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Speaker 1: Afternoon, there is a call for a Royal Commission of

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Speaker 1: Inquiry into the forensic mental health system. This comes after

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Speaker 1: two people were recently killed by mental health patients, both

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Speaker 1: after each of these patients had already killed someone before.

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Speaker 1: Matt Doosey is the Mental Health Minister and with us now,

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Speaker 1: hoy Matt, hi Heather, what do you think should we

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Speaker 1: have met a Royal Commission of inquiry.

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Speaker 2: For those individual cases you're talking about? There is independent

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Speaker 2: reviews underway and coronial inquests, so I won't be commenting

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Speaker 2: until they've been completed.

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Speaker 1: Can you not tell us whether you're leaning towards a

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Speaker 1: Royal Commission of inquiry or not?

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Speaker 2: No, Like I say, there is an independent review coronial

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Speaker 2: inquest that they'll make findings and recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon? These are the only two cases.

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Speaker 2: The story? Only two cases of what?

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Speaker 1: Are these the only two cases of people who have

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Speaker 1: killed twice once while they're already in mental health care?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, I'm not aware of any others.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's your remarkable that we have two

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Speaker 1: cases already? Because that's quite staggering, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I suppose that's why we have the independent

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Speaker 2: reviews and the coronial inquests.

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Speaker 1: How when you found out about this were you alarmed?

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at mental health, we've got

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Speaker 2: people under the Compulsory Mental Health Act. I mean, in

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Speaker 2: mental health it is about treatment and risk. But our

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Speaker 2: settings for our mental health patients are in legislation, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we do need to go through

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Speaker 2: the appropriate process.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that perhaps we've got the settings wrong? Right? So,

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Speaker 1: in at least one of the cases, this is the

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Speaker 1: killing of faith Alps, the family of Faith Alps feel

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Speaker 1: that her rights to know that the guy who was

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Speaker 1: turning out up at her house to do the gardening

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Speaker 1: was a mental health patient, that right was lesser than

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Speaker 1: his right to privacy that she shouldn't know that he's

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Speaker 1: a mental health patient. Have we got that balance a

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Speaker 1: bit funny?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I would be expecting to be looked

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Speaker 2: at with the external review and the cronial inquest, to

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Speaker 2: be looking at those issues around clinical decision making.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I want to ask you this a question again, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Were you alarmed when you heard about these cases?

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Speaker 2: Well? I'm always alarmed when sadly someone loses their life,

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Speaker 2: and also when there's serious offenses. So of course I

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Speaker 2: am genuinely alarmed, and that's why I'm ensuring that there

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Speaker 2: is an independent review and a coronial inquest, and I

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Speaker 2: would expect them to look at the clinical decisions made

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Speaker 2: in each of those cases.

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Speaker 1: How long do these I mean, you know these things

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Speaker 1: take years, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily? But I think quite rightly the questions you

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Speaker 2: are raising, I would expect the external reviews and the

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Speaker 2: cronial inquest to be answering those questions. That's why we undertake.

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Speaker 1: Them, because the reason I ask you about how long

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Speaker 1: it's going to take is in the meantime, we're all

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Speaker 1: sitting here wondering what is going on with the mental

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Speaker 1: health system that two of these blokes have been able

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Speaker 1: to go and kill for a second time.

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Speaker 2: Like I say, the settings around our mental health patients,

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Speaker 2: whether they are granted special leaves or other types of leave,

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Speaker 2: are legislated for so I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know that I don't know that that's the problem. This

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Speaker 1: chap was telling them that if they kicked him out

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Speaker 1: of the hospital, if they discharged him, he would be

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Speaker 1: chopping up bodies, and yet apparently nobody, and there were

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Speaker 1: multiple times that he was talking about going on to

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Speaker 1: commit a second murder, and none of those red flags

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Speaker 1: were noticed by anybody. I mean, is the problem the

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Speaker 1: fact that he was allowed out, or is the problem

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Speaker 1: that everybody just heard him talking about murdering people and

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Speaker 1: chopping them up and they thought, oh, nothing big, no

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Speaker 1: big deal. Isn't that the actual problem?

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Speaker 2: Well? I would expect those questions to be answered through

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Speaker 2: the external review and a cronew in quest.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Matt, thank you, appreciate your time. Matt Doocy,

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Speaker 1: Minister of Mental Health.

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