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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be good afternoon. It is seven after four, coming up.

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Speaker 3: Louise Upston's fighting back against labor who's having a crack

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Speaker 3: old overstayer. He's staying the cop who literally belted his

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Speaker 3: Australia's coast. Ryan Bridge, Well that didn't take long. The

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Speaker 3: bitching continues today between Air New Zealand and Auckland Airport.

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Speaker 3: They like an old married couple this too, bickering and

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Speaker 3: They're doing it in front of everyone, and today it's

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Speaker 3: Which is kind of funny because you've got two major

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Speaker 3: We've also had inflation. And isn't it a bit rich

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is seventeen minutes after four lots of

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Speaker 6: That never happen.

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Speaker 3: What we don't know what on the I agree, I agree,

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Speaker 3: we have Darcy here. Darcy, good afternoon, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Mister Brick.

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Speaker 6: Good to have you, and indeed to see you as well.

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Speaker 6: He's an elegant batsman. He knows how to score runs,

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Speaker 6: He was that assured of what he was doing. It

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Speaker 3: Now Rugby league the plans for the second NRL team,

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Speaker 3: Well, because they don't want the competition.

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Speaker 1: After four putting the challenging questions to the people at

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Speaker 3: There'd be twenty four minutes after four. So a couple

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Speaker 3: Because I'm twenty five minutes away from five year on

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Speaker 3: And these are not sail boats Ryan, the Chinese. Whatever

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Speaker 3: it is, this textas says, the Chinese drive their ships

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs he'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Talk about upping the anti Trump's now calling Zelenski a dictator.

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Speaker 3: Here's what republic can Senator John Kennedy thinks of that.

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Speaker 10: I don't want to give between President Lensky and President Trump.

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Speaker 11: I never get between a dog and a fire hundred.

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Speaker 8: Now that's where I live my life.

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Speaker 7: I think they're both good man.

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Speaker 12: I think they both want the same thing.

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Speaker 13: We want Whyala not just to survive, but to thrive

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Speaker 3: We have more on this shortly with Murriyold's Finally, California

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's Australia correspondent Murray Good.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon, Hello, Ryan, Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: What's happening? The city man has been arrested for three

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Speaker 4: Well he has.

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Speaker 14: He was already in custody after being charged with the

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure April.

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Speaker 3: All right, Murray. We had that RBA decision yesterday and

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Speaker 14: And that's the way the Reserve Bank of Australia wants

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Speaker 3: All right, what about the steel works, So it's a

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Speaker 4: Course of steel works infrastructure.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I think you know this thing is it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what has done and said anything about this yet?

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Speaker 3: Because obviously the Union.

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Speaker 14: Peter Dutton has been absent from the political stage ever

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Speaker 4: I don't know where he's hiding, but he's hiding somewhere.

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Speaker 14: I mean, they'll probably find some reason to say, oh,

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Speaker 4: Keeping a town alive in a pretty important state.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, certainly good politics for Elbow. Murray, thank you

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Speaker 3: whaler is the steel works produces. It's one of only

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Speaker 3: two in Australia that produces seventy five percent of their

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Speaker 3: structural steel, so it's it's quite significant. Eighteen minutes away

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Speaker 3: from five News Talks. He be coming up next. It's

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper and it's part two of the Alta.

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Speaker 1: Saga politics with Centric Crew to check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen minutes away from five News Talks.

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Speaker 2: He be.

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Speaker 3: We've got the most common surname in New Zealand for newborns.

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Speaker 3: I'll get to that before five as well. Barry Soap

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Speaker 3: is here, Senior political correspondent, Barry. Good afternoon, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Right, it's Barry, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: What You're one of the most common No, I.

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Speaker 8: Know what it would be. What When I saw the headline,

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Speaker 8: I thought, I know sing.

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Speaker 3: Ah surely well, I thought Wilson.

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Speaker 8: But it's more of a title as well.

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Speaker 3: It is the Sikh community. It's interesting that's both in

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Speaker 3: North Island and the South Island. Anyway, we'll talk about

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Speaker 3: that later. That's good trivia, very altera. Speaking of names. Gosh,

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Speaker 3: this is carrying on today?

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Speaker 8: Oh is it? What got the airing again today? Even

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Speaker 8: Ricardo Mendia's march was game enough to stand up when

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Speaker 8: Winston Peters was standing in for the Prime minister. It

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Speaker 8: seems though Ryan, you, you and your listeners will be

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Speaker 8: pleased know that your role when referring to New Zealand

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Speaker 8: and Parliament is acceptable, even though Winston Peters, who like

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Speaker 8: I said, was standing in for the Prime minister today,

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Speaker 8: still won't have a bar of it when he was

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Speaker 8: asked a question by Labour's Carmel Si Paloni is continuing

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Speaker 8: to be obstinate. Have a listen.

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Speaker 15: Is Winston Peter's actually accomplishing anything for al Tierdor when

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Speaker 15: he tells members of migrant communities that their views are

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Speaker 15: worth less than people born in ald.

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Speaker 6: Tierdor, that member will get an answer when she asked

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Speaker 6: a question about a country called New.

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Speaker 16: Zealand, given how precious the language is in this house.

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Speaker 4: But it is sadly being dumped.

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Speaker 16: On by two of the most senior Mali members who

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Speaker 16: are questioning the legitimacy. And I asked you to make

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Speaker 16: a ruling on this use or known in terms of

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Speaker 16: the legitimacy of Terrio.

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Speaker 12: Mar the use of either the English sanguage or Toro

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Speaker 12: Mahli perfectly acceptable.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about that.

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Speaker 3: Bingo, there we have, yeah problem solve public service that

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Speaker 3: the automatic pay rises that they get there looking like

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Speaker 3: they're going to come to an end.

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Speaker 8: Well, look when you look at the pay bill last

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Speaker 8: year six point five billion dollars, that was up by

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Speaker 8: five point three percent. So you know, the public service

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Speaker 8: because they are on automatic scales. So regardless if you're

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Speaker 8: sitting behind your desk pushing a pen, not being very

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Speaker 8: extraordinary at what you do, you'll still know that if

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Speaker 8: you're there next year. It's tenure based, so the longer

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Speaker 8: you're there, the more you get paid automatically. Now, I remember,

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Speaker 8: you know, when I started in this business as a

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Speaker 8: journalist many many years ago, we used to have an

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Speaker 8: automatic pay scale as well. You could jump them though

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Speaker 8: if you were better at your job than others. And

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Speaker 8: I assume that's the way in the public service. But

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Speaker 8: those that really slack, they don't. They won't be sacked.

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Speaker 8: They'll still sit at their desk pushing their pen, getting

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Speaker 8: more money every your year, stay until the retirement and

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Speaker 8: have a nice bonus at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: Game.

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Speaker 8: Now Flurford Simon's who's with the PSA? She defends vehemently.

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Speaker 3: Course she does she said they should have every Friday

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Speaker 3: off too. Basically, honestly, it's extraordinary.

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Speaker 8: And it was a directive that was put down by

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Speaker 8: Brian Wright. She's making a big difference it. So he's

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Speaker 8: put down a directive that was last December. It came

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Speaker 8: out today it got leaked that he told chief executives

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Speaker 8: that this practice could be at an end and they

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Speaker 8: are going to now sit up and take notice.

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Speaker 3: Because of course, there's nothing wrong with a pay increase,

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Speaker 3: but it should be a pay increase based on your

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Speaker 3: performance on merit on merit because and imagine, so the bill,

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Speaker 3: as you said, it's five point nine percent up last year,

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Speaker 3: and that's under a national government. Remember in the wage bill,

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Speaker 3: Imagine if you could take that all of that money

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Speaker 3: and put it in how high you could pump someone's

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Speaker 3: wage if they're doing a great job.

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Speaker 8: And you'll remember, it's interesting, there's going to be big

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Speaker 8: changes in the SEREA. I'd suggest when you listen to Chris,

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Speaker 8: Chris Luxon has been saying, I mean, he's saying there

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Speaker 8: are very talented people on the public service that we

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Speaker 8: should be nurturing better.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's sort of It's interesting because act has

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Speaker 3: a policy on that. Don't they much is some sort

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Speaker 3: of fund anyway, We'll cut to We'll cut to the

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Speaker 3: submissions the treaty principles built the cost of those. Have

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Speaker 3: we got some numbers more than two.

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Speaker 8: Hundred and seventy thousand dollars where it's costing the taxpayer

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Speaker 8: for these submissions. Now, there's an argument that why give

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Speaker 8: a submission to this bill because we know it's going

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Speaker 8: to fail anyway, So why waste your breath. I've been

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Speaker 8: watching a large number of these submissions and those who

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Speaker 8: are turning out to give them are mainly Moldy, are

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Speaker 8: mainly absolutely opposed to it. Understandably that's their view, But

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Speaker 8: why waste your time because you know at the end

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Speaker 8: of it it's going to be thrown out anyway. But

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Speaker 8: I guess the debate is out there. Little debate at

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Speaker 8: the Select commit though, because predominantly, from what I've seen,

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Speaker 8: the submissions are totally opposed to the bill. So it's

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Speaker 8: costing a lot of money. That's the price of democracy.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what they're saying. Yeah, hey, before we go,

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Speaker 3: there's been a couple of texts just in the last

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Speaker 3: half hour about your injury. You know, we sort of

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Speaker 3: alluded the other day that we would tell people what

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Speaker 3: happened to you you were injured, but we never actually

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Speaker 3: told them. So what's happened?

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Speaker 8: Well, I could say I was giving the middle finger

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Speaker 8: good night hand, but no, it was a bit of

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Speaker 8: a bike accident, sort of reaching out, a broken knuckle,

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Speaker 8: a joint actually in my ring fingers. So it's going

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Speaker 8: to be operated on.

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Speaker 3: Goodness me, how many surgeries are going to have?

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Speaker 8: I cannot keep out of the operating theater. I like

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Speaker 8: anesthetic so much. Sure, Ryan, and I'm going to get

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Speaker 8: back for more.

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Speaker 3: Hey, just before we do go actually the ku Mar case,

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Speaker 3: so he's actually going to be allowed to stay. The

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Speaker 3: Minister's decided.

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Speaker 8: Chris Pink.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that he didn't know before Michael Mara at

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Speaker 3: the Herald started knocking on the door. But he had

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Speaker 3: no idea of this case at all.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I really feel sorry for this young man. He's

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Speaker 8: eighteen years old. His mum came here more than I

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Speaker 8: think twenty years ago. She's been here illegally, but because

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Speaker 8: she was pregnant when she came, well when she came

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Speaker 8: or when she was here, gave birth to him. They

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Speaker 8: said you've got to go as well as your mother.

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Speaker 8: But the parents have got to go now.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we have rules, we have.

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Speaker 8: It's very sad, it's very satire. The family's been split

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Speaker 8: up unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the parents are going. He's staying interesting. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: to the lawyer. Are the boys lawyer on the show

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Speaker 3: after five tonight we'll find out what's happening with those parents.

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Speaker 3: Very good to see you, cheers, very Soper with us.

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Speaker 3: It has just gone nine minutes away from five News Talk.

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Speaker 1: Shibb putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: If I heard Adrian or correctly, fifty points will come

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Speaker 17: with another couple of cuts shortly and at that point,

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Speaker 17: all things being equal, we are in neutral territory. Adriana's

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Speaker 17: with us. The banks have passed on some but not all.

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Speaker 17: Is that acceptable or not?

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Speaker 10: The banks need to do better. They need to look

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Speaker 10: at their own margins and chase and compete for customers

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Speaker 10: much more vigorously.

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Speaker 17: Those profit margins you talked about. We saw a couple

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Speaker 17: of results in the last week or so. And I

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Speaker 17: always compare the Australian number to the New Zealand number

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Speaker 17: the New Zealand numbers always hired. Why hasn't that been

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Speaker 17: addressed so we get a better deal?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean spot on the biggest challenges. Income streams

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Speaker 10: don't disrupt themselves, but they need disrupting.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Make Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: the rain drove of the LAH News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: It has just gone six minutes away from five on

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Speaker 3: News Talks B Child poverty. So there's stats out today.

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Speaker 3: No major change to the stats from n twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: four compared to twenty twenty three, which is not great

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Speaker 3: because you want that number to be going down, right,

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Speaker 3: So thirteen point four percent this is a material hardship.

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Speaker 3: Now what does that actually mean. It means you are

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Speaker 3: going without a basic thing like heating, or doctor's visits,

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Speaker 3: or fruit and veggies, fresh fruit and veggies. Those are

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Speaker 3: the types of things they're talking about. So the target

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Speaker 3: for the government is nine percent of children. That number

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Speaker 3: at the moment is thirteen point four percent. Now, this

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Speaker 3: is based on a survey, so it can be a

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Speaker 3: little up and down, and it can be a little

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Speaker 3: inaccurate actually, because it's only nineteen thousand households when we

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Speaker 3: have about two million of them. Anyway, Luise Upstance on

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Speaker 3: the show. She's here after five talk about this and

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Speaker 3: respond to it now, just so you know, just Cinda

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Speaker 3: Adurn's goal for this particular stat was seven percent, so

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Speaker 3: slightly better than the nine that this government's aiming for. However,

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Speaker 3: by the time she left office it was still at

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Speaker 3: twelve and a half.

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Speaker 2: Bryan Bridge, she's.

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Speaker 3: Gone five away from five now. Lots of bills coming

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Speaker 3: being pluck from the ballot. I'll tell you about those.

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Speaker 3: Jenny Shipley form the Prime Minister has been at the

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principal's Bill at the Justice Select Committee. Here's what

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Speaker 3: she had to say today.

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Speaker 18: When I left Parliament twenty three years ago, I couldn't

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Speaker 18: conceive of the fact that I would then be in

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Speaker 18: front of you as I am today. I'm here because

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Speaker 18: I view this bill as unconscionable in terms of its

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Speaker 18: proposal to rethink the way in which we engage as

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Speaker 18: Treaty partners without reference to the Treaty partner in drafting

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Speaker 18: this bill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jennie Shipley, she's a lot more, you'd have to say,

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Speaker 3: measured in her comments today than she was. Remember she

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Speaker 3: used the words civil war the last time she spoke

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Speaker 3: about the Treaty Principal's bill, so she sounds a lot

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Speaker 3: more measured actually delivering her submission to the committee today.

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Speaker 3: You might be able to drink booze at Easter. Karen MacNulty,

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Speaker 3: the Labor MP. He's had his bill pluck from the

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Speaker 3: ballot today, very excited about that, and he has support

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Speaker 3: from the act Party already, the ACTINGP Cameron Luxton. He's

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Speaker 3: come out in supporting and saying yeah, I would like

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Speaker 3: to bear at easter too. Frankly, so would I, so

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Speaker 3: would we all? I would think nine two ninety two

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Speaker 3: is the number to text Louise Upston.

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Speaker 1: After News We'll never up for.

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Speaker 3: We'll never never for.

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Speaker 2: The finger of blade.

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Speaker 19: Has turned a party yourself and went to myself my prison.

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Speaker 2: Need martl.

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Speaker 20: Molly Liver, Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you

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Speaker 20: trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Brian Bridge on hither d for see allan drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand Let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News talks AB good even it.

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Speaker 3: Is seven after five News TALKSIB Child poverty stats out

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Speaker 3: today basically flat for twenty three twenty four. The figure

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Speaker 3: show from stats in z seventeen point seven percent of

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Speaker 3: all key we children were in poverty. That's based on

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Speaker 3: household and come after housing costs have been paid material

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Speaker 3: hardship that was just over thirteen percent. Target for the

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Speaker 3: government was nine percent. Loise Ubstance, their minister for Child Poverty.

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Speaker 3: Who's with me, hime? Minister, Good afternoon, Ryan. You're happy

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Speaker 3: with that, of course not.

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Speaker 21: I mean, no New Zealander wants to see children in poverty,

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Speaker 21: and unfortunately it reflects the very challenging economic conditions we've

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Speaker 21: had for the last few years.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it, because Labour's come out today and

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Speaker 3: said you've got the minimum what you know, you guys

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Speaker 3: didn't increase the minimum wage enough. You didn't you did

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Speaker 3: the indexation with the benefits. But really, when it comes

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Speaker 3: down to it, this is about economic growth, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: And it's about inflation.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, So if you look at the cost of living,

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Speaker 21: we do know that those on the lowest incomes are

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Speaker 21: hit the hardest with the cost of living. So why

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Speaker 21: we've made really good progress in the last year. These

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Speaker 21: statistics are for the thirtieth of June twenty four and

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Speaker 21: we still know that there are some families, the cost

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Speaker 21: of living is still affecting them. The ocr drop yesterday

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Speaker 21: takes a while for that to flow through and for

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Speaker 21: families to really feel it in their household budgets. So

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Speaker 21: we're a little way off yet. I know that's frustrating,

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Speaker 21: and it's just recognizing we've had very tough economic times,

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Speaker 21: but we as a government do not shy away from

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Speaker 21: the challenge.

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Speaker 6: One of our.

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Speaker 21: Three priorities for children and young people is to reduce

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Speaker 21: material hardship, and that's what we will continue to work toward.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that'll happen in the next round, Well,

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Speaker 3: what we.

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Speaker 21: Do know is that a growing economy provides greater opportunities

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Speaker 21: for people and does have an impact on material hardship.

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Speaker 21: I can say that confidently because when National was last

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Speaker 21: in office in the years from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 21: we reduce the number of children in material hardship by

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Speaker 21: fifty six thousand. That is possible when the economy is

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Speaker 21: growing and there are opportunities for people to be at

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Speaker 21: work and to be earning higher wages.

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Speaker 3: How to argue with that, Minister? Thanks for your time,

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Speaker 3: Louise Upston. Who's the Minister for Child Poverty. The result

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Speaker 3: not great, but the driving force is growth, so we

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Speaker 3: need a bit of growth and we need to get

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Speaker 3: rid of inflation, which hopefully, according to the Reserve Bank,

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Speaker 3: we've done nine after five Bridge Jennie Zealand's half year

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Speaker 3: result out net profit one hundred and six million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That is down eighteen percent on the same period last year.

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Speaker 3: Engine issues. The big problem for them Greg four and

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Speaker 3: is the chief executive high.

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Speaker 4: Greg.

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Speaker 19: Hi?

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Speaker 3: There? How are you run good? Thank you? How much worse?

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Speaker 3: So obviously this is not great for you? How much

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Speaker 3: worse will it get in the second half? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 10: Look bit too early to call at the stage, but

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Speaker 10: we have said to the market that we do expect

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Speaker 10: it to be down on where we were in the

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Speaker 10: first half. But I would say, actually, I think this

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Speaker 10: is a really good result for the first half when

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Speaker 10: you consider what we deal was here has been tough.

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Speaker 10: It's a bit like you know, an All Blacks team

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Speaker 10: operating without the front row. You know, some of these

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Speaker 10: things are beyond our control. But I think it's been

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Speaker 10: a good performance. We haven't buckled and I think our

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Speaker 10: staff have really done a true terrific job holding this

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Speaker 10: thing together.

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Speaker 3: This is the engine issues. How many planes are you

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Speaker 3: short and how much do you reckon that's taking off

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Speaker 3: your bottom line?

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Speaker 10: Well, we know actually that it's about one hundred and

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Speaker 10: thirty million dollars worth a headwind in that first half,

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Speaker 10: So you know, we calculate that we've got about ninety

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Speaker 10: million dollars worth of compensation. So it didn't cover everything

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Speaker 10: that we had to deal with, but it's certainly helped.

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Speaker 10: And that's all part of the negotiation we have with

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Speaker 10: the engine guys. We had been down about you know,

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Speaker 10: seven to eight planes in the first half, but we're

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Speaker 10: predicting that's actually going to be around eleven and the

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Speaker 10: second half and then it should start to improve. And

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Speaker 10: you know this is all due to Rolls Royce and

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Speaker 10: Pratt and Whitney. It's a worldwide issue. It just happens

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Speaker 10: to be that, you know, we've got two of the

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Speaker 10: engine models that are problematic.

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Speaker 3: What about the performance, This is your on time performance.

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Speaker 3: September you were at eighty point four percent for on

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Speaker 3: time departures. Is that getting better or worse?

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Speaker 10: It's been actually a real focus of ours. We weren't happy,

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Speaker 10: not just in September. We weren't particularly happy in November

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Speaker 10: and December, and neither were our customers, and I apologize

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Speaker 10: for that, but I can tell you we have really

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Speaker 10: nailed our performance since the beginning of the year, and

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Speaker 10: on time performance has been over eighty percent for both

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Speaker 10: January and February. To date, cancelation rates has come right

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Speaker 10: down year to date just one point three percent. So

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Speaker 10: a real focus and once again credit to the team.

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Speaker 3: Ukland Airport having another crack at you. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is like the perennial back and forth between you guys.

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Speaker 3: But they're saying today, they're saying that your market dominant,

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Speaker 3: you know, eighty four percent of the domestic market. You're

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Speaker 3: not meeting the needs of customers and regional communities. We've

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Speaker 3: got higher prices, we've got fewer flights than the pre pandemic.

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Speaker 3: It's affecting tourism.

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Speaker 10: What are you saying, I'd say a couple of things.

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Speaker 10: First of all, in terms of regional connectivity. You know,

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Speaker 10: back in twenty twelve, so just over a deco decade ago,

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Speaker 10: we only have thirty four turboprops servicing regional New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: That's eighty hours and Q three hundreds. We now have

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Speaker 10: fifty three soon to be fifty four, so plenty of

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Speaker 10: extra flights in There have there been some adjustments, particularly

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Speaker 10: out of Wellington in the last few months as we

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Speaker 10: deal with a twenty five percent decline in government travel

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Speaker 10: and a decline in corporate travel. Of course you would

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Speaker 10: expect us to do that, but we know how important

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Speaker 10: it is to be fair to everyone in New Zealand

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Speaker 10: and ensure we've got connectivity in. The second point I

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Speaker 10: make is I don't want to get into pointing fingers

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Speaker 10: at the stage. My issue in terms of main airports

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Speaker 10: is around the regulatory settings. And you know that's what

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Speaker 10: I'm asking not just Auckland the airport. I'm asking that

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Speaker 10: you know, the government to look at and say what

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Speaker 10: is the responsible regulatory settings to ensure that infrastructure, which

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Speaker 10: is effectively operating in a monopoly type environment, gets spent.

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Speaker 10: We all know spend some money, but have some checks

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Speaker 10: and balances in there.

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Speaker 3: We have ten seconds left if he's going to get

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Speaker 3: more expensive this half.

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Speaker 10: What we're seeing is what we're seeing all around the

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Speaker 10: country right and we're seeing less inflation a little bit. Still.

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Speaker 10: What I can tell you is we do our best

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Speaker 10: to hold them, but we are still seeing a little

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Speaker 10: bit of inflation, but certainly the rate of increase has

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Speaker 10: decreased significantly.

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Speaker 3: Greeg, thank you very much.

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Speaker 10: Thank you right.

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Speaker 3: It's Greg four and he's the chief executive at in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's gone fourteen minutes after five so year. They

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Speaker 3: are slightly less twenty three million dollars less than what

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Speaker 3: they made in the same six months of last year,

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Speaker 3: but still a profit of more than one hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars here in New Zealand. It has just gone fourteen

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Speaker 3: after five year. On news talks, they've been coming up. Next,

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Speaker 3: the overstay, the eighteen year old overstar. He is allowed

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Speaker 3: to stay in New Zealand. The minister has given him

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Speaker 3: some mercy, but what of his parents? The lawyer next

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Speaker 3: five to seventeen good news, bad news for the eighteen

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Speaker 3: year old Damon Kumar. This is the Overstaan. The Associate

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Speaker 3: Immigration Minister. He's decided to give him a residence visa

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Speaker 3: so he can stay in New Zealand. The bad news

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Speaker 3: his parents still facing deportation. The lawyer is Alistair mcclemont.

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Speaker 3: He's with me Hi Alistair Hi Ryan, how are you yeah, good, thanks.

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Speaker 3: How's Damon feeling well.

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Speaker 7: As you've said, very mixed emotions. I mean, he's absolutely

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Speaker 7: delighted that he can now get on for his life,

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Speaker 7: but now yes and his sister have to face losing

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Speaker 7: their parents, so yeah, it's very difficult for him to

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Speaker 7: really you know understand how we really feels about this.

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Speaker 3: When are the parents going to be deported because it's

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Speaker 3: obviously been he's eighteen, they've been here the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Is this going to happen soon? Well?

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Speaker 7: Look, usually you know, Immigration is zelond are pretty good

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Speaker 7: in talking to people in this sort of situation and

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Speaker 7: trying to negotiate a voluntary departure. So that's really much

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Speaker 7: what's going to happen now. You know, we'll have to

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Speaker 7: talk with Immigration Zone see what's going to happen, and

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Speaker 7: talk to the parents and see what they choose to do.

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Speaker 3: How do they how do they feel? Do they feel

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Speaker 3: guilty about the situation that they that they've put him in?

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Speaker 7: Well, well not really. I mean, as we spoke about

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Speaker 7: a little earlier, you know, one of the reasons why

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Speaker 7: the parents did come and did stay was because they

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Speaker 7: do face persistent discrimination in India. Because of that caste

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Speaker 7: system where they come from that untouchable cast They wanted

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Speaker 7: to protect their children from this and New Zealand as

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Speaker 7: a country that doesn't have that sort of form of discrimination,

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Speaker 7: and so you know, in some ways they've been successful

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Speaker 7: saving their children's lives and giving them the future.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it'll encourage others to do the same.

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Speaker 7: Well, no, I mean the Minister of Immigration talks about

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Speaker 7: where people come to New Zealand and have babies to

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Speaker 7: try and stand the country. But there are simply no

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Speaker 7: policies whatsoever that enable people to stay in this country

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Speaker 7: simply because they have a baby in this country that

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Speaker 7: is a citizen.

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Speaker 3: But this shows that you can save your baby.

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Speaker 7: Yeah twenty five years later, Yeah, ma me sure. But

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Speaker 7: you know this gives nothing for the parents whatsoever. Having

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Speaker 7: a New Zealand citizen child gives no rights to the

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Speaker 7: parents to stay here. It never has and it certainly

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Speaker 7: doesn't currently.

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Speaker 3: Alistair, thanks for your time, Alistair mclemont Damon Kumar's lawyers

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Speaker 3: just gone nineteen minutes after five Ryan Bridge, a man

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Speaker 3: comes to the attention of police and ordering an tamadiki.

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Speaker 3: Why because he had his kids three times on three

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Speaker 3: different occasions with his belt was a webbed belt. So

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Speaker 3: the kids are all under well, two of them are

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Speaker 3: under ten, and there's one in their early teens hit

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Speaker 3: them on the legs and the bum right said it

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Speaker 3: was discipline. Turns out he's a cop. Now, no charges

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Speaker 3: were laid. The IPCAS looked into this, no charges laid,

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Speaker 3: still working as an officer. And the reason they didn't

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Speaker 3: charge no evidence. Why was there no evidence? He refused

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Speaker 3: an interview and he refused permission for his kids to

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Speaker 3: be interviewed by police. So the question then becomes, how

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Speaker 3: on earth do you ever prosecute these cases of potential

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Speaker 3: child abuse if the parents refuse to give the kids

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Speaker 3: permission to speak, and the parent refuses to speak as well,

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Speaker 3: we're asking a lawyer. At five point thirty five, it's

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Speaker 3: twenty after News TALKS'B.

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Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan First

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Speaker 1: A's Ryan Bridge on Hither duplicy elan drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News talks 'B.

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Speaker 3: Five twenty three, Good evening to you. Child poverty stats

876
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Speaker 3: throughout today, no real change since last year and they

877
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Speaker 3: still haven't really recovered since the fall in twenty twenty

878
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: one under labour Thank you cost of living crisis. This

879
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: is why, this is exactly why we need growth. It

880
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: is why it is so important to stamp out inflation,

881
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: which is influenced by international factors, but also government spending,

882
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: of which there was much waste. It's also influenced by

883
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: rising domestic inflation, a big driver of which is council rates.

884
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: That's why it's so important they keep cutting costs and

885
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: ditching stupid vanity projects. The more waste and useless spending,

886
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: the more inflation, the more inflation, the higher the mortgage rates.

887
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: The higher the mortgage rates, the slower the growth. The

888
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: slower the growth, the poorer the kids wars, the price

889
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: of petrol. They plan an outsize role in our inflation number,

890
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: and they have in the past few years. But every

891
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Speaker 3: bit counts, and it's important our politicians understand this. These

892
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Speaker 3: numbers make a mockery of the Green's line of attack

893
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 3: on the current lot. They argue that at a government

894
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Speaker 3: that cuts spending pushes kids further into poverty. These numbers

895
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Speaker 3: show that up for what it really is a lie.

896
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Speaker 3: Just look at the counterfactual. If government spending hand over

897
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 3: fist rarely fixes child poverty. Why did the numbers start

898
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Speaker 3: getting worse under the last lot the last two years

899
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Speaker 3: of the big spenders, we went backwards, Our poorest kids

900
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Speaker 3: went backwards. So the people making these ridiculous claims are

901
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Speaker 3: either stupid or they're lying to us.

902
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Speaker 2: Cry and Bridge.

903
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Speaker 3: Twenty five minutes after five. I had to get that

904
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Speaker 3: off my chest. It's important. It's important because I don't

905
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Speaker 3: care who you vote for, whether you're left or right,

906
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: no one likes child poverty. You know. I feel like

907
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: there's a side of politics in New Zealand that thinks

908
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Speaker 3: that the other side enjoys or relishes, you know, poverty

909
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Speaker 3: or people being poor. I just don't believe that that's true.

910
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Speaker 3: Twenty five minutes after five. Now, apparently something happened that

911
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: was quite funny in the house today and a few

912
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: of you have text me about it. So Laura has

913
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Speaker 3: gone and found the audio. This is just in the

914
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Speaker 3: last few moments. So Judith Collin's apparently on fire and

915
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Speaker 3: she was going up against jan Tinetti on behalf of

916
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Speaker 3: the Minister for Women today. Have a listen.

917
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 15: How can she have confidence that the government is prioritizing

918
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 15: issues pertaining to women when Police minister Mark Mitchell joked

919
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Speaker 15: in an interview, I don't know if a gang member

920
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Speaker 15: wants to deal with a perry, menopausal woman.

921
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Speaker 22: Well, mister speaker.

922
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Speaker 3: Mister speaker, the look would probably do as an answer action.

923
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Speaker 23: Let me just say this, We women have put up

924
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Speaker 23: with a lot. And I know this that mister Minster

925
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Speaker 23: Mitchell is the strongest advocate against the violence that gangs

926
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Speaker 23: meet out to women that I have seen, and I

927
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Speaker 23: fully support him in.

928
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Speaker 8: Standing up against the gangs.

929
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Speaker 22: As for his little statement, I'll deal with that later.

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Speaker 3: So apparently was there more to this story, So Mark

931
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Speaker 3: better watch out. Judith was on a roll and she

932
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Speaker 3: took aim at jan Tinetti as well. Have listen.

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Speaker 15: Does she agree with ACT Party leader David Seymour when

934
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Speaker 15: he said, quote, the gender pay gap exists when you

935
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Speaker 15: have to be there late at night to make the sale,

936
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Speaker 15: put in the extra hours and do all the extra

937
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Speaker 15: things that women are often unavailable to do because of

938
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Speaker 15: the way gender roles work unquote.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think that being one of those women who

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Speaker 23: is always there late at night working and always have

941
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Speaker 23: been in my working life, I know that sometimes women

942
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Speaker 23: do get a very hard time in different treatment and

943
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Speaker 23: that's why we stand up for women. And the best

944
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Speaker 23: thing we can all do is to acknowledge women stand

945
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Speaker 23: up for each other no matter what and no matter

946
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Speaker 23: what our political affiliations, which is not something I've always

947
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Speaker 23: felt from that side of the house.

948
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Speaker 3: To true Judith Collins. So Judith obviously having a very

949
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Speaker 3: good day in the house and she is with us

950
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: live after six here on news talks, he'd be talking about, well,

951
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Speaker 3: we'll ask her about all Dantinetti, Mark Mitchell, but also

952
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: those three navy ships that are currently off the coast

953
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Speaker 3: of Australia. All ahead here on news Talks.

954
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Speaker 2: Be the big stories of the day.

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Speaker 1: Forward, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duper se Ellen drive

956
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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

957
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Speaker 2: That'd be go on just.

958
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Speaker 11: Or much and on your right, let just fighter turning

959
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Speaker 11: up and.

960
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Speaker 3: We are that in that time were getting in twenty

961
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Speaker 3: four minutes away from six on news Talks. There've been

962
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: no shortage of opinions on in New Zealand. I can

963
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Speaker 3: tell you that much. We had Greg Fouran on the

964
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Speaker 3: show earlier. Ryan three planes diverted from Todonga in the

965
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Speaker 3: last couple of days honestly, what's going on. It's either

966
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Speaker 3: the airport or in New Zealand. But I blame you

967
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: in New Zealand just because it's nice to another says

968
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Speaker 3: here that imagine going to Harvey Norman and being told

969
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: the TV that you're buying won't turn on six days

970
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: every month. That is in New Zealand when it comes

971
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Speaker 3: to on time performance, and actually getting flights to where

972
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Speaker 3: they say they'll go. To be fair to in New Zealand,

973
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Speaker 3: and I know you don't want me to be, but

974
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: to be fair toy in New Zealand, they've had the

975
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: same problems with their planes, haven't they. They went and

976
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: bought a whole bunch of planes from Rolls Royce. The

977
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Speaker 3: engines have crapped out and they're now having to get

978
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Speaker 3: them fixed. All the others are grounded. So it's kind

979
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: of a everyone's in that situation at Harvey Norman, an't they?

980
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 3: Twenty three away from.

981
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Speaker 2: Six Ryan Bridge, a senior.

982
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Speaker 3: Police officer who hit his children with a belt on

983
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Speaker 3: at least three separate occasions, will not face criminal charges

984
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: and he's keeping his job. He was censured by an

985
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: employment investigation. This is by the police force, but the IPCA.

986
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: They say the sanctions is not good enough. The police

987
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: couldn't charge them, they reckon because of a lack of evidence.

988
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: The officer in question refuse to allow his children to

989
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Speaker 3: be interviewed for evidential purposes and refuse to be interviewed himself.

990
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: Mark Henahan is an orcand university law professor. He's with

991
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Speaker 3: me tonight.

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Speaker 7: Hi Mark, Hi Ryan, love to be talking with you

993
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 7: again and to you.

994
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: Too, Mark. How do you acute a child a potential

995
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 3: child abuse case? If the parent can say no, my

996
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: child doesn't give permission to be interviewed, or I don't

997
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Speaker 3: give permission, and the adult can say they don't give

998
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Speaker 3: permission either.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the way it works. I mean basically,

1000
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Speaker 7: as you know, anyone who is going to be questioned

1001
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Speaker 7: by the police as a right to science, and they

1002
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Speaker 7: they don't have to answer questions. In some situations they

1003
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Speaker 7: may to give their name and address. But there is

1004
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Speaker 7: a provision in a rang of tam RICKI and the

1005
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Speaker 7: police could have used it. If it's a situation where

1006
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Speaker 7: the child's at great risk, they can get a warrant

1007
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: to reove the child and obscurring at Tambriki. I think

1008
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Speaker 7: in the States felt that the children were safe, which

1009
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Speaker 7: was surprised. But they said that the children were safe.

1010
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Speaker 7: So I suppose they say, because they're guardians of the children,

1011
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 7: saying we're not going to let you take away the

1012
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 7: children to interview them. And it's kind of tricky in

1013
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 7: a way because I suppose the children themselves would feel

1014
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 7: that dobbing and dad not the greatest thing they could

1015
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 7: that they would be doing. But there was other evidence

1016
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Speaker 7: I thought. I mean, obviously a rang of tamariki got

1017
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 7: evidence from the children talking to them. They said it happened,

1018
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: so I don't see why they couldn't use that. I mean,

1019
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 7: even though it's it's secondhand, to some degree, the children

1020
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Speaker 7: did say to rang Ti, that's why the ranger tamor

1021
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Speaker 7: he knew about him, still thought the children were safe.

1022
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 7: Exactly what what you just said. The children had been used,

1023
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Speaker 7: that they had been used on them. So because in

1024
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Speaker 7: some ways it is hard to sort of put pressure

1025
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Speaker 7: on children to to give evidence against a parent, I

1026
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Speaker 7: can understand and pitically when they had a belts used

1027
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Speaker 7: to case no totally, so not evidence they could have

1028
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Speaker 7: got because it seemed to be other Ranga Mariki said

1029
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Speaker 7: quite clear that that that this had happened, and the

1030
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Speaker 7: children had told them that, Yes, so the reason that

1031
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 7: they couldn't that's evidence from it?

1032
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Speaker 3: Are you saying, Mark, Are you saying if the in

1033
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Speaker 3: a case where ordering a Timodiki decreed that the children

1034
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Speaker 3: were unsafe in the house in that instance, then the

1035
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Speaker 3: children would be able to be interviewed and that would

1036
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Speaker 3: be evidential.

1037
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Speaker 7: Well, they could remove the children, and that brings as

1038
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Speaker 7: risk of the children, they can remove and get a warrant.

1039
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 7: But even in this case, because of ring and Keith

1040
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Speaker 7: Mariki had found out and felt the children, there is

1041
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Speaker 7: some evidence and I think you know it would be

1042
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Speaker 7: challenged because it's textual his it's not for children talking themselves.

1043
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 7: But the court may well accept because it can in

1044
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Speaker 7: certain circumstances say that in this case the children did

1045
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Speaker 7: say to us a belt had been used on them,

1046
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Speaker 7: and that would be sufficient evidence for a court if

1047
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Speaker 7: it ever accepted, to say, well, that's evidence to prove

1048
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Speaker 7: that there has been sult in this case because it's

1049
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Speaker 7: a clear assault. I mean, the interesting thing about this

1050
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Speaker 7: case is Liz Gunn just tapped someone on the shoulder

1051
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Speaker 7: and charged with the whole book in the District Court

1052
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Speaker 7: and over all by the EIG Court. This is hitting

1053
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Speaker 7: kids with the belt and nothing has happened.

1054
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point of contrasting. It's a good

1055
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Speaker 3: point make we have to leave it there. That's Mark Hennahan,

1056
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Speaker 3: he's aulcan University's law professor with us. It's very sad

1057
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Speaker 3: case for the for the kids involved, the parents, both

1058
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Speaker 3: parents actually not seaking to police. It is ten sorry,

1059
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Speaker 3: twenty minutes away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and

1061
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Speaker 1: global exposure.

1062
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Speaker 3: Like no other on the Huddle tonight. Tim Wilson from

1063
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Speaker 3: the Maxim Institute, Hey.

1064
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Speaker 2: Tim, Hey Ryan, how are you doing?

1065
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Speaker 4: Good?

1066
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Speaker 2: To have you on?

1067
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Speaker 4: Good?

1068
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Speaker 3: Thank you? And Mark Sainsbury's here broadcast in Mark Sainsbury,

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Speaker 3: Hay Sainzo.

1070
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Speaker 24: Are you Ryan good?

1071
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Speaker 4: Thanks?

1072
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Speaker 3: This is not a great look. And the IPCA says,

1073
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Speaker 3: you know, of all people who you want to make

1074
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Speaker 3: sure that you run the ruler over, it would be

1075
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Speaker 3: a senior police officer.

1076
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Speaker 9: Tim, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And look I can see obviously

1077
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Speaker 9: it's a senior role and police they're supposed to uphold

1078
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Speaker 9: the law, not break the law. I think I think

1079
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Speaker 9: to the comments by the law professor earlier. It seems

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Speaker 9: that orang A Tamariki, they're the ones with as he noted,

1081
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Speaker 9: some evidence. Now, whether that was admissible or not, I

1082
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Speaker 9: guess is something that eventually they determined to shouldn't go

1083
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Speaker 9: forward with it, but I do.

1084
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Speaker 2: I do note that this.

1085
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Speaker 9: Officer has undergone a criminal investigation and deployment investigation. Irong

1086
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Speaker 9: A Tumbriki says, Look, the kids don't face any ongoing harm.

1087
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Speaker 9: Now I would I would place some emphasis on that.

1088
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Speaker 9: I'm not saying it's great to whack your kids. I'm

1089
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Speaker 9: not saying that at all, no matter how annoyed you

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Speaker 9: get with them. But but yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 9: that's that's the aperture to look at this through. And

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Speaker 9: if I rang A Tumbaiki says, you know they're not

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Speaker 9: facing ongoing harm. It seems to be one of those

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Speaker 9: parental lessons that you go, you know what, I'm going

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Speaker 9: to stop doing this and we'll move forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, he did that. The dad did say, not

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Speaker 3: that it's an excuse, but said he had tried other

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Speaker 3: forms of punishment to stop a certain behavior and this

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Speaker 3: is where he ended up.

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Speaker 24: Well, I guess what comes it comes back to what

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Speaker 24: Mark Kahannon saying as well, if I had it been

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Speaker 24: someone else, if you take till his gun example to the.

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Speaker 3: Extreme, but you know someone else.

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Speaker 24: The interesting thing is there's been hardly any prosecutions. I

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Speaker 24: tried looking this up and there was I think in

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Speaker 24: the first sort of six years they had five. I

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Speaker 24: think prosecutions not always success. But as she said, this

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Speaker 24: guy is a cop. And the thing that I actually

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Speaker 24: was gobsmack was the same thing as you rand, was

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Speaker 24: that he was able to say, well, I'm not going

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Speaker 24: to talk, and the people who I'm accused of xdly

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Speaker 24: harming are not going to talk as well, I can

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Speaker 24: stop them talking.

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Speaker 2: That was the bit I just found very odd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is weird. I mean it makes sense because

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Speaker 3: they're miners, right, but then they're also the victims. So anyway.

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Speaker 3: Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: We're back in just a moment the Huddle with New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of your home news.

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Speaker 3: Talk to the fourteen away from six a Huddle tonight.

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Speaker 3: Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institute and Mark Sainsbury, Broadcaster,

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Speaker 3: that have you ever a mark been on a tenure

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Speaker 3: based pay progression.

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Speaker 24: Look, I have some When I first joined TV and

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Speaker 24: Z or what was it called them, is it change

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Speaker 24: that you know as BC and Z that n Z

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Speaker 24: TV and everything else. It was the old you know,

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Speaker 24: all your salary's got published, you could sit there. Oh,

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Speaker 24: I see, Tim is getting this much the lazy bugger

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Speaker 24: and I do traice as much work. It was a

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Speaker 24: very that regimented public service thing. But this, yeah, it

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00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 24: does does It just doesn't seem to sit right, does it.

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Speaker 24: I mean it's supposed to cover inequities where people might

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Speaker 24: have been you know, missed out and all that sort

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Speaker 24: of stuff, But yeah, it seems odd to just sit

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Speaker 24: there and just keep on, you know, cranking it over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just for just for being there, literally, just for

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Speaker 3: being in the building. This is Brian Roach to. Brian

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Speaker 3: Roach has issued a directive to the government departments to

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Speaker 3: say that your you know, tenure based pay progression, which

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00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: is essentially getting paid for being there for one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 3: twenty forty years, whatever it is, that's the thing of

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Speaker 3: the past from now on. Tim good ideas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think so.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's fascinating. Like the average annual salary

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00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 9: for a public servant in New Zealand's one hundred and

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00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 9: one k compared to in the private sector, it's eighty two.

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Speaker 9: Probably not comparing like for like, because public servants probably

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00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 9: a bit more qualified. But I just don't understand, you know,

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Speaker 9: so there is a disparity there, and if you jump

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Speaker 9: out of the public sector, you might get to pardon me,

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00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 9: the private Yeah, the public sector. Then you might actually

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 9: find that you're getting paid less. I don't understand because

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00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,479
Speaker 9: the union is saying, oh, you know, this will create

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 9: a poor workplace culture paying people competitively. I would have

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 9: thought it might produce the opposite.

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Speaker 3: I just it's funny because I have never been in

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: in a job where this has happened to me. You know,

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00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 3: any any pay increases you you have to negotiate yourself,

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Speaker 3: you have to show your performance, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So I just here's the numbers, give me some more dough.

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Speaker 3: It's so unfamiliar to me. Yeah, they're all changed.

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Speaker 24: When I was at TV and Z they went from that.

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Speaker 24: You know, you said, well, no, you've only been here

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00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 24: so long and someone else had started a year earlier

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Speaker 24: than you, So they pay, And so we went to

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Speaker 24: a contract system and say right where you could argue whatever,

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00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 24: you know, whatever you think is is if you went

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Speaker 24: under contract, you could argue. You know, you'd argue you're

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Speaker 24: in and instead of having to sort of, you know,

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Speaker 24: wait for the clock for TICHO for each year and

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Speaker 24: you might get set of three percent.

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Speaker 9: Did you know I would have thought I would have

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Speaker 9: thought it would make it create a very morbid sort

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Speaker 9: of environment where you're just waiting, you know, you're basically

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Speaker 9: waiting for someone in the hot seat to keel over

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Speaker 9: so that you can have your time. I mean, this

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Speaker 9: dining is a topic now, that's now, that's a different

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Speaker 9: gig altogether. Not that I would know anything about that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, in New Zealand coppying a bit of flat. It's

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Speaker 3: not surprising because Auckland Airport's always firing a shot at

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand and vice versa. But today they've released

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Speaker 3: the results and they're at it again and they're saying

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Speaker 3: that any Zelle is too dominant in the domestic market.

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Speaker 3: They're eighty four percent of our domestic market and they're

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Speaker 3: pushing prices up, et cetera. I mean, tell me something,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It would be lovely if we had

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Speaker 3: more operators here, but we don't, do we tim No,

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Speaker 3: we don't.

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Speaker 9: And this is with Auckland the airport bagging in New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: This is a complete monopoly. Bagging are mostly monopoly and it's.

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Speaker 3: The biggest client team.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, exactly exactly, so it's and we looked, I locked

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Speaker 24: it up.

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Speaker 2: It cost five point five.

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Speaker 9: K to land a seven forty seven four hundred at

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Speaker 9: Auckland Airport at sixteen hundred at Wellington. So I'm going

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Speaker 9: to I'm going to shatter the paradigm. I'm launching Timsey

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Speaker 9: Airport right now. It'll cost you thirty seven fifty to

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Speaker 9: bring a seven four seven four hundred into land at

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Speaker 9: may be a street in the back of Balmoral and Auckland,

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Speaker 9: but there's no worries with safety.

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Speaker 3: What about Because it's interesting when they do the comparison

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Speaker 3: to Wellington and christ at the airport mark where you

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Speaker 3: are in Wellington, they reckon that they're actually quite cheap

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Speaker 3: in Auckland.

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Speaker 4: Heh.

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Speaker 24: Wellington is sort of unique problems as it does with

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Speaker 24: a lot of it's infrastructure. Look, I just think Greek

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Speaker 24: forums should go for the health hop top health job,

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Speaker 24: because running an airline and running in New Zealand, that

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Speaker 24: might have to be one of the hardest jobs, would it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I suppose, well, especially working working at TV and

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Speaker 9: Z under a sort of wait for someone to die.

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Speaker 9: So them sounds a lot harder, a lot harder, saying.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what about James Cameron? So he was in Wellington

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Speaker 3: and well, he lives in Wellington, just in and it

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Speaker 3: was at this event last night. Apparently the event was

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Speaker 3: quite weird, saying so did you go to this this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I did.

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Speaker 3: Actually, Oh, okay, give us the lowdown. What was it about.

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Speaker 24: Look, I've got to temper that the fact I was

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Speaker 24: also helping juggle a friend of mine's kids, and so

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Speaker 24: I had to leave early. But there was over a

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Speaker 24: thousand people turned up. I mean, the vibe was really

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Speaker 24: interesting and they were talking. He was he was talking

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Speaker 24: sort of big concepts and things at first, and he

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Speaker 24: brought up the film Subsidy and he says, like, I know,

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Speaker 24: everyone sort of hates that, but we've got to invest

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Speaker 24: in Wellington. There's a sort of a tech hub and

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Speaker 24: a film sort of capital again, and so went through

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Speaker 24: all of that. The people did, They didn't get into

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Speaker 24: a the you know what, counselors are shocking and you

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Speaker 24: know who devoted to this and what about that. What

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 24: they're talking about is so I know quite a few

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Speaker 24: of the people involved. What they're talking about is trying

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Speaker 24: that's have a debate about ideas and things, get things

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Speaker 24: on the table before we sort of then get into

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Speaker 24: the nitty gritty of you know, how to.

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Speaker 2: Pay for everything.

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Speaker 24: So yeah, it was just really well, there was such

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Speaker 24: an appetite for it. I thought, there you know, and

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Speaker 24: James Cameron, you sat there, old Jim, he's such an

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Speaker 24: impressive figure and of course, you know, a big round

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Speaker 24: of applause, and you said, he's getting a citizenship in

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Speaker 24: a few months. So look, just having someone like that, who,

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Speaker 24: let's face it, could live anywhere in the world, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 24: invested in Wellington. It is quite good to get this.

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Speaker 24: There's look, something needs to happen to Wellnington getting too down.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the thing. It's you've reached rock bottom and

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Speaker 3: Wellington and clearly people are ready to start climbing out

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Speaker 3: of the whole. Right. But but I look at this

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Speaker 3: from a distance, Tim, and I think, you know, a

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Speaker 3: billionaire movie man Hollywood man comes to Wellington and asks

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Speaker 3: for taxpayer handout to save the city.

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Speaker 9: Well, here's the deal. If the projected film makes money,

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01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 9: then it's an investment. If it doesn't, if it loses money,

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Speaker 9: it's a subsidy. I've got a couple of film ideas

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Speaker 9: that might help. James Cameron out, a librarian with anger

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Speaker 9: management issues tries to find a park in Wellington Central.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not gonna be.

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Speaker 24: Okay, Yeah, that's a one off.

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Speaker 9: How about a Wellington City councilor explains why property values

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Speaker 9: have gone down and breaks have gone up.

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Speaker 2: You won't believe how it ends.

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Speaker 3: What about TV? What about TVZ broadcaster kills the colleague

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Speaker 3: to get pay right.

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Speaker 9: Now, we're talking about some serious dough.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, Hey, thanks so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you both. Tim Wilson from the Maximum

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Speaker 3: Institute and Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster out of Wellington. Discone seven

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Speaker 3: minutes Away from six News talk z b Judith Collins

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Speaker 3: is with us after six By the way, on the

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Speaker 3: Chinese navy vessels that have been seen off the coast

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Speaker 3: of Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks MB. It is five minutes away from six. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: Jim has just texted and literally just texted and made

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Speaker 3: me laugh. High run the Chinese. This is the navy

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Speaker 3: vessels off the coast of Australia, says The Chinese are

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Speaker 3: probably looking for the Cook Islands. That's quite good, Jim. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I had a big argument today, this is not funny,

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Speaker 3: big argument today with my partner about whether we should

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Speaker 3: fix or float. You know, what are you going to

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Speaker 3: do with your mortgage because we've been kind of holding

1288
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: dragging it out and dragging it out, and it's not

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Speaker 3: a floating rate, and the floating rates terrible, so even

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Speaker 3: though they're coming down, they're still terrible, especially when you

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Speaker 3: look at the you know, the two year rates, et cetera. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: so we had a big argument today. So I may

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Speaker 3: not have dinner when.

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Speaker 2: I go home.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. But we were arguing about this because ain

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Speaker 3: Z has dropped their two year rate down to four

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Speaker 3: point nine to nine percent. And then you've got some

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Speaker 3: economists and you've got some mortgage brokers as well. You

1299
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: like to pipe up at these times saying don't take

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Speaker 3: that rate. It's it's just bait. You know, don't take

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Speaker 3: that rate. It'll fall further because the obviously you stay.

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Speaker 3: The reserve banks said they'll drop by another fifty basis

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Speaker 3: points by the middle of the year and then down

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Speaker 3: to three percent. So that's seventy five basis points that

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Speaker 3: we still potentially have to go by the end of

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Speaker 3: the year. Right, So you then start to do the maths. However,

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Speaker 3: we don't know that that's going to come off the

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Speaker 3: mortgage traits, so you just end up going around in circles.

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Speaker 3: Really and you know, it's crystal ball gazing, really is

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Speaker 3: what it is. And it's probably you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: fast road to divorce. Is trying to pick the ocr

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Speaker 3: track I would have thought, and trying to do the

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Speaker 3: numbers yourself. It is three minutes away from six year.

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Speaker 3: On News Talks, it'd be Judith Collins is here.

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Speaker 2: Next up was.

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Speaker 1: Down the major calls and how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge, Mayors,

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future?

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Speaker 2: News talks have be.

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Speaker 3: Here On New Talks would be it is seven after

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Speaker 3: six the rbnz's taking a swipe at stats n Z

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Speaker 3: over bad data. Liam Dan breaks that done for us shortly.

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Speaker 3: Jamie McKay on the Members Bill, that's looking at woke

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Speaker 3: banking plus after six point thirty. I'm taking a closer

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Speaker 3: look at those film subsidies. James Cameron mentioned in Wellington

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Speaker 3: last night. We're live to London within the Brady right now, though,

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Speaker 3: concerns from the Defense Force about three Chinese navy vessels

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Speaker 3: with enormous strike power sailing off the coast of Australia.

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Speaker 3: The Defense Forces monitoring the Naval Task Group in the

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Speaker 3: Tasman Sea. This is about two hundred and eighty kilometers offshore.

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Speaker 3: China's government hasn't informed our government or Australia's of its intentions.

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Speaker 3: The Defense Minister's Judith Collins hime minister Oh hi Ryan,

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Speaker 3: good to have you on the show. They have had

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Speaker 3: any word from the Chinese yet No.

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Speaker 22: My advice is that we were not informed or have

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Speaker 22: not been informed by the Chinese government why this task

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Speaker 22: group has been deployed into our region and we've not

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Speaker 22: been informed what its future plans are.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything we need to worry about?

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Speaker 22: Well, it's an unusual move it certainly. I've been told

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Speaker 22: that it's the first time that we've had this sort

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Speaker 22: of capability from the PLA in our waters. It's when

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Speaker 22: off the coast of Australia. Incredible capability. Some of these

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Speaker 22: Turdy ships in particular, and you know once an anti

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Speaker 22: submarine could engage in anti submarine warfare. Stealth guided missile destroyer,

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Speaker 22: able to carry and launch surface to air missiles. Really

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Speaker 22: quite stunning pieces of equipment and we've never seen them

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Speaker 22: in this area before.

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Speaker 3: We don't think they're going to use them though, do we.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is more posturing, isn't it than actual

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Speaker 3: real threat.

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Speaker 22: I don't think anyone's suggesting that they're about to be

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Speaker 22: used against us, in all the Australians. It's just that

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Speaker 22: they are here, first time we've seen them, and just

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Speaker 22: a change in operation operating area really, So what do.

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Speaker 3: We do about it? Just watch them?

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Speaker 22: Well, we watch them, we monitor, That's what we do

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Speaker 22: along with the Australians, and we work together. We've got

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Speaker 22: the PHA Poseidon's, we've got our frigate, we've got various

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Speaker 22: other things out there and we're working, as I said,

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Speaker 22: along with the Australians just to keep an eye on

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Speaker 22: things and make sure that everyone knows that we're watching.

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Speaker 3: The ICBM that they launched last year into the Pacific.

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Speaker 3: They gave us twenty four hours note were warning for that.

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Speaker 3: Has there been any consequence for them for doing that?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 22: I think the consequence that I saw was that a

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Speaker 22: lot of Pacific nations that had only seen the really

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Speaker 22: great side of China, which is economic growth and areas

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Speaker 22: like that, suddenly felt very disrespected because we were pretty

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Speaker 22: much the only people that I'm aware of who got

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Speaker 22: told and certainly a lot of the Pacific nations that ICBM,

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Speaker 22: which you could be nuclear capable. What those countries got

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Speaker 22: told was nothing until after it happened.

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Speaker 3: The Cooks obviously didn't get the message.

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Speaker 22: I think the Cooks are going through a phase at

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Speaker 22: the moment, but we very much love the cook Iland

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Speaker 22: people and they are New Zealand citizens and we're here

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Speaker 22: for them.

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Speaker 3: You just come back from Munich. Must have been a

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Speaker 3: fascinating conference to be at, you know, with JD. Varance

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Speaker 3: and everything that was going on there. But you talked

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Speaker 3: about security obviously a lot. What was it like being there?

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Speaker 3: What was it like being in the room.

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Speaker 22: Well, it was certainly interesting being in the room when

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Speaker 22: Vice President vask gave a speech. There was I agreed

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Speaker 22: with quite a lot of what he said about about

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Speaker 22: democracy and freedom speech and free elections. Those are really

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Speaker 22: good things. I think though, that the audience was expecting

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Speaker 22: a bit more about defense and Ukraine and support for Ukraine.

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Speaker 22: So there was a little bit of disappointment in the room.

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Speaker 22: But look, it's just understandable that the Europeans are looking

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Speaker 22: to their own defense budgets and saying we have to

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Speaker 22: increase our spending. The US is looking to see what

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Speaker 22: they can do too. Factors, it's a very challenging time.

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Speaker 22: And what concerns me and what concerns many people in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand and also Australia is what messages do does

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Speaker 22: anyone take from a deal with Ukraine? Unless Ukraine actually

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Speaker 22: has the sovereignty.

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Speaker 3: And also if it's not backed up by at least

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Speaker 3: air cover and other capabilities from the US.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think other countries are looking to step up

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Speaker 22: in certainly the UK, and you've heard our primes to

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Speaker 22: say that if we were asked to and if it's

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Speaker 22: worked for US, we would also provide peacekeeping capability, and

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Speaker 22: we have already contributed around one hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 22: dollars in training and also equipment and money for drones

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Speaker 22: another warfare equipment to Ukraine. We believe in democracy and

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Speaker 22: we think it's worth fighting for.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how many troops would we put on

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Speaker 3: would we be able to do in a peacekeeping mission?

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Speaker 4: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: Have you had any.

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Speaker 2: Advance on that?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I haven't had an advice on that, but I

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Speaker 22: know that our people are always keen to be deployed.

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Speaker 22: We've got you know, look, we don't keep a defense

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Speaker 22: force unless they're willing to be and able to be deployed.

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Speaker 22: And the last thing we'll ever do is ever to

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Speaker 22: deploy them to something like an MiQ facility and watch

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Speaker 22: the doubts actually be ripped out of the defense force.

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Speaker 22: So we're rebuilding and they these boys and girls, Boy

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Speaker 22: do they love getting an uniform and getting off and

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Speaker 22: doing some stuff.

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Speaker 3: Are you getting more money for this budget for defense?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 22: Or well you just have to wait and see other

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Speaker 22: I'm a happy little pixie actually defense at the moment.

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Speaker 22: All right, you know very clear we have to spend

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Speaker 22: more on defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we hit two percent.

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Speaker 22: You have to wait to see, but you know, Brian,

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Speaker 22: I'll come on your show and talk about it. What's

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Speaker 22: THEESTP goes through?

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Speaker 3: All right? You keep watching those Chinese vessels in the meantime, Mate,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Judith Collins, thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: The Defense Minister Juth Collins calling and just gone thirteen

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Speaker 3: minutes after six on News Talks. William Dan's next. The

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Speaker 3: rby and Z has been taking swipes at stats in

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Speaker 3: Z who are soon to be without a CEO. Was

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Speaker 3: only an acting CEO anyway. Anyway, he is going to

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Speaker 3: be gone soon. But they're under fire from the Reserved Bank.

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan will break it down.

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Speaker 2: Next.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen minutes after six News Talks. There'd b

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Speaker 3: We'll get some of your texts in just a few seconds.

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Speaker 3: There's some really good ones coming in on China and

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Speaker 3: coming in on the interview with Judith Collins. Right now,

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank is taking issue with the quality and

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Speaker 3: also the quantity of stats New Zealand data. This has

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Speaker 3: come out of the Reserve Bank wash up yesterday. Liam

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Speaker 3: dan Is, The Herald's Business editor at large. He lium, Yeah, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: what's going on here?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean the Reserve Bank is being diplomatic.

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Speaker 25: They're not saying that it's a failing of the stats

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Speaker 25: in z basically you know that they still work out

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Speaker 25: and everything, but they're basically calling for more funding and

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Speaker 25: sort of more focus on the core economic data. So

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Speaker 25: they point to the big GDP revision late last year,

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Speaker 25: which effectively said the economy was in much better shape

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Speaker 25: over the period twenty twenty three than we thought as

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Speaker 25: one of the reasons for the misstep or u turn

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Speaker 25: or whatever that they didn't make the change in the

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Speaker 25: in the in the policy direction that that sort of

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Speaker 25: people picked up on between May and August. That there's

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Speaker 25: one of the reasons that they highlighted there. So this

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Speaker 25: came through yesterday and again in the Select Committee this morning.

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Speaker 25: They're saying our stats just aren't up for purpose. Really,

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Speaker 25: they're saying there's six months out of date and often mismeasured,

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Speaker 25: was the quote.

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Speaker 3: But do other countries not operate on the similar numbers

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Speaker 3: because and it's they're not more high you know, the

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Speaker 3: high frequency data that they like to talk about from

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Speaker 3: lots of different sources in New Zealand that the central

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Speaker 3: banks should be looking also.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, so they're saying they're having to look more closely

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Speaker 25: at the high frequency stuff, which is like your performance

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Speaker 25: and manufacturing and all this sort of stuff. But it's

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Speaker 25: it's the trouble that the more high frequency it is,

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Speaker 25: the less you know, absolute it is in terms of

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Speaker 25: giving us a good strong signals. And yeah, internationally they

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Speaker 25: get inflation data once a month and a lot of

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Speaker 25: places they get GDP once a month and they break

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Speaker 25: down the GDP and look, we're a small country, so

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Speaker 25: I suppose we don't have the resource, but we're also

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Speaker 25: a small country in terms of what we measure. And

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Speaker 25: when you think about how important this is, like if

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Speaker 25: there's a misalignment between the monetary policy based on understanding

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Speaker 25: where our economy is, it can cost billions of dollars,

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Speaker 25: as we've seen over the last few years. Now, I'm

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Speaker 25: putting aside the fact that a lot of people. There

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Speaker 25: are critics out there who will say that this sounds

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Speaker 25: like excuses or whatever from the restive bank. Regardless, I

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Speaker 25: think it's an area that you know, we can't lose.

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Speaker 25: And if the government doesn't have a lot of money

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Speaker 25: to do to look at the funding on this, perhaps

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Speaker 25: they should be looking at some of the prioritization of

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Speaker 25: where status puts its focus, because they have had a

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Speaker 25: number of years of sort of broadening their focus under

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Speaker 25: the previous government. Well being and things like that, looking

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Speaker 25: at a wide.

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Speaker 3: Range of nonsense. Well, yeah, look, I had a look.

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Speaker 25: There isn't that much nonsense stuff, but there is a

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Speaker 25: lot of qualitative stuff, stuff that gives us a nice

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Speaker 25: breakdown of how inflation falls within different social groups and

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Speaker 25: different you know, all the different groupings. It's nice to

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Speaker 25: see that and it can help with policy setting for

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Speaker 25: inequality and all that sort of stuff. But really, at

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Speaker 25: the core, you know, we need to get the basics right,

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Speaker 25: and that's maybe where we're not leading the world like

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Speaker 25: we should be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, surely there's some at one day and there'll

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01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: be an AI thing that will just take care of

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 3: it all.

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Speaker 25: I can never decide whether I'm scared of the AI.

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 25: I just wanted to move faster and actually start getting it.

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Speaker 3: All right, m New Zealand Heill, Business Editor at Large,

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time. Twenty after six year

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Speaker 3: on news Talk said the Jamie McKay's here next to

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01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 3: White because it's quite actually an amazing story. You know,

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01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 3: the New Zealand First Party and they're woke banking bill

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01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 3: that they the members bill that they announced what just

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01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 3: last week? Was it all the week before? It's already

1529
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 3: been plucked from the ballot, the private member's bill. It's

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: targeting what the party calls woke banking practices. That has

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01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 3: been plucked from the ballot today. So we'll talk to

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 3: you Jamie about that next.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on hither du for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Drive twenty three minutes after six. So the Financial Markets

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Speaker 3: Conduct of Institution's Amendment Bill has been plucked from the

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01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 3: ballot today. That is the New Zealand First Amendment bill

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01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 3: that would try and take on quote woke bank lending.

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01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 3: And Jamie McKay is with us, he's from the country

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 3: here on newstalk said be Hi, Jamie, gooday, Ryan, what

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Speaker 3: do you make I mean obviously that this is going

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: to be a huge issue for in concern for the

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 3: rural sector. Do you what are your thoughts on whether

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01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 3: it'll actually get past the line.

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't know if we'll get past the line,

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01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 11: but I say good on Andy Foster, the former Wellington

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01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 11: there for chucking it in the This is the one

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01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 11: they pull out of the biscuit and Ryan is that

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 11: where it comes from? That's right, yep, yeah, yeah, so

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01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 11: it got pulled out afternoon.

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Speaker 10: Yeh.

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01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 11: Got on them because look, I've been on the case

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01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 11: of the banks as well. You can call them woke

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01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 11: banks or whatever, but they've been under huge pressure recently

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01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 11: for some of their more unpalatable lending practices. Federated Farmers,

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 11: to give them credit, have been leading the charge on

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01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,520
Speaker 11: this one. They've been instrumental in securing the set selectivity

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 11: inquiry that's currently underway, and they quite rightly point out

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 11: that these woke banks, if you want to call them that,

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01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 11: setting different targets for Australian farmers than New Zealand farmers.

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01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 11: We've got all this nonsense about dbanking, petrol stations, rural

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01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 11: based petrol stations, or even some farmers if they don't

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 11: meet their emissions reduction targets. And it's worth remembering and

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01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 11: reiterating Ryan, the net zero banking alliance, that all the

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01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 11: big ossie banks belong to, the big banks in America

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01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 11: have all poured out of it, you know, the likes

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01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 11: the Bank of America, Goldman, Sachs, JP, Morgan, so Weather.

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Speaker 11: This is just another thing that will fall over under

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 11: the Trump regime around the world. Who knows. But all

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01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 11: I know is that the banks have had it too

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01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 11: good for too long. And I say, good on federated

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01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 11: farmers shoving it.

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Speaker 3: Right up, fair enough, fair enough, I don't. I mean,

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 3: there are a whole bunch of reasons I think they

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: shouldn't do it, But I think regardless it's it won't

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01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 3: get much supportive. I mean, ziem first obviously back but

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01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 3: I can't see well obviously act won't and I can't

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01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 3: see him the end actually natural doing it either. But anyhow,

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Speaker 3: we'll see how it goes on in Parliament. The confidence

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: survey looking really strong.

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Speaker 11: Jamie, Yeah, well that one came out yesterday. So but

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Speaker 11: I mean I could have written the confidence survey myself,

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01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 11: to be honest, Rine, from just my dialogue that I

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 11: talked to on a regular base. And while it's great,

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01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 11: I'm just trying to drag the numbers. Say, we've gone

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01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 11: from a deeply negative minus sixty six and that is

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01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 11: incredibly deeply negative in July twenty twenty four to a

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01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 11: net positive score of two percent. So that's a massive surge.

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01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 11: But you know, you've got to remember we're only we've

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01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 11: only got a net positive score of two percent, so

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01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 11: that's in terms of economic conditions. But look, to be

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01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 11: fair to the current government and the regime, the markets

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01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 11: have come to the party as well. Most of our

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 11: primary sector products are receiving good or in some cases

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01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 11: record prices, like the likes of the likes of beef,

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 11: fairy Kiwi fruits very very good. So you know, like

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Speaker 11: as I said this, I think the other day on

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01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 11: my show of Farmer's Confidence isn't up on this, it

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01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 11: never will be. The planets are aligning in twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: five for a pretty good farming year.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely great news and good for all of us because

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01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 3: it reaches us eventually. Jamie, thank you. Jamie McKay hosted

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01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 3: the Country here on News Talks. Heb twenty six minutes

1603
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: after six lots. Actually quite a few bills drawn today.

1604
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 3: You had the alcohol Kera Macinalty's alcohol bill at Easter,

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 3: and then you have the Enabling Crown Entities to adopt

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01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 3: Mardi Names Bill, which does what it says on the tin.

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01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 3: There's eleven Sorry, twenty seven minutes after sex here on

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01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 3: News Talk SIB.

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01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Sir Harmony's dream.

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01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm on a buddy Army dream.

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01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and players, insurance and investments, grew your wealth,

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01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: protect your future.

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01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 2: News Talks edb.

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Speaker 3: Somewhere are no longer go.

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Speaker 2: And I want you run away now from all the.

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Speaker 8: Lovely thing we now.

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01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 3: Twenty five minutes away from seven. You're on News TALKSIB.

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01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: We had Greg Furan on the program earlier and I

1620
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 3: just can't stop the text from people about in New Zealand.

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01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 3: This one says from juliusys Ryan. Literally, my all conto

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01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 3: christ Jets flight got canceled as you were interviewing Greg

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 3: four and we now have a four hour weight to

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 3: our connecting flights. Sorry, Julie, keep listening Ryan. Greg needs

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01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: to listen to his market. We're a small business. We

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01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 3: spent forty five thousand dollars on airfares and twenty twenty three.

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01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 3: But we have moved to Jetstar. We're spending twenty two

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01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. It's just too expensive, said Juan. Yeah, I

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01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 3: can understand that I often fly Jetstar just because of

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01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 3: the price differential, and I just my experience, nothing based

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01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 3: on the numbers, although the numbers in terms of on

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01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 3: time performance for in New Zealand have been bad. But

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01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 3: I always find that if you get a jet Star flight,

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01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 3: it will more often than not leave on time. The

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01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 3: question is just whether it leaves it all like they're

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01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: more likely to be canceled completely, but if they do go,

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01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 3: they're always on time. That's my experience at Jetstar, twenty

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01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: four minutes away from seven Ryan Bridge. So James Cameron

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 3: was down at this event in Wellington last night. He

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01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: was a guest speaker for the lobby group Vision for Wellington.

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01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: It was meant to be the meeting focused on the

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01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 3: city and all the issues they're having and the fact

1643
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 3: they can't fix their pipes, et cetera. But James Cameron

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: took the opportunity to talk about how important it is

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01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 3: for all of us to support the film subsidies that

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01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 3: we have in New Zealand now international film and TV

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 3: productions currently they can get about twenty percent of cash

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01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 3: rebate if they film right here. Iren Gardner's the president

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01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 3: of the Screen Producers in New Zealand. She's with me

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01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: Hi Irene Hi there. Good to have you on the show.

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01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 3: Do you know when I saw this, I thought, of

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01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 3: course James Cameron loves this. He just wants more money

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01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 3: out of the government.

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 26: Well, yes and no. He does bring an awful lot

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01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 26: of money into New Zealand, so you know, I think

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01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 26: we have to give them credit for that. And that's

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01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 26: the thing with the rebate, and I think it's the

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01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 26: point James was trying to make, is that people kind

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01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 26: of think, oh, it's just you know, free money, it's

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01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 26: a grant, it's a giveaway, it's a subsidy, whatever. But

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Speaker 26: it is, in fact a percentage rebate. It's what happens

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 26: in the screen industry all around the world.

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Speaker 24: And really for.

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 26: Every dollar that goes back, we get about six into

1665
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 26: the economy, back into the New Zealand economy and so

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01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 26: and in fact Avatar is probably at the higher end

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01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 26: of that. Their contribution to Wellington and New Zealand is incredible.

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01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 26: So I'm quite pleased that James was talking up the

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01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 26: rebate because he's right.

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Speaker 3: Would the industry survive without it?

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Speaker 26: No, No, it is absolutely the background backbone rather of

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01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 26: the New Zealand screen industry, and that goes for international

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 26: and domestic. For international, they just wouldn't come here without

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01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 26: it because they can get it in pretty much every

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01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 26: other territory and so even though we have wonderful scene

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01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 26: or any wonderful landscape, great cruise, they would not come

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01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 26: here without it and we would lose all of that

1678
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 26: international money. But also for the domestic industry now that

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01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 26: things are extremely tough for local production because of years

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01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 26: of the streamers hoovering up advertising dollar. We'll not edvertising dollar,

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01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 26: but the eyes that we made advertising dollar off. A

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01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 26: lot of our producers are now having to work in

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01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 26: the co production area, you know, doing shows that screen

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 26: all around the world, and they tend to be the

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01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 26: rebate shows. So we would be really bereefed about it

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01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 26: for domestic these days because you know, everything is just

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01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 26: so tough in that area.

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01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 3: There's a show on Netflix at the moment. I just

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01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 3: noticed it the other day actually, when I was flying

1690
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 3: on that Jetstar Flight that I was talking about, and

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Speaker 3: it's a New Zealand show on Netflix based in Cai Coolder.

1692
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 3: It's all based around it or after an earthquake. Do

1693
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 3: you know the one that I'm talking about?

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01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 26: I do know the way and it's called Friends Like Her.

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 24: Yes, it's a great little well.

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Speaker 26: It's interesting actually because we've had a bit of a

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01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 26: beef with Netflix and that you know, they set up

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01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 26: an office a while back called you know, Netflix Australia,

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01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 26: New Zealand, but they actually never commissioning anything out of

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01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 26: New Zealand. But that's an acquisition, it's not a commission.

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01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 26: It's a show that was actually made for three here,

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01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 26: but they've now bought it and it's screening on Netflix.

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01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 26: So that's a little foot in the door, which is

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01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 26: good because Netflix has been using New Zealand as a

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01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 26: location for international productions and now they're starting to buy

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01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 26: a few existing shows. So we really hope that the

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01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 26: next step is that they would actually commission some shows

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01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 26: from New Zealand production houses.

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01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: What would they pass for a show like that?

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01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 2: Do you know?

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01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 26: I don't know, because it'll be different from show to show,

1712
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 26: but to be honest, it's not terribly much when they

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01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 26: just buy it late in the piece as an acquisition.

1714
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 26: Where the real money is is when people invest in

1715
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 26: the show at the front end. You know, they commission it,

1716
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 26: they put money in it. It might be a bunch

1717
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 26: of different production companies. All of that money comes into

1718
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 26: New Zealand and it may have some New Zealand funding

1719
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 26: as well. And then of course it gets the rebate

1720
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 26: percentage taken out, which is hugely helpful.

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01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 3: If they see this, you know one that they've a

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01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 3: it does well on the streaming platform. I mean, is

1723
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 3: that how you start to build a relationship with them

1724
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 3: to say, hey, some of our content might actually do

1725
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: well on your platform. Maybe you should start to go

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01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: from the ground up here.

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Speaker 26: I think so, and I really hope so. And that's

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Speaker 26: a great show. And we've had a few factual shows

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Speaker 26: on there as well which have been good little shows

1730
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Speaker 26: like Casketeers and Down for Love and things like that.

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Speaker 26: And then to see Friends like Her, which is a

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01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 26: really good drama. It can only be good. You know

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Speaker 26: that one thing leads to another, because I think we

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01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 26: do still suffer a little bit because not so much

1735
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Speaker 26: in factual because it's a bit more level playing for

1736
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 26: it field, but in drama and comedy, where New Zealand's

1737
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 26: budgets haven't quite been so high as the world, I

1738
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 26: think there is perhaps a perception, oh, can they do it?

1739
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Speaker 26: And of course now that we've got more into the

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Speaker 26: co production world, which that show is, you know, you

1741
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 26: get shows like After the Party going all around the

1742
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Speaker 26: world and The Gone and you know, Far North and

1743
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Speaker 26: things like that. So I think we are proving that

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Speaker 26: we can do it and it's just getting them to

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01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 26: understand that and take a punt.

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Speaker 3: Really interesting stuff. Iren, thank you very much for that

1747
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 3: Iron Gardener, the Sparta present. That's the present of these

1748
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 3: screen producers in New Zealand, just gone nineteen minutes away

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Speaker 3: from seven. All off the back of James Cameron and

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01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 3: his comments in Wellington yesterday. I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: people don't like James Cameron and whiteed Upper because he's

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01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 3: you know, he does like the green farming and they're

1753
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: obviously a primary industries area, rural area, a lot of

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Speaker 3: farming going on there and a lot of people just

1755
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: think bag her off back over the hill, over the room,

1756
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 3: attuck as you go. But that's where he was last

1757
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 3: night talking about the fact they need these film rebates

1758
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 3: eighteen minutes away from seven here on News Talks B,

1759
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Speaker 3: We're live in London.

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Speaker 2: Next. If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Lairs, Insurance and Investments,

1762
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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future.

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Speaker 2: News Talks V.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen to seven on News TALKSB. So Trump calls Zelenski

1765
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Speaker 3: a dick, and now Starma is calling Zelensky for apparently

1766
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 3: some advice in the Brady's at UK Correspondent in the

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Speaker 3: Good Evening.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, reassurance I think was the main kind of effect

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Speaker 12: that the Downing Street wanted last night from that phone call.

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Speaker 4: So Starmer got on.

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Speaker 12: The phone, spoke to Zelenski. They get on. They have

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Speaker 12: a good relationship. And this is all because of what

1773
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 12: Trump said. As ever, lately, whatever happens in the world,

1774
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Speaker 12: he has an opinion, and the feeling here is that

1775
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 12: he's very wrong. So the reason Trump called Zelenski a

1776
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Speaker 12: dictator is because he suspended elections, brought in martial law.

1777
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Speaker 12: His term in office was due to finish in May

1778
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Speaker 12: of last year. There should have been presidential elections in Ukraine.

1779
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Speaker 12: And Trump is making out that he's a dictator because

1780
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Speaker 12: of that. Here in the UK, people are pointing out, well,

1781
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 12: world War two, what the Winston Churchill do? He suspended

1782
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 12: elections until after the war was finished, and of course,

1783
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 12: famously Churchill then lost that election. The Russians are rubbing

1784
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 12: their hands with glee at the prospect of them enforcing

1785
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 12: elections in Ukraine because what they're trying to do is

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Speaker 12: get Zelenski out. They haven't managed to kill him in

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Speaker 12: the last three years, so what they're hoping is that

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Speaker 12: some pro Kremlin puppet will somehow engineer a win in

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Speaker 12: Ukrainian elections at some point this year. If there is

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Speaker 12: a peace plan, Starmer is going to get on a

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Speaker 12: plane next week to Washington.

1792
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Speaker 11: D C.

1793
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Speaker 12: And see Trump face to face. And it does look

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01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 12: like the UK Prime Minister is stepping up now as

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01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 12: the statesman of Europe to try and get involved here

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Speaker 12: and make sure Ukraine does not go down the pan.

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Speaker 3: Does he have the experience to do then, well, that's

1798
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 3: a very good question.

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Speaker 12: But look, given that we had Liz Trust run this

1800
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Speaker 12: country for six weeks and we had the circus with

1801
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 12: Boris Johnson, I would say Starmer is our best bet.

1802
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 12: And as much as a lot of people won't like

1803
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 12: hearing that. He's a very serious man and these are

1804
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 12: serious times. But in all honesty, I mean it's a

1805
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 12: pretty bar here in the UK the last few years.

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Speaker 3: A huge sinkhold. Tell us about this. This is Neil, London,

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01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 3: a village and it's head to lead to some evacuations

1808
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Speaker 3: of homes because of these sink all so big.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and another one has now appeared beside it on

1810
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 12: the same stretch of road. It's on the main street

1811
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 12: through a place called Godstone now is in the county

1812
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 12: of Surrey, just south of London.

1813
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Speaker 2: Why is it important.

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Speaker 12: It is a main kind of cut through to get

1815
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 12: on the M twenty five motorway, so literally thousands of

1816
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Speaker 12: motorists would have gone through the village of Godston most days.

1817
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Speaker 12: Local residents are saying this is part of the problem,

1818
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 12: big heavy lorries using their village as a cut through.

1819
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Speaker 12: What's actually going on is it's built on chalkstone and

1820
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 12: there were mines in the area years ago. There are

1821
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 12: caves in the area and clearly subsidence has happened, so

1822
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 12: imagine you can see the pictures online. It is absolutely shocking.

1823
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 12: The first sinkhole is twenty meters long, and the end

1824
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 12: result is emergency services called in, people evacuated, and local

1825
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 12: workmen telling reporters that this job is not days, not weeks,

1826
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Speaker 12: it is months and thirty families have had to leave

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Speaker 12: their family homes just like that.

1828
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Speaker 3: Goodness. Are they flats like next to each other or

1829
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 3: are they stand alone homes in the sweet village?

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Speaker 12: They look to be standalone semi loan properties. It's an

1831
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Speaker 12: expensive area. But you know, basically people have been.

1832
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Speaker 4: Told gold to a hotel.

1833
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Speaker 2: There is no support.

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Speaker 12: Locals are saying some people have gone to friends. I

1835
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 12: guess you find out who your friends are is you've

1836
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Speaker 12: got to move house in space of ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jim Redler's this is a reckless sorry. This is

1838
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 3: the guy that's running in the Austin and owns Anios

1839
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 3: rather and is having a bit of a running with

1840
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 3: our New Zealand rugby union. So Men's History United, which

1841
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 3: he owns too. They've got some financial results that aren't

1842
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 3: great for the last quarter.

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Speaker 12: This is really interesting. So this now paints us the

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01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 12: picture as to why he's pulled out with NZ Rugby,

1845
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 12: why he's pulled out of the America's Cup with Ben

1846
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 12: Engsley lots of other projects as well. I see a

1847
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 12: sponsorship deal with Tottenham Hotspur wenty yesterday in the Premier League.

1848
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Speaker 12: Right the last three months of last year Manchester United

1849
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 12: lost is Manchester United. They lost fifty four million en

1850
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Speaker 12: Zed dollars. Now included in that was a payoff for

1851
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 12: the outgoing manager who got sacked, the Dutch guy Eric

1852
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 12: ten Hagen, his coaches and also a guy called Dan

1853
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 12: Ashworth who was brought in much fanfare as sporting director.

1854
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Speaker 12: He lasted less than six months. Getting rid of the

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01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 12: two of them and all the coaches cost somewhere in

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Speaker 12: the region of twenty nine million en Z. And on

1857
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 12: top of that, loans from the Glazer family that they

1858
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 12: engineered in the last nineteen and a half years have

1859
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 12: now topped. This is the interest on the loans. Manchester

1860
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Speaker 12: United have paid two billion en Zed dollars and it's

1861
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 12: clear Raptliffe sat down and thought this has to stop.

1862
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 12: We need to shore ups money somehow.

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Speaker 3: Goodness me, that does help to actually explain the situation

1864
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Speaker 3: that we find ourselves in here at the bottom of

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Speaker 3: the world. End to thank you for that, end of

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Speaker 3: Brady are UK correspondent with us. It has just gone

1867
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Speaker 3: ten minutes away from seven. I think it was eight

1868
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Speaker 3: million dollars a year from just off the top of

1869
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Speaker 3: my head. The Ineos contract that ends at our had

1870
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 3: so for them over at Manchester United. To lose fifty

1871
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 3: four million dollars in the space of three months would

1872
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Speaker 3: explain maybe why his appetite for sporting endeavors might be waning.

1873
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Speaker 3: News Talks EDB ten to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too plus Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by NEWSTALKSB.

1876
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Speaker 3: News Talks VB. It is eight minutes away from seven.

1877
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Speaker 3: There's a really interesting legal case over in the US.

1878
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 3: It's an embryo error at a birthing clinic. This is

1879
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Speaker 3: in Georgia in the United States. So there's a woman

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Speaker 3: by the name of Christina Murray. She used IVF to

1881
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 3: have a baby. She's thirty eight years old, right, so

1882
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 3: she's nearing, you know, the end of her period where

1883
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 3: she can have a baby. The cock is ticking, everything's great.

1884
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,719
Speaker 3: She gives birth to a beautiful baby boy. Only problem

1885
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Speaker 3: was that he was African American. She's white. Now, obviously

1886
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with the fact that it was anaphrit American baby,

1887
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 3: but clearly not hers. She used a white sperm donor.

1888
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 3: She gives birth to a black baby, so turns out

1889
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 3: obviously not her baby. Child's biological parents have been found.

1890
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 3: They have now taken custody of the baby. She had

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01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 3: the boy for a few months in her care and

1892
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 3: obviously formed a bit of a bond with him, then

1893
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: has to hand him over, which she did so willingly.

1894
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 3: You know she did, you know, did it voluntarily. She's

1895
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 3: now sewing obviously because it's America and it's an IVF clinic,

1896
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 3: so she is suing the clinic for all that it's worth.

1897
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 3: Only mix ups happen. They're not uncommon in the United States.

1898
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 3: In California, there was a case of two women who

1899
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 3: gave birth to each other's babies and then had to swap.

1900
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, if you have to get this right, people,

1901
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 3: and it's not something you want to screw up because

1902
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 3: that poor woman, think of it, thirty eight years old,

1903
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 3: carries the baby full term, has the baby, thinking this

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Speaker 3: is the start of a new life with her child,

1905
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 3: and then not only is it not hers, but she

1906
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 3: can't keep it. That's brutal. She'll probably get knowing it's

1907
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 3: America lots and lots of money, but that's probably small recompense.

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01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 3: Six minutes away from seven, I'll take you to England

1909
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 3: now with the English Folk Dance and Song Society. Immediately boring,

1910
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 3: but anyway, it gets better. They have put out a

1911
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Speaker 3: press release they want their dancers to stop using terms

1912
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,799
Speaker 3: like ladies and gentlemen for fear of offending minority genders.

1913
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 3: Now this is interesting because barn dancers, which they do,

1914
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 3: have defined male and female roles and the caller has

1915
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 3: to say, you know, man, woman, etc. It's quite important

1916
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 3: in this particular dancing community. What they want them to

1917
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 3: do instead is just define people by the colors that

1918
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Speaker 3: they're wearing, so you would say, hey, person in the

1919
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 3: purple or person in the orange, can you please do this?

1920
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Speaker 3: As opposed to men, I mean, how is it? How

1921
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 3: practical is that if you've got a group of people

1922
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 3: and you're trying to corral them and you need the

1923
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 3: men to do something or the women to do something. Honestly,

1924
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 3: just sounds like an absolute nightmare. Coming up to four

1925
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 3: minutes away from seven and it's what are we going

1926
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Speaker 3: out to tonight?

1927
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Speaker 19: Telephone by Lady Gaga and Beyonce to play us out.

1928
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 19: So Lady Gago's got her new album out, so she's

1929
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Speaker 19: doing the press circuit and everything. So Vanity Fair did

1930
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Speaker 19: something quite clever. Actually, they did a lie detector interview

1931
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 19: where they hooked up to a light at tea the

1932
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Speaker 19: test and just ask her a bunch of stuff, you know,

1933
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Speaker 19: just to see whether anything pinged. So one of the

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Speaker 19: questions was will there be a sequel to the song?

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Speaker 19: Came out a long time ago. Lady Gaga and Beyonce

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Speaker 19: haven't collabed since then, so will there be one? So

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Speaker 19: she said maybe, which I think is cheating. She said yes.

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Speaker 19: But then when I asked, will Beyonce be involved? She

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Speaker 19: said maybe, which you know, I think she's found a way.

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Speaker 10: Around that one.

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Speaker 19: But when asked, is the only reason you haven't done

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Speaker 19: one because of scheduling conflicts with Beyonce? She said no,

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Speaker 19: So a bit more of a clear answer on that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's a good song. It's a really good song. Thanksance,

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Speaker 3: Thanks everyone, say tomorrow.

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