1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: With us. Now we have Jason Wall's News Talk z 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: be's Politically as Hi, Jason, Good afternoon, Heather. Who cares 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: about the swearing? 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't even bad well in the scheme of things, No, 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: And I was just actually having quite an interesting chat 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: with your producer there just about the consistencies here. I mean, 7 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: David Seymour obviously talking about how bad he thinks the 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: swearing is and the standards of this place. But it 9 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: was one. It was his deputy leader that dropped the 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: sea bomb in the House a couple of weeks ago. 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: Now admittedly completely different circumstances. I would say that arguably 12 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Brook van Velden was using it sort of more to 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: defend herself and what had been thrown at her and 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: her fellow ministerial colleagues. But today in the House, I mean, 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: you know, listen, listen, listen. If you haven't heard it, 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: here is how it went down with Debora Russell and 17 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: David Seymour this morning. 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what was the unparliamentary artist. 19 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: One thing I should have kept under my breath. 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: We'll just tell people like to. 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Parliamentary and I shouldn't have seen it. So she was 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: she she was quote herself. And she didn't have to 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: say it like that. She could have said for f's sake, 24 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: but she did it because you know, there was a 25 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: little bit of sort of it kind of gets all 26 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: attention on it. I mean, listen, we're talking about it 27 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: right now. And a few minutes later, Duncan Webb Duncan Webb, 28 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: who's also labor MP, said something similar. Do you want 29 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: to correct that or are you going to keep saying 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: something which is not accurate? 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think you could argue with something that's not 32 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: the precise. However, well I would call it making sit up. 33 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: Okay, hang out. The interesting thing about the Duncan web 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: one is that I was on Instagram just before and 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: he had clipped that up himself and put it on 36 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: his own Instagram. So it's clearly a device that they're 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: using to kind of grab headlines here and being a 38 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: little bit sweary berry to get people interested in it. And 39 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The thing that they were talking 40 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: about before he said that he was making quote shit 41 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: up was regulations around the how many parts per thousand 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: milligrams are in flour. And it's not exactly headline grabbing stuff. 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: So it's all a stun or And we talked about 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: this before Heather sometimes the labor MPs, and of course 45 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: David Seymour does it as well. They're go in wearing 46 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: little lapel makes to get it clipped up for their 47 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: social media. So it's all a bit of a game, okay. 48 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: And the thing about it is these guys. So first 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: of all, it Duncan Web is a nerd, so this 50 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: makes them a lot more accessible to the average person. 51 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: And is it not also so you can see why 52 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: it works for him to do this, but also is 53 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: it not rich from David Seymour who fameless famously went 54 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: out and said the French love the cock and the 55 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: whole thing was contrived. So he himself knows how to 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: how to kind of, you know, get the get attention 57 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: for saying naughty things, doesn't he Oh? 58 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And he did it before the twenty seventeen election 59 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: as well with the New Zealanders. 60 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: I feel like I just need to quickly clarify he 61 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: was talking about the bird. 62 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: The bird, Yeah, yeah, you know, he was talking about 63 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: the French and the rope team. But David Seymour has 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 2: I mean to what you were saying, he has done 65 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: this before. Was Richard Prosser, who was a New Zealand 66 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: first MP, was talking about nationalizing the energy companies to 67 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: a conference and David Seymour stood up and said, what 68 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: an effing idiot in front of everybody, and we all 69 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: got on our lap and we started writing stories up 70 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: about how David seymol said it. So politicians, and I've 71 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: always said this, they all have one f bomb in 72 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: them that they can use to grab attention without getting 73 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: in trouble. You just need to know when to use it. 74 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Now, what is this line in the sand 75 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: that Paul Goldsmith has drawn? 76 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: Treaty Minister Paul Goldsmith said during a Select committee this 77 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: morning that the government will not agree to a treaty 78 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: settlement that disputes whether the Crown is now sovereign, and 79 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: that includes any EWE which may have an agree to 80 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: disagree clause around whether or not Marty did seed sovereignty, 81 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: such as Stefan now Apanui, which has had such a 82 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: clause within its settlement negotiations. So in their deed notes, 83 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: the twelve HAPO that make up the EWI consider that 84 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: they are a sovereign nation that never ceded sovereignty to 85 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: the Crown and retain that sovereignty today now, Goldsmith said 86 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: the government is uncomfortable with this agree to disagree clause 87 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: and it is not prepared to progress the settlement without 88 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: that being removed. So that was in the Select Committee 89 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: today and he said that it made it difficult in 90 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: the sense that you're signing up to a full and 91 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: final settlement, but the entity fundamentally doesn't acknowledge the authority 92 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: of the Crown to do it in that respect, and 93 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: we were and he says that the government wasn't comfortable 94 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: with that, and he went on to say the Crown's 95 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: position is clear. The Crown is sovereign and the Crown 96 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: is simply the representation of the democratic will of the 97 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: people of New Zealand. So there's a bit of a 98 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: a stalish brewing there, so we'll watch to see how 99 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: this one plays out. Very interesting. 100 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it. That's Jason Wall's 101 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: News Talk ZIB's political editap. For more from Hither Duplassy 102 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: Alan Drive, listen live to news Talk z it'd be 103 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.