WEBVTT - Dr Alex Bartle: Stop tracking your sleep 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.721 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks, b. 0:00:11.281 --> 0:00:12.081 The Drown. 0:00:16.241 --> 0:00:41.321 Snags and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage, 0:00:41.401 --> 0:00:43.081 but a Duran durand to easy into the Air hung 0:00:43.121 --> 0:00:44.921 we like the wolf probably has nothing to do with 0:00:44.921 --> 0:00:47.081 this topic, but of course, but Duran Guran in terms 0:00:47.081 --> 0:00:49.281 of my own interested quite a bond theme view to 0:00:49.321 --> 0:00:50.681 a kill. By the way, I think it was the 0:00:51.161 --> 0:00:53.201 top rating bond theme when it came around. What the 0:00:53.201 --> 0:00:56.241 best seller they've ever had anyway, not for Duran Duran 0:00:56.281 --> 0:00:58.481 but the bond things. But there we go. 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But 0:01:42.001 --> 0:01:43.801 then again, if you are playing the game, if you 0:01:43.841 --> 0:01:46.401 call up and you have a sensible call on the topic, 0:01:46.481 --> 0:01:49.001 that's been we've clearly been listening. Oh, let you give 0:01:49.001 --> 0:01:50.441 a shout out to your mates. So there you go, 0:01:50.681 --> 0:01:55.241 oh eight eighty. But of course we are joined by 0:01:55.481 --> 0:01:58.121 Dr Alex Bartle from the Sleep weldlin It because that's 0:01:58.121 --> 0:02:00.201 the topic today, or Alex, we're about getting a good 0:02:00.281 --> 0:02:02.081 night sleep. How are you doing well? 0:02:02.081 --> 0:02:02.721 Thanks t Y. 0:02:03.441 --> 0:02:04.481 Do you have a good night sleep? 0:02:05.041 --> 0:02:07.001 I usually have a pretty good night sleep, not always, 0:02:07.241 --> 0:02:08.401 but if I don't, I know. 0:02:08.321 --> 0:02:10.481 What to do do you? Okay? Well, we're going to 0:02:10.481 --> 0:02:12.721 get into that. But the thing that one of the 0:02:12.721 --> 0:02:16.161 things that we wanted to talk about this afternoon is 0:02:16.201 --> 0:02:19.401 because people put a heap of energy into tracking the 0:02:19.481 --> 0:02:21.521 length and quality of their sleep. In fact, sometimes they 0:02:21.521 --> 0:02:23.001 put it quite a bit of money into it because 0:02:23.281 --> 0:02:25.961 they want to buy this particular smart watch which you'll 0:02:25.961 --> 0:02:28.601 track this sleep. I mean, my phone will track my sleep, 0:02:28.641 --> 0:02:30.681 but of course I don't hold my phone while I'm sleeping, 0:02:30.721 --> 0:02:34.521 so that's no good. And we want to ask, have 0:02:34.601 --> 0:02:37.561 you got a sleep tracking app? What does it tell you? 0:02:37.601 --> 0:02:39.401 Because you actually might be looking at the results and 0:02:39.441 --> 0:02:42.161 going I actually don't know what this means. Apparently I'm 0:02:42.201 --> 0:02:44.041 sleeping for three or four hours, then I wake up 0:02:44.041 --> 0:02:46.601 for a bit, and then I go back to sleep. 0:02:46.681 --> 0:02:49.041 Is that a good night's sleep? So give us a 0:02:49.081 --> 0:02:50.681 call to you and do you find that if you've 0:02:50.681 --> 0:02:54.121 got to sleep tracking app, that it suddenly changes your 0:02:54.161 --> 0:02:57.801 consciousness and your awareness about your sleep to the extent 0:02:57.841 --> 0:03:00.721 that you start not even a good night's sleep? And 0:03:00.761 --> 0:03:03.001 there is something about there that isn't there, Alex. When 0:03:03.001 --> 0:03:06.241 you start getting preoccupied about what your brain or your 0:03:06.281 --> 0:03:09.481 mind is doing, that it's like setting your own traps, 0:03:09.481 --> 0:03:10.361 isn't it. 0:03:10.361 --> 0:03:12.561 It's all very well tracking it. And let's face it, 0:03:12.561 --> 0:03:13.761 we're not going to be able to get rid of 0:03:13.761 --> 0:03:16.201 these watches. I mean, they've been around now for a 0:03:16.201 --> 0:03:20.241 good decade or more and they're getting better, but they 0:03:20.321 --> 0:03:23.721 do create problems. Sometimes they're really interesting, and they do 0:03:24.641 --> 0:03:27.841 highlight some inadequacies in our sleep at times, But then 0:03:27.841 --> 0:03:30.241 this question of how to interpret them. So it's all 0:03:30.321 --> 0:03:32.841 very well saying oh, I'm only getting you know, twenty 0:03:32.881 --> 0:03:36.321 percent of deep non ram sleep, whatever that means to them. 0:03:37.001 --> 0:03:38.641 That's not enough, you know, I should be all night, 0:03:38.641 --> 0:03:40.921 should be deep sleep. I need more digits. Well, actually, no, 0:03:41.001 --> 0:03:42.641 you don't need any more than twenty percent. 0:03:42.761 --> 0:03:45.521 That's what really, So twenty percent deep sleep. 0:03:45.601 --> 0:03:46.761 Absolutely, that's the usual. 0:03:47.121 --> 0:03:51.201 What's in fact, from what you've seen of tracking sleep 0:03:51.241 --> 0:03:55.361 tracking apps and devices, how deep can they go in 0:03:55.521 --> 0:03:58.401 terms of your sleep? Because I would have thought what 0:03:58.441 --> 0:03:58.921 are they they? 0:03:59.321 --> 0:03:59.721 What do they? 0:03:59.801 --> 0:04:02.241 How do they make their decision as to whether you're asleep? 0:04:02.361 --> 0:04:04.961 Is it because you're stationary for a while and you're 0:04:05.081 --> 0:04:06.961 pulse is about the same for a few minutes. 0:04:07.281 --> 0:04:10.681 It works on several things. Movement is one of them, 0:04:11.001 --> 0:04:13.561 the old fashioned way, that's what the most historic ways 0:04:13.641 --> 0:04:17.561 be doing. They do what's called heart rate variability. So 0:04:17.721 --> 0:04:20.241 it's to do with the autonomic nervous system, which I 0:04:20.401 --> 0:04:23.281 won't go into at this stage, but it will tell 0:04:23.321 --> 0:04:26.561 you whether you're actually in very relaxed state or a 0:04:26.601 --> 0:04:30.961 bit stressed. It then measures temperatures as well, and some 0:04:31.001 --> 0:04:33.761 of the measure actually noise as well, snoring as well, 0:04:33.841 --> 0:04:38.001 but then pretty good actually whether you're asleep or whether 0:04:38.001 --> 0:04:40.841 you're awake. So sleep and wake is fairly good nine 0:04:41.361 --> 0:04:43.881 or so. But whether you're in REM non REM sleep 0:04:44.281 --> 0:04:47.321 Level two, level one non REM sleep or REM sleep, 0:04:47.601 --> 0:04:49.041 they're not nearly as accurate. 0:04:49.481 --> 0:04:52.961 Do you track your sleep? No, there you go people 0:04:53.641 --> 0:04:56.121 the sleep? But have you tracked your sleep? 0:04:56.561 --> 0:04:58.441 To be honest? I have for a short time? 0:04:58.521 --> 0:04:59.841 And why was it just? 0:05:00.281 --> 0:05:04.561 I know we would we were trying model Well, yes, 0:05:04.641 --> 0:05:07.921 I mean I've tried everything, for example, for sleep happening. 0:05:07.961 --> 0:05:09.761 I've tried all the possible devices you can get for 0:05:09.801 --> 0:05:12.241 sleep happened to see how they feel. But as far 0:05:12.321 --> 0:05:15.481 as tracking is concerned, you we got involved with a 0:05:15.521 --> 0:05:18.241 particular device, and so I thought I should try it out. 0:05:18.881 --> 0:05:20.601 You got involved with a particular device. 0:05:20.641 --> 0:05:24.081 What you were sort of throwing it out to use 0:05:24.121 --> 0:05:24.761 in our clinic. 0:05:25.001 --> 0:05:27.841 Okay, and you haven't mentioned what the device is, so 0:05:27.841 --> 0:05:29.201 I'm guessing it didn't go that well. 0:05:29.401 --> 0:05:34.081 No, No, it went very well. They're extremely good. Dare 0:05:34.161 --> 0:05:36.161 I say I've been in trouble before for mentioning? 0:05:36.401 --> 0:05:36.441 No? 0:05:36.641 --> 0:05:39.641 I mean, yeah, the product we use, the ring, Okay, 0:05:39.721 --> 0:05:42.801 what is the ring? What's the or ring? Okay, right, 0:05:43.401 --> 0:05:46.681 I see so, And because there are different types of 0:05:46.921 --> 0:05:49.081 have you tried a watch or a digital watch. 0:05:49.241 --> 0:05:52.001 I haven't tried that. I've read up about them. And 0:05:52.641 --> 0:05:55.201 the problem I see with roches is that you wear 0:05:55.201 --> 0:05:56.481 them on the wrist, so in the middle of the 0:05:56.521 --> 0:05:58.321 night when you wake up, you're going to look at it, 0:05:58.681 --> 0:06:00.641 and of course that will immediately tell you the time, 0:06:00.681 --> 0:06:03.241 which we try and avoid people doing so looking at 0:06:03.241 --> 0:06:05.001 the keep on looking at the clock during the night 0:06:05.161 --> 0:06:08.161 is not helpful for sleep, whereas the ring you just 0:06:08.161 --> 0:06:10.281 shut on your finger all night and you download it 0:06:10.321 --> 0:06:12.321 in the morning, so you only know what's happened when 0:06:12.361 --> 0:06:13.361 you read it in the morning. 0:06:13.401 --> 0:06:15.521 Because that's the thing with the watch. With a smart watch, 0:06:15.721 --> 0:06:18.561 if you are wearing it, is there a Does it 0:06:18.601 --> 0:06:21.001 create a temptation? I guess which I think this is 0:06:21.001 --> 0:06:22.841 a rhetorical question, because I think it does create a 0:06:22.881 --> 0:06:25.401 temptation that you would be like, oh, I've been how 0:06:25.441 --> 0:06:27.561 long I've only been tossing a turning or then before 0:06:27.561 --> 0:06:30.321 you know, you've tapped the screen on your watch and 0:06:30.401 --> 0:06:32.681 you've had a lock for oh, shows I've been awake 0:06:32.721 --> 0:06:35.401 for I've been awake for an hour. What hell? And 0:06:35.401 --> 0:06:37.161 then you're anxious and that's the night screw. 0:06:37.241 --> 0:06:39.881 It certainly creates anxiety, There's no question. We get a 0:06:39.881 --> 0:06:43.161 lot of worried people, people who are monitoring it and 0:06:43.201 --> 0:06:47.801 documenting it every day, every night, I should say. But remember, 0:06:48.041 --> 0:06:49.881 these smart watches do a lot of other things too, 0:06:49.961 --> 0:06:51.961 So it may be very good at measuring steps or 0:06:52.281 --> 0:06:55.361 amount of killer jewels you've used during the day, but 0:06:55.401 --> 0:06:59.161 as far as sleep is concerned, they're good for sleep 0:06:59.201 --> 0:07:01.761 and wake, but they're not so good for what level 0:07:01.801 --> 0:07:06.001 of sleep you're in. Yeah, I mean, and then what 0:07:06.001 --> 0:07:06.521 does that mean? 0:07:06.601 --> 0:07:07.561 I mean, that's the question. 0:07:07.721 --> 0:07:10.481 I mean, you're just surprised when we talked about twenty 0:07:10.521 --> 0:07:13.441 percent of deep no room sleep, most of the time 0:07:13.481 --> 0:07:14.281 we're in light sleep. 0:07:14.361 --> 0:07:15.281 And that's fantastic. 0:07:15.761 --> 0:07:18.481 You know, like level two, non REM sleep is where 0:07:18.521 --> 0:07:21.121 we spend most of the night, and that's some really 0:07:21.161 --> 0:07:23.201 important things to go on in that REM sleep is 0:07:23.441 --> 0:07:25.961 very light sleep. Our brain is as active in REM 0:07:26.041 --> 0:07:28.481 sleep as it is in quite wakefulness. But we're doing 0:07:28.481 --> 0:07:31.961 some really important things at that time quite wakefulness. 0:07:32.121 --> 0:07:35.481 Now what is that? Because I can make it up 0:07:35.561 --> 0:07:37.721 in my mind, what I think that is? My understanding 0:07:37.761 --> 0:07:42.481 quite wakefulness would be me, I've woken up, I haven't 0:07:42.481 --> 0:07:44.281 got back to sleep yet, and I think, now, hang 0:07:44.321 --> 0:07:46.801 on minute, I'm just gonna lie here and think about 0:07:46.801 --> 0:07:50.601 some happy thoughts. And that's for me, the quite wakefulness 0:07:50.641 --> 0:07:53.001 that sleep is that what quite wakefulness. 0:07:52.521 --> 0:07:55.801 Is meditation alph orithm, and your brain's a nice alpha 0:07:56.241 --> 0:08:00.361 quiet meditation type of thing, or just quite not worrying 0:08:00.361 --> 0:08:01.041 about anything. 0:08:01.361 --> 0:08:04.521 How much value does it have that you might not 0:08:04.561 --> 0:08:06.561 be able to get to sleep, because I think the 0:08:06.601 --> 0:08:10.001 reason I asked this question is because I think if 0:08:10.041 --> 0:08:15.081 you are awake and you're conscious, I think sometimes people think, oh, well, 0:08:15.081 --> 0:08:17.961 I'm not sleeping, this is no good, and then their 0:08:18.001 --> 0:08:20.961 anxiety level builds because they are not they're not unconscious, 0:08:21.441 --> 0:08:25.241 Whereas I've also heard that actually, don't worry about it, 0:08:25.281 --> 0:08:28.561 just lie there, because even lying there and having peaceful 0:08:28.561 --> 0:08:32.121 thoughts does have some sleep value to it, doesn't. 0:08:32.121 --> 0:08:36.721 It has some cognitive value, some brain function value. But 0:08:36.761 --> 0:08:39.641 when they've done studies of people who've been quietly awake 0:08:39.721 --> 0:08:42.601 all night doing lots of blood tests over night, they 0:08:42.641 --> 0:08:44.921 have a candular in them and take that time all 0:08:44.961 --> 0:08:47.121 through the night, and then they allow those people to 0:08:47.881 --> 0:08:51.681 sleep for rate hours. The brain the studies on the 0:08:51.721 --> 0:08:55.961 blood are quite different. So there are quite specific things 0:08:55.961 --> 0:08:59.521 that happen when you're asleep that don't happen if you're awake, 0:08:59.921 --> 0:09:02.161 Although it is there is value to just lie in 0:09:02.161 --> 0:09:05.361 there quietly. Yeah, but ah, how often do you do that? 0:09:05.761 --> 0:09:08.961 Well? Unfortunately a little too often sometimes. But so have 0:09:09.081 --> 0:09:11.641 on what's what effect does sleep have on? What? What 0:09:11.801 --> 0:09:13.321 signals does blanket. 0:09:13.001 --> 0:09:17.321 Things like corterior levels and hormonal levels. Generally you know 0:09:17.521 --> 0:09:23.121 things like immunity factors TNFL for sales into looking factor 0:09:23.161 --> 0:09:28.961 so the heart of blood. Things change basically. 0:09:29.721 --> 0:09:32.161 So why what are the pro pros and cons off 0:09:32.241 --> 0:09:34.881 tracking sleep? And the simple question is who should When 0:09:34.961 --> 0:09:37.761 should you actually track your sleep? When's it? When's it worthwhile? 0:09:37.881 --> 0:09:40.921 I think it's interesting and people will always be interested 0:09:40.921 --> 0:09:43.721 in what's happening in their bodies. But to rely on 0:09:43.761 --> 0:09:46.481 it every night to see what's happening? Just how do 0:09:46.481 --> 0:09:49.681 you feel in the morning. If you're waking up exhausted 0:09:49.681 --> 0:09:51.601 in the morning, then you're probably not sleeping very well 0:09:51.601 --> 0:09:54.161 for one reason or another. If you're awake. Half that, 0:09:54.201 --> 0:09:57.321 if you're awake and you get that perception that you're awake. 0:09:57.641 --> 0:09:59.961 Then that's not good either, even if there's a huge 0:10:00.001 --> 0:10:02.641 thing called sleep state misperception. In other words, we think 0:10:02.641 --> 0:10:05.281 we've been awake all night, whereas in fact we've been drifting. Yeah, 0:10:05.401 --> 0:10:06.561 sleep that's very common. 0:10:06.641 --> 0:10:08.961 Well, that's that is the one I think that you 0:10:09.201 --> 0:10:12.881 can confuse people because often, ever since I've had you 0:10:12.921 --> 0:10:14.521 on the show, I've had someone say to my eye, 0:10:14.521 --> 0:10:17.401 which I was just awake all night, and I might 0:10:17.441 --> 0:10:20.201 say to them, you might not have been because your 0:10:20.201 --> 0:10:22.961 perception of what your sleep is. That's but I guess 0:10:23.001 --> 0:10:26.241 if you're feeling tired, then obviously some probably were awake 0:10:26.281 --> 0:10:26.881 at some stage. 0:10:27.361 --> 0:10:28.401 Yeah, absolutely so. 0:10:28.801 --> 0:10:30.601 I mean there was a night I went to I 0:10:30.641 --> 0:10:33.961 had what I consider I felt like I had a 0:10:34.001 --> 0:10:37.041 fairly disturbed sleep, but I woke up I felt quite 0:10:37.081 --> 0:10:39.641 well rested. Does that mean that when I wasn't sort 0:10:39.641 --> 0:10:41.761 of tossing and turning, I was actually having some really 0:10:41.801 --> 0:10:42.601 fantastic yep. 0:10:42.841 --> 0:10:45.641 Sounds like the quality of sleep is really good, albeit 0:10:45.721 --> 0:10:48.041 not very much of it, but the quality was good. 0:10:48.321 --> 0:10:50.961 Where some people, you know, sleep for good eight or nine, 0:10:51.201 --> 0:10:54.201 even up to ten hours, but feel rubbish in the morning, Well, 0:10:54.201 --> 0:10:56.481 it's usually because they're quality of sleep probably something like 0:10:56.521 --> 0:10:58.081 sleep ap near is occurring. 0:10:58.361 --> 0:11:00.721 Okay, we love your call, so weight one hundred and 0:11:00.721 --> 0:11:04.321 eighty ten and eighty in text on nine two nine two. Firstly, 0:11:04.481 --> 0:11:07.041 I do you track your sleep? And have you found 0:11:07.081 --> 0:11:09.201 that it's been quite useful or helpful? I mean now, 0:11:09.201 --> 0:11:12.561 Alex said, it's like all human beings, we're curious about things. 0:11:12.561 --> 0:11:14.121 It's like why people want to know how many steps 0:11:14.121 --> 0:11:16.841 they've done during their day. I tend to think you know, 0:11:16.881 --> 0:11:18.841 if you want to if you're worried about exercise, just 0:11:18.881 --> 0:11:21.081 go out for a run until you feel like you've exercised. 0:11:21.121 --> 0:11:24.201 That's probably the answer for me. Same with sleep. Go 0:11:24.241 --> 0:11:26.001 to bed and if you feel you've had a good 0:11:26.081 --> 0:11:28.401 night sleep, don't worry about tracking it. But are you 0:11:28.521 --> 0:11:30.521 one of those people who you love the fact you've 0:11:30.521 --> 0:11:33.761 got the smart watch or you've got some other device 0:11:33.801 --> 0:11:36.201 that tracks you sleep? Do you track it? But if 0:11:36.201 --> 0:11:38.441 you've got other questions on sleep, getting good night's sleep 0:11:38.481 --> 0:11:40.761 from doctor Alex Bartle, director of the Sleepweld Clinic, and 0:11:40.801 --> 0:11:42.761 we'd love to hear from you. Oh wait one hundred 0:11:42.881 --> 0:11:46.761 eighty ten eighty text nine two nine two. It's eighteen 0:11:46.801 --> 0:11:48.921 past four. News Talks hed B. Yes, News talks here B. 0:11:49.001 --> 0:11:51.561 We're talking sleep with Alex Bartle from Sleepwell Clinic and 0:11:51.681 --> 0:11:56.961 let's let's get into it. Steve, Hello, good, Hi, all right, 0:11:58.881 --> 0:12:01.761 I have a question and my doctors can't answer. 0:12:02.161 --> 0:12:05.601 The hospital no one I have. But I went to 0:12:05.641 --> 0:12:08.561 get a blood test and it came back that I 0:12:08.561 --> 0:12:10.881 was fitting healthy. One week later, I go back and 0:12:10.921 --> 0:12:12.961 get the same thing done and it came back that 0:12:13.081 --> 0:12:17.201 they said, sorry, it's too late. You have hyperthoridism and 0:12:17.281 --> 0:12:19.881 Graves disease. And it kind of spun me out because 0:12:19.881 --> 0:12:23.761 they didn't explain anything to me about it. But I 0:12:23.841 --> 0:12:26.561 noticed that my sleep I have issues sleeping. I might 0:12:26.601 --> 0:12:29.641 only get one to two hours sleep at night. And 0:12:30.681 --> 0:12:33.241 I know things like eating before you go to bed 0:12:33.441 --> 0:12:38.241 is bad because that causes your heart to stretch out 0:12:38.281 --> 0:12:40.321 a little bit because you're trying to digest food while 0:12:40.321 --> 0:12:44.361 you're asleep. So because I've got heart disease, I'm thinking 0:12:45.201 --> 0:12:47.801 I get a bit of sleep when I eat before 0:12:47.841 --> 0:12:50.401 I go to sleep, which is bad, but I do 0:12:50.441 --> 0:12:53.321 get a bit of sleep. And the medications they just 0:12:53.361 --> 0:12:55.721 stopped working after like teen years of being on it. 0:12:56.401 --> 0:12:58.561 So I'm trying to find I'm trying to find other 0:12:58.601 --> 0:13:04.201 ways that I can relax myself or get into a 0:13:04.281 --> 0:13:07.521 stage a time for me to be able to go 0:13:07.561 --> 0:13:08.361 to sleep at night. 0:13:08.561 --> 0:13:11.241 Okay, Steve, thanks for that. Let's bring Alex on it 0:13:11.521 --> 0:13:13.881 actually eating before going to bed, or let's do all that. 0:13:13.881 --> 0:13:17.241 Well, a snack is usually fine. What we don't want 0:13:17.321 --> 0:13:18.801 him is to go to bed with a tummy fall, 0:13:18.841 --> 0:13:21.761 because basically our gut doesn't work well at night, and 0:13:21.801 --> 0:13:24.561 hence we got this thing called breakfast. We're breaking the fast, 0:13:24.641 --> 0:13:26.761 so expect to go at least ten to twelve hours 0:13:27.001 --> 0:13:31.321 without anything in their tummy. But some people, like yourself, Steve, 0:13:31.921 --> 0:13:34.161 may betefit for a little bit of a snack before 0:13:34.161 --> 0:13:36.241 you gett a bit, but just don't make you too 0:13:36.321 --> 0:13:36.961 much at all. 0:13:37.841 --> 0:13:40.601 Keep it light. What about the other things that Steve 0:13:40.641 --> 0:13:41.721 talked about? Thyroid? 0:13:41.801 --> 0:13:44.881 Thyroid problems are likely to interrupt sleep to some degree, 0:13:44.961 --> 0:13:49.001 but that's usually monitored by the doctor who will be 0:13:49.081 --> 0:13:51.521 managing that. And either you've got too much thyroid which 0:13:51.601 --> 0:13:54.041 might interrupt your sleep, or not enough, which makes you 0:13:54.121 --> 0:13:54.761 very sleepy. 0:13:54.921 --> 0:13:56.561 What are you eating before you go to bed, Steve? 0:13:58.761 --> 0:14:01.881 Because I got Guy's disease, unlimited to what I can eat. 0:14:01.961 --> 0:14:04.521 I can't have food just magnesium, arny of it. And 0:14:04.561 --> 0:14:07.321 I used to a lot of sushi in that and 0:14:07.361 --> 0:14:11.801 I think it's the seaweed I'm not allowed. So I 0:14:11.801 --> 0:14:14.121 don't know. I'll just on these two of us that 0:14:14.161 --> 0:14:16.001 live in the house. And I used to be a 0:14:16.041 --> 0:14:18.401 sheath and my problem is I cook way too much. 0:14:18.841 --> 0:14:22.241 But I think all leftovers the next day. So it's 0:14:22.321 --> 0:14:25.921 things I'll make with criss of course, okay, and I'll 0:14:25.961 --> 0:14:29.241 have some cold chicken in there. But I love my dressing, 0:14:29.321 --> 0:14:31.921 so so dressing and all in. 0:14:31.841 --> 0:14:35.001 The main, just keep it late, not not too much, 0:14:35.041 --> 0:14:36.721 and they shouldn't have any problem as far as your 0:14:36.721 --> 0:14:38.641 sleep is concerned. But if you're not sleeping any more 0:14:38.641 --> 0:14:40.201 than a couple of hours at night, I think we 0:14:40.321 --> 0:14:41.521 need to actually catch up. 0:14:42.721 --> 0:14:46.481 Actually, what is the the yep? So yeah, Steve, if 0:14:46.521 --> 0:14:48.001 you want to go, you can visit the sleep Well 0:14:48.041 --> 0:14:51.681 Clinic dot consin you and check that out. But what 0:14:51.841 --> 0:14:55.241 is what sort of things are better to eat? For instance, 0:14:55.841 --> 0:14:58.681 the let's go with the soothing glass of milk or 0:14:58.921 --> 0:15:00.561 at bedtime? And is that kind of thing to it? 0:15:01.321 --> 0:15:04.201 I mean, ideally, the thinking was that it has tripped 0:15:04.201 --> 0:15:07.441 to pen in it, and van is a precursor to serotonin, 0:15:07.481 --> 0:15:10.241 that's precursor to melatonin. That was the sort of original thing. 0:15:11.361 --> 0:15:13.881 It doesn't probably make much difference. It's a fatty drink, 0:15:13.961 --> 0:15:17.561 so that means it will delay gastric emptying, which is 0:15:17.961 --> 0:15:20.601 fine in some respects. You won't get the sugar hit 0:15:21.601 --> 0:15:24.201 from it. So because it delays. 0:15:24.241 --> 0:15:25.201 Is that good or bad? 0:15:26.001 --> 0:15:27.681 That's okay, And when you're trying to sleep, you don't 0:15:27.721 --> 0:15:30.881 want sugar hit just before. But on the other hand, 0:15:30.921 --> 0:15:32.441 it does sit in the body for a long time, 0:15:32.681 --> 0:15:35.481 but liquid, so it'll go through relies so easily. 0:15:35.521 --> 0:15:38.361 What about peanuts, I've got a text about that saying, 0:15:38.441 --> 0:15:41.761 what about peanuts, I've heard they give you nightmares? That 0:15:41.881 --> 0:15:42.601 is that nonsense? 0:15:42.881 --> 0:15:44.681 I haven't heard that one, to be honest. I mean 0:15:44.761 --> 0:15:46.001 cheese is the classic one. 0:15:46.161 --> 0:15:48.241 I'd drains on cheese. 0:15:48.041 --> 0:15:49.641 And that was supposed to be the tyro scene in 0:15:49.641 --> 0:15:52.161 the cheese. But the study that was done by a 0:15:52.241 --> 0:15:54.921 cheese company said that it didn't make any difference. 0:15:54.921 --> 0:15:58.921 So done by the cheese company, I reckon they should 0:15:58.961 --> 0:16:01.401 have done the opposite. They should have said, have amazingly 0:16:01.521 --> 0:16:03.601 vivid nightmare is when you eat our cheese and make 0:16:03.641 --> 0:16:05.441 it a challenge, and that will become one of those 0:16:05.441 --> 0:16:07.361 things with young I'm going to a huge chunk of 0:16:07.401 --> 0:16:10.481 cheese before bed. Anyway, Look, let's take some more calls 0:16:10.481 --> 0:16:11.041 on this June. 0:16:11.081 --> 0:16:18.161 Hello, Hello, when you talk a little louder because I'm 0:16:18.241 --> 0:16:21.481 very deaf. But I'm a ninety four year old and 0:16:21.521 --> 0:16:24.921 I'm not sleeping very well, and I've my mind just 0:16:25.041 --> 0:16:27.601 goes on and on and on. How do I shut 0:16:27.641 --> 0:16:29.961 it down so I can get some decent sleep? 0:16:31.001 --> 0:16:34.281 Well planning before you go to bed. Just spend a 0:16:34.281 --> 0:16:38.201 bit of time writing some stuff down, so just brain. 0:16:38.241 --> 0:16:40.681 I can see I've got no side. 0:16:40.881 --> 0:16:43.721 Okay, have you got a dog or a cat companion? 0:16:44.641 --> 0:16:44.881 No? 0:16:45.601 --> 0:16:49.801 Right, So find something you can actually talk to, so 0:16:50.561 --> 0:16:52.401 and have a chat. You're buy yourself? 0:16:52.441 --> 0:16:52.681 Are you? 0:16:54.241 --> 0:16:54.401 Yes? 0:16:54.761 --> 0:16:57.081 I need it? Just goes on and on and I 0:16:57.161 --> 0:16:58.361 go back into time. 0:17:01.961 --> 0:17:02.241 Later. 0:17:02.441 --> 0:17:05.241 Don't go to bed too soon. Spend a bit of time. 0:17:05.321 --> 0:17:08.241 Then the thing, Yes, I have to go What time 0:17:08.241 --> 0:17:09.201 do you go to bed? Jane? 0:17:10.241 --> 0:17:13.281 About? Well, I have to get well. I tell you 0:17:13.681 --> 0:17:17.321 why I'm reading. I'm in a rest home and I've 0:17:17.361 --> 0:17:19.441 got to go to bed. About I've got to get 0:17:19.441 --> 0:17:22.321 ready for bed. By seven o'clock and be in bed. 0:17:22.921 --> 0:17:26.441 And I don't find it easy to get to sleep 0:17:26.481 --> 0:17:29.481 when I've been distracted like that all the time. 0:17:31.361 --> 0:17:34.161 Have they got you on a routine that doesn't suit you, 0:17:34.241 --> 0:17:36.481 So they encourage you to go to bed early, and 0:17:36.521 --> 0:17:37.281 they probably wake you. 0:17:37.321 --> 0:17:41.681 Up at about what They wake me up at eleven o'clock. 0:17:41.761 --> 0:17:45.641 They wake me up again at about another couple of hours, 0:17:45.681 --> 0:17:48.881 about two or two or three o'clock. Then they wake 0:17:48.961 --> 0:17:51.001 me up again at five o'clock in the morning. 0:17:51.241 --> 0:17:52.201 Is that for medication? 0:17:52.401 --> 0:17:52.641 Is it? 0:17:53.401 --> 0:17:57.401 No, it's just just the routine so that they check 0:17:57.481 --> 0:17:59.721 to see if you're right. That's something they've got to 0:17:59.761 --> 0:18:04.641 do evidently. But it just so disturbs my sleep pattern 0:18:04.721 --> 0:18:05.881 that I haven't push. 0:18:05.961 --> 0:18:08.801 That sounds that's a bit of a catch twenty two. 0:18:09.081 --> 0:18:12.961 Yeah, well it's a catch twenty two. But I can't 0:18:13.001 --> 0:18:15.161 think of good thought, so I seem to get into 0:18:15.201 --> 0:18:19.601 bed habits now and I think, but well, I know 0:18:19.681 --> 0:18:20.401 you can't help. 0:18:21.761 --> 0:18:23.881 Hang on, just stay on the line. I might have 0:18:23.961 --> 0:18:24.241 a chat. 0:18:24.961 --> 0:18:29.001 I might say that in many instances routines have changed. 0:18:29.041 --> 0:18:31.321 For one of the major change that would be made 0:18:31.441 --> 0:18:34.241 is in intensive key and it's where you're being working 0:18:34.361 --> 0:18:36.321 every sort of half hour to take your blood pressure, 0:18:36.321 --> 0:18:39.401 and they're reducing that now as near natally units are 0:18:39.521 --> 0:18:42.961 much less invasive now, and maybe places in rest homes 0:18:43.001 --> 0:18:45.521 like you're in should actually be waking you less often 0:18:45.641 --> 0:18:49.681 or intruding in your nighttime less often, because waking you 0:18:49.801 --> 0:18:51.201 up is not helpful for your health. 0:18:51.481 --> 0:18:54.001 And of course we don't know what. I mean, it's 0:18:54.001 --> 0:18:56.921