1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with us, Hey, Thomas, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: they're good after to see the Health Minister as calling 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: the doctors back to the negotiating table. When is this 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: going to happen? 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: Looks I mean they didn't even put the most recent 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: They didn't even put the most recent offer to the members. 7 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: So clearly there's not a there's not a great relationship here. 8 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: This this most recent offer didn't sound didn't sound all 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: that bad. I think a junior doctor, I think would 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: have get Sorry, a first year specialist would have had 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: a nine point five percent pay increase on the on 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: the last offer, which would have increased their pay by 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: about seventeen thousand dollars. Simeon Brown says, So it's not 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't sound ungenerous. I think perhaps one of the 15 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: main sticking points is is the working conditions and staffing 16 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: levels in the hospitals. I think you've heard a lot 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: of commentary from the the union about about that, but certainly, 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: I mean you wouldn't if you were the union want 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: to try your luck too much with this. I think 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: four thousand, I think the Health New Zealand says four thousand, 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: three hundred procedures were delayed today. So there's only so 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: many times you can you can pull that trick before 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: you before you wear the public's patients. I'm thinking, of course, 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: about the teachers a couple of years ago. I think 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: they tried the public a bit too much. The yere So, yeah, 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: they seem to be pretty in a pretty intractable state 27 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: at the moment, but you would think that this can't 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 2: go on forever. 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: No, how far short is this payoffer from what the 30 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: of what the doctors want? 31 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: Look, I am I if they haven't, if they haven't 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: even put the most recent one to the members, I 33 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: would say it is a fair way off what they want. 34 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: I don't know what how much money there is left 35 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: in the and the kitty. Of course, Health New Zealand 36 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: has been cutting well, been trying to get spending down 37 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: after that finding that one half billion dollar deaficit last year. 38 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: But again, if if if the members weren't even asked 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: to vote in it, you'd have to say this is 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: there's probably a fair bit of a fear bit of 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: room between the two camps. 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, now explain something to me. Okay, So David Seymour 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: wants to cut a whole bunch of ministerial roles. But 44 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: does he actually want to cut ministries as well? 45 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he he wants to do. The background of this 46 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: is he made a speech speech today about this. He cited, 47 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: putting back to New Zealand Initiative paper. I think this 48 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: absolute proliferation and ministries and departments, and we've seen it. 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: I mean recently you've got what the Climate Change Commission 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: got preened, and the last government to out a fitty 51 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: ministry of Pacific people's like aha, the Ministry for disabled people. 52 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: They've only just arrived recently. He pointed as well to 53 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: the fact that under the first MMP governments you have 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: these ministers outside of cabinet, you have a proliferation of ministries, 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: proliferation of ministers. He thinks you could actually reduce the 56 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: size of these down to maybe twenty twenty key ministers 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: and also abolish abolished portfolios that don't have a direct 58 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: ministry attached to them. I mean, and again you've seen 59 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: this recently that I mean James Meagan, the Minister for 60 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: the South Island. 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: The last nonsense, isn't it. 62 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: Well, the last time I checked, I read his briefing 63 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: to the end coming minister. As you know, you know, 64 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: every new minister gets their briefing to the incoming minister. 65 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: His one said, I'm sorry, minister, there are no staff 66 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: and this, which begs the question who wrote it? 67 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Very good question. Okay is this? I mean, look, I 68 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: love it. I love what David Seymore was talking about. 69 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: It. 70 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Incidentally just happened to Sarah to be talking serendipitously be 71 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: talking about this yesterday ourselves. What are the chances that 72 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: he actually gets to do this, I mean, give me 73 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: the reality check here. 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: Oh the reality check is not good. I would think 75 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: I would. It's a classic m MP. I think he 76 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: has a good chance of getting part of the way. 77 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: I think there is a good there are always good 78 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: opportunities for mergers and rationalizations. I think clearly the government 79 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: wants to reduce the public service. He's count a bit, 80 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: so we get part of the way. Whether he'll I mean, 81 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: whether he'll get the hold that's not happening the whole. 82 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Can I take heart from the fact that he's he's 83 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: talking about this in the same month as the budget. 84 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: Well he he actually told the hero that this is 85 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: not a budget thing like this is, you know, so 86 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: it is you know. 87 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Question not to say it to me to b. 88 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sorry. 89 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: Tory is not going to be Andrew Little's deputy, is she? 90 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: No? This is I mean? Andrew Little did this very 91 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: He was both very explicit but very cachful that he 92 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: represents change. Tory Fano is obviously not changed. She is 93 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: the current mayor. But if he becomes mayor, which seems 94 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: pretty likely, he'd be the favorite. Tory will not be 95 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: will not be his his deputy mayor. Biggest question who 96 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: will be? Uh? He will probably want to build a 97 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: good relationship around the council table, but not want to 98 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: perhaps reflect repeat the mistakes of Paul Eagle, who probably 99 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: built a coalition that was slightly too broad. I think 100 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: he probably reached across the aisle too much to the 101 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: right during the election campaign, which put off some of 102 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: his supporters on the left, which probably propelled Tory Foanna 103 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: to win the election that time round. So he's got 104 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: a difficult decision there. But certainly, you know Wellington, there 105 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: is there is a mood for change, very clearly in Wellington, 106 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: and certainly you know campaigning and acknowledging that you want 107 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: the incoment here to be your deputy is probably not 108 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: the best way to reflect that. 109 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: It's a very few point, Thomas, Thanks very much, Thomas Codlan, 110 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: the Herald's political editor. Yeah, very smart move from Andrew Little, 111 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: because if you were listening to the show yesterday, so 112 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: it started with Tory floating the idea that she would 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: like to be his deputy and that he might like 114 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: to consider her in that role, and then if you 115 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: were listening to the show yesterday you will have seen 116 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: it and had kind of built up its own momentum 117 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: and people from the right were now saying that a 118 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: deal had been struck. So Andrew Little has clearly moved 119 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: today to just shut that down and he said she's 120 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: not going to be the deputy. And it's a smart 121 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: move because that's how people feel about Tory as the deputy. 122 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: I would say for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 123 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 124 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.