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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the sack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Former MP

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Speaker 2: Marilyn Wearing on her pay equity report, Mercury's chief executive

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Speaker 2: Stu Hamilton on the half year results looking pretty good.

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Speaker 2: And Westpac on why Cantabrians have more savings than Auckland's

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen So. The People's Select Committee of the

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Speaker 2: former MPs has reported back today and completely unsurprisingly has

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Speaker 2: slammed the government for scrapping the pay equity law last year,

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Speaker 2: which is fair enough in some ways. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: was a shoddy process. The MPs say it offends the

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Speaker 2: rule of law. They're probably right. It was done in

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Speaker 2: a hurry to save last year's budget. It was rushed

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Speaker 2: through under urgency, changed the rules retrospectively. It's all really

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Speaker 2: cynical stuff from a government, and too much of that

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Speaker 2: stuff undermines confidence in the way that the system works.

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Speaker 2: But even though they make some fair points and mount

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Speaker 2: some fair criticism of the way that Nikola Willis and

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Speaker 2: Brook van Valden ran this thing out. I can't get

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Speaker 2: past the next question I have, which is, so what

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Speaker 2: what do these former MPs think or happen as a

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Speaker 2: result of this report? The pay equity scheme will not

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Speaker 2: be brought back in the way that it was. It's

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Speaker 2: miles too expensive. The cost to the government was estimated

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Speaker 2: the entire economy would be much much higher. The former

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Speaker 2: MPs want parties to make it a bottom line to

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Speaker 2: reintroduce it after the selection. No party can credibly say

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Speaker 2: large debt. Chippy will make noises about bringing it back,

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Speaker 2: but press him a little bit harder, ask him where

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Speaker 2: get any sufficient responses on that. Ultimately, I think that

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Speaker 2: It was bad lawmaking.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: There were people who were hurt by it.

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Speaker 2: It's fair to criticize it, but where do you get

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Speaker 4: Heather duper Sye Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two of the text number standard text feed

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Speaker 2: apply and as of course, Marilyn Wearing is with us

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Speaker 2: after five Now it looks like there's been another big

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Speaker 2: health hack. This time it's the online medication platform medimap.

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Speaker 2: As a result, some patients who are very much alive

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Speaker 2: their names changed to Charlie Kirk Nadia Yusuf as the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand manager for Cisolens High Nadia, Hi.

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Speaker 5: How are you well?

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Speaker 6: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Are the details of this one as bizarre to you

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Speaker 5: Well, the details around this one missing and this is

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Speaker 5: a really key difference between this one and Manage my Health,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So why would hackers and we are assuming it's

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Speaker 5: There's all sorts of silly reasons that people would do something.

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Speaker 5: You know, sabotaged like this, and part of it might

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Speaker 5: I can do it, and I want to show you

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Speaker 5: that I can. But you know, it's well, it is

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Speaker 5: a crime, but it's not quite as severe as extortion

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Speaker 2: Do we know though, that there is no extortion or

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Speaker 5: This is not much information at all that's come out

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Speaker 2: If and we're making an assumption here, but if they

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Speaker 2: it for the ransom in order to extort the money

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Speaker 5: Like any business, I guess there's a range of different

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Speaker 2: That, because it's embarrass pretty horrendous.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so, people could you know, feasibly extort you

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Speaker 5: it's it's a horrible, heinous crime and hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 2: Now, have we got a problem here that we've had

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Speaker 2: two of these big hacks and just a couple months.

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Speaker 5: It's not a good indication. Certainly, two and two months

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Speaker 5: don't know that that's going to calm down. We've seen

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Speaker 5: definitely not slowing down. And AI is making it a

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Speaker 2: Nadia, if you are a person out there who does

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Speaker 5: It's very hard to know. Different different offices, different gps

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Speaker 5: I tend to suggest to people is that once something's

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Speaker 7: Nadia.

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Speaker 2: Always good to talk to you. Thanks for running us

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Speaker 2: through at Nadia. Usef new Zealand manager for Sisolens. So

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Speaker 2: if you've got embarrassing stuff on there, get it off.

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Speaker 2: What about this though, lead story in the BBC's BBC

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Speaker 2: World's Bulletin at two o'clock today our time.

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Speaker 8: Hello that I'm A'm Janagadgil Welcome to the program. New

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Speaker 8: Zealand's Prime Minister says his country we're back legislation to

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Speaker 8: remove Andrew Mountbattam Windsor from the Royal Order of Succession.

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Speaker 8: In a statement, a spokesperson for Christopher Luxon wrote, if

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Speaker 8: the UK guar proposes to remove Andrew Mountbatten Windsor from

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we're hardly going to stand the liner now.

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Speaker 2: We really want him in there. The reason this has

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Speaker 2: Assie wrote to Kirstana in the UK said basically the

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Speaker 2: same thing. We've jumped on the back of that. We'll

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Speaker 2: Hither. It is possible the medical thing is a mistake

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Speaker 2: by a systems tester who didn't realize they were on

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Speaker 2: the production system. Steve would explain why there's such a

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Speaker 2: lack of detail, but anyway, we'll find out as it

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Speaker 2: Where's Chris Lindram quit?

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Speaker 6: There was this huge revolving door policy going on in

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Speaker 6: ask them to jump with your porschtoores this part of process. Lindo,

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Speaker 6: Maybe to relieve some of the stresses on one man

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Speaker 6: It's big. Like I understand, when you've got family pressures

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Speaker 6: Well, I find that one interesting. But look, and I

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Speaker 2: Bag with Lindo Lendo at seven.

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Speaker 4: He's not my friend.

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Speaker 6: I've never met the guy.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 12: To the government of putting two hundred million into Genesis

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Speaker 13: We are on the side of making sure that EA

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Speaker 12: We all agree that we need more capacity, and I

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Speaker 13: Well, in this case, if we didn't take part, we

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Speaker 4: Say I get that, who cares well?

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Speaker 13: I think you'd find that one of my coalition partners

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Speaker 1: B, cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive. Where's one New Zealand coverage Like

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Speaker 2: They'd be Darcy clarified what he was meaning about meeting

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Speaker 2: just to know Chris Lendram comes from a very good family,

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Speaker 2: very cool people. Now Mercury pretty good for them. They

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Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 1: talk said, be sole judiful.

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Speaker 4: So can you come your.

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Speaker 2: Savings data from Westpacview, which I think is kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: you'll find the best savers, probably because those are the

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Speaker 2: Now my question about this is this, is this the

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Speaker 2: when they're with us. Just after the quarter passed five

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Speaker 2: right now are bary sober? By the way, it's ten

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Tourists in Mexico have been left stranded there amid the

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Speaker 14: There is more calm and there is government. There are

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Speaker 2: Over In Australia, the Royal Commission into the BONDI attack

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Speaker 2: the Commission will face some restrictions.

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Speaker 15: This Commission must do its work without risking any prejudice

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Speaker 15: to that criminal proceeding. Leading evidence of this Commission from

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Speaker 2: And finally, the US women's hockey team has had a

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Speaker 2: They said, So Rapper Flavor Flave has now invited the

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Speaker 2: and he said the Bob sledd and the skeleton teams

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 2: I'd be more excited for them if I knew who

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Speaker 2: the rapper Flavor Flav was. Murray Old's Australia correspondence with

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Speaker 16: You wouldn't want to missed that big one.

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Speaker 2: Would you know, I mean you you're a huge collector

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Speaker 2: talk to me about what prompted Elbow to send this

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Speaker 16: Well, I don't know. Is it a distraction from his

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Speaker 16: there's no secret he's been a Republican his entire life.

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Speaker 16: He's been in public life ever since he was a

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Speaker 16: He's currently eighth in line. They want to get rid

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Speaker 16: is Dear Prime Minister Starma. Of course they cross it

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Speaker 16: out and say Dear Kier. In light of recent events

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Speaker 16: The law now must take its full course and there

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Speaker 16: I guess no surprise that Australia would take the stand

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Speaker 2: Now, given as we were just saying in the world

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Speaker 16: I think a lot of it's going to be in camera,

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Speaker 16: Dai Beach. So to that extent, I mean Virginia Bell

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Speaker 16: But you know, I spoke this morning to the Executive

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Speaker 16: Council of Australian Jury. This has been going on basically

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Speaker 16: ever since the first fleet arrived in Australia. There are

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Speaker 16: quite a few Jewish guys on there who had been

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Speaker 16: convicted of crimes and they say it's been going on

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Speaker 16: ever since. So the Executive Council of Australian Jury says

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Speaker 16: this Royal Commission was the quote here. It's not really

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Speaker 16: a question for the Jewish community. In many ways, it's

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Speaker 16: a character test for Australia as a nation. And I

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Speaker 16: also spoke to the Jewish Board of Deputies and Michelle

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Speaker 16: Goldman told me that basically this is an opportunity for

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Speaker 16: all Australia to walk in the shoes of Jews who

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Speaker 16: daily have to go about their business getting you know,

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Speaker 16: sledged and getting reviled and so on. Now she wants

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Speaker 16: the commission to be held in public as much as

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Speaker 16: possible to examine how and why anti Semitism is taking

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Speaker 16: such deep roots in Australian society, and to make sure

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Speaker 16: we understand what's happened so it can never happen again.

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Speaker 16: This is very very significant, very deeply important for the

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Speaker 16: Jewish people, but also I think to every Australian heather

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Speaker 16: he says, how the hell did this happen in this country,

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Speaker 16: of all countries, for goodness sake, the same as New

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Speaker 16: Zealand that a hole from bloody northern New South Wales.

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Speaker 16: How can it happen in our countries?

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's a fair question to ask. Now, how are

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Speaker 2: you feeling about this Trump Tower? You excited? You're going

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Speaker 2: to go see us?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 16: I'm on the edge of my seat. I mean, there's

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Speaker 16: a slight, a slight. I mean you know this guy's

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Speaker 16: where is his name? He's a Gold Coast property developer,

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Speaker 16: Say no more. His name is David Young. He's the

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Speaker 16: chief executive of something called Eltis and he apparently, he says,

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Speaker 16: he signed the deal with Trump Junior, one of the

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Speaker 16: junior Trumps at Mara Lago and Florida on February fourteenth,

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Speaker 16: so ten days ago. He says, three hundred and forty

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Speaker 16: meters in height, ninety one stories. It'll be the tallest

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Speaker 16: in Australia. He said, two hundred and seventy apartments. Heather

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Speaker 16: like you to start at five million, a sixtar luxury resort,

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Speaker 16: high end retail of beach clubs, swimming pools, restaurants. He

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Speaker 16: says there were misconceptions about Trump towers. These projects are

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Speaker 16: going to be quote tasteful and expensive, but sadly, sadly

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Speaker 16: for mister Young, the ABC's reigned slightly in his parade.

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Speaker 16: Reporting at lunchtime today he's at two times bankrupt. So

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Speaker 16: whether or not it gets beyond the you know, I'm

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Speaker 16: holding a news conferences afternoon and the name Trump's going

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Speaker 16: to be mentioned. Get along quick. Let's just wait and see.

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Speaker 16: But certainly grand plans for a Trump Tower on the

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Speaker 16: Gold Coast.

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Speaker 2: Construction will start this year. We'll see Murray Old's thank

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Speaker 2: you very much. Australia correspondent seventeen away from five either

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Speaker 2: dup Feather, are you kidding me? Flavor flavors of public

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Speaker 2: enemy fame. I thought you would have been right. It

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Speaker 2: would have been writing your pockey high wheelhouse to our college,

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Speaker 2: to you mate, to work our college all the way. Now,

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Speaker 2: we were not listening to Public Enemy at to a

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Speaker 2: cow college in the late nineties and early two thousands.

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Speaker 2: What was right up our wheelhouse was a bit of Tupac,

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Speaker 2: a bit of a notorious big We like out. We

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Speaker 2: liked that. We liked real gangsters, not pretend gangsters. If

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Public Enemy was far to tame.

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Speaker 2: Lord Mandelsson has just been released on bail in the

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Speaker 2: last couple of hours, by the way, because of course

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Speaker 2: he was arrested at his house yesterday, so he's been

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Speaker 2: questioned by the police quite late into the night. He's

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Speaker 2: been allowed to go back to his house by I

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Speaker 2: think it's two in the morning or something like. That's

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Speaker 2: a bit of a late night for him anyway. Indo,

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Speaker 2: Brady will be with us about quarters to seven and

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Speaker 2: talk us a couple of hours from now and talk

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Speaker 2: us through the implications of this for Mandelssohn Barry Soapas.

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Speaker 1: Next politics was centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certaindy right, Marilyn Wearing on the pay equity stuff is

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Speaker 2: with us after five o'clock right now, it's fourteen away

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Speaker 2: from five and Barry Soaper, Senior Political Correspondence with US

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Speaker 2: High Barry Good afternoon, Heather, So Chippy wasn't being all

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Speaker 2: together truthful yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Was he?

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Speaker 11: Either that or he's got a very short term memory problem.

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Speaker 11: He's obviously forgotten that the Land Transport Revenue Amendment Bill

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Speaker 11: came into the House in November last year. It allows

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Speaker 11: holding on existing road corridors now like the it's basically

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Speaker 11: if they are nearby another area that's being promoted or

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Speaker 11: being upgraded. And in this case, of course the White

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Speaker 11: Marta crossing and the nine dollars tolls, it's near the

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Speaker 11: Auckland Harbor Bridge. So this legislation, when it's finally passed,

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Speaker 11: will allow tolling on the Auckland existing Auckland Harbor Bridge.

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Speaker 11: Now you remember Labor kicked up bobbsey Dye about suggestions

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Speaker 11: that the harbor Bridge would be told Leader Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 11: after a State of the Nation address yesterday, he told

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Speaker 11: journalists and no uncertain terms that Labour's position on this.

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Speaker 10: Tolling a new road is something that Labour has been

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Speaker 10: opened to previously tolling an existing road is something that

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Speaker 10: we've been opposed to. Tolling an existing road is something

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Speaker 10: that we've been opposed to. There's something that we've been

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Speaker 10: opposed to.

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly is that you're trying to make a point.

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Speaker 11: There was Chip he's got a short term memory problem,

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Speaker 11: like I said, leading his party to vote for it.

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Speaker 11: Yes for it, joining National New Zealand First and the

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Speaker 11: Act Party. So he didn't even have to vote for it.

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Speaker 11: He could have voted against if he held such strong views.

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Speaker 11: But the bill will be reported back to the House

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Speaker 11: in May of this year, so maybe he might think twice.

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Speaker 2: Now, Well, I mean what this exposes is because he's

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Speaker 2: very quick to come out and say no, we're not

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Speaker 2: going to have the harbor Bridge tax, right, But it

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Speaker 2: exposes he was actually on the quiet more than more

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Speaker 2: than laying the groundwork for something like that.

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Speaker 11: Well yes, but you you know, you say, well did

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Speaker 11: he remember it? Well, if he didn't remember it, I

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Speaker 11: think he's got a bigger problem when he wants to be.

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Speaker 17: No, what it is.

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Speaker 2: What it is is that our lovely Chris Hopkins with

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Speaker 2: the very friendly little face does love to tell a porking,

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Speaker 2: doesn't He loves porky Oh this.

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Speaker 11: Was a straight out one.

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Speaker 4: If that's the now, I.

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Speaker 2: See true from allies back and giving interviews about what

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Speaker 2: an awesome time he had on our dollars.

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Speaker 11: Yes, a former speaker now well AND's gone spack home

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Speaker 11: and new Imata having been recalled. You remember by Winston

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Speaker 11: Peters late last year from Dublin where he was our

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Speaker 11: ambasdor for three years. Now, he sat down with his

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Speaker 11: old flatmate of old and must say, Audrey Young from

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Speaker 11: the Herald and essentially told her he was left to

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Speaker 11: his own devices in the Irish capital.

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Speaker 18: I didn't have contact with ministers while I was in Dublin.

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Speaker 9: Oh is that unusual?

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Speaker 18: I don't know. It's a very new post. Mister Peters

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Speaker 18: had opened the post and you remember there's only five

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Speaker 18: million people in Ireland, so it's not like it's you know,

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Speaker 18: it's going to be the central railway station for people

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Speaker 18: coming through. It's not Brussels for London.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, he may not have had any ministers come calling, but.

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Speaker 6: He did play host to four.

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Speaker 11: Former prime ministers, all and Clark. I went to see him,

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Speaker 11: of course, Jasinda Dern and a private capacity went there.

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Speaker 11: Chris Hipkins on an official trip. He went there last year,

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Speaker 11: and that bog Irish former National Prime Minister, the late

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Speaker 11: Jim Bolger, he was there too.

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Speaker 6: He said he acted as Bulger's driver.

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Speaker 11: From time to time. You can understand why Winston Peters

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Speaker 11: never visited though, because you remember he was appointed to

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Speaker 11: Dublin when Winston was out of Parliament. And Winston came back,

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Speaker 11: of course in twenty twenty three, but in the intervening

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Speaker 11: time he was trespassed from Parliament's grounds by Trevor Mallard,

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Speaker 11: the Speaker for visiting the protest is down on the lawn.

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Speaker 11: Did I visited the lot as well?

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Speaker 2: Did you read in that article the three things that

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Speaker 2: he says that we should copy?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I did, really Irish, and the last of it was

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Speaker 2: basically beefing up our education system. Now correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, But is he not the minister who brought

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Speaker 2: an NCO which is completely shat the bed with the

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Speaker 2: education system? Am I right?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 11: No, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Actually so Loll's to Trevamella and he's a former teacher

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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you know we would have been

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Speaker 2: copying Ireland if we hadn't done the NZA. Thanks mate. Anyway, listen,

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Speaker 2: and Andrew mount Batten Winsor's demotion from the line of

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Speaker 2: succession is now being backed by us.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it might surprise New Zealand to know that we

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Speaker 11: would have to change legislation to not acknowledge his succession

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Speaker 11: to the throne.

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Speaker 4: At some stage.

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Speaker 6: He is eighth in.

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Speaker 11: Line, Harry's at part number five. His two children are

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Speaker 11: there as well. But look, it's going to be no

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Speaker 11: skin off our nose when he is dumped from the

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Speaker 11: line of succession. But look, this is an amazing story.

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Speaker 11: It just keeps on giving, doesn't it really? And I

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Speaker 11: think we haven't heard the last of this one yet.

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Speaker 2: Well not, I mean, especially if you consider the fact

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Speaker 2: that it may well go to charges in court. Not

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Speaker 2: saying it will, but if it does, there's all kinds

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Speaker 2: of trouble.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely. The legislation will here will be interesting.

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Speaker 2: They debate it. Hey, Barry, thanks very much. Appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: Barry So for senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on Chippy, I think it is clearly

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Speaker 2: dawned on him that is only a real path to

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Speaker 2: power is actually through Well I might be reading too

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Speaker 2: much in it, but it feels but it feels like

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Speaker 2: it may have dawned on him that his only real

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Speaker 2: path to powers through Winston Peters, because he has now

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Speaker 2: for two days in a row, refused to work, refused

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Speaker 2: to rule out working with Winston Peters after the next election.

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Speaker 2: He was asked, He was asked all through yesterday after

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Speaker 2: the State of Nations US this morning on breakfast tally,

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Speaker 2: and he keeps on saying he's going to set it

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Speaker 2: out closer to the election, not going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it again. Winston Peters is a racist, but he's not

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Speaker 2: going to rule out working with Winston Peter's words to

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Speaker 2: that effect. Why I think this is his only way

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Speaker 2: to power, and I think it's a long shot for Chippy,

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Speaker 2: but it's his only way to power because the Maori

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Speaker 2: Party is not a realistic option that their behavior repels

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Speaker 2: most voters. And you can see that because they're sitting

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Speaker 2: at a what about three percent, so ninety seven percent

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Speaker 2: of us are like n not going to vote for that.

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Speaker 2: The Greens will repel a lot of voters because of

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Speaker 2: the wealth tax. Don't forget that stuff still in the policies.

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Speaker 2: So he needs really the possibility of Winston Peters, and

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Speaker 2: they're shutting down stupid ideas. Anyway, I'll see how that

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Speaker 2: goes now. I think that can we call it? Can

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Speaker 2: we call it that Dunedin is the weirdest council out

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Speaker 2: there because that had some pretty weird things going on, right,

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Speaker 2: but this has got to be the weirdest thing that's

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Speaker 2: happened for them. There is a guy, Benedict Ong, who

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Speaker 2: was the first term counselor in Dunedan, who started wearing

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Speaker 2: tape over his mouth when he goes to council meetings

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Speaker 2: as a silent protest. He reckons he didn't plan it,

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Speaker 2: he just got it nearby the visitor center, shove it

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Speaker 2: on his mouth. Mat. I'm like, that's going to cause

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Speaker 2: a reaction on your face if you don't watch out. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he's doing it because he feels like he's being shut

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Speaker 2: up because he wants to talk about things like whether

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Speaker 2: the attendees at the council meeting would support the Indian

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Free Trade Agreement, which is just bollocks from him,

659
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Speaker 2: isn't it. That's a central government issue. Don't waste counsel

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Speaker 2: time talking about a central government. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: change Dunedon City council is not going to change what

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Speaker 2: happens with the India Free Trade Agreement, so what are

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Speaker 2: you doing wasting your time talking about it. There's a

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Speaker 2: myriad of issues that the Dunedin City Council needs to

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Speaker 2: actually be dealing with because councils are stuffed up and

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Speaker 2: down the country anyway, So he wants to waste everyone's

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Speaker 2: time talking about the FTA. There is a full council.

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Speaker 2: They shut him up and now he's like hm, puts

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Speaker 2: tape on his face. They're probably happy about. There's a

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Speaker 2: full council meeting on Tuesday. He's not sure if he's

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Speaker 2: allowed to go, but if he is, he will be

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Speaker 2: wearing tape on his face again. Dunedin just want to

673
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Speaker 2: say to you you might want to start changing who

674
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Speaker 2: you vote for because it's a pretty weird place with

675
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Speaker 2: weird last election, was weird election before that, and it

676
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Speaker 2: appears even this term still really really weird anyway. Marilyn

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Speaker 2: Wearing is with us on the pay equity report out

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Speaker 2: today News Talks.

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Speaker 4: dB pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

681
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Speaker 1: like no one else news.

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Speaker 4: Talks there be afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The unofficial People Select Committee has released its Longer Way

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Speaker 2: to report on the pay equity changes, and unsurprisingly, it

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Speaker 2: has slammed the government. The report says the new law

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Speaker 2: breaches our human rights legislation and is a violation of

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Speaker 2: the rule of law. Former National MP Marilyn Wearing was

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Speaker 2: on the committee. High Marylyn.

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Speaker 17: Good afternoon, Heather, In.

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Speaker 2: What way was it a violation of rule of law?

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Speaker 17: The retrospectivity of it that should be used very very rarely,

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Speaker 17: And Dame Sylvia cat made that point in her submissions.

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Speaker 17: The urgency that was accorded to passage of this legislation.

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Speaker 17: This wasn't an emergency war regulation, you know, it was

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Speaker 17: an equal pay amendment. It's just quite unnecessary. You don't

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Speaker 17: do that, and so it was all done simply for

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Speaker 17: the budget.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think most of us would agree with that. However,

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Speaker 2: one of the arguments about the old pay equity law

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Speaker 2: was that the comparators were a little bit funny. Did

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Speaker 2: you look at whether the comparators were all fair?

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Speaker 17: In fact, three of us went and got trained and

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Speaker 17: how to do the comparator work, and we actually sat

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Speaker 17: there and scored some real profiles. It's incredibly sophisticated. It's

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Speaker 17: full of checks and balances, and I think the thing

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Speaker 17: that people get wrong is it's about knowledge and skills,

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Speaker 17: and it's about responsibility, and it's about working conditions. And

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Speaker 17: I think most people just went something like, oh, fisheries

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Speaker 17: offices have very different working conditions from librarians, as if

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Speaker 17: that was you know, what mattered. Whereas I just say

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Speaker 17: to people a year, try being a probation officer checking

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Speaker 17: up on a five TOHO one deporty.

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Speaker 2: One of the So is it true? I mean there's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of misinformation about this. So is it

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Speaker 2: true that cleaners were being compared with laborers?

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Speaker 17: No, I don't know that because cleaners weren't part of

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00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 17: the thirty three claims that were dismissed. So what happened

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Speaker 17: was to set up the comparators. Initially, the government was

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Speaker 17: able to say, well, look, customs officers, surveyors, fisheries officers,

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Speaker 17: air traffic controllers. There was at a whole raft of

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Speaker 17: occupations that were male dominated. And so just as the

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Speaker 17: claimants conducted hundreds of interviews to establish role profiles, there

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Speaker 17: were also many interviews conducted with the comparator groups, and

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Speaker 17: then the comparator groups role profiles were as were put

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Speaker 17: in the bank, you know, the comparator bank. As time

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Speaker 17: went past, the government agencies became more and more resistant

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Speaker 17: to freeing male workers to undertake those interviews. And if

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Speaker 17: you were engaged in a claim, you could choose to

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Speaker 17: and obviously it was going to be faster and cheaper

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Speaker 17: choose comparators from the bank as it were that was

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Speaker 17: already sitting there, or look for new ones. But looking

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Speaker 17: for new ones was going to delay you even more.

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Speaker 17: And when we did the scoring based on the role profiles,

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Speaker 17: the checks and balances are enormous and it's extraordinarily sophisticated.

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Speaker 17: It was the best and most sophisticated pay equity regime

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Speaker 17: in the world.

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Speaker 2: All right, Now, it's not as if the thing has

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Speaker 2: been scrapped without a replacement. There is a replacement there.

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Speaker 2: Women can still progress these claims. Are you unhappy with

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Speaker 2: the replacement?

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Speaker 17: Well, in fact, we expect that after Plunket and hospice

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Speaker 17: nurses whose claims were nearly complete right the comparators, everything

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Speaker 17: had been done, they were weeks away from a settlement.

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Speaker 17: So those employers and unions for those two have chosen

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Speaker 17: to continue, which of course gives the government the option

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Speaker 17: of saying, well, the new system works. Will infact the

747
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Speaker 17: old system worked because it brought you up to this position.

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Speaker 17: But the issue is, you know, if they do actually

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Speaker 17: get a pay e pretty settlement, unless the government increases

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Speaker 17: the contract prices to Hospice and to Plunket, they won't

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Speaker 17: be able to afford the change, right.

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Speaker 2: Dan Marilyn Wearing, thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 2: People Select Committee on pay Equity. It's Salem past.

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Speaker 4: Five ever due for see Ellen.

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Speaker 2: We've got another healthy set of books for another gen.

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Speaker 17: Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Mercury's recorded in net profit of twenty million dollars for

758
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: the first half of the year. That's up from last

759
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: year's sixty seven million dollar loss in the chief executive

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Speaker 2: Steve Hamilton, joins us. Now high stup, Hi, how are

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Speaker 2: you very well? Good to talk to you again. I'm

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Speaker 2: not tempted to do a capital raise like the others.

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Speaker 19: No, No, we're in a position which we think is

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Speaker 19: well managed. We've been disciplined and how we manage our money,

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Speaker 19: how we earn our money and spend it. So we're

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Speaker 19: investing wisely, performing strongly. And think that gives us options

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Speaker 19: without having to go and seek capital from our owners.

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Speaker 2: Now. I have heard some commentary today blaming the high

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Speaker 2: power prices that we're all paying across the country on

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Speaker 2: high dividends and you've lifted your dividends. Is that a

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Speaker 2: fair point that's been made.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 19: I can understand why people will be thinking that way. Like,

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Speaker 19: there's a tough time in New Zealand, and energy prices

775
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Speaker 19: certainly contribute to the cost of living, but there's a

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Speaker 19: number of things we do and actually to try and

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Speaker 19: bring it down. And part of that is taking over

778
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 19: half of the money we earn and investing at back

779
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Speaker 19: and our current power plants and in new power plants.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on LNG.

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Speaker 9: We're broadly supportive of lergy.

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Speaker 19: I think the thing that's trying to be solved here

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Speaker 19: is to come up with a mechanism that ensures that

784
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Speaker 19: in the dry years we've got something that backs us up. Now,

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Speaker 19: we had to look at ourselves and for Mercury, we

786
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Speaker 19: didn't see it necessary to fit inside our suite of

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Speaker 19: our sets in portfolio. But I think overall for New Zealand,

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Speaker 19: depending on how that the prices flow through it's probably

789
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Speaker 19: something that should be part of the mix. But it's

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Speaker 19: probably part of the mix, it's not the whole mix.

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Speaker 2: What price does it have to be to be cheaper

792
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Speaker 2: than coal?

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Speaker 19: So if coal comes in, it typically sets a ceiling

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Speaker 19: of what the price should be, and typically somewhere around

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Speaker 19: that two hundred two hundred and fifty dollars per meg

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Speaker 19: or hour for coal, which means that algy gas coming

797
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Speaker 19: into New Zealand probably needs to be around that fifteen

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Speaker 19: to twenty dollars per gigadual range, which is.

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Speaker 2: But it's coming on at twenty five yeah, so it

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Speaker 2: might be a little.

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Speaker 19: So what it wind up doing is set a ceiling

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Speaker 19: on what the price could go to during those dry years.

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Speaker 19: So back in twenty twenty four, when we had that

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Speaker 19: period of high wholesale power prices and they went up

805
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Speaker 19: about eight hundred dollars for mega what hour, this would

806
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Speaker 19: set a cap which means that it shouldn't be heading up.

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Speaker 19: There should be sort of capped around that two undred

808
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Speaker 19: and fifty to three hund dollar man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I really appreciate you talking to him. By

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Speaker 2: the way, you're putting up power prices this year, the power.

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Speaker 19: Prices are typically going up around that five to seven percent,

812
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Speaker 19: but a big chunk of that is associated with lines

813
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Speaker 19: and transmission increases.

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Speaker 2: Okay, shere, thank you as always, Steir Hamilton, Mercury's chief executive, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Do for see Ali.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to run you through why I was asking

817
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Speaker 2: him about the price of allergy because something interesting has

818
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Speaker 2: come out of Genesis reporting yesterday actually, so we'll get

819
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Speaker 2: to that shortly. Also, we've got to talk about what's

820
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Speaker 2: going on here with the savings in Canterbury and why

821
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Speaker 2: they're so much higher than Auckland is Heather? Oh, No,

822
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Speaker 2: before I was going to tell you something about Andrew,

823
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Speaker 2: but forget about Andrew because pot off the press. Have

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Speaker 2: you seen what Winston's just said about Chippy in the

825
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Speaker 2: last few hours on the Facebook? This is really Chippy

826
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Speaker 2: ruling him in. How can Hipkins say he is still

827
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: keeping his options open when asked this morning about working

828
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Speaker 2: with New Zealand. First, we already permanently ruled him out

829
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Speaker 2: months ago, just like we did last election. He doesn't

830
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Speaker 2: have any options to keep open. Does he need it

831
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Speaker 2: written in fat crayons so he can understand? We can

832
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: say that path to power just dried up, didn't it?

833
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: Quarter past? Now this would have to be one of

834
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Speaker 2: the most incredible pino deals that you are likely to

835
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Speaker 2: see all year. It is available online right now at

836
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Speaker 2: the Good Wine Co. Their website is the Goodwine dot

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Speaker 2: Co dot in Z. Get on there right now, by

838
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Speaker 2: the way. And the wine that we're talking about tonight

839
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Speaker 2: is called Couvar Iris Marlborough Pino Noir twenty twenty three.

840
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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to cut to the chase for you.

841
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Speaker 2: It is a gold medal winning ninety five out of

842
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Speaker 2: one hundred rated pino for twelve ninety nine. Yes, you

843
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Speaker 2: heard right, twelve ninety nine. Long story short, This was

844
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Speaker 2: never meant to be sold at twelve ninety nine, but

845
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Speaker 2: tough trading conditions have meant it is now being reduced

846
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Speaker 2: to this crazy low price. A gold medal winner at

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand International Wine Show ninety five out of

848
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Speaker 2: one hundred, Sam Kim Top fifty Wines Metro Magazine, listed

849
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Speaker 2: in Michael Cooper's New Zealand Listener article best Pino nonie

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Speaker 2: for thirty dollars or less. At just twelve ninety nine

851
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Speaker 2: per bottle, this is seriously good value. It's gold Medal

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Speaker 2: ninety five out of one hundred rated Peno and Wife

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Speaker 2: for twelve ninety nine. You want to fill your boots,

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00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: order now and you get a page just one dollar

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Speaker 2: per case, delivery to your door anywhere in the country.

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Speaker 2: Conditions apply. Just doesn't get much better than that, does it.

857
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: So order online right now at the Good Wine dot

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Speaker 2: co dot z or give them a call. Oh eight

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Speaker 2: hundred double six two double six to.

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Speaker 4: Two Heather duple see Ellen, Heather.

861
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Speaker 2: I wonder if Winston would change his mind though, if

862
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: Chippy offered him the PM role? What if he changed

863
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: his mind? He's writing it in big fat crayons, isn't he?

864
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: Nineteen past five? Now it turns out that more than

865
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: a third of us have less than five hundred dollars

866
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Speaker 2: in our savings accounts. The data has come from Westpac,

867
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Speaker 2: and apparently Aucklanders are among the worst at saving Westpac's

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Speaker 2: financial wellbeing program manager Nar warren Nan wu is with

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Speaker 2: us right now?

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Speaker 21: Hi Warren, Hey, here the hell?

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Speaker 2: Are You'm well? Thank you?

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Speaker 22: So?

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Speaker 2: Why are Auckland is so bad relative to Cantabrians?

874
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Speaker 3: Oh?

875
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Speaker 21: I mustn't that whatever should be celebrating, But they shouldn't

876
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Speaker 21: tikes you far Aucklanders pretty much when you look at

877
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Speaker 21: a big city. So we've got higher costs of living,

878
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Speaker 21: you know, I think about transport, child support and child

879
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 21: costs and all those costs pretty much eat into a

880
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Speaker 21: lot of that cost And we've looked down another layer

881
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Speaker 21: at the data. Actually Aucklanders save a lot higher averagely

882
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Speaker 21: on their monthly automatic payments one hundred fifty dollars versus

883
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Speaker 21: kintaions which are at about one hundred and fifty one

884
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Speaker 21: hundred and twenty.

885
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Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, now, I mean the stuff looks really dire

886
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Speaker 2: when you look at it. But I wondered if part

887
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Speaker 2: of what we're looking at is we're just looking at

888
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Speaker 2: what's in your bank account, right, Is it not possible

889
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Speaker 2: that a whole bunch of people now have lots of

890
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: money in shares and managed funds and other places.

891
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Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, great point to raise. This is just a

892
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Speaker 21: step shop in relation to savings, but certainly doesn't take

893
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Speaker 21: into account what other people have options of savings and

894
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Speaker 21: investments outside of respect. But it just gives us a

895
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Speaker 21: little bit like forul like around the regions and the

896
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Speaker 21: country around sort of savings habits and behaviors and sometimes

897
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Speaker 21: there's more round saving motivations. That it's more around sort of

898
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Speaker 21: saving capacity because again coming back to Auckland been sort

899
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Speaker 21: of the economic cover of New Zealand. Cost it's expensive

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Speaker 21: to live here in Auckland, right commared to the country totally.

901
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've moan about it all the time. Warren, thanks

902
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Speaker 2: very much, appreciate it, Warren and wu where's fact? Financial

903
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Speaker 2: Wellbeing program manager Heather just got the email today. My

904
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Speaker 2: power is going up eleven percent on the first of April.

905
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: Saw somebody else's text come in not so long ago.

906
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Speaker 2: Power's going up seventeen percent. Embrace yourself for it. This

907
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: is the Andrew message. Hither It's all good that Andrew

908
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: as in like formerly, the Prince is getting a token thrashing,

909
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Speaker 2: But what about the rest on the Epstein files emailed nameless?

910
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: Why are they all being arrested and treated similarly, Sally?

911
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: Because you fail to understand a fundamental thing here. Andrew

912
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: is not being arrested for being a creep, right because

913
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Speaker 2: of the point that Sally's making. Further down the Texas well,

914
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: Bill Gates was far worse. Well, Andrew's not being arrested

915
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: for being a creep because none of the creepy stuff

916
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Speaker 2: has been proven to be illegal. Andrew is being arrested

917
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Speaker 2: for sharing States Chrits, potentially while he was in public office.

918
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Speaker 2: And it's always the out. It's never the thing that

919
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: you're the most angry about that brings someone down. It's

920
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: always the other thing, isn't it? Remember al Capone what

921
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: took him down? Tax evasion five twenty one.

922
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicl and

923
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else

924
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Speaker 1: news talks, they'd be.

925
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Speaker 2: Uh five twenty four we're going to talk about apparently

926
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Speaker 2: ec is getting heaps. I mean, what was Warren just

927
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Speaker 2: saying ECE is so expensive for parents in Auckland. Apparently

928
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: it's getting even more pricey and centers are closing and

929
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Speaker 2: the prices are going up because the center is a closing.

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Speaker 2: We have a chat to the Early Childhood Council boss

931
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Speaker 2: just after the news which is coming up shortly now.

932
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Speaker 2: If it was even possible, we need to talk about

933
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Speaker 2: the BBC because if it was even possible, the controversy

934
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Speaker 2: over the BBC broadcasting the N word at the Baftis

935
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Speaker 2: yesterday has just got worse. It turns out the ceremony

936
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Speaker 2: wasn't live. It was delayed by two hours, which means

937
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: there absolutely was enough time for producers to hear the

938
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Speaker 2: guy with terres shouting out the N word in the

939
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Speaker 2: middle of a black actor's acceptance speech and then beep

940
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Speaker 2: it out. And it's not as if the BBC wasn't

941
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Speaker 2: doing some editing. They were. They edited the end of

942
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Speaker 2: another speech to remove the phrase free Palestine, which begs

943
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Speaker 2: the question, why are they removing the fhrase the phrase

944
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Speaker 2: free Palestine. I'm going to guess it's because they're overreacting

945
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: now that it's become cemented in many people's minds that

946
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Speaker 2: the BBC is completely biased in the Israel Hamas conflict,

947
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Speaker 2: given that it got the son of a Hamas leader

948
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Speaker 2: to voice a documentary about Palestine, and then it decided

949
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Speaker 2: it was okay to broadcast a bunch of Irish rappers

950
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: saying that IDF soldiers should be killed. Now, this is

951
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: an overreaction rather than just a correction to have no bias,

952
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: because a correction would have left the free Palestine statement

953
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Speaker 2: in there right, because free Palestine is actually a legitimate

954
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: political position to say out loud. It's not offensive to people.

955
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Speaker 2: There is a lesson in here. Why I'm telling you

956
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: this in New Zealanders because there is a lesson in here,

957
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: not just for the BBC, not just for state broadcasters,

958
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: but basically for all corporates about picking sides on anything political. Sure,

959
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: pick a side on something political if you want to

960
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: nail your colors to the wall, if you think it's cool,

961
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: but be prepared that the public mood can change and

962
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: what you think is cool right now may not be

963
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Speaker 2: cool in the future, because that is what happened to

964
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Speaker 2: the BBC. They clearly thought it was totally cool to

965
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: publicly be sympathetic to hum Us until it wasn't. And

966
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: since then they have been trying to prove that they're

967
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: not really sympathetic to hume Us and they're actually making

968
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: things worse. And the Bafts is probably the best example

969
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: of exactly that together do for c Allen, do you

970
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: remember me telling you that Parliament was quitting Twitter and

971
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: I was, Oh, Parliament's quitting Twitter and that's the end

972
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: of that, because Twitter's doing all the kiddy porn stuff

973
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: and it's but gross and stuff. Well, it's too turned

974
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: into something weirdly controversial. So Chris Bishop's got involved and

975
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: he's called it a wrong decision. When Stimpede has got

976
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: himself involved, he said, this is how freedoms are lost

977
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: by unilateral decision making being made by moral virtue signaling.

978
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Speaker 2: So I thought, wow, the Parliament's Parliament's Twitter account must

979
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Speaker 2: be saying something awesome, stuff that we all need to

980
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: know and can't possibly find anywhere else. So I went

981
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Speaker 2: to have a look. But I had to be honest.

982
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: I had to redownload my Twitter because my Twitter hasn't

983
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: been used in such a long time that I had

984
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Speaker 2: to get the little cloudy thing to do it again

985
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Speaker 2: when and had a look. Now, not that important, but

986
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: basically all the Parliament Twitter account does is say every

987
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Speaker 2: day killed a koto. Today's oral questions and answers are

988
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Speaker 2: now available on see Partimutter's website, and then provides the link.

989
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to make the call that this is

990
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Speaker 2: nothing and it's okay for Parliament to quit Twitter because

991
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Speaker 2: everyone else is, so they may as well. It's cool.

992
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: It's cool to quit Twitter, do it? He costs. Next

993
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: News Talk, said b.

994
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Speaker 4: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather du for.

995
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Speaker 1: Cellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power of

996
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Speaker 1: satellite mobile News Talk said, be.

997
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Speaker 2: Right, well, one of the companies reporting today endzev me,

998
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Speaker 2: the company that owns the News Talk ZB So the

999
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Speaker 2: boss Boxy's going to be an after six o'clock, just

1000
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: going to run you through some of the details of

1001
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: the pay settlement. With the primary principles. The NZDI two

1002
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Speaker 2: point five percent immediately, two point one percent and twelve

1003
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: months settlement introduces a fifteen thousand dollars curriculum change allowance

1004
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: paid over the term of the agreement to recognize their

1005
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Speaker 2: word to lead the implementation change. So that's basically, here's

1006
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars to stop whinging about having to change

1007
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: the curriculum. Then the Leadership in Literacy and Numeracy base

1008
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: payment will additionally increase to ten thousand dollars per year

1009
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: over the term of the agreement. Huddle standing by, they'll

1010
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Speaker 2: be with us very shortly twenty four away from six ever,

1011
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: fresh warnings that your childcare bill could be heading up

1012
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: yet again. The average cost has apparently jumped from just

1013
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars a week in two thousand and seven

1014
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: to ninety dollars a week in twenty twenty three, and

1015
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: the Early Childhood Council says that there's more pressure building

1016
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: because four hundred and forty three centers have shut their

1017
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Speaker 2: doors nationwide in just the last three years. The CEO

1018
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Speaker 2: of the Council of Simon lawb high Simon, who pays

1019
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: ninety dollars a week, surely everyone pays more than ninety

1020
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: dollars a week.

1021
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 22: Well, it really does depend. You can still find some

1022
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 22: services that are free, so it is pretty variable. But

1023
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 22: the people who are paying child care fees, they know

1024
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 22: who they are and it is very expensive and they

1025
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 22: can definitely vouch for the fact that the fees are increasing.

1026
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, but I mean genuinely, are there free childcare

1027
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: services and who are they?

1028
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: Well? There are.

1029
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 22: There are communities around New Zealand where the families just

1030
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 22: can't afford to pay anything. So there are services available everywhere.

1031
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Speaker 22: But it's quite a different service, you know, because if

1032
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 22: you've got the money and you can afford to pay

1033
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 22: the fees, then chances are you're working and you need

1034
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Speaker 22: additional hours to cover the days that you're working, so

1035
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Speaker 22: you're actually using more childcare. If you're working. But if

1036
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Speaker 22: you're not working, you know, you're probably using less in

1037
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 22: indust relying on what the government right.

1038
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: So if you were a working parent, which is I'm

1039
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: thinking really the most realistic way of looking at what

1040
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: it costs people, Surely the cheapest that you'd get away

1041
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: with in twenty twenty six is about one hundred and

1042
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: fifty dollars a week if you're going to kindy, isn't it.

1043
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 22: Yeah, that sounds about right.

1044
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the absolutely cheapest, isn't it.

1045
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 22: That would be more like the average I'd say, yeah.

1046
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, why is it that you've got so many

1047
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: of these centers shutting down?

1048
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 22: Well, we've got rising costs basically, so we've got this

1049
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 22: pay parity scheme that's driving up the cost of teacher salaries,

1050
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 22: but the funding from the government doesn't follow suit. So

1051
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 22: as the salaries increase, you know, the providers are paying

1052
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 22: more and more to pay the teachers, but the funding

1053
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 22: stays the same. So eventually, what that does is it

1054
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 22: puts the pressure on the providers to either increase the

1055
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Speaker 22: fees that parents pay or to close their doors.

1056
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Speaker 2: Is I thought that the PAI parity for the ecees

1057
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: had been scrapped.

1058
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 22: No, it's still there. Yeah, and nobody would really want

1059
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 22: to lose that. Nobody wants the teacher wages to go

1060
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Speaker 22: backwards because then we just lose our teachers. We need

1061
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Speaker 22: the teachers, we need to be able to pay them,

1062
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Speaker 22: but we are not actually able to pay them, and

1063
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Speaker 22: so that's the number one reason why parents are getting

1064
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 22: those fee increases.

1065
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: So is it pay parity with primary teachers?

1066
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Speaker 11: Is it?

1067
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 22: Well, it's not really pay parity at all, but that's

1068
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Speaker 22: the name of the scheme, that's the label on the jar.

1069
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Speaker 22: But it doesn't give you parity with what the primary

1070
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Speaker 22: teachers can.

1071
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: Okay, So if the thing that's called pay parity is

1072
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: not really pay parity, what is it.

1073
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Speaker 22: That's what it's called, that's its name. It brings you

1074
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Speaker 22: closer to what kindergarten teachers would be paid, but it's

1075
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Speaker 22: less than what they're paid, so it's not really pay parity.

1076
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Speaker 22: It didn't it wasn't pay parity back in twenty twenty three,

1077
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Speaker 22: so that's not a new thing.

1078
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So if these if these centers are shutting down

1079
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Speaker 2: because they can't they can't recover their costs at what

1080
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: they're charging, what is a more realistic rate that that

1081
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Speaker 2: parents would have to pay.

1082
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Speaker 22: Well, what we are seeing is that parents are at

1083
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 22: the point where they just can't pay anymore. That's that's

1084
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Speaker 22: what we're hearing from providers. If they put up their fees,

1085
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Speaker 22: they're worried they'll lose more enrollments. Then they'll make up

1086
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Speaker 22: in the additional fees. So you know, parents are hurting.

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Speaker 22: We would vouch for that. And everybody knows how expensive

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00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 22: it is with a young family. So really, you know

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Speaker 22: it's up to the government to try and put more

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Speaker 22: money in to meet some of these costs. Otherwise, you know,

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00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 22: they just can't afford to pay. That's what that's that's

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Speaker 22: our reality. That's what we see.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Simon, thanks very much appreciated. Simon Laude Early Childhood

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Speaker 2: Counsel twenty away from six the Huddle.

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00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southby's International Realty A name you can

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: trust locally and.

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Speaker 2: Globally with us on the Huddle. Morris, Williams and Auckland

1098
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: Council of former National Party to Mike Munroe form of

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00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: a Labor Party Chief of Staff and director at Mike

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00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: Munroe Communications. Hi Lads, I hear oh Morris every time

1101
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: I'm a here, We've got to put more money into something.

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00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: I think this can surely not be the only solution,

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00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: can it?

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00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 20: What I'm concerned. I've read this article, I read the

1105
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 20: Raid in New Zealand piece that came with it, and

1106
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 20: all the background to it. I keep thinking that my

1107
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 20: wife and I many years ago, and it's a long

1108
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 20: sort of before the arc landed on Mount our Rat,

1109
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 20: we decided we would have children, but we just said,

1110
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 20: we're not earning enough. She was working at a New

1111
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 20: Zealand and earning more than I was at the time

1112
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 20: because she was working shift work, and we thought, we

1113
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 20: just can't afford the kids yet.

1114
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: So we've got to wait.

1115
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 20: And we saved and we bought a house and we

1116
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 20: pay and when we finally did decide that the kids

1117
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 20: were the time, Rayland left work altogether and bought up

1118
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 20: the kids and so on. Now I hear people saying, no,

1119
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 20: we've got to have two cars, a better lifestyle, lots

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00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 20: of overseas trips, and we're going to have kids as well,

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00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 20: so somebody else working should be paying for that. And

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00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 20: I don't get it. I don't understand if you're going

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00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 20: to have kids and bring them up and have both

1124
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 20: of you working. There's a cost that you knew beforehand.

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00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 20: I'm a big fan of supporting costs you didn't know about,

1126
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 20: and it just comes out of the blue. If you

1127
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 20: are a young couple today right now, sitting down thinking

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 20: of having kids, you know it's going to cost you

1129
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 20: for childcare if you both are going to work. But

1130
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 20: somehow it's poor old Johnny taxpayer. It's got to reach

1131
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 20: into his pocket and pay for other people to have kids.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate where you're going with this, Morris, but

1133
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: the problem that I can see in your argument is

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00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: unless you actually do help as a state to subsidize

1135
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: the childcare, you are going to end up with a

1136
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: birth rate that drops off the cliff that it's already

1137
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: sitting on.

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00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 20: Well, it's already dropped down a very big cliff. We

1139
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 20: talked about this with the under twenty fives having about

1140
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 20: a seventh of the number of babies last week. But

1141
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 20: in the end, there is this element of personal responsibility

1142
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 20: and covering the cost of things that you choose to do. Now,

1143
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 20: we've got a pretty generous subsidy you can earn. I

1144
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 20: think what is it up to about fifty seven thousand

1145
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 20: dollars when they take the seven cents off from the

1146
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 20: thirty five thousand and still beginning a say, all I

1147
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 20: know is that I grew up in a time when

1148
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 20: if you wanted to have kids, made the decision to

1149
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 20: have one one of the parents to stay at home

1150
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 20: and not the yearning or a part time job or whatever.

1151
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 20: It just it's not good enough to say we need

1152
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 20: the both incomes and now someone else can pay for

1153
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 20: the subsidy for us.

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00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: Too, right, Mike, is he not right? He's right, isn't he?

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00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 23: No, he's not entirely sorry, sorry to tell you that. Marus'

1156
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 23: I'd rather not the discussion go down that firstonal responsibility

1157
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 23: path because the fact that the kids are here, the

1158
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 23: families are here, and we've got to do something about it.

1159
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 23: And you know, these kids, they start their life education

1160
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 23: journey very early now, obviously, and this is a critical period,

1161
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 23: early childhood education. And I just think we have to

1162
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 23: accept that, Johnny taxpayer, as Morris turned them, we'll have

1163
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 23: to step in and do something about it.

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Speaker 2: But the stuff that they teach them at ECE is

1165
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: know more than what you would teach them as a

1166
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: full time mum or dad.

1167
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 23: But the learning dust of learning social skills and learning

1168
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 23: to become little people.

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Speaker 2: And I'm I'm sorry and whatever to come down on

1170
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: the side of Morris with us, and you could make

1171
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: this a thing. But also you're not raising them in

1172
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: an isolation in a bubble, are you. Like if you're

1173
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: staying at home as a mum or dad, you're taking

1174
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: your kids off to play dates and they're mixing with

1175
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: their siblings and their cousins and stuff. They're going to

1176
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: get it. They don't have to go to ECE before school.

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Speaker 2: If you're a dedicated parent.

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Speaker 23: Either mum or dad or the kera, whoever's looking asks

1179
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 23: them at home, he's got other things to do as

1180
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 23: well as you'll know yourself as a mother, Heather, And

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Speaker 23: so you know, you pack your kids off to eatte

1182
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 23: and at least there's some structure to their day and

1183
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 23: there's some you know, there's some pattern to their day.

1184
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 23: They're learning social skills, the learning to play together, to

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Speaker 23: work together, and I'm sure that's going to be a

1186
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 23: lot more beneficial in the long run than just been

1187
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 23: given a ball and told to go out the yard

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 23: and check it around for a while.

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Speaker 20: The option that's not the option. Raywan used to take

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Speaker 20: the kids of the swimming pool every second day and

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00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 20: take them to gym monastics some days, and there was

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00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 20: playdates where a group of friends would get together and

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 20: they socialized and the kids learned all sorts of skills.

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Speaker 20: And she wasn't earning a bloody good income then anymore.

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Speaker 20: So it really hurt us financially. I was the only

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00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 20: income earner. So if you want to both be out

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00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 20: working and earning an income, that you should be prepared

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Speaker 20: to cover the cost of someone looking after your kids.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, but like I say, the fact is the kids

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Speaker 23: are here that their.

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Speaker 4: Parents are working.

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Speaker 23: They can't be kept at home during the day, so

1203
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 23: somebody has to look after them. And that's where the

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00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 23: early childhood, the.

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Speaker 20: Person who should have been looking and them was out

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00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 20: earning an income.

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Speaker 2: Well look, no, I think some really valid points have

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: been raised on both sides. Now, I really wasn't expecting

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: that discussion, but thoroughly enjoyed it. Will come back in

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Speaker 2: a minute and talk about pay equity.

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Speaker 4: Quarter two The Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly global brand.

1213
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: Back with us on the Huddle. We have Mike Munroe

1214
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: and Morris Williamson. Now, Mike, the pay equity thing very worthy.

1215
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: They make some good points, but ultimately it's not going

1216
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: to change anything, right, We're not getting pay equity back,

1217
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 2: not in that form.

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00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 23: No, not in that form. And that's very sad. It's

1219
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 23: the die is cast. But you know, I think the

1220
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 23: report has just reminded us what a dog of a

1221
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 23: scheme this government brought in last year. You know, we've

1222
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 23: had a world leading sort of reputation or a great

1223
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 23: reputation in the world.

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Speaker 16: I should say.

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00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 23: We've had social systems and social processes that other countries

1226
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 23: have admired and wanted to copy forever. Experts in the

1227
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 23: field said that we had one of the best pay

1228
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 23: equity laws in the world, our best in class system,

1229
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 23: We had those reputation for being democratic and innovative, blah

1230
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 23: blah blah. And it feels like all this has just

1231
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 23: gone up in flames with several things this government has done,

1232
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 23: and most particularly this change and it's I think it's

1233
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 23: you know, like you say, the report's not going to

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 23: change anything while this governments and power anyway, but it's

1235
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 23: just sort of underlying that sort of abusive power, and

1236
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 23: that'sort of downhill slope that we've been on when it

1237
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 23: comes to social policy.

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01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: I can't Morris. I can't see it changing. But I

1239
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: can't see pay equity coming back under any government just

1240
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: because of the sheer cost of the thing.

1241
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 21: Well.

1242
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 20: See, I disagree with with Mike obviously, because I think

1243
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 20: that what Brook van Velden said is we believe in

1244
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 20: pay equity, but you have to be comparing apples with apples,

1245
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 20: and if you're comparing a graphic artist or something with

1246
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 20: an air traffic controller. There was of some incredible examples

1247
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 20: of people in their claims yet to say that's not

1248
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 20: even within the same ballpark. And so it's the same

1249
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 20: old argument that I believe there should be pay equity

1250
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 20: for people who are doing work of equal sort of

1251
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 20: value and equivalence and so on. The big debate about

1252
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 20: this that sits behind all this is how do you

1253
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 20: define those levels of equality and equivalence.

1254
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: Listen, Morris, you've got a technical background this medical hack,

1255
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: do you? Is that actually a hack?

1256
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 3: Or is that.

1257
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: Somebody who's working within the system tinkering and accidentally doing

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01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: something bad.

1259
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 20: I just read this one, and I'm not sure. I

1260
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,479
Speaker 20: think it could easily be the second that you said.

1261
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 20: But what I don't quite gets all these people developing

1262
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 20: these IT systems for medical systems and not putting in

1263
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 20: place what are just straight out considered, you know, off

1264
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 20: the shelf protection mechanisms to prevent people coming in and

1265
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 20: putting a worm into the system and breaking down your

1266
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 20: data systems and so on. So you can do them

1267
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 20: a lot cheaper if you don't put all the protections

1268
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 20: in and then it all happens and breaks loose, and

1269
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 20: then the data has been leaked and it's oh wow,

1270
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 20: it was me. I think that anyone's going to hold

1271
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 20: your medical data needs to have the proper systems of

1272
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 20: protection in place.

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01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, well look at that.

1274
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 23: The hackers are getting smarter and smarter, so look the

1275
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 23: people who design these systems it can have to lift

1276
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 23: their game as well. You know, I've here depayment. If

1277
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 23: they're talking today about you stronger laws, cybersecurity laws, well

1278
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 23: you know, stronger laws might act as a bit of

1279
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 23: a deterrent, but they're not going to stop hacking entirely.

1280
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 23: These threats are these threats are evolving all the time

1281
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 23: very rapidly, and inside the crime rates are going up everywhere,

1282
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 23: So as I say, the people who designed the systems,

1283
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 23: they're just going to have to lift their game otherwise

1284
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 23: to problem just gets worse and worse over time.

1285
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 4: I guess now.

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Speaker 20: I always liken it to tax evasion. The smart companies

1287
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 20: out there that are avoiding in fact evading tax, which

1288
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 20: is the illegal, but are always just slightly ahead of

1289
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 20: the ird and the laws that we keep putting in

1290
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 20: play in some new laws, and the really top end

1291
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 20: people are out there just at the sort of leading

1292
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 20: edge doing it, getting away with it, and then the

1293
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 20: loophole gets closed and they move on to the next one.

1294
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 20: That data systems have almost got to be a living

1295
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 20: system where you're continuously putting patches and updates for all

1296
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 20: of them now know, and bugs and so on. And

1297
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 20: if you're not that level of household management of your systems,

1298
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 20: they're going to get breached and done, and the data

1299
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Speaker 20: is going to get moved off and sold and so on.

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Speaker 20: And I think it's just I think it's quite heartbreaking

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Speaker 20: to hear the number of businesses that have gotten into

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Speaker 20: medical data systems, which you expect to be the ones

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Speaker 20: kept very confidential, and are getting hacked on a regular

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Speaker 20: basis now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Mike, have you thought about your metic

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Speaker 2: files and whether you've got embarrassing stuff in there?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, not really.

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Speaker 23: It's a frety comprehensive style and given up worrying about it.

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Speaker 23: You know, I'll make you more. I'll makes you more

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Speaker 23: concerned about the medical cares I get rather than the

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Speaker 23: maintenance of the files and the data. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 23: good good luck to a hacker getting hold of it

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Speaker 23: and having a read of it. You'll find it pretty

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Speaker 23: pretty boring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what if the hack my stuff,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to air it on the radio before they

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Speaker 2: can release it, just to relieve them of the pressure

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Speaker 2: for one minute, even thinking that I might be embarrassed

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Speaker 2: by anything on there. Guys, thank you as always appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: would you Mike Monroe and Morris Williams in our huddle

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Speaker 2: this evening eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk z'b.

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Speaker 2: Either look to Europe, they send their kids to school late,

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Speaker 2: and the results of better. Morris is one hundred percent right,

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Speaker 2: Mike is one hundred percent wrong. It's not a taxpayer

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Speaker 2: problem herether My sister is a teacher in Hawks Bay

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01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: and a school is getting a new ablution block of

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Speaker 2: the changing for the five year olds that come to

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Speaker 2: school in nappies. Ec is vital. That's from Megan here.

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Speaker 2: The Morris seems unbelievably out of touch with the cost

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Speaker 2: of living for a young family. Having kids should not

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Speaker 2: only be locked in for those who are at the

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Speaker 2: top of the income bracket after mortgage rates, insurance, utilities

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Speaker 2: and food. Not many people can live on one income.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget working parents is also doing work in the

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Speaker 2: economy and generating GDP four away from six. It's by

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Speaker 2: the way, today is four years since the Russian invasion

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine. So we're going to have a chat to

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Speaker 2: the Ukrainian ambassador to New Zealand after Bus six and

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Speaker 2: just find out where things are at. So we're chucked

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Speaker 2: another eight million dollars in their direction, which frankly is

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Speaker 2: almost insultingly small, but anyway, we'll have a chat to him.

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Speaker 2: So the detail that I was going to give you

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Speaker 2: on gas, this is from Genesis reporting yesterday. This is

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Speaker 2: real the Allen g Idea. Genesis says gas at about

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Speaker 2: eight to ten dollars a gigadewel, which is roughly where

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Speaker 2: it's sitting at the moment, running through Huntley beats the

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Speaker 2: cost of solar wind and geo thermal, so it's cheap.

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Speaker 2: If it gets more expensive, if it's sitting in the

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Speaker 2: ten to eighteen dollars per gigaduel range, it becomes more

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Speaker 2: expensive than solar wind and geofilm LL, but it is

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Speaker 2: still cheaper than coal through Huntley. If it gets more

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Speaker 2: expensive than that, coal becomes cheaper. So then like literally

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Speaker 2: everything is cheaper than the gas that's more expensive, and

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Speaker 2: what gas could be more expensive than literally everything else,

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Speaker 2: including coal, you'd find that that would be lng coming

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Speaker 2: into the country at twenty five dollars. Now, I guess

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Speaker 2: the point that Stu was making before stew from Mercury

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Speaker 2: as well, it does provide a cap, so it doesn't

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Speaker 2: go above that, but it's going to be sitting there

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Speaker 2: being unused for a long time, and because so bloody

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Speaker 2: expensive anyway. The other thing that I thought was interesting

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Speaker 2: from Genesis is that they're assuming that methan x remains

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Speaker 2: in the gas market until twenty twenty nine, so another

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Speaker 2: three years. But they're not sure what happens if the

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Speaker 2: Maui gas field closes, because if that one ends production,

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Speaker 2: which sounds like it may well like I've heard rumors

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Speaker 2: that it ends production end of this year. If it

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Speaker 2: ends production, then the assumption is methanex closes, So we'll

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Speaker 2: see where that goes. Anyway. Michael Boggs, my boss, chief

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Speaker 2: executive of nz ME, is in with us next to

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Speaker 2: have a chat about whether the media has turned a corner,

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Speaker 2: because the books are looking pretty good this year. News

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Speaker 2: Dog ZB.

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Speaker 4: What's up, what's down?

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Speaker 1: What were the major calls and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy? The big business questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with head the Duple, Cy Allen and Mas, Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Your futures said, good hands, News Talk z edb Evening.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour, Ukraine's ambassador on four

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Speaker 2: years of fighting back putin Ender Brady, on the release

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Speaker 2: on bail of Peter Mandelson and Jamie mackay, on Land

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Speaker 2: Corp Finally making some good money seven past six. So

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Speaker 2: a radio resurgence is the thing that has helped put

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Speaker 2: nz ME, the company that owns Newstalk ZB back in

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Speaker 2: the black. It's half year result shows a net profit

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Speaker 2: of thirteen point one million dollars, turning around last year's

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Speaker 2: sixty million dollar loss. The chief executive is Michael Boggs Boggy.

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Speaker 24: Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: You've turned a loss into a profit. You've got to

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Speaker 2: be feeling good about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: I think it's great for everyone here at nz ME.

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Speaker 24: You know, we've got eleven hundred people who work really

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Speaker 24: hard each day, and probably one thousand and ninety nine

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Speaker 24: of them are supporting you taught.

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Speaker 2: Above in the sledging starts immediately. Now, on the matter

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Speaker 2: of the results, what's gone on here? Do you think

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Speaker 2: is this just I mean, is this a sign of

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Speaker 2: the strength of the business or is this the economy recovering.

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Speaker 24: I think it's a bit of both. So on an economy,

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Speaker 24: we saw in the last quarter of last year a

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Speaker 24: lot of the larger companies starting to spend again, and

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Speaker 24: so those are the ones who booked through media agencies,

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Speaker 24: specifically in radio. Actually, I'm really wanting to come and

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Speaker 24: be heard. I'm not sure what happened over Christmas. In

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Speaker 24: January though they did seem to slow down a bit,

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Speaker 24: so I'm not sure if that was some of the

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Speaker 24: retail sales not being quite as good as they expected.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're finding right is like it is

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Speaker 2: still it's really volatile, and every time it does something

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Speaker 2: like that, and loads of industry are saying January and

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Speaker 2: December was weird. We panic, don't we absolutely?

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Speaker 24: But what we've actually seen in February and March, which

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Speaker 24: I think's really good as those small medium businesses are

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Speaker 24: back spending again. So a lot of them had stopped,

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Speaker 24: a lot of them have reduced, but February March we're

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Speaker 24: atually seeing them back in the market and starting to spend.

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Speaker 24: So hopefully that's a good sign for the economy.

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Speaker 2: Do you think though, it is a grind out of

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Speaker 2: here rather than right, all turbo blasters going and we're out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: So we've started this quarter with about three percent growth

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Speaker 24: year on year, and it's nice to be in growth.

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Speaker 24: We've had a few years of being not in growth,

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Speaker 24: so I think that is a good start. But I'm

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Speaker 24: not sure we're looking at double digit revenue growth. I

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Speaker 24: think it is a grind.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've got our path.

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Speaker 2: Why why is it such a grind out of this thing?

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Speaker 24: I just think people are still coming out of a tough.

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Speaker 24: You know, this s del being inflationary pressures. They're not

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Speaker 24: feeling the best, they're not feeling confident yet to go

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Speaker 24: and invest and advertising is probably one of the first

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Speaker 24: leaders you can pull either to stop but importantly to

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Speaker 24: go ahead as well. So please, we are starting to

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Speaker 24: see them spend again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, what's going on with radi because I see

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Speaker 2: audio is up twenty three percent in terms of profitability.

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Speaker 24: Great ratings from shows like yourself obviously, but in the

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Speaker 24: last four months last year we did actually manage to

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Speaker 24: gain some market share on our competitors in the first

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Speaker 24: eight not as good, but I think we're pleased as

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Speaker 24: a business to be doing better than our competitor in

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Speaker 24: that last period. But I think there really is a resurgent.

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Speaker 24: We're seeing really strong audiences overall. Digital audios now ten

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Speaker 24: percent of our radio numbers, and so that revenue that

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Speaker 24: we're seeing can actually flow through the profitability. So as

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Speaker 24: you see twenty three percent up year.

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Speaker 2: On here as part of it that people are gearing

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Speaker 2: up for the election.

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Speaker 24: Election we see listen. Yeah, it's a bit of a

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Speaker 24: double edged sword for us. So around election we do

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Speaker 24: obviously see people coming and listen we see some of

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Speaker 24: the political parties and advocacy organizations start to advertise, but

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Speaker 24: we actually see a lot of other businesses go I

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Speaker 24: don't want to be around all this noise. It's all

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Speaker 24: a little bit hard. So it's got a positive ander neegative.

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Speaker 2: I are here, yeah, and One Roof is doing amazingly still, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It It is?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, So right at the moment, we're putting a bit

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Speaker 24: of investment into One Roof to give it a much

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Speaker 24: better proposition. So you'll see a new One Roof app

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Speaker 24: launched in the coming weeks, much different than what you'll

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Speaker 24: see in the market today, really focused on giving better

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Speaker 24: audience engagement. When you go to sell your place in Tira,

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Speaker 24: it'll be the thing that people all want to use

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Speaker 24: to when you.

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Speaker 2: List your proper you read my mind. I do sometimes

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Speaker 2: think do I actually need this one an extravagance? What

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Speaker 2: do you think about where the media is at? Have

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Speaker 2: we turned a corner?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 24: I think we definitely have. I can't speak for others.

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Speaker 2: But you'd know because you know everything. So when you're

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Speaker 2: out there, what do you think? Is it just us

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: who's turned to corner? Or is everybody turning a corner.

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Speaker 24: I think everyone's certainly feeling better. I'm sure everyone will

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Speaker 24: be getting some more of that spend, but I think

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Speaker 24: each industry is doing a little bit tough. We're really lucky,

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 24: you know, we're across one roof. As you mentioned, we're

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Speaker 24: across radio. We've obviously got our digital and print businesses

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Speaker 24: as well. Publishing actually grew its profitability this year, so

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Speaker 24: that's got our digital businesses. Our digital business fifty five percent.

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 24: Now are people subscribing to us from a revenue perspective,

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Speaker 24: from a digital so that's a bit of a breakthrough

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Speaker 24: that we're over that fifty percent mark.

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Speaker 2: Big thing last year for ends in me obviously was

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Speaker 2: that the I suppose you could cause it, call it

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 2: upheaval at the Boardly, is that all settled down? Everybody's

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Speaker 2: playing nice.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: I've been really pleased to be involved with award. Stephen

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Speaker 24: Joyce is a great chair for us. He's managed difficult positions.

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Speaker 24: I'm sure in his political and other stuff, doesn't that

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Speaker 24: he knows very much about Radio two, which is a

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Speaker 24: great asset to have. So I'm enjoying dealing with the board.

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Speaker 24: You know, we've got a very large shareholder on the board,

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Speaker 24: and I'm really pleased that you know he acts in

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Speaker 24: the interest of all shareholders, which is really neat to see.

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Speaker 2: Now, what is up with this milky bar that you've

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01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: brought in to bribe me?

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01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 24: Well, I heard you get a bit low at this

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 24: time of day and you need it a high.

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Speaker 2: So there it is when it works. Thank you, Boggsy,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it's so low, so much slee Jing. Michael Boggs

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Speaker 2: ends in me Chief Executive, twelve past six.

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Speaker 4: Hever do for see Allen.

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Speaker 2: Now, the taxpayers Unions come up with what I think

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Speaker 2: is a very good idea to try to avoid examples

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Speaker 2: like the one that we're brought to your attention yesterday

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01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: with a Western bay of plenty counselors ended up with

1514
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 2: a fifty seven percent pay increase because the remu Remuneration

1515
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: Authority decided that's the available money. Here have some more.

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: What that've suggested at the Taxpayers Union is that we

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: need to get somebody onto the board of the Remuneration

1518
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: Authority in order to influence their decisions. And apparently there

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01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: is a vacant board position. The applications closed tonight, and

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 2: the Taxpayers Union is urging the government to appoint a

1521
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: representative on the side of those who are paying the bills,

1522
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 2: as in, put somebody on there who is going to

1523
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 2: fight the case for taxpayers so that we don't get

1524
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: into don't get lumped with these increasing costs and in

1525
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 2: this case of the taxpayers, ratepayers interchangeable. You know what,

1526
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a fantastic idea and I hope that happens.

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01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 2: Murray Deeker, there's an update on his tree, Durmber the Tree.

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01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: I've got an update on the tree.

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01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 4: Wait.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of wasting money, wait for this thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplicy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by Newstalks EBB. Approaching the numbers

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy Allen on the

1534
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Mass Insurance and Investments, Your Futures in

1535
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: good Hands, Used Talks edb either.

1536
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 2: If you want to see how brutal the war in

1537
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: Ukraine is, check out the Chosen Company on YouTube. It's

1538
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 2: foreign fighters with go pro cameras fighting trench wolfare against

1539
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: the Russians. It's very sobering. Steve, thank you. We'll talk

1540
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: to the Russian to the Ukrainian ambassador. Rather, he'll be

1541
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: with us after hup US six and just give us

1542
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: a rundown of how he thinks things are going and

1543
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 2: how much longer they can keep fighting. Sixteen past six.

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01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: The Rural Report on hither do for Sea Allen.

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01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: Drive Javy McKay hosts of the Countries with me Hi

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: Jamie Good hear.

1547
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 3: They're hard to believe it's four.

1548
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 9: Years, isn't.

1549
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: I know, it's nutty and we thought it would be

1550
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: all over within about a weekend. So, you know, credits

1551
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: to the Ukrainians for holding those guys back. So Land

1552
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: Corp looks like it's doing okay.

1553
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, depending on how cynical you want to be,

1554
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: and there are some cynical farmers out there saying with

1555
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: record prices, anyone would be doing okay. But to be

1556
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: fair to Land Corp these days known as PAMU, they

1557
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 3: could be on track to hit their goal of a

1558
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 3: one hundred million dollar operating profit four years earlier than planned,

1559
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 3: because they'd hoped to hit that by twenty thirty, and

1560
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: it looks like this year they might hit it because

1561
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 3: they're forecasting an increased annual profit of somewhere between ninety

1562
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 3: seven and one hundred and seven million. This would be

1563
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 3: a very good result. It would be like about I

1564
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: was talking to the chief executive today, Mark Leslie. This

1565
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 3: would be like a five percent return on equity, which

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 3: is in any farming operation isn't too bad at all.

1567
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: And it's come off the back of productivity gains. That's

1568
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 3: good farming and continued high commodity prices. Maybe that's good

1569
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 3: luck or good fortune. So in the six month period

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 3: to December the thirty first, remembering that their financial year

1571
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 3: ends on June thirty, I've had an eleven percent increase

1572
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 3: in milk production off the back of only milking one

1573
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 3: point two percent more cows. That's a very good result.

1574
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 3: Livestock revenue has lifted fifty million from fifty million last

1575
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: year to seventy one million this year. Forty million was beef,

1576
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 3: twenty four million was sheep. That's only a half year result.

1577
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: A lot of that income will coming on the second

1578
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 3: half of the year. And these numbers do not include

1579
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 3: that These numbers were done before Fonterra announced an increase

1580
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: in the farm gate forecast milk price last week to

1581
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 3: a mid point of nine dollars fifty So all in all, Heather.

1582
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 3: Good results for Palmu, but you do have to ask

1583
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 3: the question, in these tough times, should we be farming

1584
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 3: a two billion dollar asset or should we be used

1585
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 3: salad and use that money to build hospital, schools and roads.

1586
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think that's It feels very

1587
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: much like PAMU was being lined up for sale, possibly

1588
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: after the next selection. But look, what I want to

1589
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: understand here is obviously the commodity prices have have helped

1590
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: its books. Can we sheet any of this back to

1591
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 2: Simeon Brown sending them letters and saying, listen, you need

1592
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 2: to start running the show properly.

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01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 3: I think you can because previous PAMU or Land Court

1594
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 3: management probably I'm not saying they lost their way, but

1595
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 3: the guy marked Leslie, to be fair to him, seems

1596
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 3: to be pretty focused. They've con almost sort of meat

1597
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 3: and taties back to basics. They've had the message hard

1598
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: and fast that they've got to return a meaningful dividend

1599
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 3: to the government. You know, they've got one hundred million

1600
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 3: dollar profit. That's fine and dandy. They will repay some

1601
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,839
Speaker 3: debt with that, they will reinvest some, but the government

1602
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: gets a diffidend. I think last year the dividend just

1603
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, Heather was something like

1604
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars. It's obviously going to be better than that.

1605
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: But if you've got a two billion dollar asset and

1606
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 3: your netting a dividend to the government of fifteen million,

1607
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's the case this year. I don't

1608
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: know what the dividend will be. That is not a

1609
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 3: very good return on investment.

1610
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. Now, what's Beef and Lamb's

1611
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: problem with the RMA replacement legislation.

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01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: Well, strangely Beef and Lamb and Swell are agreeing on

1613
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 3: this one, and I think dairy enz and fed farmers

1614
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 3: aren't a mile away either. Look what they're saying with

1615
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 3: the RIMA reforms is they like them. They like the intent,

1616
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: they just don't like the wording. Kate Ackland, chair of

1617
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 3: Beef and Lamb New Zealand, saying we welcome the intent. However,

1618
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 3: the way the legislation is currently written, it's missing the

1619
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 3: mark and farmers could be worse off. And they're worried

1620
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: about more onerous requirements on permitted activities, significant issues around

1621
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: fresh water plans and just consenting things that should be

1622
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 3: given in farming. We've got the ridiculous situation where some

1623
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 3: farmers cannot get set consented or have potentially cannot get

1624
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 3: consented enough water for their stock to drink. Well, you know,

1625
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 3: that's a rather dumb situation to be and you need

1626
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 3: to have a consent so that your stock can drink

1627
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 3: all the water they need so they can you know,

1628
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 3: go on and produce well. So those are some of

1629
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,839
Speaker 3: the issues. Look, the submissions closed on February to thirteenth.

1630
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 3: I think beef and Lamb got an extension for a week.

1631
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 3: But all those industry good bodies, beef and Lamb, Dairy

1632
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 3: and z Federated Farmer's ground Sweller chipping in from the side,

1633
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 3: they're all going through the submission process. So I'm hoping

1634
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 3: that the intent from the current current government will see

1635
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 3: sanity prevail. But I don't hold my breath on that

1636
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 3: one either.

1637
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: Here's hoping. Jamie, Hey, thank you very much, appreciate it, mate,

1638
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: look after yourself, Jamie McKay, Hosts of the Country. Here

1639
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 2: the land cook should be sold off. There's no where

1640
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: the government should be involved in farming. Use the money

1641
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: to pay down debt. Well, do you know what those

1642
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: two numbers that Jamie gave us. Are they shuttings? They

1643
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 2: closed the case, don't they. I mean he totally made

1644
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 2: his case with that two billion dollars to get fifteen

1645
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: million back. It's not good enough six twenty two.

1646
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all

1647
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with hen the Dupicila and Mas

1648
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands News Talk.

1649
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: ZB All right, here's your married deca up. Do you

1650
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: remember the last time Murray was on this show. He

1651
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: was talking to us about the Bahodaca where that fell

1652
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: over at his apartment complex, and they were in this

1653
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 2: massive fight with the council and the EWE because apparently

1654
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 2: it was sacred so it had to keep lying there

1655
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: forever in a day, and these guys were like, please,

1656
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 2: it's our apartment complex. Can we get rid of the

1657
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: sacred tree? Anyway, they managed to win that battle. They've

1658
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 2: got rid of the sacred tree. Trouble now is it's

1659
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 2: cost them one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. What the

1660
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 2: hell is wrong with this country? It's cost them one

1661
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty thousand dollars to get rid of the

1662
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: sacred tree. The thing is there seems to be a

1663
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 2: bit of like who paid for it? No, the apartment

1664
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: people paid for it. But what we've found out is

1665
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: that Auckland Council has a budget of over a million

1666
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: dollars to deal with this grove of bahodaka were trees

1667
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 2: because apparently the sacred that's their name to Urutapu sacred grove.

1668
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: Now here's the question that remains unanswered for me. The

1669
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 2: million dollar is for a range of works focused on

1670
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: environmental protection, public access improvements, heritage considerations, coastal resilience, blah

1671
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 2: blah blah whatever. But someone paid for the tree to

1672
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 2: be chopped up, right, So the removal of the tree

1673
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: cost one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. But the logs,

1674
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: the cut up logs had to be taken back to

1675
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 2: the Sacred grove from whence they came so they could

1676
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: go back to their mates over at the sacred grove.

1677
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: Hoe paid for that? Did the sands have to pay

1678
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 2: for that? Because if the sands paid for that, then

1679
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 2: I'm like okay, because that would have been better than

1680
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: carting them somewhere else for fire. Would probably cheaper just

1681
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: to take them nearby to the grove. But if the

1682
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 2: council's paying for that, well I'm not. I'm I'm why.

1683
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: I want to know more about this story. But anyway,

1684
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: it's a happy day for Murraydeka and I'm stoked. Six

1685
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: twenty six.

1686
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 4: There's no business like show business.

1687
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: The biographical film has never been in hot of demand,

1688
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: and Hollywood in this one is diving into its own past.

1689
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 2: They're going to tell the story of the making of

1690
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 2: Breakfast to Tiffany's. Now they've picked somebody to play Audrey

1691
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 2: Hepburn and her name is Lily Collins. She's the daughter

1692
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: of Phil Collins. Now, Lily has been working as an

1693
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: actress for a while now. Her big star making role

1694
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,560
Speaker 2: of that is that of Emily in Paris on Netflix

1695
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: except for the last season where Emily was in Italy,

1696
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: and if we're honest, she actually is Apparently some would

1697
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: say the splitting image of Hepburn. So people are pretty

1698
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: excited about it.

1699
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 9: I really like this. They literally look identical.

1700
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 14: Lily Collins also paid homage to Audrey because it Emily

1701
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 14: in Paris.

1702
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: They do a lot of different references, but the two

1703
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: of them side by side like this is uncanny. Now

1704
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: there's a bit of drama with the casting though, because

1705
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande has been campaigning to get this part for

1706
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. She's been recreating Audrey's looks

1707
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 2: on the Red Car. But she's telling anyone who asked

1708
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: that Hepburn was one of her dream parts. But if

1709
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 2: the comments on Twitter or anything to go by, it

1710
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: looks like they have made the right call with Lily Collins,

1711
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: which just goes to show obviously the squeaky wheel isn't

1712
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: always the one that gets the grease. But what is

1713
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: interesting for me personally is I have just finished reading

1714
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: Breakfast at Tiffany's. Weirdly, I found it the other day

1715
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: in the book store, and then I took it to

1716
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: the beach house, and then when I was at the

1717
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: beach house, it's ocasually read that book, that'll take it

1718
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 2: and take a hot minute, and so a beautifully written book.

1719
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: I love. I love Capoti's writing. But now I need

1720
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: to see the film because I haven't done and I

1721
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 2: don't think the film will be true to the book

1722
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Speaker 2: because I can't see how it will be. So now

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01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: I've got I've got a meta series of things to do.

1724
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: I've read the book, got to watch the film, then

1725
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: I got to watch the making of the film. My

1726
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 2: life has taken care of. Talk about Ukraine next News

1727
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 2: Talks edb.

1728
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: Cove everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1729
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather, the Duplicy Al and Mas, Insurance and investments,

1730
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: Your futures in good Haads News Talks EDBA.

1731
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: Brady is with us in about ten minutes time. As

1732
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: I told you earlier, Peter Mandelsson has been released. He's

1733
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: out on bail after questioning and he got home at

1734
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: about two in the morning, so that that'll be are

1735
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: right off of a day for him. Right now. It's

1736
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: twenty four away from seven now. The government has announced

1737
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: a further eight million dollars in new aid for Ukraine.

1738
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: Today marks the fourth anniversary of the large scale invasion

1739
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: of the country by Russia, and our contribution will now

1740
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: bring our total spend on Ukrainian assistance to around one

1741
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars. Vasilmarashnichenko is the Ukrainian ambassador

1742
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 2: to New Zealand and Australia and he's with me now. Vasal,

1743
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 2: nice to have you back. Thanks for having me eight

1744
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: million dollars is going to do much to help.

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01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 7: It's very important and we are very grateful to the

1746
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 7: Government of New Zealand for extending this new package of

1747
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 7: assistance which will be very well received in Ukraine. And

1748
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 7: the humanitarian crisis at the moment is really high, which

1749
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 7: was caused by the deliberate attacks at critical infrastructure that

1750
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 7: Russia has incessantly been pursuing right and at times of winter,

1751
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 7: while we don't have electricity supply, water supply, heating systems,

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01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 7: I mean, KIV is really offering at the moment. So

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01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 7: any support from New Zealand is very well received and

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01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 7: very much grateful to you know, Prime Minister, Foreign Minister

1755
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,879
Speaker 7: as well as the Deputy Prime Minister for their leadership

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01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 7: on this issue.

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Speaker 2: How much longer do you think this is going to.

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01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 7: Go on for It's a good question that you should

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01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 7: ask Russian ambassador in Wellington because it all depends on

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01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 7: putting and this war. I mean, I don't see an

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01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 7: end to it anytime soon, to be frank, but that's

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01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 7: a valid question to ask. And we want this war

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 7: to be over. But to force Russia into peace, we

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01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 7: must send together, we must be out there isolating Russia

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01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 7: imposing most sanctions, for which I'm thankful that New Zealand

1766
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 7: is imposing those sanctions. And we need to supply more

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01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 7: military aid to Ukraine because Russia understands strengths and you know,

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01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 7: only by you know, putting pressure in Russia that we

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 7: can increase the cost of war and actually force them

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Speaker 7: into peace. For now, they're not demonstrating any sign of

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Speaker 7: stopping this war.

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Speaker 2: How much longer do you think he can sustain the

1773
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 2: economic damage that's going on.

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Speaker 7: I can't predict it because they don't have a magic ball.

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Speaker 7: But he's you know, over one point two million Russians

1776
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 7: either dead, wounded, are captured. One point two million. I

1777
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 7: don't think he cares. That's a whole point. He doesn't care.

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01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 7: He's got one hundred and forty million people. He can

1779
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 7: probably kill another two million, and that's the point. And

1780
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 7: because dictators, they don't care about people. And he's been

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01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 7: running his country for twenty five years. He's a thought,

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01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 7: you know, and a mafia who's been you know, the

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01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 7: richest man in the world, who enriched himself and imagine himself,

1784
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 7: Peter the Great, who's want to change the borders by

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 7: force and change history. He doesn't believe Ukraine has a

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01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 7: right to exist. He doesn't believe we have any agency.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't even believe we have you know, we even

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01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 7: a separate country. He believes we all Russians who must

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01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 7: be subjugated. I mean, this is new imperialistic ambition which

1790
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 7: Putin is not pursuing. And look, there's so much a

1791
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 7: stake for New Zealand because we must work together to

1792
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 7: ensure that Russia fails, and that will be the best

1793
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 7: deterrence we can build in the region, because this is

1794
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 7: what you know, other authoritarian leaders in the region in

1795
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 7: Asia may take as a blueprint and they use it

1796
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 7: as a road map. And we need to create that

1797
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 7: deterrence by ensuring that Russia fails and it's held accountable

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Speaker 7: for the crime of aggression.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like the most likely way that

1800
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: this all comes to an end is through is through

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Speaker 2: a US broken peace deal. What would be acceptable do

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Speaker 2: you think to Zelenski, what would he be prepared to

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Speaker 2: give up to make the stop?

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Speaker 7: I don't think we have to give up anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, you are dealing with Donald Trump, so let's be

1806
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: realistic now.

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01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 7: But this is not about Donald Trump. This is about Russia,

1808
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 7: and the pressure should be on Russia that they need

1809
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 7: to stop this war. They already controlled twenty percent of

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Speaker 7: the territory. I mean, it's not that the Ukraine has

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Speaker 7: to give up anything. I mean imagine that, you know,

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01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 7: enemy occupies your northern Ireland, but they offer you peace

1813
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 7: if you can just all move to southern Ireland, just

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Speaker 7: live there, and Northern Ireland would be occupied.

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Speaker 2: I know it's offensive, I mean the thought of it

1816
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: as offensive, but it is also we're dealing with reality

1817
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: and politics here, right If it's occupying twenty percent of

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01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: the country, surely that is what Ukraine has to give up.

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Speaker 7: It's we you know, Baltic nations were occupied by the

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Speaker 7: Soviets in nineteen forty five and they remained under the

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01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 7: occupation until they became liberated. And Western world has never

1822
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 7: recognized the occupation of lata Estonia or Lithenia, and nobody

1823
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,839
Speaker 7: is going to ever recognize the control of the Russia

1824
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Speaker 7: of Russia in the territories as they have occupied, including

1825
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 7: Crimea will so we this is and by the way,

1826
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 7: this is nothing about territory. This is about people who

1827
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 7: live there, because life under occupation is horrible and we

1828
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 7: are fighting for those people because we know what happens

1829
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 7: when they're under the Russian occupation. We know that any

1830
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 7: sign of resistance, they get detained, they get tortured, they

1831
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 7: get raped, they are in jails and their identities getting erased.

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01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 7: They are forced to accept Russian passports. The kids go

1833
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 7: to school. Once they graduate to school, they're recruited and

1834
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 7: they are sent to the front lines to get killed.

1835
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 7: This is what happens under the Russian occupation and we

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01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 7: all understand it. So we are fighting for Ukrainian people,

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01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 7: We're not fighting for land percent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So then what would it take to end this?

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01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 2: Because if Ukraine is not prepared to give up territory

1840
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: and Potent's not going to finish, he doesn't care how

1841
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 2: many people die, then this just carries on, doesn't it.

1842
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 7: Well, it's been going on for twelve years now and

1843
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 7: four years in the past, kind of any different stage

1844
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 7: and intensity, And it's a valid question to ask. But

1845
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 7: again it's not a question for Ukraine because we don't

1846
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 7: have an alternative. It's not like we stop fighting in

1847
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 7: the war ends. If we stop fighting, we're going to

1848
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,759
Speaker 7: end up living under the Russian occupation.

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01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: But I mean isn't this exactly? This gets to the

1850
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 2: nub of why Donald Trump is so frustrated, isn't it,

1851
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: Because like, I'm not, I'm not by any means saying

1852
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 2: that the man is right. But if he cannot get

1853
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 2: any concessions out of Ukraine, then the fighting continues.

1854
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 7: But I'm sorry, who told you that that that Russia

1855
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 7: wants concessions from Ukraine? Russia wants Ukraine totally erased that

1856
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 7: what Russia wants. Yes, yes, this is what But this

1857
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 7: is what Putchin said at the very beginning.

1858
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: It is your argument. So is your argument, vessel, that

1859
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: they will set all right now for whe where the

1860
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 2: frontline is or you know, Denesku or something like that,

1861
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: and then it will just spark up again later on

1862
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 2: because he wants everything exactly.

1863
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 7: This is what happened already twice. You know, it happened

1864
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 7: in you know, he invaded Ukraine in twenty fourteen. Eight

1865
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 7: years later, he was emboldened by the weak reaction to

1866
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 7: that invasion. Yeah, he came back with a bigger war

1867
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 7: with an aim of taking over Ukraine. And now the

1868
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 7: war is so full blonde. So we shouldn't be in

1869
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 7: talking about the future when he force Russia into peace

1870
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 7: at the moment, and therefore it's you know, New Zealand

1871
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 7: has a vested interest that's for the future of your

1872
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 7: security and your stability here in the region, because if

1873
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 7: Russia can get away with what they've done in Ukraine,

1874
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 7: I mean, there are many other authoritarian leaders here in

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01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 7: Sousius Asia, you know, far East. I mean, there are

1876
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 7: not many democracies around you except for Australia. And you

1877
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 7: know that's the whole point. And the Pandora box that

1878
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 7: Russia has opened has undermined global security. And look, we

1879
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 7: are fighting for democracy, human rights, for freedom or speech

1880
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 7: and something which is dear to every New Zealander. Russia

1881
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 7: doesn't care about it. Russia wants to destroy democracies. They're

1882
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 7: trying to undermine European Union. They are trying to undermine

1883
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 7: other democracies. They are pushing their disinformation propaganda globally. You know,

1884
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 7: the narratives, Russian narratives in the global souths and Southsius

1885
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 7: Asia are dominating. We've lost Southeast Asia. You know, your

1886
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 7: neighbors believe that Russia is right or they aren't you concerned.

1887
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 2: I suppose everybody is to some degree Vassil, thank you

1888
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 2: very much. I really appreciate your time and best of

1889
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 2: luck with everything. Vassal Miroshi Yuchenko, who is the Ukrainian

1890
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 2: ambassadors to New Zealand and Australia. Sixteen away from seven

1891
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 2: Heather do for celis here the why interview any Ukrainian

1892
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 2: or Russian? Your interview is one hundred percent irrelevant or

1893
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 2: newstalks at, do you know what I mean? Look, that's

1894
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 2: a fair point, right, What's the point in having a

1895
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: chat about it the ars end of the world when

1896
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 2: the thing is happening over in Europe. But I think

1897
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 2: he probably said it as well as anybody can. Right,

1898
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: If you allow territorial gains in places in Europe, then

1899
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: old make Jijingping is suddenly like might just think about

1900
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 2: my own expansionary plans or whatever. That's an argument to

1901
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: be made. But also you're paying for this right, which

1902
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: touched another eight million in it now takes the total

1903
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty million. There is a legitimate

1904
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 2: argument to be made in Western democracies around the world

1905
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 2: about whether we think Ukraine should keep fighting or give

1906
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: up the land. Now, I've said before in the past,

1907
01:31:58,040 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: I just think it's time to call an end to

1908
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 2: the It's like how many people have to die, how

1909
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 2: much more money has to be spent, whatever, that's a

1910
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 2: legitimate debate to have happen anywhere in the world. That's

1911
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 2: funding this. Listen just quickly, Mighty Ape, I need to

1912
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 2: tell you about this because there's a good Mighty I

1913
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 2: don't know if you've been following the story of Mighty eight,

1914
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: but Mighty Ape has had quite a big problem with

1915
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 2: what's been going on with the ce CEOs. I think

1916
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: they have their third CEO in just a really short period,

1917
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 2: depart in in December. They've now changed the corporate structure.

1918
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 2: They've appointed a GM and the GM is going to

1919
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: report to senior management at the parent company, Cogan and Australia.

1920
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: So no more CEOs in New Zealand. Basically because like

1921
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: let's be honest about it, Mighty eight is not doing

1922
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 2: very well and Cogan is doing very well over in Australia.

1923
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: Mighty eight sales down more than thirteen percents, made an

1924
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: eight million dollars Australian loss, whereas Cogan is having a

1925
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 2: completely different story, and so they want to basically align

1926
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 2: them and help Mighty Ape out.

1927
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 4: Now.

1928
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm surprised to hear Mighty Ape is not doing well

1929
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 2: because Ant's got me on to it because he's a

1930
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 2: big user of it, and he said yes. I was like,

1931
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 2: is this a legit or a scam? And he's like, no,

1932
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Speaker 2: it's a real thing. Buy stuff from it. So I

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Speaker 2: did their stuff. No one gets stuff to you faster

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Speaker 2: than Mighty Ape. You buy something from Marty App, it'll

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Speaker 2: be with you the next day or the day thereafter.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you can buy wonderful stuff that you need for

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Speaker 2: a fraction of the cost. And it's not like it's

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Speaker 2: not like TMU crap. It's proper good stuff. So I'm

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Speaker 2: surprised that they are not doing very well, and I

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Speaker 2: just wonder if there's a marketing problem there, Like more

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Speaker 2: people should know that it's a legit website that's actually

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Speaker 2: awesome to use. Indebrady next fourteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ever it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas Insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments with your futures in good hands us talks that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be Heather, How good was that ambassador? Can't accuse them

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Speaker 2: of not being passionate today here the one time we

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Speaker 2: ordered cat food on Mighty Ape and they knocked on

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Speaker 2: the door at ten p thirty that night. It was scary,

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Speaker 2: but it was also welcome. See I told you that

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Speaker 2: fast eleven away from seven Indebrady UK correspondents with us.

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Speaker 9: Hello Ender have the a great to speak again.

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Speaker 2: So Peter Mendelssohn is out on bail? Is he?

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Speaker 9: He is released late last night so he was picked

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Speaker 9: up by the police about four pm in the afternoon.

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Speaker 9: He is the second high profile arrest that we've had

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Speaker 9: in a week here in connection with the Epstein files.

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Speaker 9: I should say that he denies any wrongdoing whatsoever. He

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Speaker 9: was taken away by police yesterday afternoon. Two properties belonging

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Speaker 9: to Mandlsoon, one in London and one in Whilschhair were

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Speaker 9: both searched and he was arrested on suspicion of misconduct

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Speaker 9: in a public office, which is exactly the same allegation

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Speaker 9: being leveled against Andrew Mountbatten windsor So. Both men out

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Speaker 9: on bail pending further inquiries.

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Speaker 2: Now why is I mean, what is the real I

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Speaker 2: can't even phrase this question properly into because I can't

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Speaker 2: understand this. What plausible explanation does the BBC have for

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Speaker 2: not having heard the inward when they had two hours?

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Speaker 9: This is so so bad. So this was the Bafts

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Speaker 9: the other night, And just to put this in context,

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Speaker 9: the industry were working. We spend a lot of time

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Speaker 9: in edit suites, listening to things, watching things, listening to

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Speaker 9: how it will sound at home to an audience. And

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Speaker 9: someone in the BBC has sat through the Bafts the

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Speaker 9: other night. And the situation we're dealing with is there

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Speaker 9: was a Turet's film basically called I Swear and the

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Speaker 9: young man playing the Scottish guy who has Tourett's he

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Speaker 9: ends up winning Best Actor, he beat Dicapriole. He and

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Speaker 9: Nard of DiCaprio's sitting there watching all of this, as

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Speaker 9: is Timothy Challomay. And the original guy whose life is

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Speaker 9: based on a Scottish guy with Tourett's is in the audience. However,

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Speaker 9: we know what Tourette's is, and he can it's involuntary

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Speaker 9: and he can't control what he's saying. What then happens

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Speaker 9: is two black actors are on the stage at the

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Speaker 9: Bafts in front of Prince William and Kate Noless and

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Speaker 9: DiCaprio and Challo May. While the two black actors are

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Speaker 9: on stage, you can hear someone in the audience say

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Speaker 9: loudly the N word. Turns out it's the Scottish guy

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Speaker 9: with Turet's who was then so embarrassed by what he'd

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Speaker 9: said he got up and left the auditorium spool. Then

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Speaker 9: forward a couple of hours to the BBC edit Sweets.

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Speaker 9: They're putting together the highlights package and they've left that

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Speaker 9: audio in and don't tell me this is not you know,

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Speaker 9: just like a simple mistake. Someone else on stage later

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Speaker 9: said free Palestine. Free Palestine was removed from the edit

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Speaker 9: and the N word was left in, So go figure

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Speaker 9: it is so bad.

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Speaker 2: But even if you don't hear it right in the

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Speaker 2: editing suite, surely within two hours somebody's called you up

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Speaker 2: and being like, oh my gosh, mate, did you see

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Speaker 2: what happened? How did that phone? Do not happen? At

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Speaker 2: the BBC?

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Speaker 9: Nothing makes sense of the BBC, honestly, Heather. I mean,

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Speaker 9: it's it's just them to beyond bad corporation, that's what

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Speaker 9: I call it.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Nothing makes sense of the BBC. I love it

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Speaker 2: in the look after yourself. We took to you soon

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Speaker 2: into Brady, UK correspondent seven Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see allan Drive full show

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Speaker 2: Heather. I am appalled at your quizzling attitude to the

2012
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Speaker 2: illegal and immoral invasion of Ukraine. By putin what needs

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Speaker 2: to happen is for all Western democracies to support Ukraine

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Speaker 2: to total recovery of its territory. Otherwise, start learning Chinese. Peter,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to freak you out by saying to you,

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Speaker 2: is it really that bad at the like? Is the

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Speaker 2: thought of having to learn Chinese really that bad? Because

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Speaker 2: play this out in your head mate, just for what,

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Speaker 2: Just indulge me for one second. G's coming for us.

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Speaker 2: G turns up and he's like, that's it. I want

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Speaker 2: your potatoes and all of your sheep. So I'm taking

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Speaker 2: the whole lot of Yeah, the whole place is because

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Speaker 2: that's what he'd want if he want he want, he'd

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Speaker 2: want some farms, right, so he'd be like, yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: got to feed my people, thanks very much, need the milk.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do? Are you gonna fight him?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm not I'm going to be like, Okay, that's cool,

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Speaker 2: where's my expander in class? Also, I'm I'm I just

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Speaker 2: I'd just be the worst, So I just fall over.

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Speaker 2: And if you are going to fight you, if you,

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Speaker 2: if you, if we're going to play this logical, this

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Speaker 2: game that we're playing of what's the worst possible thing

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Speaker 2: it can happen China invades us? What are you going

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Speaker 2: to like? What do we think we're gonna achieve by

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Speaker 2: fighting against China and this hypothetical reality nothing? So you'd

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Speaker 2: be better off just giving up and going And there's

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Speaker 2: the yeah, I thought of being the seventh state of

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Speaker 2: Australia has evaporated because now we're China ants.

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Speaker 25: then when you get there you get an exclusive six

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Speaker 25: sixty acoustic set before the big gig.

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Speaker 2: How that's cool. Yeah, that's very cool.

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Speaker 4: They do.

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Speaker 2: They are good. These guys got it. Doesn't it say

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Speaker 2: like they know what they're up to?

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: So listen to sn Worry he's not getting paid, he

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Speaker 2: assures us. He's not getting paid by in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow, and News Talks a bit.

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Speaker 4: Freakinal no me.

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Speaker 5: On never no what second pass, no pay, no dun.

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