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Speaker 1: Muryold's Ossie corresponds with us Alo.

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Speaker 2: Mars Uffen and heaven.

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Speaker 1: I mean he sayes Monday, but Wednesday could be Friday.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about Justice Christopher Beale, who was the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court judge in Victoria, who was summing up and directing

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Speaker 2: the jury after thirty seven days thirty seven days of

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Speaker 2: the Aaron Pattison triple murder trial. This is the death

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Speaker 2: cap mushroom mamma as that she's been called in some

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Speaker 2: quarters over here. The jury, according to Justice Bill, is

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Speaker 2: set to go out next week. He's been basically summarizing

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Speaker 2: both sides, the prosecution and the defense. The overriding instruction

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Speaker 2: to the jury, as you might expect, if there's any

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Speaker 2: set suggestion that she's not guilty, they must quit Missus

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Speaker 2: Pattison because you know, three counts of murder. He said,

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Speaker 2: the prosecution has to reach beyond reasonable doubt. That's the threshold.

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Speaker 2: If that's the jury's okay, she's guilty. Now. He's as

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Speaker 2: you know, we've been through this before. He's looking at

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Speaker 2: allegations by the prosecution, the defense, the arguments that's put forward.

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Speaker 2: For example, you know the dehydrator. I've never seen one.

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Speaker 2: I've never bought one. I've never known anyone who's ever

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Speaker 2: used one. But she bought a brand new one, used it,

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Speaker 2: and then threw it away. Why did you do that? What? Well,

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Speaker 2: that's you know, the jury's in there. Here's the fascinating thing.

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Speaker 2: There are fourteen jurors. I didn't realize this until this

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Speaker 2: afternoon doing some prep because I knew I was talking

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Speaker 2: to you on Monday. When the Justice Bill says the

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Speaker 2: jury will go away and retire to consider the verdict,

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Speaker 2: two jurors of the fourteen will be balloted out, and

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Speaker 2: then the other dozen will be sequestered and they can't

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Speaker 2: get out of it until they reach a verdict. It

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Speaker 2: must be left, as I said, to that standard beyond

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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt to convict. Mss Patterson accepts that, yes, the

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Speaker 2: meal did contain those killer mushrooms, the death cap mushrooms,

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Speaker 2: but she said she never ever intended to harm anyone.

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Speaker 2: She loved, her family members who died. And well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: as you say, thirty seven days in counting. But it's

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Speaker 2: such a fascinating, absolutely fascinating case.

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Speaker 1: So what what's up with the two that have been

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Speaker 1: balloted out? Are they like reserves?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean if somebody might get sick. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, anything could happen. There could be a death

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Speaker 2: in the family, pardon the punt. There could be any

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Speaker 2: number of reasons why you'd have to have one or

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Speaker 2: two jurors pull out. And don't forget, thirty seven days

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Speaker 2: is a very very long trial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is.

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Speaker 2: Very Anything could happen in that. In that, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Want to have a couple of No, but you want

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Speaker 1: to have a couple of bench players. Because I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, after how long this has been going on.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if you had to abandon it for some because

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Speaker 1: something went wrong with the you know what, jury. Jury

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Speaker 1: members sometimes get up all kinds of funny things as well, right,

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Speaker 1: so easie, if the whole thing got thrown out because

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Speaker 1: a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of them were up to something, don't don't put the

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Speaker 2: don't put the marker on it, mate, do not do this.

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Speaker 1: What's up with the judge though, Like, what is the

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Speaker 1: judge doing?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I've never studied lawa and Liver

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Speaker 2: did law at university. But I think what I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is such an important case. It's such a long case.

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Speaker 2: There's so much writing on this he does not want

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Speaker 2: to discharge the jury back to their you know, send

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Speaker 2: the jury out and then have any points of law

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Speaker 2: that may be picked up by the defense, saying, well,

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Speaker 2: the judge erd here, I see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's.

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Speaker 2: Has to cross every t dot, every eye. And you know,

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Speaker 2: you don't get to be on the Supreme Court by

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Speaker 2: being a dummy. They are very, very experienced jurists, and

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Speaker 2: you know, the King's Counsel who are now prosecuting and

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Speaker 2: defending that expert on their fields. You've got to have

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Speaker 2: everything absolutely schmick and so I think that's why it's

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Speaker 2: been so darned long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm really hoping that, I'm really hoping

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Speaker 1: that it's nothing. Fingers cross, fingers cross, knock on, knock

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Speaker 1: on wood. We'll get an answer to this one. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's happened with the ABC?

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Speaker 2: Well, the ABC a big time a young woman called

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Speaker 2: Antoinette Luto. She's of Lebanese extraction, Mam and dad. I

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Speaker 2: think mama and dad. Certainly her antecedents come from Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: She's obviously an Australian and she was hired for a

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Speaker 2: one week Christmas shift on ABC Radio and Sydney. Now,

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Speaker 2: she got sacked on the Wednesday after she posted a

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Speaker 2: news story from the Human Rights Organization that said, basically,

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Speaker 2: Israel was using starvation as a weapon of war in

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Speaker 2: the war on Gaza. Right now, that information had already

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Speaker 2: been reported by ABC Radio News, I think television news

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Speaker 2: as well, So you wouldn't think it was all that

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Speaker 2: controversial that she would simply repost an allegation that had

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Speaker 2: already been on the ABC. The judge in the federal

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Speaker 2: court found the ABC management panicked. They went into a

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Speaker 2: total panic and they gave it a flick on the

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Speaker 2: Wednesday afternoon because pro Jewish lobby groups, pro Israel lobbyists

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Speaker 2: in Sydney, we're we're onto the management of the ABC

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Speaker 2: saying how can you let this woman, how can it

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Speaker 2: at this presenter put these anti Israeli views to air.

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Speaker 2: So ABC manager's gone to a tail spend. I've sent

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Speaker 2: out the junior managers who have given her the pump

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Speaker 2: shown at the door. She's gone. Well, she said, hang

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Speaker 2: on a second, No, I'm not going to cop that.

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Speaker 2: She went to the Where did she go here? I'm

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Speaker 2: just looking here in my notes. She went to the

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Speaker 2: relevant judicial authority and said, listen, I've been unfairly dismissed,

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Speaker 2: and the Federal Court has upheld that. Not because a

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Speaker 2: part of her argument was I'm a Middle Eastern distraction

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Speaker 2: and the ABC management sacked me because of that. No,

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Speaker 2: absolutely not, said the Federal court judge. But he did

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Speaker 2: find it was completely unfair of the ABC to sack

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Speaker 2: this woman without giving her a chance to respond to

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Speaker 2: the misconduct allegations. The executives bowed, said the judge. To

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Speaker 2: outside pressures from pro Israel lobbyists. She went to the

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Speaker 2: Human Rights That Human Rights Watch report had already been

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Speaker 2: to aware of the ABC. It wasn't that she was

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Speaker 2: making this stuff up. So, I mean, what a disaster.

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Speaker 2: You've got these junior managers sent out by the big brass. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you've got to get rid of her. It's only a

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Speaker 2: pre Christmas shift, it's a fill in shift. Well now

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Speaker 2: they offered to settle for eighty five k right. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: Now they've been order to pay seventy thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: damages and the possibility of punitive damages on top of that,

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Speaker 2: and the ABC's defenses cost more than one point one

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Speaker 2: million dollars for the ABC to lose Shesh.

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Speaker 1: You can hire like twenty journos for that. That is ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: talk about talk about, talk about stupidity. Hey, thank you

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Speaker 1: for that, Mars appreciated. Murray Old's Australia correspondent. For more

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