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Speaker 3: As the All Blacks assistant coaches.

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Speaker 4: Have been named Elliott Smith with me, Liam Napier and Napes,

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Speaker 4: we finally have our All Blacks coaching staff complete.

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Speaker 3: Not too many surprises.

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Speaker 4: If you haven't caught up with it by now, well

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Speaker 4: it's pretty much what has been reported for the last

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Speaker 4: few weeks. Dave Ronnie obviously the head coach, Neil Barnes

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Speaker 4: senior assistant coach, Jason Ryan, Ford's coach for a long time,

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Speaker 4: Umonga the defense coach, Mike Lee are the attack coach,

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Speaker 4: and Phil Heay is the head of performance.

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Speaker 3: Liam.

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Speaker 4: I guess your initial reaction to that coaching group now

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Speaker 4: that it's out.

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Speaker 5: I guess, first and foremost, Elliott, it's a full scale

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Speaker 5: bean out essentially, isn't it. Jason Ryan the only coach

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Speaker 5: to retain his posts which might be rescoped as well.

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Speaker 2: So we expected that with Dave.

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Speaker 5: Rennie coming in a new head coach, but I think

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Speaker 5: it also speaks to some of the flaws in the

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Speaker 5: previous coaching stuff. I know New Zealand Rugby wanted Dave

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Speaker 5: Rennie to strongly consider Scott Hansen, but ultimately Rennie has

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Speaker 5: got his man and Mike Bleir to run the attack.

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Speaker 5: Interesting to see somebody Allison's promotion to a Mauldy or

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Speaker 5: Black's head coach. I think that speaks to his standing

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Speaker 5: and how he's regarded with the New Zealand Rugby on

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Speaker 5: the whole. This coaching team, I guess the proof is

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Speaker 5: going to be in the pudding, isn't it. I'm sure

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Speaker 5: there are some question marks, but it is an experienced

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Speaker 5: coaching group. They've had a lot of experiences. Neil Barnes

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Speaker 5: coaching internationally, among has been around. He commands a lot

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Speaker 5: of mana and I think what you'll see from that

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Speaker 5: All Blacks be a lot more physical and direct in

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Speaker 5: their approach and then look to bring some panash back

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Speaker 3: Well, this is what I was going to ask as well.

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Speaker 4: Obviously they've gone with Mike Blair as the attack coach

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Speaker 4: and decided that Scott Hansen's not the guy, or Dave

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Speaker 4: Rinnie has decided that he's not the guy. But I

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Speaker 4: a guy that's comfortable working with Dave Rinnie. Mike Bleir

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Speaker 4: and daver Reny've worked together in a couple of teams.

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Speaker 4: Now they know they're attacking style. So you'd expect some

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Speaker 4: innovation there from Mike Bleir given the way that Kobe

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Speaker 4: in terms of the Japanese comp So there's a few

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Speaker 4: under Dave Rennie and Mike Blears attacking systems.

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Speaker 5: I think the key point there is that they've worked

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Speaker 5: In their downtime they're in Japan together, they can work

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Speaker 5: on formulating structures and systems to bring into that All

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Speaker 5: Blacks attack and let's not overlook the fact that Dave

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Speaker 2: That for the last few years together.

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Speaker 5: From what I understand, Mike Blair is quite a structured,

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Speaker 4: Will you surprised that Jason Ryan stuck around looking We

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Speaker 4: kind of expect to that He's going to have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not just the previous regime, is it?

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Speaker 5: He's now coached under three All Black head coaches, Ian Foster,

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Speaker 2: It is interesting to see his role rescope.

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Speaker 5: I think under Scott Robertson his remits probably became too broad.

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Speaker 5: that those roles are tightened up and rarely defined, and

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Speaker 5: Jason Ryan. But I'm not surprised to see him retains.

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Speaker 5: Any time you talk to players within their all black environment,

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Speaker 4: There are indeed tana Umunger as well coming in as

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Speaker 4: defense coach. Now people probably look at Mowana Pacifica and

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Speaker 4: three last week against the Blues. They had a big

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Speaker 4: heavy loss to the Hurricanes earlier on in the season.

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Speaker 4: What does this bloke know about defense? Is it a

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Speaker 4: case of not having the cattle at Mowana Pacifica and

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Speaker 4: the defensive systems are actually okay because you look back

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Speaker 4: good success. I think he left end of twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two if memory serves to fulfill that Mowana role. So

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Speaker 4: he's been out of that Blues environment for a couple

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Speaker 4: case of when he's got a narrow focus, it's the

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Speaker 4: right role for Tanaumonger.

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Speaker 5: Look, I can understand question marks about Tana specifically as

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Speaker 5: It's very easy to look at them in their current state.

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Speaker 5: But they did well last year and I think he

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Speaker 5: and a lot is a very important role.

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Speaker 2: And for me, Look.

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Speaker 5: While structures and systems are important, and we've seen the

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Speaker 5: as much attitude as anything else, and it's putting your

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Speaker 5: And I think what he brought as a player certainly

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Speaker 5: So I think maybe the jury's out in regards toa

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Speaker 2: But I think from an.

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Speaker 5: Attitude perspective, if he's getting up and telling you to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he brings marna, and marna isn't everything. You know,

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Speaker 4: He's still got to do the job, but he comes

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Speaker 4: napes Neil Barnes coming and we touched on him at

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Speaker 4: the top of He's bit of a cult hero around

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Speaker 4: the Traps. Here an interview with him, and he's got

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Speaker 4: brought a lot of young players through, worked with a

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Speaker 4: convencing to see how they know him and Reny sloped

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Speaker 4: back together after a few years apart. And whether it's

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Speaker 4: a good cop bad cop scenarigo, but I think ultimately

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Speaker 4: this is a nice move for the all blacks environment.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a good way of painting that actually

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Speaker 5: a good cop bad cop when he's very open about

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Speaker 5: the fact that he'll put an arm around you while

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Speaker 5: he kicks you. In terms of trying to get the

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Speaker 5: a hard heads and he's not afraid to be outspoken

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Speaker 5: of the Chiefs Foard Pack under any He's widely regarded

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Speaker 5: as a great line out technician, which would be very

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Speaker 5: contesting ball. But fundamentally, I think he's just a tough

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Speaker 5: I think there's a place for that in modern rugby,

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Speaker 5: a place to hit players between the eyes. We've seen

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Speaker 5: I think Jamie Joseph is that type of character, and

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Speaker 5: I think Neil Barnes will bring that type of attitudes

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Speaker 5: also if someone needs to kick up the ars, that

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Speaker 5: they'll get that too.

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Speaker 4: That's sort of the environment we promote here on Ragby

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Speaker 4: Direct as well. I think I'm the good copy or

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Speaker 4: the bad cop, and it works really well.

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Speaker 2: It does indeed, Yeah, the dream Team.

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Speaker 4: All right, Nate say, thanks for jumping on. We'll hear

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