1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Giuda. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. From geopolitical 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: friction and climate chaos to a cost of living crisis 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: and consequences for a hukker heard around the world. 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five has been a huge year for news. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Trump's return to the White House, sparks, trade wars, artificial 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: intelligence is getting well more intelligent, and we're rounding out 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: the year with no end in sight for wars in 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: Ukraine and Gaza. There's a lot to un pack for 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: our final episode of the year, and who better to 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: join me for a breakdown than two people behind the 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: scenes of every episode you listen to or watch every day. 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: Today on the Front Page, our producers, Richard Martin and Jane. 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: Yee are here to wrap up the year that what. 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: So. 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Tom Phillips died after a shootout with. 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: Police in September after one thousand, three hundred and fifty 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: eight days in the bush with his children. It was devastating. 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: It was a devastating end to a massive, near four 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: year long saga, but thankfully all three children were found. 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: There's an inquiry underway at the moment Jane. A whole 23 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: lot of questions remain about how he was even able 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: to evade police at the time with his three children 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: for so long. What do you make of these whole events. 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 5: It was a really interesting experience for me, being relatively 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 5: new to the newsroom and that breaking in the morning 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 5: and us sort of going, hey, lets it down to 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 5: pure and see what's going on. 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: It was a longer drive than we imagine. We got 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: down there and it was kind of it was just 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: quite a weird vibe. I found. It was a lot 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: quieter than I expected. 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 5: I expected a lot of locals, a lot of police present, 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 5: none of that. It was just like PGG writes, and 36 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 5: was shut and there was some tape across the front door, 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 5: and that was that. 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: It was very very quiet, and it. 39 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 5: Seemed really in contrast to all the fervor of the 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 5: coverage that was going on and had been going on, 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 5: you know, throughout this time. But it's also, you know, 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 5: a strange story, because they'd be a sighting and then 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 5: there'd be a story, and then it would go quiet 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 5: for such a long time, and I guess in the 45 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 5: public you just sort of you forget about it until 46 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: it's in your in your face again and when you 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 5: read out how many days they were in the bush, 48 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 5: it's quite astounding. 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. It was four years nearly. 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 6: Being there in the small town, you get the sense 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 6: that there was just this relief that it was over, 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: and like because we went into stores to talk to 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 6: people about it, and like no one really wanted to 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 6: say anything, because it's like the nature of it is that, like, 55 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 6: you know, there's not much else going on down there 56 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 6: for the last four years, and like I'm sure there 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 6: were seck of journalists and reporters and everything showing our 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 6: basketing quis about this thing. Also for so long, it's like, well, 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 6: I've got nothing else to say about it because we 60 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 6: don't know anything. And now that the story like finally 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 6: came to a close, I just yet got the sense 62 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 6: that there was just relief that they weren't going to 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 6: be bothered anymore about us. 64 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 5: But also, I mean, the questions remain around if he 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 5: was helped. We can only we can only speculate until 66 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 5: you know, more information comes to light. 67 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: Which could be along you know, a really a few time. 68 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 5: If ever, certainly we know there are details that will 69 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: be likely to be suppressed and we may never know, 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 5: you know, so it's hard to you know, we're going 71 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 5: down there and applying our lens of what we read 72 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: the situation to be, but really unless those details come 73 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 5: to light, we don't actually know. 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 6: How was it for you because that was your first time, Chelsea, 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 6: going down there, and you know, this is a story 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 6: that you've covered a lot closely than the two of us, 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 6: and the four years that he's been missing. 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think after four years, I kind of, you know, 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: I would always when there would be a sighting or something, 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: I would do crosses with ABC Australia and other Australian 81 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: outfits and UK outfits about this story because the rest 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: of the world really could not understand how he was 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: gone with his three kids for so long. And I 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: remember the day actually that it came out that he 85 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: was allegedly involved in an aggravated robbery and I nearly 86 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: fell off my chair because it's like, A it was 87 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: a new sighting of him, and B what do you 88 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: mean an aggravated robbery and that CCTV footage coming out 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: as well. I also remember distinctly the moment that they 90 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: were all seen by Peak Hunters together and that was 91 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: the first time that the mother had seen all of 92 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: her three children together, and the relief versus how scared 93 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: she was for their safety but also relieved that they 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: were still a lyve. That was a huge moment I 95 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 2: think as well of that story. So thankfully they all 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: were found by police as well in the end. Another 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: massive story this year, a huge blow for the New 98 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: Zealand Police after a damning report into Jevin mcskimming, a 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: former deputy police commissioner. Allegations from a woman were seen 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: to be ignored are The report said ambitions of a 101 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: senior police. 102 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: Officer were put above the interests of a vulnerable woman. 103 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: During the course of this investigation, of course, detectives found 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: child exploitation material and beastiality on his work devices. 105 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: How do you think police. 106 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: Handled this, Jane, and how do you think they handled 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: it in the aftermath as well. 108 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 5: I can only come at it purely from a public 109 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 5: perception point of view because I'm not an expert in 110 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 5: this area. But distrust that something like this puts in 111 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 5: the police I think can't be overstated. 112 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 4: Like it it is a huge As you say, it's. 113 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 5: Difficult to know how you pr something I did notice 114 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 5: a lot of the rhetoric was around you know, let 115 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: this not detract from the fifteen thousand men and women 116 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 5: who are hard at work every day. And yes, while 117 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 5: that is true, I think you also have to very 118 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 5: much face hit on the fact that you know, this 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 5: was a shocking event, it was a scandal, It wonn't 120 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 5: handlebell And I'm kind of curious to see if there's 121 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 5: going to be some more threads that come out of this. 122 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 5: It feels inevitable there there will be. 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because this hasn't happened. 124 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: You know, this isn't the first time something like this 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: has happened with the police, Hey Richard. 126 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean totally. 127 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 6: And it's like, it is interesting to see how they 128 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 6: spend it each time, because I think that, like if 129 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 6: you watch the press conferences and everything that they've been 130 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 6: doing about it, they you know, you could say that 131 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 6: they've actually done a pretty good job of being like, yeah, 132 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 6: this was messed up, and you know that we've we've 133 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 6: dealt with it, we got rid of them, They've done 134 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 6: all this stuff. But then more and more that comes 135 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 6: out about the reports about how you know, the complainant 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 6: was prosecuted for harassment and all these things, and that 137 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, it's seeing the inner workings that it's like, oh, 138 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,119 Speaker 6: this wasn't handled very well. And it's just there's always 139 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 6: a thing about like the fact that this guy felt 140 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 6: comfortable enough to access this sort of material on his work. 141 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: Computer must have felt like quite invincible. 142 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: Heye, totally. 143 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 6: And it just shows and like this happens every time, 144 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 6: like so often when like you're a powerful man like 145 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 6: this is found to be doing something that like it 146 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 6: speaks to a culture of like how did you think 147 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 6: this was okay? 148 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: How did you get away with this? 149 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 6: What does it say about the wider culture that you 150 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 6: weren't worried about this? 151 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 5: What's just truly out the gate for me is the 152 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 5: idea that you know, very very shocking, the you know, 153 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: the kind of stuff that he had on his on 154 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 5: his computer was on the cloud wear river that he 155 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 5: had been EXI saying through work wild to think that 156 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 5: their investigation that really really nearly didn't happen, the internal investigation, 157 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 5: if they hadn't happened, none of this, none of that 158 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 5: would have come out either. So you know, there's various 159 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 5: layers and levels here, and it's kind of not good 160 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 5: for anyone. 161 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: It's just not well. Another massive scandal this year. 162 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: Green Party MP and New Zealand's first non binary MP, 163 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: Benjamin Doyle, came into controversy this year when their private 164 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Instagram account at Bible Belt Bossy Bussy Bussy was exposed 165 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: featuring the phrase bussy galore, captioning a slideshow that included 166 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: a photo of their child. Now this blew up online. 167 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: Winston Peters called them out online a triggered hate, including 168 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: death threats towards their family, their child, and they resigned 169 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: in September. 170 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: First off, I mean, what do you make of this? 171 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: And did you know the term bussy before any of 172 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: this came out? 173 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: Because I did not. 174 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 6: I had heard the term, But yeah, it is. There's 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 6: one side of this that it's just there's a very 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 6: strange world that we live in that you're hearing, like 177 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 6: Winston Peter's demanding explanations for what bussy is and things 178 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 6: like that, and so Benjamin Doyle having to come out 179 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 6: and do these press conferences explaining that bussy Galore is 180 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 6: a play on the pussy glore, the bond girl, and 181 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 6: that that's sort of an alter ego that they had 182 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 6: and all these things that it's like, it does sound ridiculous, 183 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 6: and I don't. 184 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: Sounds ridiculous in retrospect, and. 185 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: It felt ridiculous at the time. 186 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 6: I don't think that Benjamin Doyle as any kind of 187 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 6: pervert or anything like that. 188 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 5: There's certainly no evidence to that effect. Truthfully, it shows 189 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 5: to me just a generation to divide. Peter's trying to 190 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 5: figure out the Internet and like getting it wrong. But 191 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 5: they're being quite full on cons aequaenceance for an individual totally. 192 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 6: But then at the same time, there is the thing 193 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 6: of like when you're a politician, when you're entering the 194 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 6: public eye, you do have to like go through your 195 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 6: social media. Like it's just a fact of the day 196 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 6: and age we live in that you have to go 197 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 6: through a social media the prefind to promit. 198 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 5: There's also you know, I think about like my kids 199 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 5: in the way that they talk, perhaps some of the 200 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 5: young people in the office here, I think none of us, 201 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 5: none of us could be politicians if this is the 202 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 5: standard pint which we have to live because of the 203 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: amount of just stuff you say that is just in 204 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 5: the modern day vernacular, they're you know, out of context. 205 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 5: I'm I'm not defending anything that is legitimately offensive. But 206 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 5: you know, there's also this argument around Benjamin Doyle being 207 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 5: part of a certain community where the language is used 208 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 5: in a different way, and it's an internal kind of 209 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 5: understanding between people that like those outside of that community. 210 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 5: Particularly someone like Winston Peter's is just not going. 211 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: To get a big one in New Zealand politics this year. 212 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Treaty principle spill. Obviously the huk 213 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: I heard around the world late last year, and then 214 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: this year several MPs that Awdiytt, Debbie Nadowapaka and were 215 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: suspended for twenty one days each MP Clark seven days. Previously, 216 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: the longest suspension for an MP had been three days, 217 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: and that was given to former Prime Minister Robert Muldoon 218 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 2: for criticizing the speaker. That was back in the eighties. 219 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: Do you think that twenty one days was far too harsh? 220 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think we're all in a creementer. 221 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 5: I just don't see how you can objectively say something 222 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 5: seven times. 223 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of history. 224 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: Seven times the previous record, it seems. 225 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 5: A lot, and that the previous record was so long 226 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 5: ago as well, like it's really no one done anything 227 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 5: bad in parliament that is kind of you know, deserving 228 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 5: of a suspension for sitting. 229 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 3: You know, do you reckon the do you reckon? 230 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: The worldwide press of the Harker heard around the world 231 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: prompted such a severe warning or severe suspension. 232 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it did. 233 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 6: But like it's interesting though, because like so much of 234 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 6: the response to I mean, I guess, you know, my 235 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 6: social media algorithms are different from other people's, but like 236 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 6: the things I was saying were all like, oh my god, 237 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 6: this is so cool. You know, Native New Zealanders are 238 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 6: like willing to stand up for this. But you know, 239 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 6: I'm sure there were people ar go on the other side, 240 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 6: but I think yet that there were a lot of 241 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 6: eyes on that. And what was the response to it 242 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 6: going to be? I think twenty one days? And so 243 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 6: the fact that it's seven times the previous record is insane. 244 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 6: But there's a lot of that sort of parliamentary stuff, 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 6: like because occasionally, you know, in the newsroom, we will 246 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 6: just have Parliament TV on in the background sometimesing and 247 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 6: you watch it and you actually sit down and watch it, 248 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 6: and there's a lot of like very sort of old 249 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 6: fashion and like the way that the amount of power 250 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 6: that the speaker holds, and like things like just insulting 251 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 6: the speaker can get you kicked out for three days 252 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 6: in the eighties. Is like, there's a lot of these 253 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 6: stuff that. Again, you know, you've said that we couldn't 254 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 6: be politicians, but I don't think i'd want to be, 255 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 6: to be. 256 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: Honest, No, it sounds pretty it sounds pretty full on 257 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 4: the I think, you know, when we went to. 258 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 5: The Privileges Committee and came you know, there's an argument 259 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 5: should the Privileges Committee be independent rather than parliamentary driven. 260 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 5: It feels to me back to your question about you know, 261 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 5: the global attention that was on this, again hard to 262 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: say is a fact, but the sense to me is 263 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 5: that like it was highly embarrassing, you know, it was 264 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 5: highly embarrassing for the speaker, you know, making a mockery 265 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 5: of the parliamentary process and so on, and therefore this 266 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 5: was the appropriate punishment. I tend to disagree. But the 267 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 5: other interesting thing was there was also a lot of 268 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: chat around. You know, they could have had a shorter 269 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 5: suspension had they apologized, and apparently it was just near 270 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 5: They were never asked to apologize. It was never suggested 271 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 5: in the Privileges Committee. 272 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: Report that they should apologize. 273 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: So again you've got to kind of weed away at 274 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 5: all the details and just see exactly what it is 275 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 5: that's going on. 276 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: And this year, obviously, we saw US President Donald Trump 277 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: push aggressive tariffs, sparking trade wars and an America first mindset. 278 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: All the while he ordered slashes to federal spending through DOGE, 279 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: which is something that I just wanted to say, it's 280 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: so weird to think. He also exited the Paris Agreement, 281 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: wanted to take over Greenland, and backed his health secretary 282 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: when he linked paracetamol use pregnancy to autism. 283 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: That's all they want the ball on the ballroom of 284 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: course as well. 285 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: So first off, these tariffs obviously sent the world into 286 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: a tail spin. You know, leaders of every nation in 287 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: the world wanting to speak to Donald Trump about this. 288 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: What do you think that says about how the US's 289 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: influence is still quite big? 290 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it is this annoying thing, Like you hear 291 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 6: the way that other countries talk about Donald Trump, and 292 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 6: it is like there's fear in it, you know, like 293 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 6: there's the thing just just sweet gone that the FIFA 294 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 6: at the drawer. They like made up a new prize 295 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 6: to be like and you get this that it's like 296 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 6: everyone just wants to keep them happy because the US 297 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 6: at the moment just feels so volatile and they're the 298 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 6: thing of the tariffs that like it was affected by 299 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 6: like personal grudges between Donald Trump and the world leader 300 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 6: of sending country that they would say, oh, well we're 301 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 6: going to do reciprocal tariffs or something like that, and 302 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 6: he's like, well, then I'm going to increase yours kids. 303 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 5: Playing a board game, you know what I mean, And 304 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 5: they're making up the rules as they go along. 305 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: It is. 306 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 5: It's a wild world that we live in at the moment. 307 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 5: But I think you're being on. People don't necessarily necessarily 308 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 5: respect him, but they fear him because he does. He 309 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 5: does have power. And I think Donald Trump is far 310 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 5: more clever than people give him credit for. I think 311 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 5: he knows what he's doing in a lot of ways. 312 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 5: He comes across as you know. 313 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 7: That he doesn't always know what he's doing, and you know, 314 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 7: and I think there is an argument there are people 315 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 7: talking about perhaps he's in cognitive decline. 316 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: I think both things could be true. I think he can. 317 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 5: Be very powerful and kind of know how to work people, 318 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 5: know how to divert the conversation and all of those 319 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 5: things for a specific purpose, not just because he's ant, 320 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: but because he knows what he's doing. 321 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: But I think he can also can be a bit of. 322 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 6: An idea well, Like the thing about him is and 323 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 6: that he knows how to work a crowd. If you've 324 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 6: ever actually sat down and watched one of his rallies, 325 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 6: like because the thing is that you you see all 326 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 6: these clips out of context and it's like, oh, he 327 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 6: said the craziest thing, and you know, a lot of 328 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 6: it is insane, but he has this ability to tap 329 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 6: into like exactly what a crowd wants to hear that like, 330 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 6: and you know, for editing purposes and things like that. 331 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 6: I've sat down and watched like a forty minute hour 332 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 6: long rally of his and the way that he plays 333 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 6: off a grad more, I would say, more so in 334 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 6: twenty sixteen twenty twenty, I think he has lost a 335 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 6: bit of his speed, which you know, whether or not 336 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 6: it's cognitive declined, it comes with aging and also the 337 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 6: stress of being president, I'm sure. 338 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: And also not having to go on an election trail again. 339 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 5: Really yeah, yeah, right, like you do as much as 340 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 5: you can be out there. 341 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: As you like, because this is your last year. 342 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: This is yeah, because we started off with the inauguration 343 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: this year, which seems so like so long ago. But 344 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: all of the tech bros in the front row, those 345 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: images of all of them, I mean. 346 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 3: Do you reckon that they've all stuck around? 347 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Like obviously the famous one is. 348 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 6: It's crazy to think that in twenty twenty five, there 349 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 6: was a period of about six months where I heard 350 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 6: the name Elon Musk every day and. 351 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, yeah, he's doing some other thing. 352 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 6: You have to email Elon Musk five things you've done 353 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 6: that week? That like, it's crazy that all the stuff 354 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 6: was this year. 355 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 4: But then email and five things you've done this. 356 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 6: Because he was in charge of the shopping that you 357 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 6: had to you had to send through what what were 358 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 6: five things you you did in last week to prove 359 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 6: your productive because nothing, you know, promotes productivity by like 360 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 6: adding a useless bit of admin wik. 361 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, there was like all these things. 362 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 6: And then like the Doge contract because of things about 363 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 6: let because he was an elected official, there was like 364 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 6: all these different things about that. The contract was only 365 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 6: going to be for a certain amount of time, and 366 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 6: then when it finished, it seemed like they didn't end 367 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 6: on the best of terms, because you know, it ended 368 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 6: with Elon Musk just tweeting Trump is and the Epstein 369 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 6: files that's why they won't be released. 370 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: Have fun with that, that's right. And then I think 371 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: that was later deleted, but was done. The damage was done. 372 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously that's been another lot of the 373 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: big stories of the year. 374 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: Now, a standout TV show this year was a four 375 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: part series. 376 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 3: It was on Netflix. It was a drama. It was 377 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: called Adolescents. 378 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: Not only for its performances and how each episode was 379 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 2: actually filmed in a single take, which is extraordinary if 380 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: you've watched it, I just couldn't believe that that was 381 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: a thing, but also for the conversations around you know, 382 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: its release social media role in youth radicalization, for example, 383 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: the manner sphere, parental blind spots. Also when it comes 384 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: to kids online, what do you guys make of those conversations? 385 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 3: And Jane, this one's for you. 386 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: Because you do have children of an age who are online. 387 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and it's though they honestly could be anywhere 388 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 5: from two these days in Australia, they. 389 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: Can still be online. 390 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: No. 391 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a fifteen and a half year old boy, 392 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 5: so right in that space, and I haven't watched it, 393 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 5: and I've deliberately not watched it because I know it 394 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 5: will really disturb and upset me, and that, I guess 395 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 5: maybe makes me one of those people who has blinkers on. 396 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 5: But I don't feel like like I've seen the conversation, 397 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: and I don't feel like I need to watch the 398 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 5: kind of very harrowing thing to know what it's about 399 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 5: and to engage in the conversations around it. 400 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 4: It's a little bit. 401 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 5: Self protection really, you know, as a parent, you know, 402 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 5: I personally try to be very engaged in what my 403 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 5: kids are doing online. 404 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 4: I'm not naive. 405 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 5: And if I think there's a naivety in thinking that 406 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 5: you know everything, you don't and and you know, not 407 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 5: that we're a parenting podcast, but it is just that 408 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 5: classic like having the conversations with their children, making a 409 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 5: safe space to talk about just keeping an eye on 410 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 5: them and connecting with them is the best thing that 411 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 5: you can do. I think it was a very excellent 412 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 5: I understand it was technically excellent. Again, I am saying that, 413 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 5: but a very you know, a very timely release of 414 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 5: something that was that would have made a lot of parents. 415 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sit up and take notice. It made me 416 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 3: very uncomfortable. And I'm not a parent at all. 417 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: What about you, Richard, I'm also not a parent's. 418 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is interesting, like the whole manisphere thing, because 419 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 6: I do get exposed to some of that content. 420 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 4: My children don't like, they definitely do and me. 421 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: You know, like Charlie Kirk was, you know, obviously one 422 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 6: of the big news stories this year, and he was 423 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 6: a figure that I was very familiar with as someone. 424 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: And you see, I didn't know who Charlie Kirk were 425 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: was before that day. And I was having a similar 426 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 2: conversation with my brother as well, and he knew because 427 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: his videos had come up on me. 428 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that scary in that. 429 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 6: Like, depending on what social media I'm on, I would 430 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 6: get feared like Charlie Kirk owns liberals or liberals own 431 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk. That Like, if I'm on my TikTok algorithm 432 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 6: tends to be I guess more left wing, and so 433 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 6: it will be stuff where you know, you're Ben Shapiro, 434 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 6: Jordan Peterson Charlie Kirk are caught out in something, whereas 435 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 6: if I go on Twitter, it's like entirely look at 436 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 6: you know, facts don't care about your feelings, and all 437 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 6: the times that they're won an argument. 438 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 4: And sometimes the same clip exactly just. 439 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 6: Depending on who's posting it. Yeah, like yes, I know, 440 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 6: as you see. I've seen clips out of context from 441 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 6: you know, one of these Jubilee debate debate videos or 442 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 6: something like that, and then I'm like, who do they 443 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 6: think looks stupid? 444 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, to be like, oh okay, yeah. 445 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: If there's one thing that is likely to end up 446 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: on a lot of twenty twenty five lists this year, 447 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be this cute ugly monster 448 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: plushy la boo boo. 449 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: You've heard of them. 450 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: They were everywhere, and I think it brings up a 451 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: few good insights into like society, celebrity endorsements, consumerism, and 452 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: that kind of psychology like I need this because I 453 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: can't get it kind of thing. 454 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: What do you think of them? 455 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 5: I think I think they're quite cute ugly cute ugly, 456 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 5: but I feel like you ugly has been a thing 457 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 5: for ever, you know, in pop culture. But I personally 458 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 5: don't have a libo. The dairy near my house sounds 459 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: like La Booboo esque type candy type, you know, I 460 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 5: don't actually know what it is, but they're right by 461 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 5: the counter. You know, these these dolls, what do you 462 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 5: call them? They don't they they were around slashy. They're plushy, 463 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 5: so like they would have been sitting in pop stop 464 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: or whatever, selling just for a regular price until who 465 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 5: was it? 466 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: Was it Rihanna someone? 467 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: It was Rihanna, but it was also Jenny from Black 468 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: Pink I think as well, and a couple of other 469 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: celebrities also had them on their backs or something. 470 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then it just yeah, it just 471 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: started a whole thing, didn't it. 472 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: I mean, there's no. 473 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 5: It feels like if you're a manufacturer of something, it's 474 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: just as like gambling. 475 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, like he's hoping. 476 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, and also everyone's struggling with the cost of living 477 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 2: and having a really rough twenty twenty five, and you know, 478 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: if you can get some enjoyment out of. 479 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: This little furry monster that cost you. 480 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: I can't remember what they they cost about forty bucks 481 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: or something, and you get a lot of enjoyment out 482 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: of it. 483 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: Then why not. 484 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: But there was a lot of people criticizing people for 485 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: liking Laboo Boos as well, Yeah it. 486 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: Comes out, it's funny. 487 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 6: Like basically, everything I know about Laboober's I've learned from 488 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 6: Huge House. 489 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: Will. 490 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, like, I mean, anytime. 491 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 6: Some dumb little thing like this comes a fair essentially 492 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 6: fair comes along, there's going to be people that are 493 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 6: like against her. But it's like, yeah, that makes you 494 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 6: were happy for Like, it's. 495 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 5: Pretty harnest, right, I think that I think the problem 496 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 5: really lies and when the value is so inflated that 497 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 5: like the poor little kid who has actually been collecting 498 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 5: them when they were just like nineteen ninety five at 499 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 5: pop stop and really wanted a particular one, but now 500 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 5: that one is worth you know, sixty thousand dollars, it 501 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 5: becomes a bit of a problem. It doesn't help with 502 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 5: the cost of living crisis. 503 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: My next one just two words cold play kiss cam, 504 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: which is. 505 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: Technically I think it's kiss cam one. 506 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 5: Word or that's the big debate that everyone was talking about. 507 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: Everyone was one. 508 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: Ding where the kiss you know discuss. 509 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I you know what a great viral moment. 510 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible moment, and then all of the videos of 511 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: people re enacting it as well. 512 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 4: But I do like I'm maybe I'm just a bleeding her. 513 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: I feel it sorry for them. 514 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: Do you have Do you have the right to anonymity 515 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: when you're at a concert with your lover? 516 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know that kiss allegedly, you know, 517 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 5: kiss cams exists, you know, phone social media exists, So 518 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 5: I mean, do you have the right to Sure, we 519 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 5: all have the right to it, but you've also got 520 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 5: to realize, like. 521 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: We exercise that right, you know. 522 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 4: But the I just think that in a these things 523 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 4: are never. 524 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 5: As black and white as they seem, right, you know, 525 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 5: you don't know actually what's going on in someone's personal 526 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: life and the repercussions on family members, other parties. You know, 527 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 5: it's it's quite out of step with just someone having 528 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: you know, and a fear that can be yahretty pretty 529 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: detrimental to a family, to a relationship on the best 530 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 5: of days, litt alone having it become the biggest viral 531 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 5: moment in the world. Possibly ever, like, that's a lot 532 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 5: for people to deal with and possibly you know, yeah, 533 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 5: I mean I wouldn't want. 534 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: My family finding out like Coldplow. 535 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, That's what we're talking about Yeah, that was. 536 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 3: It, but also the dosing online as well. 537 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 2: I mean, immediately after that video came out, people knew 538 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: where the man worked. I think his wife was actually 539 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: asleep and woke up to messages because people. 540 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 3: Had found them overnight. So it's like where do you 541 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: where does it end? 542 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 6: Well, it's also like, I mean, the really interesting thing 543 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 6: about it as well is that like if they had 544 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 6: done nothing, no one would know about it, right, And 545 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 6: then it's like the straisone effect of like trying to 546 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 6: hide something only draws attention to it. And it was like, 547 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 6: just in the last couple of months, he's like announced 548 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 6: he's sewing coldplay or something along those lines, because. 549 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 3: Chris Martin pointed. 550 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 6: It out, and because there was also the thing about like, 551 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 6: oh is it defamation what Chris Martin said that, He's like, oh, 552 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 6: they're either you know, having an affair. 553 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: Well, it's not defamation because it's true true. 554 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 4: We did a whole episode on it. 555 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 6: Remember, yeah, but yeah, and because there was all these 556 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 6: things about like what legal repercussions are there, but then 557 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 6: also there was like these things about like oh, there 558 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 6: and he had separated from his wife or like but 559 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 6: then obviously you know, anyone can just go online and 560 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 6: make this up. So I've seen a bunch of different 561 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 6: things that's actually they weren't together, or actually they had 562 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 6: been together. 563 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 4: There's points, you know, like it gives way to the 564 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 4: point that we. 565 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 5: Really don't know what's going on in people's personal lives, 566 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: and why do we feel like we have the right to, 567 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 5: you know, to cast moral judgment when so many of 568 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 5: the details are missing. 569 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's a great viron my man, you. 570 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: Know, hilarious. 571 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: And last one, what is your major standout of the year? 572 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, top moments for me. I was trying to think of, 573 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 6: like if there are actually are only like like fun 574 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 6: news stories this year. I mean the Copley has came 575 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 6: was one that was. 576 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 5: Like, Yeah, I mean we went in pretty hard on 577 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 5: Ike and that it was very recent, like literally last weekish. 578 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 4: But I think I found it chronically hilarious. 579 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 5: That there was no traffic, and I think it might 580 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 5: have been part of the media hype. 581 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: Thing that we contributed to. 582 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 5: We scared people away, We did too good of a 583 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 5: job for us, But you know, I think it's you know, 584 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 5: I'm I'm kind of a fan of AKA. 585 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 4: I'm glad it's here. 586 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 5: It was exciting to go and check out the story 587 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 5: ahead of time, to try and meet all you know, 588 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 5: that sort of thing. And to me, that's kind of 589 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 5: a little bit of a feel good story to. 590 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 7: End what is otherwise been a pretty rubbish Yeah, all 591 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 7: things considered, I think, you know, I here is my 592 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 7: my big blue. 593 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 6: Savior because because for me, like I'm a big sort 594 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 6: of like pop culture guy that like my like my 595 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 6: highlights of each year are like things like you know, 596 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 6: Oscar season and like I mean, I was a big 597 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 6: fan of Kendrick Lamher at the super Bowl that was 598 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 6: back in February, and yeah, you know there's been there's 599 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 6: been some good movies this year as well, one Bay 600 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 6: of Lafter another Listeners, and so it's like, those are 601 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 6: my highlights of the year personally, Well. 602 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. 603 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 4: No, no, you don't get to do that. 604 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: It was your highlight of the Chelsea obviously working with 605 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: you guys, and I know that you just wanted that 606 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: on tape. No. I think coming to work every day 607 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: and working on this podcast, I think I love what 608 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: I do and I love creating this for the audience. 609 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: And a big shout out to the audience and whoever's listening, 610 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: watching reading the article. 611 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 3: We really really do appreciate it. 612 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: Here, we do. 613 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 4: We ended for all your heart Maneyah, thanks so much 614 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 4: for joining us. 615 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: Chelsea, thanks so. 616 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: Much for joining us. 617 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: That's it for the Front Page for twenty twenty five. 618 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: We'll be back with new episodes in mid January. 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