1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: Right, Let's meet a keew we at the cutting edge 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: of the robotics and self driving car game. Dave Ferguson. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: He left Google, where he was working for Weimo to 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: set up his own company in Neuro. Their capital rais 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: involved in video No Less and Uber, as well as 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: New Zealand's ice House ventures. Now Neuro's value these days 7 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: at over ten billion New Zealand dollars a day. Ferguson's 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: with US out of San Francisco. 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Good morning, Thanks Mike, good to be here. 10 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: At what stage is Neuro at in terms of delivery, 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: the capital raise, the money out there, access to it, 12 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: et cetera. 13 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Well, we've raised just over two billion dollars, so in 14 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: terms of capital raised, I think we've done pretty well overall. 15 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: We're nine years into our journey and we very recently 16 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 2: signed a pretty big commercial deal with Uber where we're 17 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: going to be building a robotaxi. That Robotaxi will launch 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: at the end of twenty twenty six. 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: As far as the capital raise is concerned, in names 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: like Uber and in Vidia, how much of that name 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: association is important to what you do. 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: Well? I think for us at it's more the strategic 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: partnership that is part of the investment that they're making 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: that is important. So it's not so much the name, 25 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: but rather what we're doing together. 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: When you were working with Google and Waimo, I mean, 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: was it always your intention to go out and do 28 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: your own thing or no? 29 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Actually I loved working at Google, and 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: my co founder and I worked together there. We met 31 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: at Google and we worked together for about five years 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: before deciding to branch out on our own and starting neuro. 33 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: I think I was probably a reluctant entrepreneur. It wasn't 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: something that I'd ever planned, but we were very excited 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: about the potential role we could have really working on 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: robotics generally, not so much self driving in particular, but 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: this has become the first application that we're working on. 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: What do you make of self driving as a concept. 39 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: I read obsurvey the other day that I can't even 40 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: remember who did it. But as far as Tesla specifically 41 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: was concern, only fourteen percent of people thought that the 42 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: ability to be driven would attract you to a brand. 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: Is that something you need to battle or change? 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: I think personally, I think it's a terrible idea. That's 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: why I've devoted much of my career towards it. Look 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: I think that the safety benefits that we're going to get, 47 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: the improvement and access, the sustainability, the economic benefits, the 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: time back, it's going to be an incredible product, and 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: I think in a pretty incredible part of society long term. 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: I do think that there is a journey that we 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: need to go on together with the public around acceptance. 52 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: But I can say that almost everyone that I've ever 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: known who has been in a Weimo, which is the 54 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: only fully self driving vehicle, you know, Tesla's just a 55 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: driver assistant system right now. Everyone that's been in a 56 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: Weimo in San Francisco absolutely loves it, and if they 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: were skeptics beforehand, their converts almost immediately after the. 58 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Journey of Weimo. Just in terms of robotaxis, where they 59 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: do it, in what cities and jurisdictions in America, the 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: trials the rules of regulations, has that been slower than 61 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: you would have liked? 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: I think from a regulatory perspective, it's been about as expected. 63 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: There is. The challenge with the states is that the 64 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: federal government regulates vehicles and each state regulates drivers. So 65 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: when you have a self driving vehicle. You have both 66 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: the vehicle and the driver in one and so you 67 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: have to deal with regulations on both the federal and 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: state level, and so that becomes a little bit more complicated. 69 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: But there are a number of states, including California, where 70 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: you can do full driverless operation, and those are obviously 71 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: the first states that companies are expanding it. 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: What's the issue the biggest issue you face is it 73 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: the tech or is it government? 74 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: I think for now it's still the tech. I think 75 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: Weymover has proven that it's possible to build incredibly safe technology, 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: and I think we have two through the driverless deployments 77 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: that we've made as a company. But there's still a 78 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: pretty significant challenge in scaling that tech, particularly in a 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: very economically feasible way, basically doing it fast enough and 80 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: cheap enough. 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: It strikes me that if you're in certain areas of life, 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: chips is one, your area is another. There's a lot 83 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: of money out there to be grabbed if you want it. 84 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: Is that fair or not? 85 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: I think the autonomous vehicle industry has had a tough 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: couple of years, to be honest, Mike, We've seen almost 87 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: every company shut down that was working in their space 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: about three years ago, including some of the biggest companies 89 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: in the world, like Uber had their own effort that 90 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: shut down. Apple had their own internal effort that shut down. 91 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: So I do think we've gone through a period where 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: it was much much sort of a trough of disillusionment 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: around av in general. I think now we're coming out 94 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: of that, and WEIMO is big part of that because 95 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: they've shown that the tech is there and so now 96 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: it is just a scale and economics question, and so 97 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: I think the capital is coming back to the space, 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: particularly for the players that look like they're going to 99 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: be strong enough to actually deliver on this. 100 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: How did you survive? 101 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: We were fortunate to raise quite a lot of money 102 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: through twenty twenty one. Our last fundraise before this current one, 103 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: which is our series, was at the end of twenty 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: twenty one. At that point we had I think roughly 105 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: a billion dollars on the balance sheet, and so we 106 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: had a pretty good coffer wather to weather the storm, 107 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: and we cut our expenses, we reduced our team unfortunately, 108 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: and we really focused on just delivering on the autonomy 109 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: on the tech side, and fortunately we had enough runway 110 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: to really make it through the lean periods, and now 111 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: with many of the other competitors gone, I think we're 112 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: in a really good position with the maturity of the 113 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: tech to actually forge partnerships like the one and to 114 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: make this a reality. 115 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: All right, right, let's move it forward. So I go 116 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: into the future to buy a car with your robotics in, 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: do I say versus somebody else's? Right? So, would that 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: be from my point of view, the punter's point of view, 119 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: a commercial choice, a sales choice or whatever, or is 120 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: it going to be different from that? 121 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: Yes, I believe so. I think we're going to have 122 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: fleets of vehicles much like the Robotaxi that we're building 123 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: now with Uber, that will be owned by mobility companies. 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: So Uber will have a bunch of their own av 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: fleets that they operate, but you'll also have the opportunity 126 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: as a consumer to buy a personally owned vehicle that 127 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: will have autonomy on it. And for Neuro, we are 128 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: working very hard to play in both spaces, so we're 129 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: forming partnerships on the mobility side. We're also forming partnerships 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: with the car manufacturers so that we can be part 131 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: of a future vehicle that you or someone else might 132 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: choose to buy for your own use. 133 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: But would I see I've got a million questions about 134 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: the car makers, But would I buy Neuro Would I go, 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm buying that because it's got neural on board as 136 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: to somebody else's products, like a good set of abs 137 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: breaks or some Elkintara interior or a good color scheme 138 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: or something. 139 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think it's going to be 140 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: a differentiator. Now, it may not be the case that 141 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: you would pick the same car and you have a 142 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: trim that is a NEUROAV system versus some other AV provider. 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: There may only be one per vehicle, but I think 144 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: it will make a differences whether you choose to buy 145 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: a Corolla that has neuro or you choose to buy 146 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: a Forward that has some other. 147 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: AV What about the car makers, do you perceive a 148 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: problem of one then getting in the market and purchasing 149 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: them stuff as opposed to say, doing it themselves or 150 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: and or what they're prepared to pay for it versus 151 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: what you're prepared to sell it for. 152 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: It's an incredibly tough technical challenge, Mike and I think 153 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: we've seen through the last few years how difficult it 154 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: is for OEMs to build it themselves. Now, there's a 155 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: lot of variety in the OEM, the automotive sort of 156 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: automaker is field, where some of them are very technically 157 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: savvy and some of them are much less so, And 158 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: so I think we will see some of them continue 159 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: to try to go it alone. That's a very small subset. 160 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: These days, most of them are going to partner with 161 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: av providers like neuro so that they can have the 162 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: absolute bend class technology to provide to their customers. 163 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: And how will it roll out for me as a punter? 164 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: Do I buy or will it be in my car 165 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: as an early version? So in other words, once you 166 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: crack it, once you get the regulatory tick off, and 167 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: it's in the car, what's the advance from that first 168 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: day to three years, seven years, tenures down the track 169 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: where it does something that maybe we can't even imagine. 170 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: So that's a great question. I think the way that 171 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: we will see it roll out and to personally owned 172 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: vehicles is that it will actually be a product that 173 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: improves over time. So the simplest way to think about 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: it is your vehicle will have the hardware, it'll have 175 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: the eyes and ears, the cameras and light ears, and 176 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: radars that will enable it to drive itself, but on 177 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: day one it may own do that in certain areas, 178 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: so maybe it'll only drive itself on highway so you 179 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: can have breakfast or run a radio show from the 180 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: front set of your car on the way to work 181 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: while it's on the highway. And then over time the 182 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: software will improve with the same hardware, so you won't 183 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: have to upgrade your car, and it will expand the 184 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: areas over which it can do fully driverless or fully 185 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: autonomous behavior. So it will be what you hint to that, 186 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: which is a product that should continue to get better 187 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: and better over the years. 188 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: Is it subscription potentially over rear downloads, all that sort 189 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, So you get the base in the car, 190 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and then you want the upgrade, like you want the 191 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: heated seats, you pay seven dollars a month and you're in. Yeah. 192 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 2: I think that particularly for the higher levels of autonomy, 193 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: so we in the industry we sort of differentiate between 194 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: a system that is sort of helping you personally drive 195 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: versus a system that is taking full control over the car. 196 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: I think as we get to those higher levels where 197 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: you can have an app or you can not even 198 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: be in the car those levels. I'm pretty confident they're 199 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: going to be subscription based because they just provide so 200 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: much value and that will be the easiest way to 201 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: recoup the investment and frankly, to reduce the upfront costs 202 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: of a vehicle to the end consumer as well. 203 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Do you have an age issue of you counched any 204 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: of that data? Older people going I love my car, 205 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: this is mental, I'm never doing this, versus the eighteen 206 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: year old ago is bring it on, I can't wait. 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: Will that be a hurdle or not? Do you think not? 208 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: Really? I think what we've seen through a lot of 209 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: the surveys is, again, once people experience it, they're pretty 210 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: excited about it, Mike, And you can imagine the elderly 211 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: at some point they're no longer super comfortable or confident 212 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: in driving, either it's too much of a hassle, or 213 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: as the age they become less excited about taking that 214 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: on themselves. And so you do have a lot of 215 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: variety within the different age groups. But at the end 216 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: of the day, if you can have a product that 217 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: is safer, so basically better than you driving in terms 218 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: of safety, and it can be incredibly low cost. Then 219 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: the result is just a product that makes a lot 220 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: of sense to every age group. Frankly. 221 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: And then when you've done it, Dave, then what for you? 222 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: What's next when. 223 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: We've solved such Oh I don't know's that's still a 224 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: we was way Mike. You know, the startup experience has 225 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: been an absolute right of a lifetime. It's been incredibly difficult, 226 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: by far, the hardest thing I've ever done, but it's 227 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: also been an incredibly fulfilling journey. So my wife says, 228 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to start another company. I don't know if 229 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: I've got that in me. But there's still a long 230 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: way to go with getting this to scale worldwide. You know, 231 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: we lose one point two million people every year in 232 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: road accidents. Like there's a long way for us to 233 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: go to realize these benefits and actually put a massive 234 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: dent in that. 235 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: All right, Dave, go well, appreciate it. We'll stay in touch. 236 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Dave ferguson Kiwee in San Francisco, as company is Neurope. 237 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen to news 238 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the 239 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio.