1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: On the huddle tonight, Bridget Morton, Ali Jones of red 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: PR Good evening, I do good to have you here. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Let's start with the COVID inquiry, shall we, and off 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: to a rocking start. There are people giving submissions, I 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: mean some really interesting and worthwhile submissions, I think. But 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Chris Hipkins, not too keen on the whole thing, says 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: it's platforming extremist views from memory is what he told 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: me this morning, Bridget. What do you make of that? 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's a bit rich for the guy 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: whose decisions are underscrutiny to try and undermine the outcomes 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: of what you know, that commission is meant to achieve. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: It is meant to be a belief of people to 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: feedback on how it defective then how decisions could be 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: made differently. And for him to sort of just saying 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: that it's you know, conspiracy theorists and they're not worth anything, 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: this shows really that he hasn't learned a single lesson 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: since he made these decisions, or since he you know, 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: lost spectacularly the twenty twenty three election, which was resoundingly 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: people's saying to the government hasn't been listening it, Yeah, I. 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Sort of thought that I thought it was an odd 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: approach when he could have just gave it nothing answer, Ellie, 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: what did you think? 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I agree with you on that, actually, Ryan, 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: that he could have shouldn't have gone down that path. 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: I think this is a comms issue more than anything. 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: I have some real sympathy for his position about not 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: wanting to turn this into a stage for theatrics. You know, 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: he talked about nooses with names attached. I mean that's 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: just outrageous, you know, And we don't want a stage 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: for anti vaxxers and law breakers and others that are 31 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: to be perfectly frank, complete nutter loons. What I don't understand, though, 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: is that that first part, that phase one didn't look 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: at a bunch of things, but it did look at 34 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: a whole lot of stuff. And I want to know 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: whether there's some repetition going on here that is not needed. 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: So I'd really like to sort of go I haven't 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: gone through those terms of references yet. 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, look, I do have some sympathy for. 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: Chris Tipkins on this. I mean, I don't think some 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: of these people should be given the time of day 41 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: to be perfectly frank. We should be listening to people 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: who don't get stuck down wormholes and cause the damage 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: and upset that these people do. 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: But that's the point. By the way, the mandates, the lockdowns, 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: the length of the lockdowns, and the political decision making 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: behind them, those are the things in this chranch of 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: the inquiry, Elie, is what they're looking at. It's different. 48 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: But I think, Ellie, I don't care how mad you are, Like, 49 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: this is a Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID and 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: it was the biggest powers any government's had since certainly 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: since Muldoon, and it affected everybody's life. I just think, 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't care how nutty you are. You deserve to 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: be there and have your say. 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: Ah. 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: So look I do. 56 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. And in fact, I've always 57 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: said every voice should be heard, and they should be. 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: But you know, could we have just a button that 59 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: we could drop them there? Or there could be a 60 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: hole in the floor. And I'm not being facetious or 61 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: rude or mean Hereeriously, Look, I've sat in meetings where 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: there have been people, No, seriously, Ryan, there have been 63 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: people in these meetings who chant, who waive banners, who 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: distract from you know, the pest having nosis of people's 65 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: names on them. I actually would like to see those 66 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: people arrested and locked away. That's where they should be. 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: I think just when you have heard of people chant 68 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: or waving banners, I mean that's pretty much a Green 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Party protest. Like there's no real difference between many of 70 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: these activists, you know, and I think, you know, we 71 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: do actually have a little bit of a control here 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: because these people are able to have their say. That 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: doesn't mean the Royal Commission is going to then take 74 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: what they say and make it into recommendations that the 75 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: government needs to respond on. We've got some brilliant experts 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: on that commission that are looking at the evidence that 77 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: it's very smart. They don't hear those and they are 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: going to look at them through an anegal lend. I 79 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: think there's no harm in that in these people actually 80 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: feel like they have this say because lots of them 81 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: had their livelihoods absolutely destroyed during the COVID period, and 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: I think what has happened to them often gets minimized. 83 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Allie Jones and Bridget Morton on the Huddle Tonight. The 84 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Huddle Tonight at twelve to six Bridget Morton and Allie Jones. 85 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back, guys, TV one News. They apparently are having 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: an independent auditor review their bulletin to check for balance 87 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: and bias. They've had a lot of complaints about seemingly 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: cuddling the left a little bit too much. Ellie, what 89 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: do you think watched it lately? What do you reckon? 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 91 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: I do. I watch one every night actually, and then 92 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: I go back and watch three as well. Interested in 93 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: here is that I believe that the review is related 94 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: to a drop in the number of viewers and drop 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: and income. I think Paul Goldsmith has unfortunately interpreted that 96 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: as meaning that trust levels have reduced. You know, maybe 97 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: some of those complaints support that that viewers are not 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: trusting what they're saying. But I actually think he's got 99 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: it wrong. I think that TVNZ would probably be looking 100 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: at things like the lack of news local news at 101 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: the weekends. I don't know whether you've picked it up. 102 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: We basically see held or holdable stories from the Department 103 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: of Conservation that could have been shot a month ago, 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: or we get stuff that's pulled off the satellite. I 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: think if they want viewers, it's not so much the 106 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: trusting and the removing any perceived or real biases. They 107 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: need to actually deliver what people want to see and hear. 108 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: And I think we need to see our own people 109 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: as well, and there's not enough of that. Remember regional 110 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: news or you're probably too young, Ryan, We had days 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: of regional news where you know, the areas around New Zealand, Auckland, Wellington, 112 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: christ Church in Dunedin. We had our own regional news 113 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: and we would regularly beat in ratings, homes and network news. 114 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: People want to see themselves. They want to see good 115 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: quality news and I don't think the BIA sees really 116 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: come into. 117 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: It, do you know. We learned about that when I 118 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: was studying broadcasting. That's how long ago we learned about it. 119 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: And it would come on before the main news, wouldn't it. 120 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: It would play before the six o'clock. But I thought 121 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: the same thing about uber local news and then all 122 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: of the local newspapers Bridget they're all going out of 123 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: fashion too, So I don't know. I guess they're on Facebook, 124 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: are they? 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: Well? I suppose with the local newser there's a different 126 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: factors there, which is about advertising and the fact that 127 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: you know advertisers. There's so many different places to put 128 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: their advertising dollar now, so they're not going to necessarily 129 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: go for your local newspaper. They're going to go for 130 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: targets advertising on social media where they can really get 131 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: into the people that they actually want to, you know, 132 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: buy their product. I do agree though with Ali, that 133 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: I actually think that there's a little bit of misconception 134 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: that they think that the biases what's driving away or 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: flee uses what's driving away viewers is instead of actually 136 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: what is the sort of stories. I mean, frankly, I 137 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: think I'm probably like and I'm weary of calling Ali old, 138 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: but I think don't watch you know, the six o'clock 139 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 2: US anymore because it's not the agenda setting sort of place. 140 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: By the time I've got to the six o'clock news, 141 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: I've already heard the story before. And so if there 142 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: were often be something different, you know, that regional elements, 143 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: a little bit of you know, what's happening in my 144 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: local neighborhood, I probably actually would be more interested because 145 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: they'd be getting something different. I don't think it two sides. 146 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right at that point about 147 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: it at not being a gender setting more. And I 148 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: see this even actually in some breakfast radio. You know, 149 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: we used to have a story that we would we 150 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: would follow, but we'd find a new angle for it. 151 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: Now there's just this repetition and cookie cutter stuff going on. 152 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think the local angle is definitely the 153 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: way to go. And you could you could actually break 154 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: out and they did break out and run. You would 155 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: have been taught this Ryan when you were learning. They 156 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: would break out and they would run regional advertising, so 157 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: it could still be you know, focused on the regional market. 158 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm available. Actually, if there is a need 159 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: for regional news to be. 160 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Broadcastle, will you bring it to us for free? Ellie, 161 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: We don't have to pay you for that. How do 162 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: we quickly? Because I have to go. But the Primate's story, 163 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: We've took all our audiences across this primates and it 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether your male or female. One can dominate 165 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: the other just as much as the other way around. 166 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Who wears the pants at your house? Elie? 167 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: Definitely me. But I have to say, too many stats here, 168 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: you know, and a command they say sixty percent of 169 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: the time, it works every time. There's just too many 170 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: stats here. I don't follow it, but I wear the pants. 171 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: Somehow, I couldn't see any other way. Bridget, what about. 172 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: You look Definitely in my business with too male business partners, 173 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: you've got to wear the pants or a great skirt 174 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: and just have as much power from that. The thing 175 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: I definitely took from this primate study though, was it 176 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: would be no surprise to females, but in the situations 177 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: where males are bigger, they will have the physical dominance, 178 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: and where they can, they will try and control women's reproduction. 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: That is, you know, just common knowledge that every female 180 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: out there, well, you go good. 181 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: Okay, guys, thank you very much for being with me 182 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: Ellie Jones and Bridget Morton on the Huddle tonight. 183 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 184 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 185 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.