,652
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so I suspect he just started doing that

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01:48:15,692 --> 01:48:19,133
Speaker 6: when he was entire. That's what we call maturation or

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01:48:19,213 --> 01:48:22,892
Speaker 6: leg raising and marking. And it's typical that they'll find

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01:48:23,013 --> 01:48:25,852
Speaker 6: scent posts, you know, and that's what he's done here

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01:48:25,893 --> 01:48:29,013
Speaker 6: in the bedroom to established the scent post there. So

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Speaker 6: what I want, first of all, generally I keep doors

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Speaker 6: closed a long way away from the central then areas

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01:48:35,772 --> 01:48:37,973
Speaker 6: you know, where you spend most of your time. It

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01:48:38,133 --> 01:48:41,532
Speaker 6: tends to me in back rooms or downstairs and areas

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01:48:41,572 --> 01:48:44,932
Speaker 6: like that that he does it. So it's a person

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01:48:45,612 --> 01:48:48,213
Speaker 6: clean that site with one quarter of white vineggar three

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01:48:48,293 --> 01:48:52,692
Speaker 6: quarters water and generally exclude him from it. But if

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01:48:52,692 --> 01:48:54,973
Speaker 6: you're finding that, if you can't do that, then what

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01:48:55,013 --> 01:48:57,572
Speaker 6: I do is a different technique. Is I clip station them.

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01:48:57,812 --> 01:48:59,412
Speaker 6: So I teach him to go on a clip station

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01:48:59,492 --> 01:49:02,973
Speaker 6: a short lead and as part of his training, and

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01:49:02,973 --> 01:49:05,932
Speaker 6: then I clip station them to the site where he marks.

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01:49:06,213 --> 01:49:08,293
Speaker 6: He won't mark on the site for his sleep there.

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01:49:09,013 --> 01:49:11,652
Speaker 6: I established that of the sleeping site for a little while,

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01:49:11,933 --> 01:49:14,293
Speaker 6: just for like half an hour at a time, you know,

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01:49:14,412 --> 01:49:16,772
Speaker 6: and he goes, he gets clipped up down there, and

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01:49:17,612 --> 01:49:21,372
Speaker 6: that'll decrease the chance of the marking in that area.

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01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:24,732
Speaker 6: So I'd use those two techniques. He's an older dog,

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01:49:24,853 --> 01:49:26,532
Speaker 6: so it get tends to get a little bit worse

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01:49:26,612 --> 01:49:29,173
Speaker 6: as they get older. So that's probably what you're seeing

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01:49:29,213 --> 01:49:31,492
Speaker 6: as well. And of course if you had some kind

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01:49:31,532 --> 01:49:35,093
Speaker 6: of trauma during that time away, that can also make

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01:49:35,133 --> 01:49:39,053
Speaker 6: it worse, obviously, So try that technique in the men

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01:49:39,133 --> 01:49:42,652
Speaker 6: time and if it's more complicated, you can always can

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01:49:42,732 --> 01:49:45,013
Speaker 6: me call and I'll do a phone concert with you

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01:49:45,053 --> 01:49:48,333
Speaker 6: and I can take more detail. Sometimes I need more

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01:49:48,372 --> 01:49:50,772
Speaker 6: detail than that to be able to really fine tune

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01:49:50,772 --> 01:49:51,532
Speaker 6: a therapy plan.

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Speaker 3: Yep, very good, All the best, Susan A Mike.

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01:49:54,853 --> 01:49:56,932
Speaker 2: I've got a text here. My cat, who's still young

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01:49:57,812 --> 01:50:01,133
Speaker 2: listener year, always takes a crap in the bar, litle

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01:50:01,133 --> 01:50:04,972
Speaker 2: box and both bathrooms and access outside at wits end.

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01:50:05,412 --> 01:50:08,572
Speaker 2: As also have three young kids. Cat will be re

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01:50:08,652 --> 01:50:11,492
Speaker 2: homed if we can't sort the situation out. I'm not

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01:50:11,492 --> 01:50:13,012
Speaker 2: sure if the three kids are going in the bath

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01:50:13,013 --> 01:50:13,812
Speaker 2: as well or not.

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01:50:15,572 --> 01:50:19,732
Speaker 6: The kids. Okay, it's not uncommon first of all that

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01:50:19,893 --> 01:50:24,372
Speaker 6: cats who go in bath and thinks, surprisingly enough, you

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01:50:24,412 --> 01:50:26,173
Speaker 6: can't actually teach your cat to go on a toilet,

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01:50:26,213 --> 01:50:30,293
Speaker 6: but who won't go into that today? So what we

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01:50:30,372 --> 01:50:33,213
Speaker 6: need to re establish is, first of all, is I

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01:50:33,333 --> 01:50:36,612
Speaker 6: normally move the little box out and presume the litter

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01:50:36,612 --> 01:50:40,533
Speaker 6: boxes in that area, and normally people put them in bathrooms.

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01:50:40,893 --> 01:50:43,093
Speaker 6: So if it's if it's at all possible, close the

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01:50:43,213 --> 01:50:48,772
Speaker 6: bathroom off, systematically, move the litter box to another room nearby,

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01:50:49,572 --> 01:50:52,173
Speaker 6: and re establish himself in a room with no bar

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01:50:52,372 --> 01:50:55,532
Speaker 6: in it because of that bath here beside the litter box.

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01:50:55,812 --> 01:50:57,532
Speaker 6: He goes in there. He knows he wants to go,

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01:50:57,893 --> 01:51:01,092
Speaker 6: and he's making a choice, particularly if the letter box

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01:51:01,173 --> 01:51:03,652
Speaker 6: isn't clean, you know, if there's a little yeurine offiece

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01:51:03,652 --> 01:51:06,372
Speaker 6: he's in there, then often he'll decide I'll go and

2422
01:51:06,812 --> 01:51:10,053
Speaker 6: I'll jump in the bath. So number one, keep the

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01:51:10,093 --> 01:51:13,012
Speaker 6: little box clean, and that can make all the difference.

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01:51:13,053 --> 01:51:15,213
Speaker 6: So that'd be the first step. The second step is

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01:51:15,213 --> 01:51:18,572
Speaker 6: systematically moving into say the toilet next door or another

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01:51:18,652 --> 01:51:24,093
Speaker 6: room just nearby it's suitable, and close that bathroom so

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01:51:24,133 --> 01:51:27,173
Speaker 6: he doesn't have access into that for the next four

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01:51:27,213 --> 01:51:30,293
Speaker 6: to six weeks, and that he re established himself in

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01:51:30,333 --> 01:51:33,412
Speaker 6: that area, and then he shouldn't go if he doesn't

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01:51:33,452 --> 01:51:34,492
Speaker 6: have the bath beside him.

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01:51:34,612 --> 01:51:35,412
Speaker 2: YEA, very sure.

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01:51:35,412 --> 01:51:37,452
Speaker 6: You keep that little box clean, though diet cats are

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01:51:37,612 --> 01:51:40,612
Speaker 6: very fussy about the little boxes. Sometimes I'll have two

2434
01:51:40,692 --> 01:51:43,812
Speaker 6: letter boxes if I need to, And that might be

2435
01:51:43,853 --> 01:51:46,293
Speaker 6: another good idea have a second little box and there

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01:51:46,293 --> 01:51:47,412
Speaker 6: and I use that instead.

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01:51:47,652 --> 01:51:50,892
Speaker 3: That is great. Good luck, dear text. We'll get Ross

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01:51:50,933 --> 01:51:54,612
Speaker 3: and before the break Ross, we've got about two minutes.

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01:51:54,612 --> 01:51:55,253
Speaker 3: But you're on with.

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01:51:55,173 --> 01:52:01,213
Speaker 8: Mark, right, Mark, we've got a minister. Now though she

2441
01:52:01,293 --> 01:52:04,412
Speaker 8: gets it very vocal when someone to approach her, she

2442
01:52:04,492 --> 01:52:09,932
Speaker 8: doesn't know or sometimes does know great where she gets

2443
01:52:09,973 --> 01:52:10,733
Speaker 8: that embarrassing.

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01:52:11,532 --> 01:52:14,253
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I teach you know, it will go back

2445
01:52:14,293 --> 01:52:16,932
Speaker 6: to early socializations and the way you meet and greeted

2446
01:52:16,973 --> 01:52:20,172
Speaker 6: people in her early developmental period two to four months

2447
01:52:20,572 --> 01:52:24,173
Speaker 6: and or whoever did that period. So now we go.

2448
01:52:24,492 --> 01:52:26,133
Speaker 6: Now we need to teach her a new meet and

2449
01:52:26,133 --> 01:52:29,053
Speaker 6: greet technique. So I use clicker training for that, and

2450
01:52:29,093 --> 01:52:33,412
Speaker 6: I teach her through click and reward to touch target

2451
01:52:33,492 --> 01:52:38,053
Speaker 6: the visitor's hand, and we do formal meet and greek technique.

2452
01:52:38,452 --> 01:52:42,692
Speaker 6: And so it's a click of training switches into learning state.

2453
01:52:43,013 --> 01:52:46,652
Speaker 6: Click on rewards is for suitable behavior, appropriate behavior, non

2454
01:52:46,732 --> 01:52:50,012
Speaker 6: vocal behavior, and then we can start to reshape her

2455
01:52:50,053 --> 01:52:52,253
Speaker 6: meet and greet. But it's got to be done formally

2456
01:52:52,333 --> 01:52:55,492
Speaker 6: like that. It doesn't take too much effort. If you

2457
01:52:55,572 --> 01:52:57,612
Speaker 6: need to check it out and jump on my website

2458
01:52:57,652 --> 01:52:59,812
Speaker 6: and you'll see the videos on how to do that,

2459
01:53:00,213 --> 01:53:03,173
Speaker 6: and that'll that's the technique that I always use in

2460
01:53:03,173 --> 01:53:05,892
Speaker 6: that situation. They can be a little bit of a

2461
01:53:06,213 --> 01:53:10,452
Speaker 6: kind of a single person, you know, the snousers and

2462
01:53:10,492 --> 01:53:13,772
Speaker 6: as a little bit attached, she needs to broaden her

2463
01:53:13,812 --> 01:53:17,053
Speaker 6: socialization now and using that meet and Greek will do that.

2464
01:53:18,293 --> 01:53:21,213
Speaker 8: Okay, so meet and greet online, Okay.

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01:53:21,532 --> 01:53:24,253
Speaker 6: Yeah, just jump on to Mark billingdogs in dot com

2466
01:53:24,293 --> 01:53:27,693
Speaker 6: and it's got a video videos on meet and greet people.

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01:53:27,772 --> 01:53:28,652
Speaker 3: All the best for us.

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01:53:28,973 --> 01:53:29,532
Speaker 2: Text to here.

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01:53:29,572 --> 01:53:32,933
Speaker 3: Mark says, Hi, we have adopted an ex bomb to

2470
01:53:33,053 --> 01:53:35,333
Speaker 3: take dog. He is six years old. Is great, but

2471
01:53:35,372 --> 01:53:37,652
Speaker 3: he has no skills at all, apart from detecting bombs.

2472
01:53:37,692 --> 01:53:39,572
Speaker 3: Of course, when it comes to other dogs. We are

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01:53:39,612 --> 01:53:43,692
Speaker 3: wondering if he goes to dog daycare, will that help him?

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01:53:43,772 --> 01:53:47,852
Speaker 6: Yeah, So normally bomb detection dogs normally grow up in

2475
01:53:47,893 --> 01:53:51,813
Speaker 6: a pretty cool situation. You know, they're normally will socialized

2476
01:53:51,853 --> 01:53:54,853
Speaker 6: with our dogs. Soll be surprised that he's not socialized.

2477
01:53:55,013 --> 01:53:57,333
Speaker 6: Although the fact that they've got him means that he

2478
01:53:57,412 --> 01:53:59,093
Speaker 6: might have been a foul dog and that might be

2479
01:53:59,173 --> 01:54:04,812
Speaker 6: an issue dog dog aggression. So normally that that technique

2480
01:54:04,853 --> 01:54:08,092
Speaker 6: I just mentioned the meat and greet humans. I mentioned

2481
01:54:08,093 --> 01:54:10,692
Speaker 6: it for the dog. Dog Meet and greet is different,

2482
01:54:11,253 --> 01:54:15,333
Speaker 6: and so he needs to learn to meet and greets.

2483
01:54:15,372 --> 01:54:18,572
Speaker 6: Meet to meet and greet dogs in the appropriate fashion. Again,

2484
01:54:18,612 --> 01:54:22,253
Speaker 6: I use clicker training for that. And so if he's

2485
01:54:22,333 --> 01:54:26,053
Speaker 6: not too bad and is generally reasonably social, then yes,

2486
01:54:26,133 --> 01:54:28,333
Speaker 6: doggie day Q would be good for him. But if

2487
01:54:28,333 --> 01:54:30,333
Speaker 6: he's not that good, and then they're going to need

2488
01:54:30,372 --> 01:54:34,733
Speaker 6: to do a little bit of desentitization work and that

2489
01:54:34,893 --> 01:54:37,613
Speaker 6: doggy meet and greet is the technique I teach. So

2490
01:54:37,772 --> 01:54:40,293
Speaker 6: you can again, you can learn that. Both video very good.

2491
01:54:40,333 --> 01:54:42,133
Speaker 6: They'll make contact with us and we'll show you how

2492
01:54:42,213 --> 01:54:42,533
Speaker 6: to do it.

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01:54:42,653 --> 01:54:45,173
Speaker 3: Brilliant, Mark, we're out of time once again. We could

2494
01:54:45,213 --> 01:54:47,293
Speaker 3: do this for our the whole show, but thank you

2495
01:54:47,413 --> 01:54:49,293
Speaker 3: very much for your time again, and we'll catch you

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01:54:49,293 --> 01:54:50,493
Speaker 3: again in a few weeks.

2497
01:54:51,293 --> 01:54:54,053
Speaker 6: My pleasant made talking next to the next time.

2498
01:54:54,133 --> 01:54:56,253
Speaker 3: Yep, we'll talk there. And that is Mark Vitty, world

2499
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Speaker 3: renowned animal behaviorist. If you want to find out more,

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Speaker 3: you can go to his website. It is Mark Vitty

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