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He is 0:01:46.721 --> 0:01:50.001 a sports journalist with zed Mee and it's Auckland def 0:01:50.121 --> 0:01:52.561 C versus Western Sydney Wanderers. We're going to preview that 0:01:52.801 --> 0:01:55.361 as well as get his take on the upcoming qualifying 0:01:55.441 --> 0:01:57.841 rounds for the f one which of this evenings, So 0:01:58.081 --> 0:02:01.201 that is lots to get our heads around. Welcome to 0:02:01.201 --> 0:02:03.841 the Weekend Collective. It's eight minutes past. 0:02:03.681 --> 0:02:09.481 Three, entertaining and always boys. Tim Beverage on the Weekend 0:02:09.561 --> 0:02:11.081 Collective News talks that'd. 0:02:10.961 --> 0:02:14.281 Be oh yes, indeed and no particular ordership. We introduced 0:02:14.321 --> 0:02:17.841 her quite modestly as a producer and journalist. But she's 0:02:18.081 --> 0:02:19.841 I think over the course of your career, she said, 0:02:19.841 --> 0:02:22.201 her fingers and all sorts of pies, isn't she it's 0:02:22.241 --> 0:02:22.881 Irene Gardener. 0:02:22.921 --> 0:02:24.401 Hello Irene, how are you? 0:02:24.721 --> 0:02:25.881 I'm very well, thank you. 0:02:25.961 --> 0:02:29.961 That you've had a fairly eclectic You've got lots of 0:02:30.001 --> 0:02:32.881 interest seven arts and broadcasting. 0:02:33.041 --> 0:02:36.241 Journalist and TV producer by trade. But yeah, these days 0:02:36.281 --> 0:02:38.121 I do boards and things like that, and so yeah, 0:02:38.161 --> 0:02:39.961 I'm a bit of cross that I do boards. 0:02:40.441 --> 0:02:41.881 I do boards on board. 0:02:42.001 --> 0:02:46.961 That's quite that was quite bad grammar for someone claiming 0:02:47.001 --> 0:02:47.561 to a FA. 0:02:47.441 --> 0:02:51.161 Journalists boards works for me, and he is. I was 0:02:51.241 --> 0:02:55.241 just reflecting with Irene and my producer, just the insufferable 0:02:55.361 --> 0:02:57.961 youth of Brad Olsen, the CEO of in for Metrics, 0:02:58.721 --> 0:03:00.321 and I thought of you as we played that slightly 0:03:00.401 --> 0:03:02.921 groovy music, Brad, that you'd be wanting to bust some moves. 0:03:03.401 --> 0:03:06.681 But coming to us down the line from Elington, good ay, gooday. 0:03:06.841 --> 0:03:09.081 Look, I was trying to bust some moves. Although if 0:03:09.121 --> 0:03:11.201 you ask me any details about the song when it 0:03:11.281 --> 0:03:12.921 came out and who made it, I'm not sure if 0:03:12.961 --> 0:03:14.721 I'm quiet as across that detail. 0:03:14.841 --> 0:03:18.881 Possibly before you were born, I'm guessing really likely. What's 0:03:19.881 --> 0:03:20.961 everything old is new again? 0:03:21.001 --> 0:03:21.761 They know, Brad. 0:03:21.761 --> 0:03:23.441 Anyway, nice to have you guys on the show. Look, 0:03:23.521 --> 0:03:27.721 let's let's rip into it, shall we. The first thing 0:03:28.121 --> 0:03:29.561 look just a quick thing. 0:03:29.761 --> 0:03:32.481 So we've got another pole out and it's the Taxpayer 0:03:32.601 --> 0:03:37.081 Unions Union Curier pole, and it has had several poles 0:03:37.161 --> 0:03:39.281 that have been bad news for the government. But it 0:03:39.321 --> 0:03:41.641 looks like it's switched around a bit and probably, of 0:03:41.641 --> 0:03:45.081 course Labor's fallen a few points. Inexplicably, the Greens are 0:03:45.161 --> 0:03:48.081 up to eleven points. I guess maybe the needge to 0:03:48.201 --> 0:03:51.001 that pole. Now it might be a bit different. New 0:03:51.081 --> 0:03:53.601 Zealand First is up two point three to seven point 0:03:53.681 --> 0:03:55.881 four and Act up two point three to ten percent. 0:03:56.321 --> 0:03:56.961 Here's the thing. 0:03:57.401 --> 0:03:59.161 When I saw it as another pole out, I thought, 0:03:59.241 --> 0:04:01.681 oh God, who cares? I mean, who cares about poles? 0:04:02.041 --> 0:04:04.401 I don't even really believe them because I look at 0:04:04.401 --> 0:04:06.281 the results on think, how can the Greens be on 0:04:06.321 --> 0:04:07.001 eleven percent? 0:04:08.161 --> 0:04:08.961 What do you think? 0:04:09.041 --> 0:04:11.641 What's your take on the polls, brad Oh, I. 0:04:11.681 --> 0:04:13.361 Mean they are a snapshot in time, but I mean, 0:04:13.401 --> 0:04:16.521 tim if they reflected exactly what you thought then that 0:04:16.721 --> 0:04:19.121 you know it'd be just one one party in power, 0:04:20.841 --> 0:04:24.121 just simply mathematically. And I think that's the thing. It 0:04:24.281 --> 0:04:28.041 just reflects the all encompassing views of a range of 0:04:28.121 --> 0:04:30.081 New Zealanders in this case. I think normally most of 0:04:30.121 --> 0:04:31.921 the poles are about a thousand people, but there are 0:04:31.921 --> 0:04:35.081 a thousand different people every time, So looking through those numbers, 0:04:35.161 --> 0:04:37.481 I don't take a lot pole to pole in the 0:04:37.521 --> 0:04:39.761 fact that you know anyone's up one or two points, 0:04:39.801 --> 0:04:42.481 because that's within the eraror margin. The fact that Label 0:04:42.601 --> 0:04:45.201 was down four point three points, a little bit above 0:04:45.241 --> 0:04:48.161 the era margin does sort of suggest is a little 0:04:48.161 --> 0:04:50.081 bit less there for them at the moment. But the 0:04:50.121 --> 0:04:52.401 fact that National didn't go up all that much, I mean, 0:04:52.521 --> 0:04:54.521 there's been a lot in the last couple of weeks 0:04:54.561 --> 0:04:57.401 You've had, of course the Prime Minister's trip to India 0:04:57.481 --> 0:04:59.681 that was quite successful on the international front, but a 0:04:59.721 --> 0:05:02.921 lot of questions being still back at home around delivery 0:05:03.001 --> 0:05:04.481 and particularly the economy. 0:05:04.881 --> 0:05:05.441 So so I think. 0:05:05.401 --> 0:05:08.361 Realistically it's probably that you look through a couple of 0:05:08.401 --> 0:05:10.401 the poles that have been released the last couple of weeks, 0:05:10.441 --> 0:05:13.601 people are still pretty questioning of where the economy's at, 0:05:13.921 --> 0:05:16.241 but also obviously showing a bit of frustration with the 0:05:16.281 --> 0:05:19.401 opposition too. That is probably we you'd expect to be, 0:05:19.561 --> 0:05:23.121 given where we are in the political cycle, sort of Midtermish. 0:05:24.121 --> 0:05:25.641 Irene. Do you follow the poles much? 0:05:26.681 --> 0:05:28.801 Oh, yes, I'm always interested. I mean, you know, as 0:05:28.841 --> 0:05:30.681 Brad says, they're kind of a snapshot, they're a bit 0:05:30.721 --> 0:05:33.921 of a guide and they are often affected by you know, 0:05:34.001 --> 0:05:36.841 who's just had a good week, month whatever. I mean, 0:05:37.361 --> 0:05:39.241 you know, looking at the bunch of them lately, you'd 0:05:39.281 --> 0:05:41.001 have to say that, you know, the two blocks are 0:05:41.041 --> 0:05:44.041 feely even. The two main parties are fairly even. I 0:05:44.121 --> 0:05:47.001 think they actually are quite important, even though they can 0:05:47.161 --> 0:05:50.721 sometimes be wrong. I think that I think, you know, 0:05:50.801 --> 0:05:54.521 it's a read for governments to kind of, you know, 0:05:54.921 --> 0:05:57.201 realize if they're doing what the people who voted for 0:05:57.321 --> 0:05:58.961 them kind of want them to be doing or not. 0:05:59.041 --> 0:06:01.001 I mean, I know they do their own internal polling, 0:06:01.241 --> 0:06:03.201 but I think it's good that we as the public 0:06:03.281 --> 0:06:05.481 are aware of polling as well. So yeah, I think 0:06:05.561 --> 0:06:08.441 polls are okay. The ones just before the election are 0:06:08.561 --> 0:06:09.441 quite often wrong. 0:06:09.601 --> 0:06:12.961 However, Yeah, Actually, I think the thing is is that 0:06:13.321 --> 0:06:16.081 so we see this and as a headline it's been 0:06:16.121 --> 0:06:17.841 good news for the government, and then we'll see another 0:06:17.881 --> 0:06:20.121 one done by a different polster being reported in a 0:06:20.161 --> 0:06:22.481 week or two or three, and it will look completely 0:06:22.561 --> 0:06:24.401 the opposite, and we seem to have so much swaying 0:06:24.441 --> 0:06:27.641 around that I'm wondering if we still have a way 0:06:27.681 --> 0:06:30.441 to go brown on the methodology and getting consistency that, 0:06:31.161 --> 0:06:35.121 for instance, re research versus the taxpayer union pole in 0:06:35.281 --> 0:06:37.961 my memory, and I don't lock these things too hard 0:06:38.001 --> 0:06:40.521 that they always tell a different story just because they're 0:06:40.521 --> 0:06:41.241 different polsters. 0:06:41.961 --> 0:06:44.001 Yeah, I mean you can see that throughout different poles. 0:06:44.041 --> 0:06:46.201 I mean, to be fair, if you had the Taxpayers 0:06:46.281 --> 0:06:48.961 Union that did one a week later, you'd probably get 0:06:49.001 --> 0:06:51.201 a different result. Again, I mean just because you're calling it. 0:06:51.441 --> 0:06:53.761 You've only got a thousand people that are polled in 0:06:53.841 --> 0:06:56.001 these when we've got what five million odd New Zealanders. 0:06:56.041 --> 0:06:57.921 You will get a different view every time. But they 0:06:57.961 --> 0:07:00.881 will generally trend around the same area what we generally do. 0:07:01.121 --> 0:07:03.361 And maybe it's less about what we do with the 0:07:03.441 --> 0:07:05.881 polls and maybe how we talk about that instead of 0:07:05.961 --> 0:07:08.641 referring just to the latest snapshot whenever it might have been. 0:07:09.001 --> 0:07:12.641 What often you see a lot of informed commentators do 0:07:12.801 --> 0:07:14.601 is they'll look through the latest polls. I'll sort of 0:07:14.681 --> 0:07:17.161 average the last three to five or so and go, look, 0:07:17.201 --> 0:07:19.441 what is there A bit of a broad trend Are 0:07:19.481 --> 0:07:21.721 things trending up trending down? You don't want to sort 0:07:21.721 --> 0:07:23.841 of look at one pole and think, oh, it's definitely 0:07:23.961 --> 0:07:26.121 the absolute gold stand and all the other ones beforehand 0:07:26.241 --> 0:07:27.841 was silly. You more want to try and take a 0:07:27.881 --> 0:07:30.241 bit of that overtime vibe shift. Is there a trend 0:07:30.321 --> 0:07:32.281 up for one party or a trend down? So I 0:07:32.321 --> 0:07:34.241 think that's where often we could do a little bit 0:07:34.321 --> 0:07:37.521 better as going, hey, is this showing better things overall 0:07:37.601 --> 0:07:40.241 for the government? Is there more concerned with the opposition 0:07:40.401 --> 0:07:42.841 how the minor party is doing? But again, we're also 0:07:42.921 --> 0:07:44.841 a long way away from an election, so what does 0:07:44.881 --> 0:07:45.201 it matter. 0:07:45.281 --> 0:07:47.161 What does it do to us? Not a lot. At 0:07:47.201 --> 0:07:47.481 the moment. 0:07:47.521 --> 0:07:49.801 It just sort of keeps us broadly informed with how 0:07:49.961 --> 0:07:52.521 people are trending, and at the moment things seem to 0:07:52.601 --> 0:07:55.001 be a little bit more even Stevens than before in 0:07:55.121 --> 0:07:56.681 terms of the blocks of power. 0:07:57.001 --> 0:07:59.641 Can I just ask it as an economist as a 0:07:59.801 --> 0:08:03.241 useful guide for us, because we hardly ever when there's 0:08:03.281 --> 0:08:05.601 a poll out And mind what I know, I never 0:08:05.721 --> 0:08:09.001 noticed that anyone actually acknowledges too much. By the way, 0:08:09.161 --> 0:08:11.641 this is within the margin of eraror can you explain 0:08:11.721 --> 0:08:13.921 to us, so people can when they hear the next 0:08:13.921 --> 0:08:16.241 pole come out, they can go put it in context. 0:08:16.481 --> 0:08:19.361 What is the margin of error and how significant is 0:08:19.401 --> 0:08:21.881 it when you get a point five percent shift out 0:08:21.921 --> 0:08:22.721 of one thousand people? 0:08:23.601 --> 0:08:24.881 Yep, So I mean most of the time you do 0:08:25.001 --> 0:08:27.201 see the margin of eraror reported, but it's often not 0:08:27.281 --> 0:08:29.201 put in as much context. So the pole that came 0:08:29.241 --> 0:08:31.081 out and we're talking about at the moment a thousand 0:08:31.121 --> 0:08:34.081 people were surveyed, it's got a maximum margin of era 0:08:34.281 --> 0:08:37.601 of three point one percent. So basically the long too 0:08:37.681 --> 0:08:39.921 long don't read there is if you've got a shift 0:08:40.081 --> 0:08:43.161 above three point one percent, hey yeah, it's material. It's 0:08:43.241 --> 0:08:45.361 it's sort of big enough to actually pay a bit 0:08:45.361 --> 0:08:48.521 of attention to if it's below three point one percent. 0:08:48.561 --> 0:08:50.761 So if it's point five percent, even if it's one percent, 0:08:51.001 --> 0:08:53.321 there's a question of is it a real genuine shift 0:08:53.441 --> 0:08:54.921 or is it just a little bit of noise in 0:08:54.961 --> 0:08:57.601 the data because you ask some different people are the 0:08:57.641 --> 0:09:00.841 same questions at different time, So realistically we start to 0:09:00.881 --> 0:09:02.641 get a lot more interested when you start to see 0:09:02.681 --> 0:09:05.321 those shifts over time. That's also where the averaging comes 0:09:05.361 --> 0:09:07.481 in so usefully, though, Like if you had one party 0:09:07.521 --> 0:09:09.441 on twenty five percent, and then over the course of 0:09:09.561 --> 0:09:12.161 five to seven polls it ended up on thirty five percent. 0:09:12.241 --> 0:09:14.961 That's pretty big, So every time you saw it wouldn't 0:09:14.961 --> 0:09:17.201 necessarily mean it was better worse for otherwise, but you 0:09:17.241 --> 0:09:19.121 do want to look at that trend. So generally, what 0:09:19.161 --> 0:09:21.681 you're trying to figure out is is this actual reality 0:09:21.841 --> 0:09:24.281 a big change, something noticeable, or is it just that 0:09:24.441 --> 0:09:26.841 a few different people have been asked a slightly different question. 0:09:27.161 --> 0:09:29.921 I've got one more question, sorry that Irene will want 0:09:29.921 --> 0:09:31.801 to chip in in a second, but not on the economics. 0:09:31.961 --> 0:09:34.921 Shaking your head, is it more significant when you if 0:09:34.961 --> 0:09:38.041 you are polling four or five percent, does it mean 0:09:38.121 --> 0:09:40.721 that the shifts that your experience need to be taken 0:09:40.761 --> 0:09:42.801 with a bigger grain assault than the big parties who 0:09:42.801 --> 0:09:44.801 are getting thirty three thirty four percent each? 0:09:45.401 --> 0:09:47.841 Well, well, basically, I mean if you're you know, I 0:09:47.921 --> 0:09:50.401 think there was a report about the likes of to 0:09:50.481 --> 0:09:54.641 party madia A who increased. I think I'm just looking 0:09:54.681 --> 0:09:57.961 through the numbers here. They fell two point two to 0:09:58.041 --> 0:10:00.761 four point three. I mean that says that their support haved. 0:10:01.081 --> 0:10:03.881 I mean, really, you know, do they really whips all 0:10:03.921 --> 0:10:06.441 that much likely hood is no, they didn't. It's just 0:10:06.561 --> 0:10:09.041 you're talking pretty small numbers there. Of course, it does 0:10:09.201 --> 0:10:12.561 meta for the political calculus, because five percent is that 0:10:12.641 --> 0:10:15.041 sort of magic threshold number, and it does matter how 0:10:15.081 --> 0:10:17.201 many people you get. But yeah, you should. I mean 0:10:17.241 --> 0:10:19.441 put it this way. I think take political polls with 0:10:19.521 --> 0:10:21.481 a grain of salt generally. Don't sort of look at 0:10:21.521 --> 0:10:23.361 the last one and go it's absolute gospl and all 0:10:23.361 --> 0:10:25.601 the other ones I just disregard, sort of got to 0:10:25.601 --> 0:10:27.561 put them in the mix with everything else you see 0:10:27.601 --> 0:10:29.441 out there, How many poles have come through? What other 0:10:29.521 --> 0:10:30.801 informations are out there? 0:10:31.001 --> 0:10:31.881 Have you ever been polled? 0:10:31.921 --> 0:10:32.281 Irene? 0:10:33.121 --> 0:10:33.161 No? 0:10:33.801 --> 0:10:34.241 No, me? 0:10:34.681 --> 0:10:38.361 No you Brad, Oh no, I'm gutted. I mean I'd 0:10:38.401 --> 0:10:39.841 love to. It'd be so interesting. 0:10:40.041 --> 0:10:42.561 I'm dying to be polled for the radio survey because 0:10:42.601 --> 0:10:44.801 they'd say, who do you listen to? I'd say the 0:10:44.841 --> 0:10:47.041 Weekend Collective all day long, every time it's on. Do 0:10:47.121 --> 0:10:48.441 you listen to anyone else? No? 0:10:51.841 --> 0:10:53.601 And who are you calling? Nix? I can prep them 0:10:53.641 --> 0:10:55.201 with the romance exactly. 0:10:55.761 --> 0:10:58.561 Anyway, let's move on to well, this is an awkward 0:10:58.561 --> 0:10:59.281 story for the Navy. 0:10:59.321 --> 0:10:59.601 Of course. 0:10:59.641 --> 0:11:02.441 The man and ma nui. I don't think there's anyone's 0:11:02.481 --> 0:11:06.721 surprise here, Irene. That was human there. And as we've learned, 0:11:06.721 --> 0:11:10.521 the failure to disengage in autopilot control as the root 0:11:10.601 --> 0:11:13.321 cause of the New Zealand Navy ship running aground and sinking. 0:11:14.321 --> 0:11:16.921 What's your what's your feeling about this? The damage that 0:11:17.161 --> 0:11:20.481 does to the impression that we get of I don't know. 0:11:20.521 --> 0:11:21.361 The Navy at least. 0:11:21.521 --> 0:11:22.401 Yeah, it's not great. 0:11:22.521 --> 0:11:22.721 Is it. 0:11:24.681 --> 0:11:25.081 Not great? 0:11:25.361 --> 0:11:25.801 Understand? 0:11:25.961 --> 0:11:28.561 Not good? Not good? 0:11:29.241 --> 0:11:32.041 And you know, it's been quite a serious I have 0:11:32.121 --> 0:11:34.121 a friend who's been up there working as part of 0:11:34.201 --> 0:11:37.281 a environmental missile to make sure, you know, to mitigate 0:11:37.361 --> 0:11:43.041 the potential damage there. Oh yeah, I mean I know 0:11:43.161 --> 0:11:45.121 I shouldn't on such a serious story, but there was 0:11:45.161 --> 0:11:47.641 a little part of me because part of it, yes, 0:11:47.721 --> 0:11:49.281 there was that auto part of the thing, but part 0:11:49.321 --> 0:11:53.081 of it was also an acceleration instead of a breaking incident. 0:11:53.161 --> 0:11:54.561 And I know so many people who have done that 0:11:54.641 --> 0:11:57.921 in a car. And you don't drive, so this is 0:11:58.001 --> 0:11:59.521 not you, and you think that you would do that 0:12:00.481 --> 0:12:03.881 in a fairy It's like it's kind of like no, no, no, no. 0:12:03.961 --> 0:12:06.481 No, no, no way back back back. 0:12:06.721 --> 0:12:08.881 Well, actually I think most of us would have guessed 0:12:08.921 --> 0:12:10.641 this almost because we saw it with the ferry that 0:12:10.761 --> 0:12:12.881 ran aground and the sounds. It wasn't that an autopilot 0:12:12.921 --> 0:12:15.921 thing as well, the cursored autopilot Brown. 0:12:16.681 --> 0:12:19.281 It was indeed, I mean and like like our you know, 0:12:19.441 --> 0:12:22.441 embarrassing that we did manage to speed up into a 0:12:22.521 --> 0:12:25.561 reef and then lose one hundred million dollar warship. We 0:12:25.601 --> 0:12:27.641 don't have a lot of them to start with, so, 0:12:27.761 --> 0:12:30.481 you know, losing something pretty pretty vital. I think the 0:12:30.561 --> 0:12:34.841 difficulty here, Wright, is that, like New Zealand's navy, we've 0:12:34.881 --> 0:12:37.441 got some good players, we've got some good ships, we've 0:12:37.481 --> 0:12:39.561 got some great people. But on this occasion, we just 0:12:39.641 --> 0:12:42.681 fell really really short of the mark. Why does that matter? Well, 0:12:42.721 --> 0:12:44.601 it's really hard for us to go back into the 0:12:44.641 --> 0:12:47.081 Pacific and say, hey, we're here to support you when 0:12:47.161 --> 0:12:48.921 the last time we did we sank a ship in 0:12:49.041 --> 0:12:52.801 someone else's brief. And the global sort of position here, 0:12:52.841 --> 0:12:55.321 Wright is that you know, international partners are saying, and 0:12:55.361 --> 0:12:58.841 they've started almost jokingly say it publicly, is New Zealand 0:12:58.921 --> 0:13:00.921 serious on this front? I mean, like, can we can 0:13:01.001 --> 0:13:03.001 we rely on New Zealand? So we've got to make 0:13:03.041 --> 0:13:05.441 sure that from this we take some pretty serious lessons, 0:13:05.481 --> 0:13:07.881 we do something pretty serious about it. The Navy has 0:13:07.961 --> 0:13:10.121 got to take this and move it forward and figure 0:13:10.121 --> 0:13:12.601 out what we do at the other side, because the 0:13:12.721 --> 0:13:15.401 training apparently just was an up to standard. I mean, Tim, 0:13:15.441 --> 0:13:17.121 I don't know if you've gone read the transcript, but 0:13:17.201 --> 0:13:19.961 some of the stuff that's been coming through it suggests that, look, 0:13:20.041 --> 0:13:22.441 we just weren't as in control as what we needed 0:13:22.481 --> 0:13:24.521 to be and that is a fundamental failure. 0:13:25.681 --> 0:13:26.881 Yes, it'd be interesting to see. 0:13:26.881 --> 0:13:28.801 Actually, just reminds me of the budget that's coming up, 0:13:28.881 --> 0:13:31.361 that what we're going to announce for our defense spending, 0:13:31.441 --> 0:13:33.961 because we are I think there's some pressure on us 0:13:34.001 --> 0:13:36.281 to look like we're taking it seriously. So anyway, look 0:13:36.321 --> 0:13:38.681 on to other things. The Green the story with the 0:13:38.721 --> 0:13:42.521 Greens this week with the Green MP Benjamin Doyle with 0:13:42.921 --> 0:13:47.801 appropriate inappropriate language next to photos on social media, the 0:13:47.921 --> 0:13:52.641 Greens saying that context is critical and actually they've had 0:13:52.641 --> 0:13:54.001 a bit of a caning from one of the people 0:13:54.001 --> 0:13:56.121 who broke the story, Ani O'Brien for saying, look, you 0:13:56.161 --> 0:13:58.001 know you're saying that this is normal for all of 0:13:58.121 --> 0:14:01.441 us and trying to group all people in the LGBTQI community. 0:14:02.001 --> 0:14:05.521 Here's my quick take before I go to you, Irene. Tragically, 0:14:05.601 --> 0:14:07.761 for the Greens, this is going to keep giving because 0:14:07.801 --> 0:14:09.641 if they did decide they needed to make some sort 0:14:09.681 --> 0:14:11.081 of change, they'll be the last to do it and 0:14:11.201 --> 0:14:13.001 it'll take them months and months and months. 0:14:13.041 --> 0:14:15.321 But what did you think of this whole story? 0:14:16.241 --> 0:14:19.641 Well, unlike you Tim who cruelly said earlier in the program, 0:14:19.721 --> 0:14:22.521 you couldn't understand how ten percent of New Zealand voted 0:14:22.601 --> 0:14:26.001 for the Greens, I can, because you know, mostly they're 0:14:26.041 --> 0:14:28.481 there as an environmental wing, and I think a lot 0:14:28.561 --> 0:14:31.121 of people support that. I think where they start to 0:14:31.201 --> 0:14:33.881 come acropper is when they start getting into culture wars 0:14:34.121 --> 0:14:36.641 and tribal stuff and so on and so forth, and 0:14:36.681 --> 0:14:40.801 we start to lose people. To be fair, I can 0:14:41.041 --> 0:14:44.921 see what Chloe Schwarbrick was trying to say, because it 0:14:45.081 --> 0:14:51.961 is entirely possible that this person hasn't really done anything wrong, 0:14:52.641 --> 0:14:55.321 that the post was just a bit of you know, 0:14:55.681 --> 0:15:00.161 silly lingo, so on and so forth. Hard to really know, 0:15:01.401 --> 0:15:06.641 and I think that Benjamin Doyle needs to speak well, 0:15:06.761 --> 0:15:13.081 actually address things. Was it just a silly, lighthearted comment 0:15:14.001 --> 0:15:17.441 and actually they're a good person and there's nothing to 0:15:17.521 --> 0:15:19.081 worry about or what. 0:15:20.121 --> 0:15:25.041 Well, yes, indeed, just to pick you up on one 0:15:25.041 --> 0:15:26.681 of the things that I've picked up and talked aback 0:15:26.721 --> 0:15:29.601 with people who might otherwise be Green voters is that 0:15:29.961 --> 0:15:31.761 the last thing they are is Green's at the moment, 0:15:31.801 --> 0:15:35.241 and they should rename themselves the Red Party because the 0:15:35.601 --> 0:15:38.401 environmental issues. I mean that the ghost of I picture 0:15:38.441 --> 0:15:42.121 the political ghost of James Shaw just being. 0:15:42.401 --> 0:15:44.601 And that's what you hear people saying, don't you. They say, 0:15:44.681 --> 0:15:47.441 this is not James Shaw, this is not Rod and Jeanette. 0:15:47.681 --> 0:15:49.801 Where you know where they're going, and I think it is. 0:15:50.441 --> 0:15:54.121 It is the wander over into cultural wars, tribal land. 0:15:55.321 --> 0:15:58.001 I mean, someone like myself, if they really were just 0:15:58.401 --> 0:15:59.401 the Green Party. 0:16:00.601 --> 0:16:02.481 I mean, that's the whole thing. I mean, I think 0:16:02.481 --> 0:16:04.721 a lot of us care about green issues, but it's 0:16:04.761 --> 0:16:06.961 a cry from it. But Brad, this issue is going 0:16:07.001 --> 0:16:09.161 to keep on giving because at some stage Benjamin Door 0:16:09.281 --> 0:16:13.281 is going to return to Parliament and probably play the 0:16:13.361 --> 0:16:15.601 victim card about threats and all that sort of thing, 0:16:15.641 --> 0:16:18.281 And the last thing they will do is actually address 0:16:18.401 --> 0:16:20.721 the appropriateness of those texts, which, to be clear, to 0:16:20.801 --> 0:16:24.401 people had sexualized language and with photos with children in them, 0:16:24.481 --> 0:16:27.521 including an emoji which is an emoji which is the 0:16:27.761 --> 0:16:30.361 other meaning for it as an emoji for pedophilia. So 0:16:30.761 --> 0:16:32.201 it was pretty dodgy. 0:16:32.001 --> 0:16:32.601 Sort of stuff. 0:16:32.721 --> 0:16:34.681 Anyway, they're going to keep giving, aren't they, as a 0:16:34.721 --> 0:16:37.321 gift for the newsmakers. 0:16:37.681 --> 0:16:40.721 Well, I mean, look, people have asked questions. And let's 0:16:40.761 --> 0:16:43.961 be quite realistic here. If you are becoming a politician, 0:16:44.081 --> 0:16:47.561 the scrutiny is intense. The people are have elected you 0:16:47.721 --> 0:16:50.801 to represent them, they are paying your salary. That scrutiny 0:16:50.881 --> 0:16:53.441 comes through and it looks at stuff that happened even 0:16:53.521 --> 0:16:55.681 before you were a politician. I mean to say that 0:16:55.801 --> 0:16:57.921 this is sort of you know, private and shouldn't be 0:16:57.921 --> 0:17:00.441 in the public eye, or the horse has already bolted 0:17:00.561 --> 0:17:03.881 on that front. People are asking questions and I do 0:17:04.041 --> 0:17:06.201 expect that at some point Doyle will have to front 0:17:06.281 --> 0:17:09.241 up on these conversations because people are going, well, what 0:17:09.641 --> 0:17:12.241 is this all about? And let's be real if we 0:17:12.361 --> 0:17:15.041 look at other politicians out there across the spectrum, if 0:17:15.081 --> 0:17:18.081 they've done something similar or of a very different vein, 0:17:18.161 --> 0:17:19.761 but in the same sort of thing, and it appeared 0:17:19.801 --> 0:17:22.201 on their social media. I'm pretty sure that we would 0:17:22.321 --> 0:17:25.521 be hounding them for answers. Same same across the board, 0:17:25.601 --> 0:17:28.441 no matter what political party, no matter what you are 0:17:29.041 --> 0:17:31.761 the posters about or similar. There are questions that are 0:17:31.881 --> 0:17:33.481 asked and they do want to be answered. 0:17:33.721 --> 0:17:35.601 I can put it in more bluntly than that, if 0:17:35.641 --> 0:17:37.761 I posted something with a sexual reference with one of 0:17:37.841 --> 0:17:40.961 my children in the photo, I would have been gone yesterday. 0:17:41.521 --> 0:17:45.561 It'd be whatever happened to Tim Beveridge as opposed to 0:17:45.961 --> 0:17:48.561 know it would be let's be honest. But somehow they'll 0:17:48.641 --> 0:17:50.961 keep pushing back and somehow they're the victims in it all. 0:17:51.401 --> 0:17:54.121 I do think it's important to highlight that the likes 0:17:54.161 --> 0:17:56.281 of death threats in that that have been leveled against 0:17:56.361 --> 0:18:00.041 Ail are completely completely inappropriate, and that is not how 0:18:00.161 --> 0:18:02.841 we go about this conversation. The media are asking questions 0:18:02.881 --> 0:18:04.881 and that's the appropriate way to do it. But I 0:18:05.081 --> 0:18:07.441