1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:14,547 Speaker 2: Look to drive it away, I got down the left 4 00:00:14,547 --> 00:00:18,507 Speaker 2: hand light. What happened there, dem REI god sneaks away 5 00:00:19,067 --> 00:00:21,987 Speaker 2: from outside of twenty two and the All Black score 6 00:00:22,067 --> 00:00:24,347 Speaker 2: the first of the night. Yeah. The All Black stumping 7 00:00:24,387 --> 00:00:28,467 Speaker 2: France forty three seventeen and Wellington last night to reclaim 8 00:00:28,507 --> 00:00:31,947 Speaker 2: the Dave Gallaher Trophy for the first time since twenty eighteen. 9 00:00:32,587 --> 00:00:35,707 Speaker 2: Very comprehensive first half, A twenty nine to three lead 10 00:00:35,747 --> 00:00:37,867 Speaker 2: at the break that laid the platform for one of 11 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:41,587 Speaker 2: the better wins of the Scott Robertson era. All Black's 12 00:00:41,587 --> 00:00:44,827 Speaker 2: assistant coach Tumoty Ellison is with us. Tumoty, thanks for 13 00:00:44,867 --> 00:00:47,467 Speaker 2: your time this afternoon. What were your first thoughts on 14 00:00:47,507 --> 00:00:50,227 Speaker 2: the game when you woke up this morning and had 15 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:51,467 Speaker 2: given it the overnight test. 16 00:00:53,027 --> 00:00:56,907 Speaker 3: I think we were probably started with better intent in 17 00:00:56,947 --> 00:01:00,827 Speaker 3: the collisions than we did last week. I think we 18 00:01:00,907 --> 00:01:04,387 Speaker 3: found some flow with our tech also similar to last week, 19 00:01:05,347 --> 00:01:07,267 Speaker 3: just probably completed more at first half. 20 00:01:07,707 --> 00:01:09,867 Speaker 2: If we talk about the improvements that you were really 21 00:01:09,987 --> 00:01:12,547 Speaker 2: hoping for from the team and worked on during the week, 22 00:01:13,107 --> 00:01:15,827 Speaker 2: what were they and how happy were you with the 23 00:01:16,427 --> 00:01:18,907 Speaker 2: step up in those particular areas. 24 00:01:19,827 --> 00:01:22,307 Speaker 3: I think on the defensive side of the ball again, 25 00:01:22,587 --> 00:01:25,747 Speaker 3: around our tent and our tackle height. You were seen 26 00:01:25,827 --> 00:01:28,387 Speaker 3: last week in Duned and we probably we wrote a 27 00:01:28,427 --> 00:01:31,227 Speaker 3: few too many tackles and against big sides, you know, 28 00:01:31,267 --> 00:01:33,987 Speaker 3: they can just eat the game lineup and continue to 29 00:01:33,987 --> 00:01:37,067 Speaker 3: play on top of you. So we were happy with 30 00:01:37,227 --> 00:01:39,387 Speaker 3: parts of that in the first half, which is then 31 00:01:40,627 --> 00:01:45,147 Speaker 3: a few more turnovers than that we could attack from 32 00:01:45,187 --> 00:01:45,907 Speaker 3: turnover ball. 33 00:01:46,147 --> 00:01:48,427 Speaker 2: Britan Evans has coming to the coaching group to work 34 00:01:48,467 --> 00:01:51,587 Speaker 2: on line out efficiency, and your first three tries came 35 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:53,867 Speaker 2: from lineouts. He's earning his money already by the looks 36 00:01:53,867 --> 00:01:54,387 Speaker 2: of things. 37 00:01:54,707 --> 00:01:58,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a good relationship with Healthie, with Jason Holland, 38 00:01:58,387 --> 00:02:00,507 Speaker 3: and it's great to see it to an area of 39 00:02:00,547 --> 00:02:03,907 Speaker 3: the game where from last year really have an emphasis 40 00:02:03,907 --> 00:02:06,907 Speaker 3: on our strike. So it's been nice for those men 41 00:02:06,947 --> 00:02:10,907 Speaker 3: to work together and give Jesse Ryan some time to 42 00:02:11,387 --> 00:02:12,947 Speaker 3: keep his eyes across other things. 43 00:02:13,187 --> 00:02:15,507 Speaker 2: I think that cam royguard try the first one is 44 00:02:16,067 --> 00:02:20,267 Speaker 2: out of the Hurricanes playbook, so Brillivan's obviously going straight 45 00:02:20,307 --> 00:02:22,067 Speaker 2: from the Hurricanes into the All Blacks. And bringing the 46 00:02:22,107 --> 00:02:24,827 Speaker 2: same moves with the same same outcomes. 47 00:02:25,227 --> 00:02:29,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they've got some hurricanes bones and that that 48 00:02:29,707 --> 00:02:34,627 Speaker 3: strike group with both Brendan and Alfie. Yeah, it was 49 00:02:34,627 --> 00:02:35,387 Speaker 3: a beauty. 50 00:02:35,787 --> 00:02:39,107 Speaker 2: Two paul vas try flowing move. How much of that 51 00:02:39,227 --> 00:02:42,907 Speaker 2: tumity has trained, you know, in terms of attack and 52 00:02:43,027 --> 00:02:45,787 Speaker 2: how much is that just the player's high level skill 53 00:02:45,827 --> 00:02:47,147 Speaker 2: sets in the heat of the moment. 54 00:02:47,827 --> 00:02:50,707 Speaker 3: I think it's both. We have players that have high 55 00:02:50,747 --> 00:02:53,667 Speaker 3: level skill sets, some great footwork and ability to move 56 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:55,667 Speaker 3: the ball, so that during the working week you have 57 00:02:55,747 --> 00:02:58,907 Speaker 3: to give them opportunity to continue to grow those skill 58 00:02:58,907 --> 00:03:01,587 Speaker 3: sets that they have. So yeah, it was nice to 59 00:03:01,587 --> 00:03:05,307 Speaker 3: see clear ear punching through and sighting the target and 60 00:03:05,347 --> 00:03:06,307 Speaker 3: the boys getting over there. 61 00:03:06,707 --> 00:03:09,147 Speaker 2: How do you evaluate Billy Proctor's development in the number 62 00:03:09,187 --> 00:03:09,947 Speaker 2: thirteen Jersey? 63 00:03:10,667 --> 00:03:14,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's new from some of the adjustments 64 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:17,787 Speaker 3: and test footy. 65 00:03:17,227 --> 00:03:19,227 Speaker 2: What sort of things in particular, I. 66 00:03:19,187 --> 00:03:23,147 Speaker 3: Think defensively just working at how much lines but he 67 00:03:23,227 --> 00:03:26,867 Speaker 3: needs to bring and how connect he needs to be 68 00:03:26,947 --> 00:03:29,027 Speaker 3: with his insights. You know, one of the best edge 69 00:03:29,067 --> 00:03:33,827 Speaker 3: defenders in super rugby without a doubt. So he'll continue 70 00:03:33,867 --> 00:03:36,147 Speaker 3: to grow and make some adjustments and as a player 71 00:03:36,147 --> 00:03:40,187 Speaker 3: who's hungry to get better, so it will become easier. 72 00:03:40,747 --> 00:03:43,187 Speaker 3: You're taking sight of the boys. He's great, nice offtset 73 00:03:43,187 --> 00:03:46,307 Speaker 3: a hand, So both those areas will continue to develop. 74 00:03:46,627 --> 00:03:48,307 Speaker 2: A lot of kicking last night, as we knew there 75 00:03:48,347 --> 00:03:49,787 Speaker 2: was going to be, and it's always a bit tricky 76 00:03:49,787 --> 00:03:54,227 Speaker 2: and Wellington with the unique conditions inside sky Stadium. How 77 00:03:54,267 --> 00:03:57,147 Speaker 2: do you assess your kicking game in general terms? 78 00:03:57,667 --> 00:03:59,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Body mentioned that halftime. He just he 79 00:03:59,787 --> 00:04:02,507 Speaker 3: pushed a couple a week bit long, so they're able 80 00:04:02,547 --> 00:04:06,067 Speaker 3: to mark them a couple opportunities there to bring them 81 00:04:06,107 --> 00:04:08,627 Speaker 3: forward and then go into our tackle plans. But also 82 00:04:08,747 --> 00:04:11,827 Speaker 3: thought we kicked on top really well and Will Jordan 83 00:04:11,867 --> 00:04:13,907 Speaker 3: whiped a few back to back corners and we're able 84 00:04:13,947 --> 00:04:17,027 Speaker 3: to put them under and there's some pressure we put 85 00:04:17,067 --> 00:04:18,987 Speaker 3: the bouncing ball on a greasy, greezy night. 86 00:04:19,747 --> 00:04:21,667 Speaker 2: Do we need to get rid of this deliberate knockdown 87 00:04:21,747 --> 00:04:22,627 Speaker 2: yellow card rule? 88 00:04:24,747 --> 00:04:28,267 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think you have to look at things 89 00:04:28,307 --> 00:04:31,227 Speaker 3: and work out how much time the player had to 90 00:04:31,267 --> 00:04:35,027 Speaker 3: make a decision and versus someone who's defensively in the 91 00:04:35,067 --> 00:04:39,587 Speaker 3: line coming forward. But I think I'm not sure that 92 00:04:39,707 --> 00:04:43,027 Speaker 3: the yellow card part. But I think you have to 93 00:04:43,027 --> 00:04:45,587 Speaker 3: read the situation, that's for sure, the context of when 94 00:04:45,627 --> 00:04:46,147 Speaker 3: it's happened. 95 00:04:46,267 --> 00:04:49,227 Speaker 2: Totally. Look, I totally get them. If he's knocked it down, 96 00:04:49,267 --> 00:04:51,227 Speaker 2: that's fine, but the yellow card part of it. Body 97 00:04:51,267 --> 00:04:53,107 Speaker 2: even said afterwards, Tommy, he might have hurt his comments. 98 00:04:53,107 --> 00:04:55,387 Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't have time to make that decision, 99 00:04:55,507 --> 00:04:57,507 Speaker 2: and if a player of his caliber doesn't then he can. 100 00:04:58,307 --> 00:04:59,587 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right. 101 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:01,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, the chance to add another player to the All 102 00:05:01,627 --> 00:05:03,867 Speaker 2: Blacks family last night to Mathy Tava Tava, Nah, I 103 00:05:03,987 --> 00:05:06,307 Speaker 2: came on in the first half as a as a 104 00:05:06,427 --> 00:05:09,147 Speaker 2: at a replacement for Jordie and then had you know, 105 00:05:09,227 --> 00:05:11,347 Speaker 2: another fifteen twenty minutes in the second half. What did 106 00:05:11,347 --> 00:05:12,347 Speaker 2: you make of his test debut? 107 00:05:13,307 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he got on top. I thought he 108 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:17,987 Speaker 3: was really keen, especially right at the end of the 109 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:21,827 Speaker 3: game where I think he had multiple multiple touches and 110 00:05:21,867 --> 00:05:24,827 Speaker 3: carries on the same play. Today, he was hungry, and 111 00:05:25,147 --> 00:05:28,187 Speaker 3: I think the more opportunity's given them more he'll be 112 00:05:28,267 --> 00:05:31,147 Speaker 3: able to show what we're seeing jury super He's been great, 113 00:05:31,467 --> 00:05:34,947 Speaker 3: you know, he's really fit it into the group nicely, 114 00:05:34,987 --> 00:05:37,987 Speaker 3: and I think getting the first one under his belt 115 00:05:37,987 --> 00:05:39,107 Speaker 3: will really set him up. 116 00:05:39,387 --> 00:05:41,427 Speaker 2: As a coaching group, ben as a playing group. I guess, 117 00:05:41,427 --> 00:05:44,547 Speaker 2: how do you best prepare a player during the week 118 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:46,067 Speaker 2: leading into his test debut. 119 00:05:47,507 --> 00:05:49,227 Speaker 3: I think the leaders do a really good job of 120 00:05:50,187 --> 00:05:54,787 Speaker 3: setting examples. Your field staff support the player and his 121 00:05:54,827 --> 00:05:58,787 Speaker 3: family and help them line things up, and you know, 122 00:05:58,827 --> 00:06:00,707 Speaker 3: so they can concentrate on what they're really good at. 123 00:06:01,107 --> 00:06:03,187 Speaker 3: And there's a lot more moving parts in a bigger 124 00:06:03,427 --> 00:06:07,107 Speaker 3: and a bigger machine, so we really want them to 125 00:06:07,107 --> 00:06:09,267 Speaker 3: to focus on what they're already good at and hopefully 126 00:06:09,347 --> 00:06:11,947 Speaker 3: that that comes easier to them. We've got great leaders. 127 00:06:12,027 --> 00:06:14,907 Speaker 3: That's a great example, so you know that's normally done, 128 00:06:14,987 --> 00:06:15,587 Speaker 3: and it must. 129 00:06:15,387 --> 00:06:16,947 Speaker 2: Be really cool to be able to celebrate that sort 130 00:06:16,987 --> 00:06:18,747 Speaker 2: of thing afterwards. I know, you know you've obviously much 131 00:06:18,787 --> 00:06:20,667 Speaker 2: better when you've had a good win, but it must 132 00:06:20,707 --> 00:06:22,867 Speaker 2: be really cool looking around at a shit afterwards and 133 00:06:22,907 --> 00:06:25,787 Speaker 2: seeing a new guy like him and welcoming him in 134 00:06:25,787 --> 00:06:26,267 Speaker 2: in that way. 135 00:06:27,427 --> 00:06:32,187 Speaker 3: That's amazing. I think everyone remembers the first time and 136 00:06:32,467 --> 00:06:36,747 Speaker 3: the great job you know of field staff, and I 137 00:06:36,987 --> 00:06:41,147 Speaker 3: like to get families involved and make that moment really special. 138 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:44,587 Speaker 2: So we go to Hamilton now for the third test. 139 00:06:44,947 --> 00:06:47,307 Speaker 2: Does the victory last night Tamata and the series win 140 00:06:47,947 --> 00:06:49,867 Speaker 2: give you a bit more freedom when it comes to 141 00:06:49,947 --> 00:06:52,347 Speaker 2: team selection next week, given guys who haven't had a 142 00:06:52,347 --> 00:06:54,667 Speaker 2: game in this series yet the chance to have one. 143 00:06:56,827 --> 00:06:59,507 Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly. I think it gives us confidence. 144 00:07:00,947 --> 00:07:04,187 Speaker 3: It gives us some nice energy to go and build 145 00:07:04,187 --> 00:07:06,587 Speaker 3: a better week than we had this week. I think 146 00:07:06,627 --> 00:07:10,267 Speaker 3: that's important. We're really clear on where we can make 147 00:07:10,307 --> 00:07:13,827 Speaker 3: improvements in our structure. It's only week two, so I 148 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:15,627 Speaker 3: think that's what it will give us more than anything. 149 00:07:16,507 --> 00:07:18,067 Speaker 2: How much are you growing as a coach in the 150 00:07:18,067 --> 00:07:18,947 Speaker 2: All Black's environment. 151 00:07:20,187 --> 00:07:21,787 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. You have to ask the players. 152 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:24,747 Speaker 2: How are you enjoying it? Then? 153 00:07:25,627 --> 00:07:28,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really enjoy it. I enjoy the work. It's 154 00:07:28,587 --> 00:07:31,707 Speaker 3: not for everyone. You know, the late nights. We've had 155 00:07:31,787 --> 00:07:34,227 Speaker 3: Wayne Smith in this week and you know he said 156 00:07:34,227 --> 00:07:37,067 Speaker 3: to me last night about one in the morning the 157 00:07:37,147 --> 00:07:41,787 Speaker 3: back of the telly he never was comfortable as an 158 00:07:41,787 --> 00:07:44,627 Speaker 3: All Black coach. So it's one of those things if 159 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:47,467 Speaker 3: you want to do it for a reasonable period and 160 00:07:47,707 --> 00:07:52,947 Speaker 3: be successful, it's every day it's turning up. And the 161 00:07:53,227 --> 00:07:56,707 Speaker 3: thing I really enjoy is is making others better and 162 00:07:56,867 --> 00:07:59,227 Speaker 3: you get up and get an opportunity to find something 163 00:07:59,267 --> 00:08:02,267 Speaker 3: in someone's game that you can help improve, and you 164 00:08:02,347 --> 00:08:03,267 Speaker 3: know that's really rewarding. 165 00:08:03,787 --> 00:08:05,507 Speaker 2: I guess we don't see any of that stuff, do we. 166 00:08:05,587 --> 00:08:07,267 Speaker 2: As you say the late nights, I'm sure you're on 167 00:08:07,307 --> 00:08:10,427 Speaker 2: your laptop a lot. You're probably you know, thinking about 168 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:12,467 Speaker 2: rugby all the time. All we see is the eighty 169 00:08:12,507 --> 00:08:15,267 Speaker 2: minutes on a Saturday. It sounds like there's a heck 170 00:08:15,307 --> 00:08:16,707 Speaker 2: of a lot that goes into it during the week. 171 00:08:16,787 --> 00:08:18,907 Speaker 2: Letting into a test, yeah. 172 00:08:18,787 --> 00:08:22,227 Speaker 3: It can be, but but again it's it's what the 173 00:08:22,307 --> 00:08:26,387 Speaker 3: Jusey demands and we understand that commitment when when you 174 00:08:26,507 --> 00:08:26,907 Speaker 3: sign up. 175 00:08:26,987 --> 00:08:31,227 Speaker 2: So yeah, good man, Tummody, congrats on the win last night. 176 00:08:31,267 --> 00:08:32,347 Speaker 2: All the best for the week. You hit as you 177 00:08:32,467 --> 00:08:33,067 Speaker 2: hit to Hamilton. 178 00:08:33,507 --> 00:08:34,747 Speaker 3: Thanks Poni, you appreciate the call. 179 00:08:34,827 --> 00:08:37,107 Speaker 2: No, I appreciate you taking the call, Tummoty, Thanks indeed, 180 00:08:37,147 --> 00:08:39,867 Speaker 2: Tumoty Ellison assistant coach or one of the assistant coaches 181 00:08:39,907 --> 00:08:40,747 Speaker 2: and the All Black Setup. 182 00:08:41,467 --> 00:08:44,667 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 183 00:08:44,747 --> 00:08:48,067 Speaker 1: to News Talk said B weekends from midday, or follow 184 00:08:48,107 --> 00:08:49,667 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.