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Speaker 1: The Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 2: The promises we've made are they basically in the lou

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Speaker 2: government rejected every single recommendation by the Climate Commission to

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Speaker 2: strengthen our twenty to fifty targets without spending millions on

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Speaker 2: overseas carbon credits. And remember Nicola Willis says we're not

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Speaker 2: going to do that. Our chances of hitting them are

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Speaker 2: slim to none. Surely, Simon Watt's Climate Change minister with

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Speaker 2: me this morning.

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Speaker 1: Minister, good morning, very good morning. Ryan, is Paris over?

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Speaker 1: Should we just be honest about this?

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Speaker 3: No, it's not Ryan. We're part of the Paris Agreement.

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Speaker 3: I've just come back from Brazil. We're there with one

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Speaker 3: hundred ninety four countries. Really important that we are part

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Speaker 3: of that global conversation and are we're at the table.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and ninety four countries are there and we

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Speaker 3: are as well, and we've got free trade agreements and

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Speaker 3: it's important for our broader export market. So no, we

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Speaker 3: are part of that conversation. But the targets that were

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Speaker 3: set are pretty challenging. We'll be honest about it.

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Speaker 2: So we're not going to hit them.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real, But let's be real. Let's be real.

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Speaker 2: Let's be real, because your own you're even your own scientist,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're methane guy from our University of Canterbury.

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Speaker 2: They're saying, just just be honest about it.

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Speaker 3: Look, the reality is is that they are challenging targets

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Speaker 3: and like any targets in life, we have the intent

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Speaker 3: of hitting them and we will do our best to

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Speaker 3: do so that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: What happens if we don't look.

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Speaker 3: The reality is if we don't have milestone's on a

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Speaker 3: journey we're heading towards twenty fifty. We have targets every

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Speaker 3: five years, and that's an important milestone we go through.

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Speaker 3: But the milestone is not destination.

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Speaker 2: Wins our next one, win's our next next time, twenty.

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Speaker 3: Thirty, twenty thirty, five, twenty forty, and basically every five

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Speaker 3: years there's a milestone as you go through.

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Speaker 1: And twenty thirty we're not going to have a twenty thirty.

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Speaker 3: At the moment. There's a significant gap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, so that's okay, and we will

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Speaker 2: hopefully make up for it later. But it's a hope

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Speaker 2: and prayer, hope and hope and pray strategy, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't actually have a plan.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not. It's it's just reality that you know,

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Speaker 3: we targets are said. The targets sometimes are very challenging

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Speaker 3: and difficult, but it doesn't mean that you don't do

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Speaker 3: everything you can. But weighing that up with the other

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Speaker 3: channel and realities that we've got in New Zealand, we're

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Speaker 3: in an economic depression state in terms of what we

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Speaker 3: came into government. We've had to weigh up and trade

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Speaker 3: off and balance what we do around climate in terms

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Speaker 3: of the impact on agriculture and exports. My job is

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Speaker 3: to work through and get that balance. And you know

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Speaker 3: that's what we have to do, to think about the

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Speaker 3: best interest.

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Speaker 2: In And you know, I get like, I get the argument,

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Speaker 2: but let's just be honest about it, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you know who can see the honesty.

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Speaker 1: There's the carbon market. I mean, it's collapse. Nobody trusts

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Speaker 1: that you're going to do much about the climate. You're

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Speaker 1: not serious.

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Speaker 3: We are serious about the climate. We've got an a

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Speaker 3: missions reduction plan with a climate strategy, and we're doing

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Speaker 3: and we're focusing deliberately on domestic that is different from

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Speaker 3: the strategies previously around a much more broader international play.

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Speaker 3: We've decided that our focus is are going to do

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Speaker 3: everything we can on a domestic setting. And look, that's

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Speaker 3: a positive thing because we are making some good progress

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Speaker 3: in a number of it.

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Speaker 2: When you say everything you can, you're actually doing the opposite,

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Speaker 2: are't you.

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Speaker 3: No, we're not right, and we've got a wig up

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Speaker 3: norm reality that New Zealand's and exportation as well.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: Make decisions that are going to go against and be

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Speaker 3: bad for the agricultural See. I get to make decisions.

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Speaker 1: Economy preaching to the quiet preaching in the choet.

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Speaker 2: But just admit it, say, in order to do this,

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Speaker 2: we're having to forget about the climate.

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Speaker 3: For all, we were within our double within our free

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Speaker 3: trade agreements, we are not able to weaken our position

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Speaker 3: in regards to.

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Speaker 1: Our climate target. We just say it so we can.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying I'm not saying that, but I'm

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Speaker 3: just sitting you know that that's what's in.

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Speaker 1: Our agreement without you're saying it.

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Speaker 3: Without saying it, we are committed to meeting our targets.

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