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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Zealands? And welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one two four for

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Speaker 2: the fourteenth of May, a Wednesday. And look, we had

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Speaker 2: a deep conversation about debt and got some great calls.

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Speaker 2: We did, and I think I got no closer to

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Speaker 2: fully understanding what was going on. It's a very complicated deal.

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Speaker 2: You can read the exact figures from the Treasury and

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Speaker 2: two people will analyze them in a completely different way exactly.

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Speaker 3: We got Liam in to try and break it down.

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Speaker 3: And even with Liam Dan who is a freaking genius

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Speaker 3: when it comes to these sort of things, complex, very.

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Speaker 2: Very complex, but I think we learned a lot. That

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Speaker 2: was a fantastic chat, then some really emotional stories about

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Speaker 2: people that have lost huge amounts of weight, and then

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Speaker 2: New York Car Tips if you've got promise of cars

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Speaker 2: with Matt the Mechanic, and then a fantastic comedic piece

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Speaker 2: of audio from John Clark. So very good show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so download, subscribe, give us a review if you like,

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Speaker 3: but we'd love a review and we'll see you say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, give a taste givvy all right, jeer the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 4: Talk said the.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show for this Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're doing well with you're listening in the country,

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Speaker 3: Get a Mets.

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Speaker 2: Get a Tyler good a all your great New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for tuning in. I've had a

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Speaker 2: headache for three days now. I've been thinking, Tyler. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and everyone, when you've got a hangover, you can handle

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Speaker 2: a headache because you deserve it, right, Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 2: fine and you know self inflict you know that'll disappear

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Speaker 2: at four o'clock whatever. Yeah, But having a headache that

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Speaker 2: just keeps going when you don't have a hangover, that

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Speaker 2: is punished. Yeah, and it's probably better than a hangover.

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Speaker 2: It's probably not even bad as a hangover, but it's

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Speaker 2: it's more emotionally texting. So look, if I say something

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Speaker 2: stupid today, or I lose my train of thought, or

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Speaker 2: I blow up and flip the desk, it's because I've

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Speaker 2: got a head ache ka.

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Speaker 3: It's incredibly unfair midweek because you know, arguably you've done

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Speaker 3: nothing wrong and you're getting this headache. But when you

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Speaker 3: drink too much alcohol, at least you can be a

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Speaker 3: piece of work on a Sunday. You don't really have

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Speaker 3: to do much if you don't want to, and you

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Speaker 3: know it's self inflicted, but you are in a world

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Speaker 2: So look, thoughts and prayers to me, and look, I

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Speaker 2: look forward to hearing everyone sympathy on nine to two

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Speaker 2: nine two.

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Speaker 3: It'll come through thick and fast, and abuse as well

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Speaker 3: if you want. You know, we don't mind a.

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Speaker 2: Bit of that.

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Speaker 3: Right on to today's show after three thirty, as we

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Speaker 3: always do on a Wednesday, we have our ass the

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Speaker 3: Experts series, and today we've got the Mechanic back with us.

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Speaker 3: He's from Exil Autos and Fakatane thirty eight years experience

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Speaker 3: as a mechanic. He is brilliant and he'll be taking

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Speaker 3: your calls on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty after

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Speaker 3: three thirty, first and first servers, we say, after three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: shoes off for shoes on in their house. Another study

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Speaker 3: out of the UK. They love these studies, but quite

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Speaker 3: interesting about the level of filth in some of the

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Speaker 2: This is a stupid study because the level of filth

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Speaker 2: is on the ground unless you're licking the carpet. Who

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Speaker 2: cares how much filth comes in on the ground, like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be a good shed after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock. Buriatric surgery. Longtime sportscaster and now real

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Speaker 3: estate agent Hamish McKay. He recently shared a post on

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Speaker 3: LinkedIn and he had that very surgery. He was always

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Speaker 2: is that's a huge change you. I mean, god, you've

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Speaker 5: It's impressive, Famish.

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Speaker 3: But we want to hear if you've gone the root

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Speaker 3: of bariatric surgery, did it save your life? As Hamish

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Speaker 5: So that will be a good chat.

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Speaker 3: But right now, leads, have a chat about our levels

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Speaker 3: of debt and how worried you are, No doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Our debt has increased significantly over the recent what three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I can't get my head around what Chrishipkins

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine according to current forecasts. He seems to

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Speaker 2: at the time when all that Morow money was borrowed,

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Speaker 2: government's still borrowing a lot. He seems to think. It's

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Speaker 2: sweet ass. Listen to this.

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't sell your house because you've got a mortgage

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Speaker 6: your public assets and slash government spending when there isn't

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Speaker 2: So he doesn't think that we have a crisis. Owing

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five point five billion, three hundred

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he went on to say, and I'm paraphrasing

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Speaker 3: our net debt falls closer to twenty five percent rather

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Speaker 3: the world actually use. So we're going to put that

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Speaker 2: Most of the countries own their own banks, so they

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Speaker 2: it's we're in a very different position than other countries. Absolutely,

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Speaker 5: So Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 3: Believes that we have room to borrow, that we should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what Nicola Willis said in parliament.

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Speaker 7: New Zealand's net core crown debt, which once hovered between

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Speaker 7: forty two percent last year. That's the highest level of

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Speaker 7: Servicing that debt is expensive, the interest bill on government

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Speaker 7: debt has sought from three point six billion in twenty

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Speaker 7: fourteen to eight point nine billion last year. That's an

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Speaker 7: awful lot of money. It's more than annual core crown

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Speaker 7: is to put net core cround debt on a downward

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Speaker 7: term to keep it below that percentage. Why, Because allowing

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Speaker 7: debt to keep spiraling would threaten the livelihood of every

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Speaker 7: New Zealander. We need the world to keep seeing New

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Speaker 2: Eight point nine billion a year in interest repayments alone.

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Speaker 2: Surely that is not good. Not surely. I mean you

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Speaker 2: to pay the interest. I mean, that's not that that's

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Speaker 2: by some forecasts by twenty twenty nine. Yeah, don't. I

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Speaker 2: where all the money went. And I've been trying to

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Speaker 2: look into that and we don't ask. So we you know,

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Speaker 2: our debt jumped up so significantly over that time, but

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Speaker 2: where is that money? Yeah? Where did it go?

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Speaker 5: It is a great question.

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Speaker 2: We don't have another harbor crossing. No, we don't have

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Speaker 2: any light rail to the airport. No, neither go exactly

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Speaker 2: great question. And you mentioned also a little bit earlier

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Speaker 2: that the Treasury forecast on our debt looks set to

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Speaker 2: for that, to use the mortgage analogy again is that

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Speaker 2: we've just ever seen the interest. We can't actually get

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Speaker 2: chip away too much of the debt because we're paying

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Speaker 2: of fortune and interest. Yeah. And meanwhile, we've all individually

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Speaker 2: got our massive mortgages. Yeah, three hundred billion dollars of

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Speaker 3: So we want to get your thoughts on this one.

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Speaker 3: Are you in the Hipkins camp that you feel there

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Speaker 3: is room to borrow some more money to pay for

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Speaker 3: infrastructure and things we need in this country, or are

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Speaker 3: you more in line with Nichola Willis and the government

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Speaker 3: that we need to get that debt down to have

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Speaker 5: Love to hear from you on O. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: We're also going to catch up next with Liam dan,

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Speaker 3: the Business editor at large at the New Zealand Herald.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a question for Liam, we've got plenty

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Speaker 3: for him. But if you've got a question for him,

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Speaker 3: send it through on nine to nine to two. But

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Speaker 3: Liam Dan with us next. It is quarter past one, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us talks, that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be seventeen past one. How worried to you about our

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Speaker 3: government debt levels?

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Speaker 2: So Christopher Hipkins seems to think it's sweet as let's

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Speaker 2: borrow some more, whereas Nikola Willis thinks that we're swimming

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Speaker 2: in debt and we really really need to do something

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Speaker 2: about it. So how can two public figures have such

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Speaker 2: disparate views when surely if you look at the numbers

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Speaker 2: coming out of the economic and fiscal updates, everyone's getting

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Speaker 2: the same figures.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, a man who is all over this is news

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Speaker 3: clitarial Business editor editor at large, Liam Dan, and he

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Speaker 3: joins us in studio. Liam, Hey, guys, so when let's

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Speaker 3: start with a calculation that Chris Hopkins was using in

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Speaker 3: his pre budget speech. So he included with the debt

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Speaker 3: levels our super New Zealand super Fund, and he said,

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Speaker 3: when you bring that into account, it reduces our debt

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Speaker 3: levels to around twenty five percent. Is that a fair

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Speaker 3: way to calculate it.

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Speaker 8: It's a way to calculate it. I mean, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: What will you look at this situation? Some people, you know,

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Speaker 8: Actually do tell it up every year, and of course

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Speaker 8: Last year it was eight hundred and twenty seven billion

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Speaker 3: Just on the question of austerity, there's a balance, right

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Speaker 3: But getting that debt down in case of, for lack

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you can make the case though that Look,

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Speaker 2: Which then brings in PPPs. Yeah, well, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: You know, we spent all this money.

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Speaker 9: But they're not.

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Speaker 8: They spend a lot of money and look and and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting text just we go. I

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Speaker 8: Interesting one because the super fund returns nine to ten

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all right, thank you so much. Yeah, fantastic guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That is Liam Dan, our business editor at large at

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Speaker 3: The New Zealand Hera. But really keen to get your view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think we're swimming in debt? Or do

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Speaker 3: Yep, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the news speakers the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 10: Is this the coming of age of our super fund

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Speaker 10: making our first withdrawal in twenty twenty eight. Fin It's

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Speaker 4: We've all talked for several years about it.

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Speaker 7: At a certain point, the cost of superannuation will get

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Speaker 11: We're now at that point.

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Speaker 10: Does it solve the problem long term?

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Speaker 7: Well, it helps offset the costs of New Zealand superannuation.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but in what in its golden moments, what percentage

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Speaker 7: It's only going to be about twenty percent of the

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Speaker 9: Jeez.

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Speaker 10: So we haven't extinguished the debate as to whether we

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, and we've asked the question, how worried are

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Chris Hipkins is accusing Niicola willis of scam

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Speaker 2: essentially around debt. But when I look at it, eight

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Speaker 5: Scares the hell out of me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to use Nichola Willison's own words,

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Speaker 3: Because the reason I'm so terrified is because any day

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you we're a uniquely vulnerable country. And look,

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Speaker 2: a position to borrow for emergencies and if we ever

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Speaker 2: burned it now, then what do we do? But it is,

437
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Speaker 2: tell you what, very complicated. And I've got a headache

438
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Speaker 2: today and this is not helping my headache.

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Speaker 3: A few techs here, guys, Matt and Tyler. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Hipkins will think the debt level is okay, as Hipkins,

441
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Speaker 3: Robinson and all. We're responsible for the huge blowout leading

442
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Speaker 3: to the inflation we experience.

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Speaker 2: That's from Glenn This Texas says the COVID cash went

444
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Speaker 2: to businesses and waged sub disease and no one turned

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Speaker 2: them down. Even the wealthy people seemed to think it

446
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Speaker 2: was free. I mean a lot of it did, but

447
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Speaker 2: not all of it. A lot of it just seems

448
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Speaker 2: to have disappeared in a puff of smoke. Yeah, you know,

449
00:21:51,773 --> 00:21:54,613
Speaker 2: it's still in the system and being spent by the

450
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Speaker 2: government at the moment, and budgets and all this kind

451
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Speaker 2: of stuff, and it gets incredibly squirrelly when you look

452
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Speaker 2: into the numbers.

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Speaker 5: Certainly does.

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Speaker 3: But you mentioned a couple of those big infrastructure protects

455
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Speaker 3: and this is just a few that came to mind

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Speaker 3: at the Harbor Bridge and the CRL And there's been

457
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Speaker 3: many many other big infrastructure projects that looked very pretty

458
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Speaker 3: and the plans look fantastic, but we never got anything

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Speaker 3: for our money.

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Speaker 2: Scott says, Hey, guys, So in twenty eighteen it was

461
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Speaker 2: twenty eight point one GDP. In twenty nineteen it jumped

462
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Speaker 2: to thirty one point eight GDP. So this is before

463
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Speaker 2: COVID nineteen. Now we sit at forty seven point two GDP.

464
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Speaker 2: Labor put this country in a hole, and I don't

465
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Speaker 2: think we can get out of it without selling gold, coal,

466
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Speaker 2: oil and gas. We need to drill, baby, drill.

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Speaker 5: Is Scott, keep those teks giving through on nine two

468
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Speaker 5: ninety two. We've got full boards.

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Speaker 3: If you can't get through, keep trying, but we're going

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Speaker 3: to get to some of your phone calls very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 12: US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

474
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Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Young Kiwis, aged eighteen

475
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Speaker 12: to thirty, made up thirty nine percent of citizen departures

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Speaker 12: in the past year. Stat Sanz says we had a

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Speaker 12: net migration gain of only twenty six thousand.

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Speaker 2: That's less than.

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Speaker 12: A third of the year before The Greens are put

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Speaker 12: forward their alternative budget, using a wealth tax and higher

481
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Speaker 12: companies tax and mining royalties to fund things like free GPS,

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Speaker 12: dentistry and preschool education. Labour's also aiming to deliver its

483
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Speaker 12: policy for a tax shake up this year, saying a

484
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Speaker 12: disproportionate tax burdens placed on scenary and way journals. The

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Speaker 12: Taxpayer's Union says to long a city council needs a

486
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Speaker 12: cap on rates, with this year's proposed twelve percent increase

487
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Speaker 12: accumulating over two years to a twenty five percent hike.

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Speaker 2: A small riessay.

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Speaker 12: At titekor north of Topur has left the National Body

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Speaker 12: over its lack of recognition of the Teddy t or

491
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Speaker 12: white tangi our Trump tariff sir, clouding New Zealand's economic outlook.

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Speaker 12: You can find out more at Ensenhill Premium. Now back

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Speaker 12: to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean, borrow more or cut our debts.

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Speaker 3: It's the question we've put to you, and that is

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Speaker 3: the divide between the two major parties in New Zealand,

497
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Speaker 3: National and Labor. Chris Hipkins says we've got room to borrow.

498
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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis says, we're in the stook and we need

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Speaker 3: to cut our debt asap to save up for when

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Speaker 3: the next crisis will hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so are we drowning in debt or is it okay? Dallas,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 13: All right, guys, great discussion. That's a very good discussion.

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Speaker 13: I would ask you, if all debt is bad, why

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Speaker 13: have you got a house mortgage in a caravan?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, I mean you could absolutely say,

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Speaker 2: I mean not all debt is bad, but too much

508
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Speaker 2: debt is bad. So that if I had lived in

509
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Speaker 2: a house that was more expensive than the mortgage payments

510
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Speaker 2: I could pay, then that would be bad.

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Speaker 13: So it's the balance, isn't it Otherwise? So the reason

512
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Speaker 13: you've got a mortgage is because you believe that house

513
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Speaker 13: is an asset which will to bring a return for you.

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Speaker 13: And see, not all that data's bad, it's how you

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Speaker 13: spend it.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, spot on, Dallas.

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Speaker 3: But just to take that analogy to my own personal circumstances,

518
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Speaker 3: we've got our house in christ Church. If we're ever

519
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Speaker 3: to look at you know, potentially buying an Auckland for example,

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Speaker 3: that is debt that would stress the hell out of

521
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Speaker 3: us as a household, and if anything was to happen,

522
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Speaker 3: some sort of crisis or some unexpected expense, then we're

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Speaker 3: bug it. And that's the analogy that I see with

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Speaker 3: the government, that any extra debt that they take on

525
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Speaker 3: and something happens around the corner and we don't know,

526
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Speaker 3: we've got to be prepared. We're in a vulnerable country

527
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Speaker 3: and anything happens that we need to borrow that point

528
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Speaker 3: to try and fix it for structure if it's an earthquake,

529
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Speaker 3: or balance back the economy, if it is a global crisis,

530
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Speaker 3: then will be even further in the stock And that's

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Speaker 3: what scares me.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but we're supposed to have a fun set aside

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Speaker 13: for that earthquake. Heaven't we've got an emergence, We're supposed

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Speaker 13: to have that set aside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there is EQC there, but it doesn't

536
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Speaker 3: you know when you equate that to the Christos youthquake

537
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Speaker 3: that didn't really touch the sites.

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Speaker 2: Hey, now, Dallas, So I guess i'd ask you know

539
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Speaker 2: you're saying, yeah, not all debt's bad, and I think

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Speaker 2: we all accept that, and especially if we've got mortgages,

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Speaker 2: But are you comfortable with eight point nine billion dollars

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Speaker 2: a year in interest payments in New Zealand. That's more

543
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Speaker 2: than we spend on police corrections, the Ministry of Justice

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Speaker 2: and Defense Force combined. And that is just paying the interest.

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Speaker 2: And there's an argument, and what it's not an argument.

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Speaker 2: It's basically a fact. We are borrowing money to spend

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Speaker 2: on the interest of previously borrowed money. And when you

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Speaker 2: get into that situation, you have to ask yourself, is

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Speaker 2: it a good time to be borrowing a whole lot more?

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Speaker 13: Our problem is productivity, isn't it So if you're borrowing,

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Speaker 13: if you're borrowing to go into good roads, which speeds

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Speaker 13: up business, and good hospitals which keeps the population more healthy.

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Speaker 14: Therefore they can work more.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so these things are good for productivity. But it's

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Speaker 13: that balance again. Yeah, you know, we're are a small country,

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Speaker 13: that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for your call, Dallas,

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Speaker 2: appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Gary, welcome to the show. Your thoughts are we

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Speaker 2: swimming in debt and drowning? Or are we pretty much

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Speaker 2: sweet airs as cross up conceis?

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Speaker 15: I don't think we're sweet airs, not by our love shot.

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Speaker 16: No.

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Speaker 15: The problem I have with the borrowing I think it's

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Speaker 15: been like this for a wee while, is that we're

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Speaker 15: not borrowing to build infrastructure that makes the country money.

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Speaker 15: And I just want to sit back in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 15: when Muldoom was out of parliament, we were told the

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Speaker 15: country was in reck and ruined. Jude orders borrowing. He

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Speaker 15: borrowed to build infrastructure that was good for the country.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 15: He built Mars and Point, he built They were building dams,

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Speaker 15: they built the Mottnoy plants, They did all the stuff

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Speaker 15: that created jobs and created wealth. In nineteen eighty four

576
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Speaker 15: when the government Roger Nomics came in, our debt to

577
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Speaker 15: GDP was twenty nine percent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yet that.

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Speaker 15: Was some would argue healthy debt because if you take

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Speaker 15: the analogy of the guy that just spoke, you know,

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Speaker 15: that's healthy debt. That was building productive, constructive infrastructure. Now

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Speaker 15: we borrow money for dream products, for dream infrastructure. You know,

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Speaker 15: we're building roads. Okay, we need good roads, sure, But

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Speaker 15: how much money was wasted on Auckland with the rail

585
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Speaker 15: project or the bridge that neither of whichever happened. How

586
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Speaker 15: much money is getting wasted on cycle lanes and god,

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Speaker 15: I don't know all these pet projects that do absolutely

588
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Speaker 15: nothing for the productivity of this country. That's the issue

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Speaker 15: I have with the debt now is that it's very

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Speaker 15: unproductive debt.

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Speaker 2: What do you think would be the most product active

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Speaker 2: way to to you know, if we're going to borrow

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Speaker 2: for something, because you look back at you know, I

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Speaker 2: think big and what Rob Muldone spent his money on

595
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Speaker 2: the Clyde Dam that seems to have turned out to

596
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Speaker 2: be pretty pretty good. T Y Point and aluminium smelter.

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Speaker 2: That was another one, Mars and Point oil refinery that's

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Speaker 2: that's been shut down now. But I look at New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: I go, I think energy is one of our biggest issues.

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Speaker 2: And if we're going to be productive in the future,

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Speaker 2: and you know, our productivity is terrible. If we don't

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Speaker 2: have a solid energy, you know, a source of cheap energy,

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Speaker 2: and a solid source of energy cheap energy, we're going

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Speaker 2: to be in trouble. So would you support going into

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Speaker 2: further debt to sort out something like that, you know,

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Speaker 2: the energy the grid?

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Speaker 15: One hundred percent. I would support any debt that provides

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Speaker 15: wealth to the country. And sometimes you need to take

609
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Speaker 15: a bit of a gamble and go, Like you were

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Speaker 15: just saying, we used to be relatively energy in dependent

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Speaker 15: and of the rest.

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Speaker 9: Of the world.

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Speaker 15: We're now almost totally dependent on the rest of the world.

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Speaker 15: And so I don't know. I'm not an expert in

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Speaker 15: that field at all, So please, don't you know. I'm

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Speaker 15: just the jumb just the joe average. But if I

617
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Speaker 15: was to run my household that way, the bank would

618
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Speaker 15: have taken my home off me a long time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But the more we have this conversation, the more I

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Speaker 3: think that this is about labor and spending like drunken

622
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Speaker 3: sailors during the COVID years. Is there may be a

623
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Speaker 3: fair argument, eager say, Gary, you for borrowing to spend

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Speaker 3: on essential infrastructure and assets that we're going to get

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Speaker 3: a return on, But their trust of labor at the

626
00:30:44,933 --> 00:30:49,013
Speaker 3: moment is so low because they were so irresponsible in

627
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Speaker 3: those years.

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Speaker 15: Percent agree. I mean, I work in a sector that

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Speaker 15: was at the education and day through money at the

630
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Speaker 15: particular branch of the education that I work in day

631
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Speaker 15: through money away, I couldn't believe the numbers that were

632
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Speaker 15: coming through, and we have absolutely nothing to show for

633
00:31:08,893 --> 00:31:12,693
Speaker 15: it absolutely nothing. And that's the problem I have with it,

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00:31:13,213 --> 00:31:15,653
Speaker 15: you know. I mean when in nineteen eighty four, I'm

635
00:31:15,693 --> 00:31:19,773
Speaker 15: just reading this, well now, nineteen eighty four our total

636
00:31:19,813 --> 00:31:22,853
Speaker 15: debt was nine billion. Now that's our interestory payments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, it's it's terrifying. Thank you

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00:31:25,773 --> 00:31:26,773
Speaker 2: so much for you call Gary.

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Speaker 5: I just can't.

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Speaker 2: Really see how it's okay. And as you say, Tyler,

641
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Speaker 2: we don't know what's going to happen five years from now. Yeah,

642
00:31:37,173 --> 00:31:39,173
Speaker 2: if we don't start doing And one of the things

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Speaker 2: that New Zealand is very, very famous for is being

644
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Speaker 2: fiscally responsible when it comes to debt because we're in

645
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Speaker 2: a very different situation where other countries were susceptible in

646
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Speaker 2: ways that other countries are. So we have to be

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Speaker 2: putting away for a rainy day like other in ways

648
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Speaker 2: that other countries don't have to. Yeah, we're a tiny

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Speaker 2: little nation. We can't. We don't have a big internal economy.

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Speaker 2: We don't have we don't even known our banks hardly exactly.

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Speaker 3: And look the number of crises, big crisis we've had

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Speaker 3: to face in the last thirteen years.

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Speaker 5: The GFC, the Christy.

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Speaker 3: Earthquake, COVID, there and as you say, history would say

655
00:32:13,933 --> 00:32:16,213
Speaker 3: there's another one not far around the corner. Can you

656
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Speaker 3: get your view on this though, Oh eight hundred eighteen

657
00:32:18,213 --> 00:32:19,133
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

658
00:32:19,173 --> 00:32:20,053
Speaker 5: It's sixteen to two.

659
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Speaker 1: Matteath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight hundred

660
00:32:25,253 --> 00:32:28,613
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

661
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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon to you borrow versus paying down our debt.

663
00:32:33,373 --> 00:32:35,013
Speaker 3: That's the question we've put to you in the question

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Speaker 3: that the government is facing at the moment. Well, the

665
00:32:36,853 --> 00:32:39,453
Speaker 3: government has an answer. They say that it is critical

666
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Speaker 3: that we pay down our debt, whereas the opposition, the

667
00:32:42,293 --> 00:32:45,773
Speaker 3: Labor Party, Chris Hipkins in particular, thinks we have room

668
00:32:45,813 --> 00:32:48,333
Speaker 3: to borrow more to pay for the infrastructure that we need.

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Speaker 5: Can to get your views, Oh eight hundred eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: John says, drill, baby, drill, We need to borrow too.

671
00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:57,133
Speaker 2: But put Martson point back on the map that woman

672
00:32:57,213 --> 00:33:00,533
Speaker 2: closed post. That's to Cinda and setting up fossil fuel

673
00:33:00,533 --> 00:33:03,373
Speaker 2: production and New Plymouth. Our carbon emissions are a pimple

674
00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:05,973
Speaker 2: on the NATS as.

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Speaker 5: I love that analogy.

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00:33:08,013 --> 00:33:12,293
Speaker 2: Grover terms it is on then that's on unnatsass yeah

677
00:33:12,893 --> 00:33:14,893
Speaker 2: any not a specific net.

678
00:33:14,813 --> 00:33:18,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the political party and yeah yeah, yeah yeah,

679
00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:20,333
Speaker 3: I really messed up reading that.

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Speaker 2: And look, I've got to say, you know, as we

681
00:33:22,253 --> 00:33:24,093
Speaker 2: go on in this conversation, you know, I've got hundreds

682
00:33:24,133 --> 00:33:25,413
Speaker 2: of papers in front of me. I'm trying to get

683
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:29,933
Speaker 2: my head around the economic and fiscical update and reading

684
00:33:30,173 --> 00:33:33,573
Speaker 2: treasury things and looking around, I got to say, I'm

685
00:33:33,573 --> 00:33:34,053
Speaker 2: out of my debt.

686
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Speaker 3: It's impressive looking at at your research there you two have,

687
00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:39,053
Speaker 3: I mean this whole table and it's a big table.

688
00:33:39,093 --> 00:33:40,173
Speaker 3: It's covered in bits of paper.

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Speaker 2: Josh, Josh, your thoughts on our debt situation?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, hey boys, Yeah, I'm not actually scared of in

691
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:53,493
Speaker 17: I think the Ski mangering needs to actually stop.

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Speaker 5: Yep, what just on there? Just just so we clarify

693
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Speaker 5: what's the scare mungering.

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Speaker 18: The Ski mangering. Oh, we're in so much debt and

695
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:03,653
Speaker 18: it's so terrible.

696
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Speaker 17: I mean, it's the twenty twenty nine. Man, I've bring

697
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Speaker 17: an HPS longer than that.

698
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Speaker 18: It's just that's just getting ridiculous because you know that

699
00:34:14,013 --> 00:34:15,973
Speaker 18: we were sold in them and we were told we're

700
00:34:16,013 --> 00:34:19,732
Speaker 18: in so much dead it's bring an awful blah blah blah.

701
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Speaker 18: The average person wouldn't know how to compare our GDP

702
00:34:23,573 --> 00:34:27,453
Speaker 18: to debt ratio to any other country, So it's easy

703
00:34:27,493 --> 00:34:30,613
Speaker 18: for people to say, oh, yeah, things are bad, we're

704
00:34:30,653 --> 00:34:33,733
Speaker 18: in a bad situation. We're not in a bad situation,

705
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Speaker 18: especially in terms of infrastructure. You know, like if we

706
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Speaker 18: were smart, we would be fueling the economy by stimulating

707
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Speaker 18: construction and infrastructure. I don't know what they're waiting for.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the interesting thing with that is do

709
00:34:51,013 --> 00:34:53,172
Speaker 2: you back the government to be able to spend the money,

710
00:34:53,253 --> 00:34:56,172
Speaker 2: well if they borrow it and then and invest in infrastructure,

711
00:34:56,293 --> 00:35:00,773
Speaker 2: because evidence isn't great of them getting increasing productivity with

712
00:35:00,813 --> 00:35:04,652
Speaker 2: their expenditure. In fact, everything is blown out horrifically.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's a difficult one.

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Speaker 17: I mean, hey, look, the alternative is to take the PPP,

715
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Speaker 17: like you're saying before, and I don't know, I mean

716
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Speaker 17: estimate that's going to be twenty five percent more expensive side,

717
00:35:19,413 --> 00:35:19,973
Speaker 17: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: When you get those numbers, Josh, do you get where

719
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Speaker 2: do you get your twenty five percent more expensive for

720
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Speaker 2: the PPP? I mean, the PPP is essentially a higher

721
00:35:29,213 --> 00:35:33,853
Speaker 2: purchase agreement, but The idea would be that the you

722
00:35:33,893 --> 00:35:35,733
Speaker 2: know that the investors that come in are going to

723
00:35:35,813 --> 00:35:38,732
Speaker 2: drill in because it's hugely important for them to make

724
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Speaker 2: a profit because it's actually their money, and they'll go

725
00:35:40,533 --> 00:35:43,333
Speaker 2: at a business, whereas when governments do it, they seem

726
00:35:43,413 --> 00:35:44,893
Speaker 2: to be able to just go back and go back,

727
00:35:44,933 --> 00:35:47,573
Speaker 2: and then they're out out of government and then they disappear.

728
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Maddie, what we need is how do we look

729
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:54,373
Speaker 17: at what we've done in the past and actually see

730
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Speaker 17: the mass of how it really did work out, Because

731
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Speaker 17: you know, there's.

732
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Speaker 18: A lot of.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, Mischow's been banted about about how much things actually

734
00:36:04,853 --> 00:36:08,253
Speaker 17: cost them when they come through, They costing three times,

735
00:36:08,613 --> 00:36:12,573
Speaker 17: all that kind of carry on. So, you know, but we've.

736
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Speaker 18: Got to think about stuff like we.

737
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Speaker 17: As taxpayers are supplementing accommodation supplements for people's rent at

738
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Speaker 17: two billion dollars a year. Meanwhile, home ownership is going

739
00:36:25,013 --> 00:36:28,253
Speaker 17: backwards and wages seem to be in a decline.

740
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Speaker 18: So when they're.

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Speaker 17: Talking about spending one hundred and forty million on school attendance,

742
00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:39,933
Speaker 17: you've got to think, well, sis, man, if that kid

743
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Speaker 17: doesn't have a permanent living situation, And as parents don't

744
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Speaker 17: have permanent work, then how on earth are they supposed

745
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Speaker 17: to get out of the household debt.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for you cool josh.

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Speaker 2: I guess you'd say that spending that money on attendance

748
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Speaker 2: is that we believe in educated society will be a

749
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Speaker 2: more productive society and people that go through school are

750
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Speaker 2: less likely to be a burden on the taxpayer later

751
00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:05,213
Speaker 2: on in life.

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Speaker 9: Exact.

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Speaker 2: So you would argue that that in a way is

754
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Speaker 2: on little infrastructure investment and a productivity investment.

755
00:37:12,733 --> 00:37:13,653
Speaker 5: And the government would.

756
00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:15,533
Speaker 3: Argue that although things that they are investing in and

757
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:18,293
Speaker 3: spending money on, they would argue is to get us

758
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:22,373
Speaker 3: back into a position where people do have well paying jobs,

759
00:37:22,413 --> 00:37:24,973
Speaker 3: where we are a productive economy, where it is good

760
00:37:25,013 --> 00:37:26,653
Speaker 3: for all of us. That is their argument, and I

761
00:37:26,653 --> 00:37:28,053
Speaker 3: think we can all get behind there.

762
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Speaker 2: And before ever makes that a sort of too much

763
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Speaker 2: of a labor national thing that seems to be coming

764
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Speaker 2: through here. National is still borrowing in insane amount of money. Yeah,

765
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Speaker 2: they are still borrowing insane amount of money. Hipkins is

766
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Speaker 2: just saying that they should borrow more. But it's not

767
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:46,293
Speaker 2: like National have massively tightened the bout strap. We are

768
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Speaker 2: still borrowing in crazy amount of money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very true. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 5: the number to call. It is eight to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons news DOGSB.

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Speaker 3: News DOGSB. We're going to carry this on after two o'clock.

775
00:38:05,093 --> 00:38:08,013
Speaker 3: Having a great discussion about taking on more debt, as

776
00:38:08,093 --> 00:38:11,053
Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins says we can do. He reckons there is

777
00:38:11,413 --> 00:38:14,453
Speaker 3: room to take on more debt to pay for infrastructure

778
00:38:14,573 --> 00:38:17,252
Speaker 3: or to cut that debt down, as Nikola Willis.

779
00:38:16,933 --> 00:38:18,373
Speaker 5: Thinks is critical for us to do.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are we

781
00:38:21,293 --> 00:38:23,573
Speaker 2: swimming in debt and need to do something about it?

782
00:38:23,693 --> 00:38:26,933
Speaker 2: Or is this just scare mugnery As Chris Hipkins is saying,

783
00:38:27,293 --> 00:38:29,493
Speaker 2: the stick says, guys, carry this topic on next hour,

784
00:38:29,813 --> 00:38:32,613
Speaker 2: not how often you wash your pants or shirts. I

785
00:38:32,653 --> 00:38:33,413
Speaker 2: think that's a good idea.

786
00:38:33,813 --> 00:38:36,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we've taken that on board and we'll accept

787
00:38:36,133 --> 00:38:37,533
Speaker 5: it at the stage. So thank you very much.

788
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Speaker 2: So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll try and

789
00:38:39,293 --> 00:38:41,893
Speaker 2: get to your calls after the news for people not

790
00:38:41,933 --> 00:38:44,613
Speaker 2: worried about the debt then just put their share of

791
00:38:44,653 --> 00:38:47,453
Speaker 2: the ninety three k per household onto their mortgages. Day.

792
00:38:47,933 --> 00:38:51,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good points. And this one from another Dave.

793
00:38:52,133 --> 00:38:54,173
Speaker 2: National has to borrow more than labor. They had a

794
00:38:54,173 --> 00:38:57,453
Speaker 2: bonfire with their one hundred billion dollars of debt. A

795
00:38:57,453 --> 00:39:01,133
Speaker 2: lot of Daves texting in on the government debt.

796
00:39:01,293 --> 00:39:03,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just quickly before we get to the news,

797
00:39:03,093 --> 00:39:05,893
Speaker 3: when Josh said a bit of scaremongering are going about,

798
00:39:05,933 --> 00:39:08,493
Speaker 3: I just can't agree with that. After being down in

799
00:39:08,573 --> 00:39:11,053
Speaker 3: christ Church not long after the GFC in two thousand

800
00:39:11,133 --> 00:39:12,973
Speaker 3: and eight and then the christ Church earthquake kit in

801
00:39:13,013 --> 00:39:15,853
Speaker 3: twenty ten that we were that was a very serious

802
00:39:15,893 --> 00:39:17,933
Speaker 3: situation for the government and it was lucky with Bill

803
00:39:17,933 --> 00:39:21,373
Speaker 3: English and John Keith the government, they managed to be

804
00:39:21,653 --> 00:39:24,533
Speaker 3: very fiscally responsible to get us through that. But that

805
00:39:24,773 --> 00:39:26,493
Speaker 3: is what we're talking well, that is what I'm talking

806
00:39:26,493 --> 00:39:29,173
Speaker 3: about here, those crises that could be around the corner.

807
00:39:29,173 --> 00:39:31,373
Speaker 3: We just don't know that we've got to be prepared for.

808
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:34,053
Speaker 3: Or do you think I am being a little bit.

809
00:39:34,013 --> 00:39:35,413
Speaker 5: Chicken little here. I'd love to hear from you on

810
00:39:35,413 --> 00:39:36,773
Speaker 5: I E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

811
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Speaker 2: The country is on its knees and Nikola is still borrowing.

812
00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:42,373
Speaker 9: There we go.

813
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Speaker 3: This is this Texter new Sport and weather on its way.

814
00:39:45,653 --> 00:39:47,973
Speaker 3: It is really great to have your company. We will

815
00:39:47,973 --> 00:39:49,853
Speaker 3: see you on the other side. You're listening to Matt

816
00:39:49,853 --> 00:39:51,373
Speaker 3: and Tyler. Very good afternoon to.

817
00:39:51,373 --> 00:40:00,333
Speaker 4: You talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 5: It'd be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into

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Speaker 5: the show.

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Speaker 3: I've been having a g great discussion about the level

822
00:40:10,213 --> 00:40:12,173
Speaker 3: of debt we have in this country.

823
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Speaker 5: This is crownd debt of.

824
00:40:13,053 --> 00:40:17,533
Speaker 2: Course, yeah, and there's two wide apart schools have thought

825
00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:19,613
Speaker 2: on this. You've got Chris Hoipkins who thinks that our

826
00:40:19,693 --> 00:40:20,933
Speaker 2: levels of debt are sweet ass.

827
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Speaker 6: You wouldn't sell your house because you've got a mortgage

828
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Speaker 6: that you can easily pay, So why would you sell

829
00:40:26,813 --> 00:40:30,973
Speaker 6: your public assets and slash government spending when there isn't

830
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Speaker 6: a crisis.

831
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Speaker 2: So he says, there's no debt crisis in New Zealand,

832
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Speaker 2: so we shouldn't slash government spending. Whereas Nikola Willis said

833
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Speaker 2: this the other day.

834
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Speaker 7: New Zealand's Net core crown debt, which once hovered between

835
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Speaker 7: five and twenty five percent of GDP, rose to about

836
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Speaker 7: forty two percent last year. That's the highest level of

837
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Speaker 7: government debt New Zealand has shouldered since the mid nineties.

838
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Speaker 7: Servicing that debt is expensive. The interest bill on government

839
00:41:03,493 --> 00:41:06,853
Speaker 7: debt has sought from three point six billion and twenty

840
00:41:06,933 --> 00:41:11,172
Speaker 7: fourteen to eight went nine billion last year. That's an

841
00:41:11,173 --> 00:41:15,573
Speaker 7: awful lot of money. It's more than annual core crown

842
00:41:15,693 --> 00:41:21,732
Speaker 7: expenses for the police corrections, the Ministry of Justice, Customs

843
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:25,973
Speaker 7: and the Defense Force combined. And so our government's goal

844
00:41:26,413 --> 00:41:29,053
Speaker 7: is to put net core crown debt on a downward

845
00:41:29,173 --> 00:41:33,493
Speaker 7: trajectory towards forty percent of GDP, and in the longer term,

846
00:41:33,853 --> 00:41:38,613
Speaker 7: to keep it below that percentage. Why because allowing debt

847
00:41:38,773 --> 00:41:43,293
Speaker 7: to keep spiraling would threaten the livelihood of every New Zealander.

848
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Speaker 7: We need the world to keep seeing New Zealand as

849
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Speaker 7: a good country to invest.

850
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Speaker 4: In and lend to.

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Speaker 2: Well, the big question there is why would she present

852
00:41:53,413 --> 00:41:55,053
Speaker 2: that speech in front of someone? Vacuum them.

853
00:41:56,453 --> 00:41:57,973
Speaker 5: Got to keep that got to keep the whole of

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Speaker 5: Parliament clean.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's like when my mum used to

856
00:42:02,293 --> 00:42:05,453
Speaker 2: back complain and I was trying to watch TV. Yeah,

857
00:42:05,493 --> 00:42:07,813
Speaker 2: and I could barely bother lifting my feed up. WI

858
00:42:07,893 --> 00:42:08,853
Speaker 2: your vacuum cleaned on me.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, that's seven o'clock in the morning after a big night.

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Speaker 2: That's a by the by. So, you know, looking at

861
00:42:15,133 --> 00:42:18,333
Speaker 2: the half year economic and Fiscal update from twenty twenty

862
00:42:18,373 --> 00:42:22,333
Speaker 2: four tenth of December, so one hundred and seventy five

863
00:42:22,413 --> 00:42:26,853
Speaker 2: point five billion dollars government debt, one hundred and ninety

864
00:42:26,933 --> 00:42:29,053
Speaker 2: two point eight forecast and twenty twenty five, and that

865
00:42:29,093 --> 00:42:31,933
Speaker 2: goes all the way up to two hundred and thirty

866
00:42:32,013 --> 00:42:36,893
Speaker 2: four point one billion dollars by twenty twenty nine, and

867
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine is coming rapidly. And that doesn't include

868
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:46,253
Speaker 2: the half trillion dollars of a personal debt that we

869
00:42:46,293 --> 00:42:48,973
Speaker 2: have in our country, which is quite different from other nations.

870
00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:53,173
Speaker 2: How our debt debt runs because we all have crazy

871
00:42:53,213 --> 00:42:57,692
Speaker 2: mortgages and that money comes from overseas banks primarily. Yeah,

872
00:42:57,733 --> 00:43:00,413
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I find the whole thing pretty

873
00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:02,933
Speaker 2: pretty terrifying. I find the fact that we're paying eight

874
00:43:02,933 --> 00:43:06,053
Speaker 2: point nine billion dollars a year just in interest repayments

875
00:43:06,333 --> 00:43:09,053
Speaker 2: before we even hit the principle to be a bit

876
00:43:09,093 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 2: of an issue. As you know, Nicholas said, police corrections,

877
00:43:12,813 --> 00:43:16,093
Speaker 2: the mystery of justice and the defense force combined is

878
00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:23,013
Speaker 2: less than our repayments on interest alone. But you know

879
00:43:23,133 --> 00:43:25,133
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the text machine are actually

880
00:43:25,133 --> 00:43:28,853
Speaker 2: saying that that's all fuzzy maths and Hipkins is right,

881
00:43:29,133 --> 00:43:30,973
Speaker 2: and we can splash it around.

882
00:43:31,093 --> 00:43:32,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, borrow up, baby O.

883
00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:34,053
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

884
00:43:34,053 --> 00:43:36,373
Speaker 3: call Ken to get your thoughts on this mark.

885
00:43:37,093 --> 00:43:40,853
Speaker 19: Where do you say, Yeah, we could probably do with

886
00:43:40,933 --> 00:43:43,413
Speaker 19: quite a You could probably do quite a few things

887
00:43:43,453 --> 00:43:46,933
Speaker 19: with an extra nine billion dollars a year in spending. Look,

888
00:43:46,973 --> 00:43:49,213
Speaker 19: I agree with Nichola Willis on the fact that we

889
00:43:49,373 --> 00:43:51,692
Speaker 19: need to get it under control. But I mean you've

890
00:43:51,733 --> 00:43:54,253
Speaker 19: also got to look at the fact that they've decided

891
00:43:54,293 --> 00:43:56,853
Speaker 19: to increase defense spending by an extra three or four

892
00:43:56,893 --> 00:43:59,973
Speaker 19: billion dollars every year for the next three or four

893
00:44:00,093 --> 00:44:03,053
Speaker 19: years national So they're going to be borrowing there just

894
00:44:03,093 --> 00:44:05,733
Speaker 19: to get some new planes and some missiles to defend

895
00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:09,933
Speaker 19: us against our biggest trading partner. It's just ridiculous. I mean,

896
00:44:10,213 --> 00:44:13,333
Speaker 19: they're just spending stuff that we haven't got on different

897
00:44:13,373 --> 00:44:14,213
Speaker 19: stuff to labor.

898
00:44:14,253 --> 00:44:16,733
Speaker 2: To be honest, Well, the military does other things and

899
00:44:16,813 --> 00:44:18,533
Speaker 2: just defense, doesn't it. Of course, a lot of that

900
00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:24,172
Speaker 2: spending is around the country being prone with natural disasters,

901
00:44:24,613 --> 00:44:26,373
Speaker 2: being this little country who are sitting in the middle

902
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:28,733
Speaker 2: of the Pacific. So there is more to it than that.

903
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:30,893
Speaker 2: But do you do you not think that there is?

904
00:44:31,733 --> 00:44:33,493
Speaker 2: Do you think that where we're sitting now with our

905
00:44:33,573 --> 00:44:36,253
Speaker 2: defense that that's okay, You're happy with that, You're you're

906
00:44:36,293 --> 00:44:40,453
Speaker 2: happy with where our armed forces.

907
00:44:39,653 --> 00:44:43,013
Speaker 19: Well, they're basically going to take government spending from one

908
00:44:43,053 --> 00:44:45,812
Speaker 19: and every thirty dollars to one in every fifteen, which

909
00:44:45,853 --> 00:44:48,933
Speaker 19: I think is quite a large amount of money to

910
00:44:48,973 --> 00:44:52,893
Speaker 19: spend on a handful of people. I mean, and we're

911
00:44:52,933 --> 00:44:55,772
Speaker 19: not going to defend ourselves against China. It doesn't matter

912
00:44:55,813 --> 00:44:58,613
Speaker 19: whether we spend one or two percent of our GDP.

913
00:44:59,253 --> 00:45:02,373
Speaker 19: It's not going to make It might change the time

914
00:45:02,453 --> 00:45:06,013
Speaker 19: the war happens from five minutes to ten minutes. Apart

915
00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:11,813
Speaker 19: from that, you know, whether we have another frigate, it's

916
00:45:11,813 --> 00:45:13,613
Speaker 19: not really going to make a difference, is it.

917
00:45:13,853 --> 00:45:16,453
Speaker 2: Well again, I mean, the argument, the argument that the

918
00:45:16,733 --> 00:45:19,893
Speaker 2: government puts though, is that we are doing our bit

919
00:45:20,373 --> 00:45:24,053
Speaker 2: within our alliances and so, and we actually really have one,

920
00:45:24,093 --> 00:45:28,252
Speaker 2: don't we end us? But like we are being a contributor,

921
00:45:28,653 --> 00:45:32,133
Speaker 2: and then if we contribute enough, then our big friends

922
00:45:32,173 --> 00:45:36,173
Speaker 2: will come to our rescue. And then attacking us means

923
00:45:36,173 --> 00:45:39,933
Speaker 2: that you are attacking more than just us, because we're

924
00:45:39,973 --> 00:45:41,733
Speaker 2: part of a bigger thing that we're contributing to.

925
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Speaker 19: They haven't framed it like that. They've framed it is

926
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Speaker 19: basically it's some sort of investment or something. And he

927
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:51,293
Speaker 19: was trying to make out that we're sort of it's

928
00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 19: an investment or productivity, but it's just a waste of

929
00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:56,093
Speaker 19: money down the tube. I mean, if you were going

930
00:45:56,133 --> 00:45:59,293
Speaker 19: to spend it in productivity gains or something that was

931
00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:01,173
Speaker 19: going to make some money, I could understand it. But

932
00:46:01,253 --> 00:46:03,653
Speaker 19: when you're in and when people have got a cost

933
00:46:03,693 --> 00:46:06,093
Speaker 19: of living crisis, it's like me being in a cost

934
00:46:06,133 --> 00:46:08,692
Speaker 19: of living crisis and going out and buying some new

935
00:46:08,693 --> 00:46:10,693
Speaker 19: gold chains or something. They're not really going to do

936
00:46:10,733 --> 00:46:12,732
Speaker 19: a lot of that time, but're just going to add

937
00:46:12,733 --> 00:46:14,373
Speaker 19: to the add to the bill at the end of

938
00:46:14,413 --> 00:46:17,853
Speaker 19: the day. And and and it's not and to be honest,

939
00:46:17,933 --> 00:46:21,173
Speaker 19: it's not just national that are saying that defense spending

940
00:46:21,293 --> 00:46:24,133
Speaker 19: is Okay, it's also the other side. I think Chris

941
00:46:24,613 --> 00:46:28,013
Speaker 19: Sipkins agreed with it. You know, I can't understand from

942
00:46:28,053 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 19: a from a personal I guess they are my personal values.

943
00:46:31,253 --> 00:46:33,253
Speaker 19: I just don't. I just said it as a complete

944
00:46:33,253 --> 00:46:34,013
Speaker 19: waste of money.

945
00:46:34,293 --> 00:46:34,973
Speaker 2: Oh thank you for you.

946
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:37,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

947
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:39,333
Speaker 3: I've had that argument for But I've got to say,

948
00:46:39,373 --> 00:46:42,973
Speaker 3: from a from my own personal viewpoint, I can see

949
00:46:43,013 --> 00:46:46,213
Speaker 3: why that investment is critical, as you say it is.

950
00:46:46,293 --> 00:46:50,693
Speaker 3: It is solely about those strategic partnerships internationally that the

951
00:46:50,693 --> 00:46:54,053
Speaker 3: world is in a precarious place, and without that investment

952
00:46:54,053 --> 00:46:57,652
Speaker 3: in our military, that puts our relationships with partners who

953
00:46:57,653 --> 00:47:01,613
Speaker 3: we have relied upon for many, many decades potentially at risk.

954
00:47:01,653 --> 00:47:02,773
Speaker 5: So that is a big part of it.

955
00:47:03,133 --> 00:47:05,053
Speaker 2: And hopefully some of that money goes to you know,

956
00:47:05,093 --> 00:47:07,053
Speaker 2: I mean some of that money does go back into

957
00:47:07,173 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 2: to the New Zealand economy. Ibviously, the defense force operating

958
00:47:11,093 --> 00:47:13,813
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. With more money, more money will be

959
00:47:13,853 --> 00:47:16,413
Speaker 2: spent with the New Zealand. You've also got CISO space

960
00:47:16,453 --> 00:47:19,493
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, down in Totonger. You know, hopefully they

961
00:47:19,493 --> 00:47:21,173
Speaker 2: buy a lot of drones off those good news that

962
00:47:21,213 --> 00:47:24,053
Speaker 2: those great New Zealanders down there, But yeah, I mean

963
00:47:24,053 --> 00:47:27,292
Speaker 2: it does come to you know when you go. So look,

964
00:47:27,453 --> 00:47:31,133
Speaker 2: if you agree that we need to cut back on spending,

965
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:34,053
Speaker 2: you know Cross Hopkins doesn't he thinks that we should

966
00:47:34,293 --> 00:47:36,493
Speaker 2: borrow more and spend more. But if you agree that

967
00:47:36,493 --> 00:47:39,973
Speaker 2: we should cut back, then what are you cut back on? Yeah,

968
00:47:40,013 --> 00:47:42,613
Speaker 2: because you know if your mark, you say we should

969
00:47:42,653 --> 00:47:43,413
Speaker 2: cut back on defense.

970
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:43,973
Speaker 9: Yeah.

971
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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty teen eighty love to hear

972
00:47:45,693 --> 00:47:49,493
Speaker 3: your thoughts on that one. It is fourteen past two

973
00:47:50,173 --> 00:47:51,732
Speaker 3: and if you want to text you more than welcome.

974
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Speaker 3: Nine to ninety two is the text number. We'll get

975
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Speaker 3: to some of those texts very shortly. You're listening to

976
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Speaker 3: Matt and Tilt.

977
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Speaker 20: Very good afternoon to you, your home of afternoon Talk,

978
00:48:02,173 --> 00:48:06,212
Speaker 20: Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten

979
00:48:06,293 --> 00:48:07,692
Speaker 20: eighty News Talk said, be.

980
00:48:08,933 --> 00:48:11,533
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, and we're talking about our

981
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Speaker 3: debt as a country, the government debt Nichola Willis's firm

982
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Speaker 3: that we need to reduce that debt over the next

983
00:48:18,173 --> 00:48:21,053
Speaker 3: four years ahead of the budget that will be announced

984
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Speaker 3: next week. But Chris Hipkins thinks we've got plenty of

985
00:48:24,053 --> 00:48:26,212
Speaker 3: room to take on more debt for infrastructure we need

986
00:48:26,213 --> 00:48:26,773
Speaker 3: in this country.

987
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:28,652
Speaker 5: Where do you sit where?

988
00:48:29,053 --> 00:48:30,773
Speaker 2: It's finally a text that I can agree with. The

989
00:48:30,773 --> 00:48:33,293
Speaker 2: six says, if zb was Gotham City, Tyler would be

990
00:48:33,373 --> 00:48:34,733
Speaker 2: Robin and Matt would be the penguin.

991
00:48:35,893 --> 00:48:36,973
Speaker 5: I do look good in tights.

992
00:48:38,133 --> 00:48:39,253
Speaker 2: I would be Bruce Wayne.

993
00:48:39,773 --> 00:48:40,693
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd be Batman.

994
00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:43,533
Speaker 2: I'll be Bruce Wayne, not Batman. I don't know hanging out.

995
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,133
Speaker 2: I don't get to choose toa that's just what someone's

996
00:48:45,133 --> 00:48:45,693
Speaker 2: accusing me of.

997
00:48:45,893 --> 00:48:48,413
Speaker 5: You look good as a penguin. Yeah, oh, one hundred

998
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:51,093
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call guys.

999
00:48:51,133 --> 00:48:53,293
Speaker 2: Crown debt. The interest being paid is dead money. We

1000
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:56,013
Speaker 2: get nothing that contributes to our country's wealth by paying interest.

1001
00:48:56,133 --> 00:48:58,973
Speaker 2: Just because Labour says we can on current figures afford

1002
00:48:59,013 --> 00:49:01,652
Speaker 2: to borrow more certainly doesn't mean we should. If we

1003
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Speaker 2: go through another financial crisis, we would be seriously in

1004
00:49:04,493 --> 00:49:07,573
Speaker 2: the crap. Labor has a traditional borrowing and spending. Never

1005
00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:10,133
Speaker 2: do they say and pay back debt. We as a

1006
00:49:10,173 --> 00:49:12,933
Speaker 2: country and has a population live way beyond our means.

1007
00:49:12,933 --> 00:49:16,212
Speaker 2: Paying interest is literally dead money. That's from Roger. You've

1008
00:49:16,173 --> 00:49:17,013
Speaker 2: got to say, though.

1009
00:49:17,653 --> 00:49:18,013
Speaker 9: You know.

1010
00:49:19,773 --> 00:49:22,853
Speaker 2: There's been successive governments that have been borrowing money. Yeah,

1011
00:49:22,893 --> 00:49:26,813
Speaker 2: but you know, I guess after the global financial crisis

1012
00:49:27,253 --> 00:49:29,333
Speaker 2: some money was borrowed to try and get us going again,

1013
00:49:29,413 --> 00:49:32,773
Speaker 2: and then got the earthquake coming in and then we

1014
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:35,453
Speaker 2: had COVID. So I mean, the problem that you keep

1015
00:49:35,493 --> 00:49:40,053
Speaker 2: pointing out, Tyler at nauseum, at nauseum, I'm worried about

1016
00:49:40,093 --> 00:49:44,253
Speaker 2: it is that we have to have some room for

1017
00:49:44,333 --> 00:49:46,373
Speaker 2: when the disasters hit, and they seem to come about

1018
00:49:46,373 --> 00:49:49,893
Speaker 2: every ten years exactly. And we're five years from covide,

1019
00:49:50,213 --> 00:49:52,093
Speaker 2: so we better start saving for the next one.

1020
00:49:52,133 --> 00:49:53,613
Speaker 5: We've got another five years, givel take.

1021
00:49:53,933 --> 00:49:55,693
Speaker 2: But Graham, do you agree.

1022
00:49:57,813 --> 00:50:02,373
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, Chris, Chris makes a classic bait and switch argument.

1023
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:05,853
Speaker 14: So what he fails to distinguish between his good debt

1024
00:50:05,853 --> 00:50:08,893
Speaker 14: and bad debt. So he's using the sample of a

1025
00:50:10,013 --> 00:50:13,252
Speaker 14: house and paying off the mortgage and not paying mortgage off.

1026
00:50:13,253 --> 00:50:15,853
Speaker 14: But the trouble is that what labour typically do when

1027
00:50:15,853 --> 00:50:17,773
Speaker 14: they're in government to spend the money on an overseas

1028
00:50:17,773 --> 00:50:20,853
Speaker 14: holiday and a new car, not a productive asset like

1029
00:50:20,893 --> 00:50:26,213
Speaker 14: a house. And that's the difference. But you know, also

1030
00:50:26,693 --> 00:50:29,693
Speaker 14: when people talk about tax they typically say, well, we

1031
00:50:29,733 --> 00:50:31,732
Speaker 14: need to tax and spend more because we need more

1032
00:50:31,733 --> 00:50:34,533
Speaker 14: money for education than health and the police and all

1033
00:50:34,613 --> 00:50:36,652
Speaker 14: that sort of stuff and assets and things. And I

1034
00:50:36,693 --> 00:50:39,893
Speaker 14: get that, but there's the second reason why people collect tax,

1035
00:50:39,933 --> 00:50:43,373
Speaker 14: and that's to redistribute wealth. And typically what labor does

1036
00:50:43,373 --> 00:50:45,373
Speaker 14: when they're in power is the second option rather than

1037
00:50:45,373 --> 00:50:48,252
Speaker 14: the first. So for example, you know, they gave away

1038
00:50:48,293 --> 00:50:51,213
Speaker 14: helicopter payments to dead people when they're in power, despite

1039
00:50:51,213 --> 00:50:53,333
Speaker 14: Treasury telling them not to do that as a cost

1040
00:50:53,373 --> 00:50:55,772
Speaker 14: of living payment. We spent three hundred and fifty million

1041
00:50:55,813 --> 00:50:58,973
Speaker 14: dollars on a failed merger between Radio and New Zealand

1042
00:50:59,013 --> 00:51:00,853
Speaker 14: and TV and Z. There was fifty million bucks on

1043
00:51:00,893 --> 00:51:03,692
Speaker 14: a cycle bridge that never got built, et cetera, et cetera,

1044
00:51:03,733 --> 00:51:07,652
Speaker 14: et cetera. Chris's mate, Grant Robertson got into bed with

1045
00:51:07,733 --> 00:51:10,613
Speaker 14: some Adrian norm decided that we hadn't printed enough cash.

1046
00:51:10,653 --> 00:51:14,013
Speaker 14: So the Reserve Bank waded into the bond market, the

1047
00:51:14,053 --> 00:51:16,812
Speaker 14: government bond market, not predicting that interest rates would rise,

1048
00:51:17,333 --> 00:51:20,053
Speaker 14: and we copped an eleven billion dollar loss on those bonds,

1049
00:51:20,053 --> 00:51:21,933
Speaker 14: which the government is now carrying on its books and

1050
00:51:21,973 --> 00:51:24,292
Speaker 14: costs US about two hundred and fifty million dollars a month.

1051
00:51:24,653 --> 00:51:26,813
Speaker 14: You know, how many hospitals could you build and dined?

1052
00:51:26,853 --> 00:51:29,253
Speaker 14: And for that, how many nurse pay rises for nurses

1053
00:51:29,253 --> 00:51:33,413
Speaker 14: could you give? You know, the other example, or the

1054
00:51:33,453 --> 00:51:36,093
Speaker 14: other excuse they use is oh, well, you know you

1055
00:51:36,133 --> 00:51:40,693
Speaker 14: look at the percentage of debt to GDP and countries overseas.

1056
00:51:40,693 --> 00:51:43,573
Speaker 14: But going back to Chris's house. Example, you're living next

1057
00:51:43,613 --> 00:51:45,813
Speaker 14: door to Steven Adams and he decides to build a

1058
00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:49,173
Speaker 14: swimming pool in his backyard. So he's playing basketball and

1059
00:51:49,213 --> 00:51:51,133
Speaker 14: earning million, hundreds of million dollars a year, but you're

1060
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:53,853
Speaker 14: stacking shelves at countdown. So you decide to put a

1061
00:51:53,893 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 14: pool on the mortgage as well. But you can't pay

1062
00:51:56,133 --> 00:51:59,893
Speaker 14: the debt back. And that's the issue, right, you have

1063
00:51:59,973 --> 00:52:03,013
Speaker 14: to have the ability to repay the debt as much

1064
00:52:03,013 --> 00:52:05,933
Speaker 14: as take it. On the other point, and the final

1065
00:52:05,973 --> 00:52:09,133
Speaker 14: point I would make is who's the debt back?

1066
00:52:09,493 --> 00:52:09,732
Speaker 19: Right?

1067
00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:12,573
Speaker 14: It ain't me, and it ain't you, and it ain't

1068
00:52:12,613 --> 00:52:15,573
Speaker 14: our kids. In fact, it's not even our kids.

1069
00:52:15,613 --> 00:52:16,733
Speaker 11: It's our kids kids.

1070
00:52:17,213 --> 00:52:21,333
Speaker 14: This debt will be on New Zealand's books long after

1071
00:52:21,373 --> 00:52:23,333
Speaker 14: we've left the earth, and long after our children have

1072
00:52:23,413 --> 00:52:25,772
Speaker 14: left the earth, and we are leaving it to our grandchildren.

1073
00:52:26,133 --> 00:52:29,493
Speaker 14: We are bankrupting future generations of New Zealanders and saddling

1074
00:52:29,493 --> 00:52:32,652
Speaker 14: them with it. I have no problem with debt, but

1075
00:52:32,773 --> 00:52:36,293
Speaker 14: not when we just thresher it away on policies that

1076
00:52:36,333 --> 00:52:38,973
Speaker 14: are only designed to keep the government power. Like Thomas

1077
00:52:38,973 --> 00:52:42,613
Speaker 14: Seele once said, politicians have two jobs. Want is to

1078
00:52:42,653 --> 00:52:46,013
Speaker 14: get elected and the second is to stay elected. And

1079
00:52:46,653 --> 00:52:49,973
Speaker 14: typically all I see from labor are policies designed to

1080
00:52:50,093 --> 00:52:54,733
Speaker 14: increase dependence on their government and then they can continue

1081
00:52:54,773 --> 00:52:57,293
Speaker 14: to be voted in. You know, it's all very well

1082
00:52:57,293 --> 00:52:59,093
Speaker 14: to throw rocks when you're in opposition about hey, you

1083
00:52:59,093 --> 00:53:02,093
Speaker 14: should spend money on assets, but they canceled roading projects

1084
00:53:02,173 --> 00:53:06,413
Speaker 14: left right and center when they're in government. So how

1085
00:53:06,453 --> 00:53:09,213
Speaker 14: can he possibly stand there with a straight space and

1086
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Speaker 14: talk about, you know, oh we should have more debt

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Speaker 14: for assets. You know, I just when his track record

1088
00:53:14,933 --> 00:53:17,973
Speaker 14: and his government's track record is absolutely abysmal on spending.

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00:53:18,293 --> 00:53:20,453
Speaker 2: So if you say, you know, it's not a great

1090
00:53:20,493 --> 00:53:23,133
Speaker 2: idea to borrow money to get the pool when you

1091
00:53:23,173 --> 00:53:26,053
Speaker 2: can't afford it, but say you are borrowing money to

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00:53:26,093 --> 00:53:29,173
Speaker 2: build something that increases productivity and you know, grows the

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00:53:29,173 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 2: overall wealth of our country. What other kind of things

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00:53:32,053 --> 00:53:35,573
Speaker 2: do you think New Zealand should borrow money for and

1095
00:53:35,613 --> 00:53:36,773
Speaker 2: should spend its money on.

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00:53:37,813 --> 00:53:41,493
Speaker 14: Well, I know it's politically a political touch point, but

1097
00:53:41,653 --> 00:53:44,252
Speaker 14: the government is talking about a second or a third

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00:53:45,893 --> 00:53:50,213
Speaker 14: medical school in Hamilton or in Wykattow. You know, politics

1099
00:53:50,213 --> 00:53:53,253
Speaker 14: of it aside. You know we're facing a doctor shortage.

1100
00:53:53,293 --> 00:53:55,733
Speaker 14: Absolutely put money into that. I mean, we're going to

1101
00:53:55,773 --> 00:53:57,693
Speaker 14: build need to build a second harbor crossing at some

1102
00:53:57,813 --> 00:54:01,533
Speaker 14: stage because the bridge is creaking and you know, trying

1103
00:54:01,573 --> 00:54:05,293
Speaker 14: to move across it is becoming more and more problematic.

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Speaker 14: And even if it is a you know, a private

1105
00:54:08,653 --> 00:54:12,453
Speaker 14: public partnership, so be it. More schools are always good.

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Speaker 14: There's talk of an additional hospital down in south Down

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00:54:17,893 --> 00:54:21,413
Speaker 14: in South Auckland. You know that these these sort of

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00:54:21,413 --> 00:54:22,133
Speaker 14: things provide.

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00:54:22,733 --> 00:54:25,893
Speaker 2: Do you think would you prefer borrowing money or you know,

1110
00:54:25,973 --> 00:54:27,813
Speaker 2: like in the in the way that we're doing now,

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00:54:27,973 --> 00:54:32,773
Speaker 2: or would you prefer these private public partnerships? And if so, why.

1112
00:54:36,053 --> 00:54:36,133
Speaker 12: So?

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00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:41,053
Speaker 14: Probably public private partnerships. Partly because the level of debt

1114
00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:45,172
Speaker 14: in order for us or it's getting to a level

1115
00:54:45,173 --> 00:54:46,613
Speaker 14: where it's going to be difficult for us to pay

1116
00:54:46,893 --> 00:54:49,733
Speaker 14: pay it back. And also if we suffer a credit

1117
00:54:49,813 --> 00:54:53,373
Speaker 14: downgrade from you know, one of the credit rating agencies,

1118
00:54:53,373 --> 00:54:55,933
Speaker 14: that's going to have a significant impact on interest rates,

1119
00:54:55,933 --> 00:54:57,373
Speaker 14: and then we're really going to be in trouble.

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Speaker 19: So you can't you can't.

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00:54:59,413 --> 00:55:03,733
Speaker 14: Keep loading up the public purse and expect to maintain

1122
00:55:03,773 --> 00:55:08,252
Speaker 14: the same level of international standing from Moody's and STAF

1123
00:55:08,333 --> 00:55:10,173
Speaker 14: and IT and Pause and all those sorts of guys.

1124
00:55:10,333 --> 00:55:12,813
Speaker 14: So you have to offload some of the costs somehow.

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00:55:13,973 --> 00:55:16,373
Speaker 14: But certainly, you know, the only way you're going to

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00:55:16,373 --> 00:55:19,533
Speaker 14: get out of the debt crisis is to increase productivity.

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00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:23,293
Speaker 14: And you know that has another fantastic one liner from

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00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:26,253
Speaker 14: Hipkins and his mates. They always talk about increasing productivity.

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Speaker 14: The only one of the key ways you do that

1130
00:55:28,293 --> 00:55:30,773
Speaker 14: is to inject capital into your business. And what are

1131
00:55:30,773 --> 00:55:33,253
Speaker 14: they proposing or thinking about proposing, oh shad, a capital

1132
00:55:33,293 --> 00:55:37,853
Speaker 14: gains tax. So on one hand they're talking about productivity

1133
00:55:37,933 --> 00:55:40,533
Speaker 14: is the way out of New Zealand's economic slump. The

1134
00:55:40,613 --> 00:55:42,853
Speaker 14: other hand, they're taxing the only thing that can actually

1135
00:55:42,933 --> 00:55:47,573
Speaker 14: improve productivity, which is injecting capital into a business to

1136
00:55:47,613 --> 00:55:50,413
Speaker 14: improve productivity, you know, the latest technology and stuff like that.

1137
00:55:50,493 --> 00:55:53,973
Speaker 14: I mean, just you know, they just talk out the

1138
00:55:53,973 --> 00:55:54,853
Speaker 14: side of their mouths.

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Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, well, thank you so much for your col

1140
00:55:58,373 --> 00:56:00,093
Speaker 3: Graham made some very good points, and you get a

1141
00:56:00,133 --> 00:56:02,093
Speaker 3: lot of support via techs. I mean, the one he

1142
00:56:02,253 --> 00:56:04,573
Speaker 3: made several points there, but the one I absolutely agree

1143
00:56:04,573 --> 00:56:06,893
Speaker 3: with was who pays back that debt. It's very easy

1144
00:56:06,893 --> 00:56:08,773
Speaker 3: for someone like Chris Hipkins to say now is the

1145
00:56:08,813 --> 00:56:11,093
Speaker 3: time to borrow more, But it is not him that's

1146
00:56:11,093 --> 00:56:13,093
Speaker 3: going to be paying that debt back. Is going to

1147
00:56:13,133 --> 00:56:17,013
Speaker 3: be successive generations, and I'm just sick of generations down

1148
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:19,333
Speaker 3: the track having to sort out that sort of debt

1149
00:56:19,453 --> 00:56:21,173
Speaker 3: that has just done fear and that is not a

1150
00:56:21,173 --> 00:56:23,733
Speaker 3: sustainable way to run a country in the long term.

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00:56:24,053 --> 00:56:26,013
Speaker 5: But keen on your thoughts. So one hundred and eighty

1152
00:56:26,013 --> 00:56:27,053
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call.

1153
00:56:27,093 --> 00:56:28,293
Speaker 2: It's twenty five past.

1154
00:56:28,053 --> 00:56:36,173
Speaker 1: Two, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1155
00:56:36,253 --> 00:56:38,493
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby.

1156
00:56:38,573 --> 00:56:40,933
Speaker 2: Twenty seven past two, I tell you our last caller,

1157
00:56:41,013 --> 00:56:43,293
Speaker 2: Graham's pretty popular. He's the most popular caller we've had

1158
00:56:43,333 --> 00:56:46,013
Speaker 2: since Tom a few weeks back. Graham absolutely nailed the

1159
00:56:46,013 --> 00:56:49,693
Speaker 2: previous point here here, Graham, he was spot on with everything.

1160
00:56:49,733 --> 00:56:53,212
Speaker 2: That's from Meredith Graham for Prime minister whoever This Graham

1161
00:56:53,253 --> 00:56:56,853
Speaker 2: blokes have him back on more often. He's very eloquent.

1162
00:56:57,133 --> 00:57:01,053
Speaker 2: Graham is a legend. This guy is onto it. Yeah Graham, Graham, Graham, Graham.

1163
00:57:01,053 --> 00:57:02,093
Speaker 2: There's a lot of world done.

1164
00:57:02,133 --> 00:57:02,653
Speaker 5: Graham.

1165
00:57:02,693 --> 00:57:07,333
Speaker 2: Graham could launch launch a a campaign for Global Overlord

1166
00:57:08,453 --> 00:57:09,053
Speaker 2: on the back of.

1167
00:57:09,013 --> 00:57:11,133
Speaker 5: These Yeah boy, a lot of support.

1168
00:57:11,333 --> 00:57:15,333
Speaker 2: People love Graham. Nicola is borrowing because I was saying

1169
00:57:15,333 --> 00:57:17,933
Speaker 2: before that it's not like the national government isn't borrowing

1170
00:57:17,933 --> 00:57:20,573
Speaker 2: as well. Nicola is borrowing to maintain spinning programs. She

1171
00:57:20,613 --> 00:57:23,253
Speaker 2: can't fully stop. She may be borrowing x, but Hipkins

1172
00:57:23,253 --> 00:57:29,373
Speaker 2: would be borrowing ten times x. That's from a glen Hi. Guys,

1173
00:57:29,413 --> 00:57:33,093
Speaker 2: I'm noticing that the left are calling reality scaremongering now,

1174
00:57:33,373 --> 00:57:35,013
Speaker 2: and this guy is saying not to be scared of

1175
00:57:35,053 --> 00:57:37,533
Speaker 2: a bit of debt as a little bit in incoherent

1176
00:57:37,573 --> 00:57:38,213
Speaker 2: thoughtless twit.

1177
00:57:38,373 --> 00:57:43,733
Speaker 5: Oh well, okay, thank you. I think we got Andrew

1178
00:57:43,853 --> 00:57:44,573
Speaker 5: on the line.

1179
00:57:44,613 --> 00:57:53,613
Speaker 2: You get Andrew, get a Andrew, you say, spin, spin, spin, Andrew, Andrew, Andy,

1180
00:57:54,293 --> 00:57:55,173
Speaker 2: We've lost Andrew.

1181
00:57:55,173 --> 00:57:55,693
Speaker 5: What a blow?

1182
00:57:56,333 --> 00:57:57,533
Speaker 21: I think you really mischarged.

1183
00:57:59,213 --> 00:58:00,693
Speaker 2: Sorry, and you start what you were saying again you

1184
00:58:00,773 --> 00:58:02,573
Speaker 2: were we didn't get you for a second there, so

1185
00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:03,213
Speaker 2: you started talking.

1186
00:58:04,093 --> 00:58:06,653
Speaker 21: I think as how she really mistaged the subject. And

1187
00:58:06,733 --> 00:58:08,973
Speaker 21: I think the callers of showing you there and that

1188
00:58:09,013 --> 00:58:11,253
Speaker 21: the majority of calls you've have has said it's okay

1189
00:58:11,293 --> 00:58:14,213
Speaker 21: to borrow as long as it's going into infrastructure, and

1190
00:58:14,253 --> 00:58:16,293
Speaker 21: you didn't really give that as an upfront topic at

1191
00:58:16,293 --> 00:58:18,613
Speaker 21: the start. And I think if you look at christ

1192
00:58:18,693 --> 00:58:20,533
Speaker 21: Church and they look at the stadium as an example,

1193
00:58:20,973 --> 00:58:22,853
Speaker 21: you see what happens if you don't invest in your

1194
00:58:22,893 --> 00:58:24,653
Speaker 21: infrastructure and you delay it, and your delay it and

1195
00:58:24,693 --> 00:58:27,853
Speaker 21: your consultation after consultation hang.

1196
00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:29,773
Speaker 2: Just to stop you there, Andrew, I mean we've been

1197
00:58:29,813 --> 00:58:31,973
Speaker 2: saying that over and over again, that if you're dressed

1198
00:58:32,013 --> 00:58:35,893
Speaker 2: in infrastructure, there's a productive way to spend your money.

1199
00:58:35,973 --> 00:58:37,773
Speaker 2: I mean, we couldn't have said that more often.

1200
00:58:37,853 --> 00:58:40,093
Speaker 3: The exact words out of Man's mouth was debt can

1201
00:58:40,173 --> 00:58:40,773
Speaker 3: be really good.

1202
00:58:41,613 --> 00:58:41,813
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1203
00:58:41,853 --> 00:58:44,093
Speaker 21: But I think if you're going into that next direction

1204
00:58:44,253 --> 00:58:45,893
Speaker 21: and you say we're going to borrow, but this is

1205
00:58:45,933 --> 00:58:48,973
Speaker 21: specific project that's going into I mean, I know Sir

1206
00:58:49,053 --> 00:58:52,413
Speaker 21: Robert Muldren was ridical for his when he'd done his investments,

1207
00:58:52,453 --> 00:58:53,973
Speaker 21: but look where it would be with power in this

1208
00:58:53,973 --> 00:58:55,213
Speaker 21: country if it wasn't for him. Now.

1209
00:58:55,533 --> 00:58:58,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again Andrew, and I did say, this is

1210
00:58:58,093 --> 00:59:00,653
Speaker 3: a more of a question about trust, right is I

1211
00:59:00,693 --> 00:59:02,853
Speaker 3: think we've said over the last ninety minutes that debt

1212
00:59:02,853 --> 00:59:05,653
Speaker 3: can be good if it goes into critical infrastructure or

1213
00:59:05,653 --> 00:59:07,733
Speaker 3: assets that you're going to get a return from. Is

1214
00:59:07,853 --> 00:59:11,293
Speaker 3: Labor really the party to be trusted considering what they

1215
00:59:11,373 --> 00:59:13,693
Speaker 3: did after COVID spending like drunken sailors.

1216
00:59:13,773 --> 00:59:16,373
Speaker 5: That was the primary question, And that's what.

1217
00:59:16,333 --> 00:59:18,733
Speaker 21: I'm saying when it comes to this NIXE dilection, We're

1218
00:59:18,733 --> 00:59:20,253
Speaker 21: going to have to be looking careful at what if

1219
00:59:20,253 --> 00:59:21,733
Speaker 21: they are going to borrow what they say they want

1220
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:24,653
Speaker 21: to borrow that money against because what I'm seeing with

1221
00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:26,933
Speaker 21: National is that we're cutting back beds inder need and

1222
00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 21: we're not putting in a Nelson hospital that's only going

1223
00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:32,173
Speaker 21: to cost us more in the future. So effectively, you're

1224
00:59:32,173 --> 00:59:34,933
Speaker 21: borrowing in a way because you're actually the laying projects.

1225
00:59:34,933 --> 00:59:37,493
Speaker 21: It means you have to spend more to actually get

1226
00:59:37,493 --> 00:59:38,333
Speaker 21: those down the road.

1227
00:59:38,373 --> 00:59:41,333
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, I mean, what did you think about Labour's

1228
00:59:41,413 --> 00:59:45,133
Speaker 2: investment into mental health? The one point nine billion dollars.

1229
00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:47,653
Speaker 2: How do you think that that paid off? Have you

1230
00:59:47,693 --> 00:59:49,093
Speaker 2: seen that go anywhere?

1231
00:59:49,773 --> 00:59:51,533
Speaker 21: No, I don't think we have. And what I want

1232
00:59:51,533 --> 00:59:53,213
Speaker 21: to see is I want to see more investment because

1233
00:59:53,213 --> 00:59:55,213
Speaker 21: I live in a city where we've seen the infrastructure

1234
00:59:55,213 --> 00:59:58,613
Speaker 21: has been not invested, and then we have the longest

1235
00:59:58,813 --> 01:00:02,493
Speaker 21: peak hour traffic in the country. What Citi is that,

1236
01:00:02,773 --> 01:00:05,933
Speaker 21: Andrew christ Church, we're more interested in speed bumps and

1237
01:00:06,053 --> 01:00:07,813
Speaker 21: rather than moving our traffic for productivity.

1238
01:00:08,053 --> 01:00:10,293
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is fair enough.

1239
01:00:10,293 --> 01:00:11,933
Speaker 3: I mean, look on the stadium question, that is a

1240
01:00:11,933 --> 01:00:14,413
Speaker 3: complicated one for christ Gtch. There was a massive balls

1241
01:00:14,493 --> 01:00:16,573
Speaker 3: up that that just wasn't signed off, end up costing

1242
01:00:16,573 --> 01:00:18,453
Speaker 3: twice as much as it should have, no doubt about that.

1243
01:00:18,533 --> 01:00:20,453
Speaker 3: But that was a complicated case, a deal between the

1244
01:00:20,453 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 3: council and the government. But I get his point that

1245
01:00:22,533 --> 01:00:24,533
Speaker 3: if it has spent wisely, and we have been saying

1246
01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:28,093
Speaker 3: that all along, spent wisely on critical infrastructure and assets

1247
01:00:28,133 --> 01:00:29,533
Speaker 3: that return an investment.

1248
01:00:29,973 --> 01:00:31,653
Speaker 2: It's funny because Andrew rang up and said, you weren't

1249
01:00:31,653 --> 01:00:33,453
Speaker 2: talking about the thing you should been talking about. At

1250
01:00:33,493 --> 01:00:35,173
Speaker 2: the same time, I thought, boy, we've been repeating that

1251
01:00:35,213 --> 01:00:36,653
Speaker 2: exact same point over and over again.

1252
01:00:36,773 --> 01:00:38,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, you called me out on it. I said, I

1253
01:00:38,373 --> 01:00:40,613
Speaker 3: need to stop talking about that. I've said it so much. Andrew,

1254
01:00:40,613 --> 01:00:42,053
Speaker 3: thank you very much for your fatal.

1255
01:00:41,853 --> 01:00:43,173
Speaker 2: But I guess the problem is when you look at

1256
01:00:43,173 --> 01:00:45,893
Speaker 2: things like the City rail Link, you're like, Okay, that's

1257
01:00:45,933 --> 01:00:48,893
Speaker 2: great infrastructure. Sure, sure, arguably whatever you argue back and forth.

1258
01:00:48,973 --> 01:00:52,853
Speaker 2: But maybe that would increase productivity, who knows. But it's

1259
01:00:52,893 --> 01:00:54,853
Speaker 2: not great when you budget it at one point eight

1260
01:00:54,893 --> 01:00:57,413
Speaker 2: billion and it comes in at five billion. Yeah, you know,

1261
01:00:57,653 --> 01:01:00,413
Speaker 2: and so you know, if you're borrowing money for infrastructure

1262
01:01:00,413 --> 01:01:02,213
Speaker 2: and then it blows out to the point where it

1263
01:01:02,293 --> 01:01:06,013
Speaker 2: isn't actually helping for productivity once you factor in all

1264
01:01:06,053 --> 01:01:09,013
Speaker 2: the debt repayment you have to do on it, and

1265
01:01:09,053 --> 01:01:10,013
Speaker 2: that's it. That's a problem.

1266
01:01:10,133 --> 01:01:10,333
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1267
01:01:10,453 --> 01:01:12,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean it's like, if you can borrow

1268
01:01:12,773 --> 01:01:16,253
Speaker 2: money for good infrastructure projects that are going to grow

1269
01:01:16,293 --> 01:01:19,133
Speaker 2: the wealth of the country and increase productivity, and then

1270
01:01:19,173 --> 01:01:20,733
Speaker 2: you deliver them on budget.

1271
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Speaker 5: Yep, wicked, happy days. But that's what we want.

1272
01:01:23,013 --> 01:01:25,013
Speaker 2: But we haven't been seen a lot of that exactly.

1273
01:01:25,093 --> 01:01:25,493
Speaker 5: Spot on.

1274
01:01:25,693 --> 01:01:27,933
Speaker 3: Hey, great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who

1275
01:01:28,053 --> 01:01:30,093
Speaker 3: phoned up and text on that one. We've got the

1276
01:01:30,133 --> 01:01:31,653
Speaker 3: headlines coming up. Then we're going to have a check

1277
01:01:31,693 --> 01:01:35,333
Speaker 3: to Haymish mcquaye who lost an incredible fifty kilos. We'll

1278
01:01:35,373 --> 01:01:37,413
Speaker 3: tell you how we did that and open up the

1279
01:01:37,453 --> 01:01:40,173
Speaker 3: phone calls to you as well. It is twenty eight

1280
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Speaker 3: to three.

1281
01:01:43,973 --> 01:01:44,533
Speaker 4: US talks.

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Speaker 12: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxes. It's no trouble

1283
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Speaker 12: with a blue bubble. The Green say early childhood education

1284
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Speaker 12: should be about farno, not profit. The party's alternative budget

1285
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Speaker 12: includes using money from wealth and companies taxes for social services,

1286
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Speaker 12: including free GPS, dentistry and preschool care. Ratepayers are urging

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Speaker 12: totong A City count to curb spending and not hike rates.

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Speaker 12: The twelve percent proposed in its annual plan on top

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Speaker 12: of thirteen percent last year. Back and Save has scored

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Speaker 12: best for a second month in international supermarket price comparisons

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Speaker 12: against war Woods and Australian retailers. Duned In Council says

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Speaker 12: the Heritage gas Works Museum Chimney is at risk of

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Speaker 12: collapse as they work to save as much of it

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Speaker 12: as possible. Ridiculous by the Firearms Minister compared guns to

1295
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Speaker 12: ovens and toasters. Read more at ends at Herald Premium

1296
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Speaker 12: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray lan Wright. This is going

1298
01:02:47,973 --> 01:02:51,253
Speaker 3: to be an interesting discussion. Hamish Mackay is an aim

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Speaker 3: you'd know very well, sports caster and now real estate agent.

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Speaker 3: He shared a post on LinkedIn that has been picked

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01:02:58,613 --> 01:03:02,733
Speaker 3: up by news papers around the world funnily enough, and

1302
01:03:02,813 --> 01:03:05,133
Speaker 3: it was very honest and I'll paraphrase some of it here.

1303
01:03:05,173 --> 01:03:07,973
Speaker 3: He wrote, thanks to life saving beriatric surgery, he went

1304
01:03:08,133 --> 01:03:11,573
Speaker 3: from one hundred and thirty five kilograms to eighty two kilograms.

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01:03:11,973 --> 01:03:15,613
Speaker 3: And we've got Hamish on the line to have a chat. Hamish,

1306
01:03:15,733 --> 01:03:17,053
Speaker 3: get a mates, how are.

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Speaker 11: You, gentlemen, I'm very well. Thank you fighting fit ah.

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01:03:21,293 --> 01:03:24,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you must be surprised how much this LinkedIn

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01:03:24,293 --> 01:03:26,533
Speaker 2: post of yours has blown up globally.

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01:03:27,373 --> 01:03:27,573
Speaker 22: Yeah.

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01:03:27,613 --> 01:03:30,693
Speaker 11: Well, it's interesting because everywhere I've been nobody recognizes me.

1312
01:03:30,733 --> 01:03:32,573
Speaker 11: One of my favorite meets is go out to the

1313
01:03:32,653 --> 01:03:36,573
Speaker 11: yielding sales of Karaka in January, and not a soul

1314
01:03:36,733 --> 01:03:38,813
Speaker 11: of about thirty people who I said hello to had

1315
01:03:38,853 --> 01:03:41,413
Speaker 11: any idea who I was. I had to reintroduce myself

1316
01:03:42,253 --> 01:03:43,733
Speaker 11: and that was sort of a catalyst. So a couple

1317
01:03:43,733 --> 01:03:45,213
Speaker 11: of people are starting to go, well, what's going on there?

1318
01:03:45,213 --> 01:03:48,413
Speaker 11: I had a few people who genuinely who saw me

1319
01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:50,933
Speaker 11: and didn't want to approach me because they felt bad

1320
01:03:50,973 --> 01:03:53,013
Speaker 11: that I must have had some sort of life threatening

1321
01:03:53,053 --> 01:03:56,333
Speaker 11: disease or nothing that happened, so they didn't approach me.

1322
01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,253
Speaker 11: And you know, so in the end, I need to

1323
01:03:59,253 --> 01:04:01,853
Speaker 11: put this out there because as I got better and

1324
01:04:01,893 --> 01:04:06,093
Speaker 11: better and healthier and healthier, I realized that. And people

1325
01:04:06,173 --> 01:04:08,653
Speaker 11: have come to me, probably a dozen people. Would you

1326
01:04:08,693 --> 01:04:10,413
Speaker 11: talk to my brother, when you talk to my brother

1327
01:04:10,453 --> 01:04:12,733
Speaker 11: and all my sibling, you know, and say, you know,

1328
01:04:12,933 --> 01:04:15,173
Speaker 11: do this if you can get the opportunity. So that

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01:04:15,373 --> 01:04:17,333
Speaker 11: kind of prompted me to go, well, I'll go to

1330
01:04:17,373 --> 01:04:20,733
Speaker 11: a slightly wider audience. But you can't do this without

1331
01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:22,293
Speaker 11: putting up the good with the bad and the ugly.

1332
01:04:22,333 --> 01:04:23,933
Speaker 11: And I had to put up a couple of uglies,

1333
01:04:23,973 --> 01:04:29,453
Speaker 11: which was a catalyst for me saying, you know, you

1334
01:04:29,533 --> 01:04:30,613
Speaker 11: got to do something about this.

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01:04:31,853 --> 01:04:32,013
Speaker 23: Well.

1336
01:04:32,053 --> 01:04:33,893
Speaker 2: I never really thought of you, I mean watched you

1337
01:04:33,933 --> 01:04:36,053
Speaker 2: for a very long time. I never really thought of

1338
01:04:36,093 --> 01:04:39,493
Speaker 2: you as a large, larger gentleman. You seem to hold

1339
01:04:39,533 --> 01:04:42,133
Speaker 2: it pretty well. What do you think caused your your

1340
01:04:42,253 --> 01:04:42,853
Speaker 2: your weight.

1341
01:04:42,733 --> 01:04:45,733
Speaker 11: Gain yeah, I was most of my time in the

1342
01:04:46,253 --> 01:04:47,933
Speaker 11: years of TEA three, I was probably about one hundred

1343
01:04:47,933 --> 01:04:49,773
Speaker 11: and ten kilos. So I can hide it under a

1344
01:04:49,853 --> 01:04:52,013
Speaker 11: nice suit and the right sort of light thing, and

1345
01:04:52,133 --> 01:04:54,253
Speaker 11: I had a big enough frame to get away with it.

1346
01:04:54,573 --> 01:04:57,373
Speaker 11: But I still had one hundred and ten kilos. I mean,

1347
01:04:58,373 --> 01:05:01,453
Speaker 11: I mean some people would call it fat shaving or whatever,

1348
01:05:01,493 --> 01:05:04,453
Speaker 11: but amongst the sports team, it was always, oh, my guys,

1349
01:05:04,493 --> 01:05:07,373
Speaker 11: got that's where the missing pillow is, you know, mat

1350
01:05:07,493 --> 01:05:09,693
Speaker 11: Clint Brown and but it was all bit fun. But

1351
01:05:09,973 --> 01:05:12,693
Speaker 11: but what wasn't good fun was even of one hundred

1352
01:05:12,693 --> 01:05:16,533
Speaker 11: and ten kilos, which is twenty five kilos lighter than

1353
01:05:16,573 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 11: my peak, My blood sugars, blood pressure and everything else

1354
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:25,253
Speaker 11: was cholester was horrendous. So you know, there was the

1355
01:05:25,373 --> 01:05:27,493
Speaker 11: signs were there even though I could, even though I

1356
01:05:27,493 --> 01:05:30,373
Speaker 11: could hide it, you know where they you know, bluck

1357
01:05:30,493 --> 01:05:31,413
Speaker 11: my way put it that way.

1358
01:05:31,693 --> 01:05:34,813
Speaker 2: Well, what did you try first before you went to surgery?

1359
01:05:34,853 --> 01:05:36,933
Speaker 2: I mentioned, you know, you know, if you're concerned about it,

1360
01:05:36,973 --> 01:05:39,053
Speaker 2: you to probably tried a whole lot of different things.

1361
01:05:39,293 --> 01:05:42,133
Speaker 11: Yeah, I tried different diets, and I mean I did twice.

1362
01:05:42,213 --> 01:05:45,413
Speaker 11: In my late forties, I got pretty fit in Roads

1363
01:05:45,493 --> 01:05:48,173
Speaker 11: the retro cycle to a Wellington Auckland. I mean that's

1364
01:05:48,213 --> 01:05:51,693
Speaker 11: one hundred and twenty k a day. Wow, you know,

1365
01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:54,733
Speaker 11: following the foot seeds of the old Deluxe tour. And

1366
01:05:54,813 --> 01:05:57,493
Speaker 11: I did that twice, but I hardly dropped a kilo. Yeah,

1367
01:05:57,733 --> 01:05:59,373
Speaker 11: and you know, and I said to myself, you know, gods,

1368
01:05:59,373 --> 01:06:01,813
Speaker 11: you're putting your you know, you're riding four or five

1369
01:06:01,893 --> 01:06:04,253
Speaker 11: hours every day, seven days in a row, and you train,

1370
01:06:04,813 --> 01:06:09,613
Speaker 11: you know what? My and one day it took a while,

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01:06:09,853 --> 01:06:13,573
Speaker 11: and the initial discussions with a surgeon and a surgical

1372
01:06:13,613 --> 01:06:17,093
Speaker 11: team was that you've got a brother who's genetically one

1373
01:06:17,173 --> 01:06:20,013
Speaker 11: hundred percent the same as you, but he is as

1374
01:06:20,093 --> 01:06:22,093
Speaker 11: skinny as a rake and can never put on weight,

1375
01:06:22,213 --> 01:06:25,053
Speaker 11: never will, and why you and you will? So you

1376
01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:28,533
Speaker 11: have to accept that it's probably okay to except.

1377
01:06:28,133 --> 01:06:29,493
Speaker 17: That you are.

1378
01:06:30,853 --> 01:06:35,693
Speaker 11: You know, you know, on the fat side, and a

1379
01:06:35,773 --> 01:06:38,213
Speaker 11: reason for this. But today we can do something about it,

1380
01:06:38,253 --> 01:06:39,933
Speaker 11: and we can do it pretty damn safely, and we

1381
01:06:40,013 --> 01:06:43,173
Speaker 11: do it really well. And I had an opportunity that

1382
01:06:43,213 --> 01:06:46,613
Speaker 11: came about from from a sort of a secondary thing

1383
01:06:46,613 --> 01:06:48,773
Speaker 11: that I was dealing with in the public health system,

1384
01:06:48,813 --> 01:06:51,373
Speaker 11: and the basically that one of the doctors said, how

1385
01:06:51,373 --> 01:06:52,973
Speaker 11: long you've been this fat? You know, he didn't quite

1386
01:06:52,973 --> 01:06:54,533
Speaker 11: say it as brutally as that, but that was a

1387
01:06:54,813 --> 01:06:57,853
Speaker 11: comedy a comment. He said, because these things here, so

1388
01:06:57,853 --> 01:06:59,613
Speaker 11: it is to me you will you'll be dead pretty

1389
01:06:59,613 --> 01:07:03,133
Speaker 11: soon these readings. And that's when I went, Okay, I'm

1390
01:07:03,133 --> 01:07:06,053
Speaker 11: happy to go into this program and let's see it progresses,

1391
01:07:06,133 --> 01:07:06,813
Speaker 11: see how we go.

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01:07:07,133 --> 01:07:07,893
Speaker 9: Yeah, you reckon.

1393
01:07:07,933 --> 01:07:12,813
Speaker 3: There is bit of a taboo around that, the bariatric surgery, Hamous.

1394
01:07:12,933 --> 01:07:15,733
Speaker 3: I mean, there'll be countless of people listening right now

1395
01:07:15,733 --> 01:07:16,893
Speaker 3: that it did everything you did.

1396
01:07:16,933 --> 01:07:18,893
Speaker 5: You're a fit guy, I take it.

1397
01:07:18,933 --> 01:07:21,093
Speaker 3: You know, you tried the diet route and just whatever

1398
01:07:21,133 --> 01:07:22,733
Speaker 3: you tried, you can't shift that weight.

1399
01:07:22,813 --> 01:07:24,773
Speaker 5: There'll be thousands.

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01:07:24,253 --> 01:07:28,093
Speaker 3: Listening in that situation right now, but that that pathway

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01:07:28,133 --> 01:07:30,173
Speaker 3: to surgery. They might be freaking out a little bit,

1402
01:07:30,213 --> 01:07:33,893
Speaker 3: thinking that's extreme, but you're saying for you and for

1403
01:07:34,013 --> 01:07:35,973
Speaker 3: countless others, it can be life saving.

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01:07:36,853 --> 01:07:40,013
Speaker 11: Yeah, I believe so. I mean, and you know there

1405
01:07:40,013 --> 01:07:42,893
Speaker 11: are people who can go, oh, you know, you fatties

1406
01:07:42,893 --> 01:07:44,373
Speaker 11: need to do something about it. Well.

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01:07:44,893 --> 01:07:45,413
Speaker 18: I had to.

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01:07:45,333 --> 01:07:48,053
Speaker 11: Lose twenty kilos before the operation, right, so there was

1409
01:07:48,053 --> 01:07:50,893
Speaker 11: a pretty big you know, i'd got into good shape again.

1410
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:52,773
Speaker 11: My wife and I went, why are you doing this? Well,

1411
01:07:52,933 --> 01:07:54,533
Speaker 11: the reason you are this because you'll put it back on.

1412
01:07:55,053 --> 01:07:56,853
Speaker 11: And that was. That was But that was on a

1413
01:07:56,933 --> 01:08:01,133
Speaker 11: diet where suddenly tomatoes started to taste like mandarins and

1414
01:08:01,213 --> 01:08:05,093
Speaker 11: yoga like the richest ice cream you could. So it was, yeah,

1415
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:07,813
Speaker 11: you know, those things are there. They do work. But

1416
01:08:07,933 --> 01:08:11,533
Speaker 11: I went exponentially at this weight my two dodgy needs,

1417
01:08:11,613 --> 01:08:14,613
Speaker 11: which funnily enough, I don't have anymore because I can

1418
01:08:14,733 --> 01:08:17,773
Speaker 11: jog again and not only shuffle like a fifty nine

1419
01:08:17,813 --> 01:08:20,492
Speaker 11: year old, I can actually run, you know. And so

1420
01:08:20,653 --> 01:08:23,173
Speaker 11: I was looking at needs replacement hip replacements. So I

1421
01:08:23,213 --> 01:08:27,492
Speaker 11: believe that yes, some of the some of my tax

1422
01:08:27,572 --> 01:08:30,013
Speaker 11: take over the years has got I had got back

1423
01:08:30,053 --> 01:08:33,973
Speaker 11: in this particular procedure. But I'm saying a lot exponentially

1424
01:08:34,013 --> 01:08:36,133
Speaker 11: because I would have just been one of those topcases.

1425
01:08:36,293 --> 01:08:39,852
Speaker 11: Fixed that and probably the fact that I'm pretty lucky that,

1426
01:08:40,372 --> 01:08:42,412
Speaker 11: you know, the bike rides as a disthmatica of my

1427
01:08:42,492 --> 01:08:46,572
Speaker 11: LANs were okay, I want to hang around. Sucked every

1428
01:08:46,652 --> 01:08:49,852
Speaker 11: last dollar out of the health system. Now, going from

1429
01:08:49,893 --> 01:08:52,972
Speaker 11: seven different tools to taking nothing, I think that that's

1430
01:08:52,973 --> 01:08:57,852
Speaker 11: pretty you know, a pretty good case for to encourage

1431
01:08:57,853 --> 01:08:59,412
Speaker 11: people that those are going to afford to do it,

1432
01:08:59,412 --> 01:09:02,452
Speaker 11: go and do it tomorrow though, you know, those who

1433
01:09:02,572 --> 01:09:04,812
Speaker 11: need to get into the system, please try and do it.

1434
01:09:05,053 --> 01:09:07,492
Speaker 11: And you know, and I've been overwhelmed by the sort

1435
01:09:07,532 --> 01:09:10,173
Speaker 11: of the reaction to the to this article, you know,

1436
01:09:10,253 --> 01:09:12,692
Speaker 11: the article we've had, because it's just like I've already

1437
01:09:12,692 --> 01:09:17,452
Speaker 11: probably got ten private messages, more on social media and

1438
01:09:17,452 --> 01:09:19,812
Speaker 11: more people just coming on the phone and saying, hey,

1439
01:09:20,053 --> 01:09:20,932
Speaker 11: can you tell.

1440
01:09:20,812 --> 01:09:21,372
Speaker 19: Us about it?

1441
01:09:22,133 --> 01:09:25,412
Speaker 11: And if you put yourself out there like that, then

1442
01:09:25,452 --> 01:09:28,052
Speaker 11: you have to be prepared to respond to those people

1443
01:09:28,093 --> 01:09:28,452
Speaker 11: as well.

1444
01:09:29,053 --> 01:09:29,492
Speaker 24: No I have.

1445
01:09:29,652 --> 01:09:32,692
Speaker 11: I'm trying, one by one. I'm getting back. You know,

1446
01:09:32,853 --> 01:09:33,572
Speaker 11: here's my story.

1447
01:09:34,293 --> 01:09:38,492
Speaker 2: We're talking to broadcasting legion Homus mackay about here's decision

1448
01:09:38,532 --> 01:09:42,492
Speaker 2: to get surgery that ended up with them dropping from

1449
01:09:42,492 --> 01:09:45,532
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five kgs down to a spout

1450
01:09:45,652 --> 01:09:49,573
Speaker 2: eighty five. What was the what was the actual surgery process?

1451
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:54,333
Speaker 11: Like, yeah, so it's I mean it's not a it's

1452
01:09:57,412 --> 01:10:00,293
Speaker 11: look you go the process. I'm trying to think, what

1453
01:10:00,412 --> 01:10:03,173
Speaker 11: was it three or four hours? And I know there's

1454
01:10:03,213 --> 01:10:08,053
Speaker 11: a whole raft of these various stomach stapling, stomach removal

1455
01:10:08,772 --> 01:10:11,333
Speaker 11: you can have done now, so there's no one size

1456
01:10:11,372 --> 01:10:14,572
Speaker 11: fit door. Mine was that it was I think rex y,

1457
01:10:14,692 --> 01:10:18,133
Speaker 11: which is I suffered a lot from refluxing things. So

1458
01:10:18,173 --> 01:10:20,093
Speaker 11: they that you can never get that again because of

1459
01:10:20,133 --> 01:10:22,852
Speaker 11: the way they what they take out and what they

1460
01:10:22,973 --> 01:10:26,253
Speaker 11: recreated there. I had a little bit of problem afterwards,

1461
01:10:27,093 --> 01:10:30,213
Speaker 11: was I heal so well, that's my the issry to

1462
01:10:30,213 --> 01:10:33,812
Speaker 11: my stomach killed over. And when you get into that

1463
01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:36,013
Speaker 11: weight loss, when you've been big and you and you

1464
01:10:36,173 --> 01:10:39,293
Speaker 11: enjoy being losing weight, you probably go a little too far.

1465
01:10:39,372 --> 01:10:42,532
Speaker 11: I went down to about seventy five. I was a

1466
01:10:42,532 --> 01:10:47,133
Speaker 11: bag of bones. But and now now I just you know,

1467
01:10:47,612 --> 01:10:50,812
Speaker 11: eat it all day. We're not, you know, within reason

1468
01:10:51,173 --> 01:10:54,253
Speaker 11: and well and I can't put anything on over.

1469
01:10:54,133 --> 01:10:56,053
Speaker 17: About eighty two eighty three kgs.

1470
01:10:56,093 --> 01:10:58,012
Speaker 11: So and the minute you start.

1471
01:10:57,853 --> 01:10:59,492
Speaker 19: Exercise, of course you burn it off.

1472
01:10:59,532 --> 01:11:05,812
Speaker 11: But yeah, it's you know, it's the procedure itself.

1473
01:11:06,492 --> 01:11:08,493
Speaker 18: Recovery is a little little.

1474
01:11:09,893 --> 01:11:11,612
Speaker 11: You've just got to be gentle with your something. You

1475
01:11:11,612 --> 01:11:13,572
Speaker 11: can't do much for the first month or so, and

1476
01:11:13,692 --> 01:11:17,412
Speaker 11: you have slowly you're on sort of pure ad puread food.

1477
01:11:18,572 --> 01:11:22,852
Speaker 11: But remarkably you lose weight pretty damn quickly. And but

1478
01:11:22,973 --> 01:11:25,612
Speaker 11: like I say, the public system obviously has got a

1479
01:11:25,732 --> 01:11:29,013
Speaker 11: very struck rule. If you lose the bait, sorry, no

1480
01:11:29,173 --> 01:11:31,692
Speaker 11: can do. And there are plenty of cases of where

1481
01:11:31,732 --> 01:11:34,053
Speaker 11: they've gone in to do it, and so no, no,

1482
01:11:34,372 --> 01:11:38,173
Speaker 11: you haven't done what we needed to do. Because your

1483
01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:40,213
Speaker 11: liver is the one thing that will tell you whether

1484
01:11:40,253 --> 01:11:42,412
Speaker 11: you've done what's been asked. You're not so much the

1485
01:11:42,452 --> 01:11:45,612
Speaker 11: actual weight loss. It's the reduction of all the bad stuff.

1486
01:11:46,452 --> 01:11:48,813
Speaker 11: And if they look at your living go, no information.

1487
01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:49,812
Speaker 18: Bang, we'll get on with this.

1488
01:11:50,253 --> 01:11:51,412
Speaker 24: It was, it was pretty stracted.

1489
01:11:51,412 --> 01:11:55,732
Speaker 11: There's no mucking around. There's been some incredible like I

1490
01:11:55,772 --> 01:11:59,492
Speaker 11: would say, kind of like I described the period from

1491
01:11:59,532 --> 01:12:02,492
Speaker 11: when somebody came in and wrapped the gaps out of

1492
01:12:02,532 --> 01:12:06,732
Speaker 11: TV three ten years ago, sort of a comfortably black

1493
01:12:06,732 --> 01:12:09,133
Speaker 11: hole where you know, I've been selling relocate and done

1494
01:12:09,133 --> 01:12:10,972
Speaker 11: and they had a you know, I had a pretty

1495
01:12:10,973 --> 01:12:14,612
Speaker 11: successful radio show with Richard Lowe that went by the

1496
01:12:14,612 --> 01:12:17,892
Speaker 11: way to the overall sort of station going by the way.

1497
01:12:18,173 --> 01:12:22,133
Speaker 11: But you know, nothing hasn't been hasn't been bad. None

1498
01:12:22,173 --> 01:12:25,692
Speaker 11: of it's been bloody, chemotherapy or anything like actual problems

1499
01:12:25,692 --> 01:12:29,412
Speaker 11: that people are actually facing, you know, just just sort

1500
01:12:29,452 --> 01:12:32,892
Speaker 11: of coasting a long period. Well, now out the back

1501
01:12:33,013 --> 01:12:36,732
Speaker 11: end of that, my awareness of what's important and what's

1502
01:12:37,372 --> 01:12:40,333
Speaker 11: great and good in my life has risen dramatically. My

1503
01:12:40,572 --> 01:12:43,093
Speaker 11: awareness of what I need to address in terms of

1504
01:12:43,093 --> 01:12:47,732
Speaker 11: whether that's relationships past, you know, things that have gone wrong,

1505
01:12:48,173 --> 01:12:50,892
Speaker 11: it's also massively increased. It's a bit of a double

1506
01:12:50,933 --> 01:12:52,972
Speaker 11: edged sword. But how I wouldn't swap with the way

1507
01:12:52,973 --> 01:12:55,292
Speaker 11: I feel to take a bed to a year for anything.

1508
01:12:56,053 --> 01:12:58,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on you. So, I mean, must feel

1509
01:12:58,692 --> 01:13:01,452
Speaker 2: so different to be eighty five kjs when you've been

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01:13:01,612 --> 01:13:04,692
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five dropping fifty kgs. And look,

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01:13:04,732 --> 01:13:07,532
Speaker 2: I check out that LinkedIn post because it's it's very

1512
01:13:07,532 --> 01:13:09,973
Speaker 2: open and on. Yeah, and good on your Hamish, And

1513
01:13:09,973 --> 01:13:10,932
Speaker 2: thanks for talking to us today.

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01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:13,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks very much, Hamish. And you're certainly looking good,

1515
01:13:13,612 --> 01:13:15,933
Speaker 3: Nick Now, so we were going to open up the

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01:13:15,933 --> 01:13:18,532
Speaker 3: phone lines to you. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:13:19,133 --> 01:13:21,692
Speaker 3: Hamish has been pretty honest about speaking out about the

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01:13:21,732 --> 01:13:25,013
Speaker 3: surgery that he had to drop that weight and as

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01:13:25,053 --> 01:13:27,852
Speaker 3: he mentioned in the Lincoln Post, probably saved his life.

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01:13:27,853 --> 01:13:30,213
Speaker 3: So can you get your views on this and your stories.

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01:13:30,253 --> 01:13:32,492
Speaker 3: If you've gone the surgery rut I eight hundred eighty

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01:13:32,652 --> 01:13:35,852
Speaker 3: ten eighty, there'll be thousands listening, as I said before,

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01:13:36,093 --> 01:13:38,173
Speaker 3: that have tried everything to lose weight, and we'll get

1524
01:13:38,213 --> 01:13:41,333
Speaker 3: a few techs saying what's wrong with people just doing

1525
01:13:41,372 --> 01:13:43,933
Speaker 3: exercise and changing diet. But that for a lot of

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01:13:43,973 --> 01:13:46,692
Speaker 3: people is just not going to be enough to drop

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01:13:46,692 --> 01:13:47,612
Speaker 3: the weight that is needed.

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01:13:47,732 --> 01:13:48,972
Speaker 5: So keep out your view.

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01:13:49,053 --> 01:13:53,572
Speaker 2: But also if you've dropped fifty kg a different way,

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01:13:53,812 --> 01:13:55,053
Speaker 2: I we'd love to hear from you as well.

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01:13:55,133 --> 01:13:57,613
Speaker 5: Yep, it is thirteen to three bag for surely.

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01:13:59,333 --> 01:14:03,732
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

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01:14:03,732 --> 01:14:06,852
Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said.

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01:14:06,652 --> 01:14:06,812
Speaker 19: Be.

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Speaker 5: Known, Jason, you have had bariatric surgery.

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01:14:12,293 --> 01:14:13,333
Speaker 14: Yes, I certainly have.

1537
01:14:13,812 --> 01:14:16,932
Speaker 5: And are you sorry? Are you going sorry?

1538
01:14:16,933 --> 01:14:18,732
Speaker 14: I was just going to say I was at my

1539
01:14:18,933 --> 01:14:23,932
Speaker 14: heaviest around one hundred and forty five kilos and I

1540
01:14:23,933 --> 01:14:26,612
Speaker 14: had it pretty well, pretty big frame on six for

1541
01:14:26,812 --> 01:14:30,973
Speaker 14: one and I had it around two years ago and

1542
01:14:31,173 --> 01:14:33,972
Speaker 14: I got my smallest I got down to was sixty seven.

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01:14:34,293 --> 01:14:34,652
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:14:35,213 --> 01:14:40,892
Speaker 14: And I'm sitting yeah, that's amazing, And I'm sitting around

1545
01:14:41,173 --> 01:14:42,692
Speaker 14: around eighty five people.

1546
01:14:43,013 --> 01:14:45,052
Speaker 2: Well, what is it like? What is what is different

1547
01:14:45,053 --> 01:14:47,692
Speaker 2: in life when you're pretty much half the man you

1548
01:14:47,812 --> 01:14:48,213
Speaker 2: used to be?

1549
01:14:49,492 --> 01:14:52,092
Speaker 14: Yeah, pretty much lost a whole a whole person. Yeah,

1550
01:14:52,093 --> 01:14:56,412
Speaker 14: but it's you learn a lot about dieting and that

1551
01:14:56,492 --> 01:15:00,652
Speaker 14: sort of stuff, like portions. If we go out for dinner,

1552
01:15:00,692 --> 01:15:03,692
Speaker 14: I'll get a starter and I'll probably have like three

1553
01:15:03,772 --> 01:15:06,892
Speaker 14: or four mouthfuls and take the vest homb Yeah and

1554
01:15:07,692 --> 01:15:12,412
Speaker 14: d I am definitely a cheap date. And the couple

1555
01:15:12,452 --> 01:15:14,892
Speaker 14: of reasons I got it done. I was told by

1556
01:15:14,893 --> 01:15:18,333
Speaker 14: my doctor, just dieting and exercise, I would never I

1557
01:15:18,372 --> 01:15:22,173
Speaker 14: would never get around sort of ninety kg. And you

1558
01:15:22,253 --> 01:15:24,652
Speaker 14: said it was just pretty much not going to happen,

1559
01:15:25,213 --> 01:15:27,852
Speaker 14: And so I went down this route, and it's probably

1560
01:15:27,933 --> 01:15:29,293
Speaker 14: it would be the best thing I've ever done.

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01:15:30,293 --> 01:15:33,772
Speaker 2: When you when you saw that weight, Jason, because you're

1562
01:15:34,333 --> 01:15:36,252
Speaker 2: so what what did you say was your peak.

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01:15:36,093 --> 01:15:39,013
Speaker 14: Weight around one hundred and forty five, So.

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01:15:39,093 --> 01:15:40,892
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty five and then you're down to

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01:15:41,013 --> 01:15:46,172
Speaker 2: sixty So you've lost over half yourself. But but you'd

1566
01:15:46,213 --> 01:15:48,692
Speaker 2: still have quite a bit of that skin, wouldn't wouldn't you?

1567
01:15:49,093 --> 01:15:50,812
Speaker 2: How long did it takes for the skin to come right.

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01:15:51,933 --> 01:15:54,652
Speaker 14: It's there's a bit of loose skin there, but it's

1569
01:15:54,692 --> 01:15:56,133
Speaker 14: not it's not as much as what you'd think.

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01:15:56,213 --> 01:15:56,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

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01:15:58,853 --> 01:16:03,492
Speaker 14: Now, so I'm around eighty five now, yeah, and so yeah,

1572
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:04,892
Speaker 14: you don't really notice it so much.

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01:16:05,173 --> 01:16:06,333
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:16:06,452 --> 01:16:10,213
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's because I I had obstructive of sleep heat

1575
01:16:10,293 --> 01:16:13,052
Speaker 14: here quite severe and I don't know if you guys

1576
01:16:13,093 --> 01:16:15,772
Speaker 14: familiar with that, but I had to sleep with a

1577
01:16:15,853 --> 01:16:18,412
Speaker 14: mask every night and I just had enough of it. Yeah,

1578
01:16:18,572 --> 01:16:21,852
Speaker 14: and within within three weeks of surgery, I have a

1579
01:16:21,893 --> 01:16:25,532
Speaker 14: news con sense. Wow, and I'm completely completely cleared.

1580
01:16:26,612 --> 01:16:29,053
Speaker 2: And so it must be also just getting in and

1581
01:16:29,053 --> 01:16:31,652
Speaker 2: out of cars and such. When you know, if I

1582
01:16:31,692 --> 01:16:35,133
Speaker 2: tried to pick up, say, you know, sixty kgs now

1583
01:16:35,253 --> 01:16:39,532
Speaker 2: sixty one kg blocks of cheese, that would be a

1584
01:16:39,572 --> 01:16:42,333
Speaker 2: decent you know, dead lift.

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01:16:43,572 --> 01:16:46,133
Speaker 14: It's amazing the difference to max and when I when

1586
01:16:46,133 --> 01:16:48,093
Speaker 14: I was actually at the smallest, my wife was actually

1587
01:16:48,133 --> 01:16:50,892
Speaker 14: going out to km out of only kids quotes and

1588
01:16:50,973 --> 01:16:55,213
Speaker 14: I we ring kids T shirts and kids shorts. I'm

1589
01:16:55,213 --> 01:16:58,253
Speaker 14: not quite that bad now. Yeah, so I'm sort of

1590
01:16:58,293 --> 01:17:00,973
Speaker 14: like a small mend and I was. I was a

1591
01:17:01,053 --> 01:17:02,412
Speaker 14: three excel for itself.

1592
01:17:02,973 --> 01:17:07,893
Speaker 2: Wow, indeed, So yeah, something you would recommend if the

1593
01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:12,572
Speaker 2: opportunit comes up to people who have reached those higherways.

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01:17:12,133 --> 01:17:15,732
Speaker 14: Recommend it. Yeah, definitely recommend it. My doctor reckons, I've

1595
01:17:15,732 --> 01:17:17,892
Speaker 14: probably edited twelve to fifty years of my life.

1596
01:17:18,213 --> 01:17:23,173
Speaker 2: Wow, so dead alone. Yeah, good on you, Jason, and

1597
01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:24,452
Speaker 2: thanks for bringing and ensuring that.

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01:17:24,532 --> 01:17:25,972
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is incredible.

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01:17:26,013 --> 01:17:27,452
Speaker 3: I mean when you see it one hundred and forty

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Speaker 3: five down to sixty seven seventy eight kilos, that is phenomenal.

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01:17:31,452 --> 01:17:32,932
Speaker 5: Isn't it a whole human?

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01:17:33,093 --> 01:17:33,372
Speaker 9: I know?

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01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:35,812
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is and aumble to call.

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01:17:35,853 --> 01:17:37,372
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts and if you managed to

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01:17:37,372 --> 01:17:39,772
Speaker 3: lose weight without the surgery, keen to hear from you

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 5: It is seven to three the issues.

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Speaker 4: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

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Speaker 2: That's certain. Glad to have you. But I think our

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Speaker 2: washing pants chat would have also been meaningful.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's big questions to be asked about how

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01:18:16,812 --> 01:18:18,452
Speaker 3: how often you should wash your trousers.

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Speaker 2: Governant is weighty, but it's like washing your pants more

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Speaker 2: than twice a week is also a weighty topic.

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Speaker 3: Exactly the big questions. Right, we are going to carry

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Speaker 3: this conversation on.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of weighty topics, we can send you this conversation.

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Speaker 5: Around bariatric surgery. Yeah, keen on your thoughts. Great segway.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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01:18:42,333 --> 01:18:45,612
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk.

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Speaker 5: Sabby Afternoon to you, welcome back into the show.

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01:18:49,213 --> 01:18:51,412
Speaker 3: Great to have your company as always, and been having

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01:18:51,412 --> 01:18:54,333
Speaker 3: a great discussion about buriatric surgery on the back of

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Speaker 3: Hamish Mackay, well no and broadcaster currently a real estate agent,

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01:18:58,812 --> 01:19:00,772
Speaker 3: but hell of a nice guy. He had a very

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01:19:00,772 --> 01:19:04,213
Speaker 3: honest LinkedIn post where he and he went down the

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01:19:04,293 --> 01:19:08,133
Speaker 3: baryatric surgery route after trying for many years to lose

1638
01:19:08,133 --> 01:19:11,412
Speaker 3: weight via exercise and diet didn't work, and he said

1639
01:19:11,492 --> 01:19:12,932
Speaker 3: in the post that it saved his life.

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01:19:13,013 --> 01:19:18,293
Speaker 2: He lost fifty kgs, which is essentially a person. Yeah,

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01:19:18,452 --> 01:19:20,532
Speaker 2: I know people that less than fifty kgs. So he's

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01:19:20,532 --> 01:19:23,213
Speaker 2: lost in more than persons. And we've had other people

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01:19:23,213 --> 01:19:26,492
Speaker 2: don't think Mark was it Mark Colden he'd lost sixty

1644
01:19:26,492 --> 01:19:27,572
Speaker 2: five kg's doing it.

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01:19:27,692 --> 01:19:29,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I ran us seventy eight kilo, So he

1646
01:19:29,772 --> 01:19:32,012
Speaker 3: went from at one point he was at one hundred

1647
01:19:32,013 --> 01:19:35,253
Speaker 3: and forty five kilo got down to sixty seven kilograms.

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01:19:35,532 --> 01:19:37,812
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that your life must be so different,

1649
01:19:37,812 --> 01:19:40,213
Speaker 2: as I was saying before. You know, if you were

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01:19:40,692 --> 01:19:43,772
Speaker 2: walking up a mountain, right and you were carrying an

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01:19:43,853 --> 01:19:47,612
Speaker 2: extra five blocks of cheese, five kgs of cheese, that

1652
01:19:47,612 --> 01:19:50,372
Speaker 2: would affect your walk up the mountain materially.

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01:19:50,973 --> 01:19:51,653
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1654
01:19:51,893 --> 01:19:55,852
Speaker 2: Then think about carrying sixty one kg blocks of cheese.

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01:19:55,933 --> 01:19:58,612
Speaker 5: Yep, I would give up after ten meters Like this

1656
01:19:58,652 --> 01:19:59,452
Speaker 5: is not And.

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01:19:59,492 --> 01:20:01,772
Speaker 2: Yet if you're running that kind of weight, one hundred

1658
01:20:01,812 --> 01:20:04,892
Speaker 2: and thirty five kegs, you're carrying around that all the time,

1659
01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:08,213
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty five kegs. So everything involves that.

1660
01:20:08,652 --> 01:20:11,772
Speaker 2: Everything climbing in and out of your car, you know,

1661
01:20:12,053 --> 01:20:15,452
Speaker 2: walking around a grocery store doing whatever, whatever you do.

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01:20:15,492 --> 01:20:17,173
Speaker 2: You've got to be carrying that extra wait, and it

1663
01:20:17,253 --> 01:20:20,212
Speaker 2: must be just not only a you know, a stress

1664
01:20:20,253 --> 01:20:26,253
Speaker 2: builder because but also like just you know, terrible on

1665
01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:27,132
Speaker 2: the organs.

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01:20:27,213 --> 01:20:27,452
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:20:27,452 --> 01:20:31,132
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And as Hamish mcquaye pointed out in his LinkedIn post,

1668
01:20:31,333 --> 01:20:35,052
Speaker 3: as doctor effectively said to him, you are too fat

1669
01:20:35,133 --> 01:20:37,772
Speaker 3: and if you don't lose weight, then there's a potential

1670
01:20:37,812 --> 01:20:40,412
Speaker 3: that your health is going to deteriorate very very fast.

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01:20:40,532 --> 01:20:44,132
Speaker 3: And he undertook the surgery and he feels a million bucks.

1672
01:20:44,173 --> 01:20:50,172
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, incredible, Chris. You lost seventy eight kgs without surgery.

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01:20:50,173 --> 01:20:51,133
Speaker 2: How did you go about it?

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01:20:52,772 --> 01:20:53,012
Speaker 12: Yeah?

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01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:56,413
Speaker 25: So I decided to make a change when I had kids,

1676
01:20:56,732 --> 01:21:00,612
Speaker 25: and I did diet and exercise, but I became pretty

1677
01:21:00,612 --> 01:21:05,013
Speaker 25: obsessed with it and then I got pretty light. But

1678
01:21:05,532 --> 01:21:09,372
Speaker 25: losing weight doesn't prepare you for all the emotional stuff

1679
01:21:09,612 --> 01:21:10,372
Speaker 25: that changes.

1680
01:21:10,412 --> 01:21:10,772
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1681
01:21:10,772 --> 01:21:15,572
Speaker 25: I think there's lots that doesn't get talked about weight loss.

1682
01:21:15,692 --> 01:21:15,932
Speaker 9: Yep.

1683
01:21:17,093 --> 01:21:20,492
Speaker 25: And so I've actually put all that weight back on

1684
01:21:20,572 --> 01:21:21,572
Speaker 25: plus five killers.

1685
01:21:21,612 --> 01:21:25,532
Speaker 2: So oh okay, So Chris, where did you start at?

1686
01:21:26,652 --> 01:21:30,372
Speaker 25: I was about one hundred and fifty sixty, probably one

1687
01:21:30,452 --> 01:21:34,253
Speaker 25: hundred and sixty, got down to about eighty three five.

1688
01:21:36,053 --> 01:21:39,812
Speaker 25: And I mean I used mirror replacement shakes and did

1689
01:21:39,853 --> 01:21:43,253
Speaker 25: a bunch of things, but just became obsessed with the gym, yep.

1690
01:21:43,692 --> 01:21:45,972
Speaker 25: And how long.

1691
01:21:45,812 --> 01:21:47,612
Speaker 2: Did it How long did it take you to lose

1692
01:21:47,692 --> 01:21:48,572
Speaker 2: that amount of weight?

1693
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,972
Speaker 25: It's, Chris, about eighteen months, two years.

1694
01:21:52,173 --> 01:21:53,893
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's really quick. I mean, you were you

1695
01:21:54,333 --> 01:21:56,492
Speaker 2: were dropping kg's at quite a quite a rate at

1696
01:21:56,532 --> 01:21:56,972
Speaker 2: that point.

1697
01:21:58,053 --> 01:22:02,133
Speaker 25: But like effects effects every air of your life. You know,

1698
01:22:02,173 --> 01:22:05,492
Speaker 25: you like your relationships, the way you see yourself, the

1699
01:22:05,572 --> 01:22:09,973
Speaker 25: way others see you, And I wasn't emotionally prepared for that,

1700
01:22:10,093 --> 01:22:16,572
Speaker 25: and so then things change and you make poor choices,

1701
01:22:16,692 --> 01:22:18,973
Speaker 25: and shame creeps in, and then it compounds and then

1702
01:22:19,013 --> 01:22:19,732
Speaker 25: you go backwards.

1703
01:22:19,973 --> 01:22:22,772
Speaker 2: So you're saying, so, Chris, you're saying that when you

1704
01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:27,492
Speaker 2: were down at you know, eighty three kgs, that was hard.

1705
01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:30,492
Speaker 2: How people were seeing you, people treating you.

1706
01:22:32,053 --> 01:22:34,013
Speaker 25: When you've lived your life as a big person or

1707
01:22:34,013 --> 01:22:36,932
Speaker 25: your life, you don't you're not used to the attention

1708
01:22:38,053 --> 01:22:40,293
Speaker 25: as a as a married person, you're not used to

1709
01:22:42,093 --> 01:22:45,892
Speaker 25: different things. The other complications that come with that, like

1710
01:22:47,053 --> 01:22:50,652
Speaker 25: the way your partner sees you, because you've always been

1711
01:22:50,652 --> 01:22:52,852
Speaker 25: a bigger one and now they've got body issues because

1712
01:22:53,333 --> 01:22:56,532
Speaker 25: the way that you are in relation to them.

1713
01:22:57,013 --> 01:22:59,812
Speaker 2: Well, it's almost it's almost like coming a completely different

1714
01:22:59,893 --> 01:23:02,732
Speaker 2: looking human being. You take up a different amount of space,

1715
01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:08,333
Speaker 2: you wear, completely different things you like from the outside.

1716
01:23:08,532 --> 01:23:10,652
Speaker 2: You've become a different person in a way, Chris, Is

1717
01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:11,213
Speaker 2: that what you say?

1718
01:23:12,133 --> 01:23:16,692
Speaker 25: Absolutely different circles of people you associate with. Different people

1719
01:23:16,732 --> 01:23:20,853
Speaker 25: show interest or choose to be in friendships or relationships

1720
01:23:20,893 --> 01:23:23,253
Speaker 25: with you because you now looks something different.

1721
01:23:23,933 --> 01:23:27,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how long did you stuck to stay around

1722
01:23:27,973 --> 01:23:29,772
Speaker 2: at that sort of eighty three kg?

1723
01:23:29,933 --> 01:23:30,133
Speaker 9: Wait?

1724
01:23:30,213 --> 01:23:32,813
Speaker 18: Chris, Oh, probably.

1725
01:23:33,893 --> 01:23:37,012
Speaker 25: Six to nine months and over a course of about

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01:23:37,053 --> 01:23:40,133
Speaker 25: three years. I've put all of that back, right, and

1727
01:23:40,173 --> 01:23:42,053
Speaker 25: now I consider the option of you know, as a

1728
01:23:42,173 --> 01:23:45,213
Speaker 25: very extra surgery option and option. I'm in that like

1729
01:23:45,452 --> 01:23:48,333
Speaker 25: contemplative phase of making change again.

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01:23:48,812 --> 01:23:49,772
Speaker 2: How old are you, Chris?

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01:23:50,732 --> 01:23:51,612
Speaker 25: I'm thirty six?

1732
01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:52,293
Speaker 9: Right?

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01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:53,852
Speaker 5: Why did you put it back on?

1734
01:23:53,893 --> 01:23:54,053
Speaker 9: Can?

1735
01:23:54,093 --> 01:23:55,893
Speaker 5: I ask Chris? Was it?

1736
01:23:55,933 --> 01:23:58,412
Speaker 3: Was there something that happened in your life that put

1737
01:23:58,452 --> 01:24:00,852
Speaker 3: you back on that wagon or it just slowly crept

1738
01:24:00,933 --> 01:24:01,452
Speaker 3: up on you.

1739
01:24:02,173 --> 01:24:04,492
Speaker 25: I Mean, I think some of the COVID stuff didn't help,

1740
01:24:05,013 --> 01:24:12,093
Speaker 25: But it's probably emotional stuff and the other challenges and

1741
01:24:12,572 --> 01:24:16,372
Speaker 25: like personal lives that that makes you feel bad about yourself,

1742
01:24:16,412 --> 01:24:18,532
Speaker 25: which is probably why you've become an overeater in the

1743
01:24:18,572 --> 01:24:23,093
Speaker 25: first place and ill disciplined because eating feels good, so

1744
01:24:23,372 --> 01:24:26,933
Speaker 25: like you find comfort in something or you find a

1745
01:24:27,013 --> 01:24:31,852
Speaker 25: reward and food and that takes you back to where

1746
01:24:31,853 --> 01:24:32,253
Speaker 25: you work.

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01:24:33,612 --> 01:24:36,652
Speaker 2: Right, and now you're back up there and you know

1748
01:24:36,772 --> 01:24:39,012
Speaker 2: you took lost seventy eight but you put on eighty.

1749
01:24:39,213 --> 01:24:41,412
Speaker 2: How does that make you feel after all that work

1750
01:24:41,452 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 2: you put in to be sort of back where you are.

1751
01:24:44,452 --> 01:24:46,973
Speaker 25: It's very shameful because I was very public about the

1752
01:24:47,013 --> 01:24:50,933
Speaker 25: transformation I made. Yeah, and so every time, like I

1753
01:24:51,213 --> 01:24:53,852
Speaker 25: don't even necessarily take photos of myself and put them

1754
01:24:53,853 --> 01:24:58,293
Speaker 25: anywhere these days. But yeah, it's been interesting. I just

1755
01:24:58,333 --> 01:25:02,333
Speaker 25: appreciated hearing the interview and it's probably helped.

1756
01:25:02,652 --> 01:25:07,012
Speaker 2: Has your relationship Has your relationship survived through the weight

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01:25:07,093 --> 01:25:09,532
Speaker 2: loss and then and then returning to where you were?

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01:25:10,572 --> 01:25:10,932
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1759
01:25:11,053 --> 01:25:14,893
Speaker 25: Absolutely, but not without challenging.

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01:25:14,692 --> 01:25:17,892
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and so so as the bariatric

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01:25:17,973 --> 01:25:21,052
Speaker 2: surgery an option for you that that has been raised

1762
01:25:21,093 --> 01:25:23,532
Speaker 2: by by a doctor or anything because if you're thirty six, right,

1763
01:25:24,293 --> 01:25:27,573
Speaker 2: you know, once you start getting into your forties and fifties,

1764
01:25:28,253 --> 01:25:30,132
Speaker 2: you know, that's probably a good time to start getting

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01:25:30,692 --> 01:25:33,333
Speaker 2: a little bit more healthy healthy. If you know my.

1766
01:25:34,933 --> 01:25:37,733
Speaker 25: Previous pe teacher, I follow him on Facebook and he

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01:25:37,893 --> 01:25:40,333
Speaker 25: had surgery and he's had a great success from it.

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01:25:40,812 --> 01:25:44,293
Speaker 25: And I've watched on and you know, the eyes open

1769
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:46,532
Speaker 25: to it and think, you know, potentially that is a

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01:25:46,572 --> 01:25:49,732
Speaker 25: good option down the track. I have the sleep out

1771
01:25:49,812 --> 01:25:53,492
Speaker 25: now I used the mask, can identify with that stuff. Hmm,

1772
01:25:54,412 --> 01:25:56,333
Speaker 25: I'm starting to see complications outsides.

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01:25:56,692 --> 01:26:00,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just on when you lost the weight, Chris,

1774
01:26:00,173 --> 01:26:03,452
Speaker 3: did you feel happier as a person when you lost

1775
01:26:03,452 --> 01:26:06,293
Speaker 3: that weight? Did that fix some of the things that

1776
01:26:06,372 --> 01:26:07,892
Speaker 3: were you know.

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01:26:08,333 --> 01:26:11,053
Speaker 25: I was self absorbed, like I thought. I thought I

1778
01:26:11,093 --> 01:26:14,972
Speaker 25: was a king. I thought that. I mean, I felt great,

1779
01:26:15,013 --> 01:26:18,253
Speaker 25: I felt like a million bucks. But I was getting

1780
01:26:18,293 --> 01:26:22,293
Speaker 25: all this external praise and kudos from people. It wasn't

1781
01:26:22,612 --> 01:26:27,172
Speaker 25: a settled internal me. It was everyone saying, oh, you're amazing.

1782
01:26:27,812 --> 01:26:30,892
Speaker 25: But that's that comes and goes. The way I see

1783
01:26:30,933 --> 01:26:32,892
Speaker 25: myself is more important as what I've learned.

1784
01:26:33,093 --> 01:26:37,012
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I mean the reason find measure. Yeah,

1785
01:26:37,133 --> 01:26:37,973
Speaker 5: the reason I asked that.

1786
01:26:38,053 --> 01:26:42,012
Speaker 3: I imagine just hearing you that making sure your mental

1787
01:26:42,053 --> 01:26:44,293
Speaker 3: health is at a good place must be a key

1788
01:26:44,412 --> 01:26:47,652
Speaker 3: part of of the bariatric surgery route. That you've got

1789
01:26:47,652 --> 01:26:50,213
Speaker 3: to make sure that the mental game is there as

1790
01:26:50,253 --> 01:26:52,213
Speaker 3: well as the physical before you undertake that.

1791
01:26:53,293 --> 01:26:56,333
Speaker 25: I think so. I think it's I think it's something

1792
01:26:56,372 --> 01:26:58,652
Speaker 25: to be considered that you may not realize as you

1793
01:26:58,772 --> 01:27:00,692
Speaker 25: journey through it. And I wish people well who choose

1794
01:27:00,933 --> 01:27:04,812
Speaker 25: whatever route to get their health good and I find mine.

1795
01:27:05,612 --> 01:27:07,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, I well, thank you so much, Grist, and thank

1796
01:27:07,532 --> 01:27:11,732
Speaker 2: you being so open and honest about it. Yeah, it's

1797
01:27:11,732 --> 01:27:13,772
Speaker 2: funny when he talked about losing that weight and the

1798
01:27:14,452 --> 01:27:18,412
Speaker 2: attention that he was getting from the opposite sex all.

1799
01:27:18,253 --> 01:27:22,133
Speaker 5: Of a sudden, Yeah, it's called cheating. Weaight, cheating weight.

1800
01:27:22,732 --> 01:27:25,333
Speaker 2: I've been accused by my friends of trying to hit

1801
01:27:25,412 --> 01:27:25,972
Speaker 2: cheating weight.

1802
01:27:26,093 --> 01:27:26,293
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1803
01:27:26,372 --> 01:27:28,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you've been doing pretty well, you know, if

1804
01:27:28,812 --> 01:27:33,013
Speaker 3: I can say you've been on a bit of a

1805
01:27:33,053 --> 01:27:35,372
Speaker 3: health cack, shall we say, and you've lost a few

1806
01:27:35,452 --> 01:27:36,133
Speaker 3: fear for you killer.

1807
01:27:36,372 --> 01:27:39,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm barfaires Maneah. Yeah, I've got a hot bot

1808
01:27:41,452 --> 01:27:44,372
Speaker 2: if anyone anyone wants me to send some pictures. I

1809
01:27:44,372 --> 01:27:46,012
Speaker 2: won't just send me your text number and I'll slide

1810
01:27:46,053 --> 01:27:47,932
Speaker 2: into your send you some picks.

1811
01:27:48,053 --> 01:27:49,732
Speaker 5: Yeah, and nineteen nine two we'll get you in the

1812
01:27:50,053 --> 01:27:50,652
Speaker 5: waiting list.

1813
01:27:50,853 --> 01:27:51,093
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1814
01:27:51,612 --> 01:27:54,053
Speaker 3: I one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1815
01:27:54,093 --> 01:27:56,293
Speaker 3: call if you managed to lose weight without the surgery.

1816
01:27:56,333 --> 01:27:57,053
Speaker 5: Love to hear from you.

1817
01:27:57,093 --> 01:27:59,932
Speaker 3: But if you are looking at going down that route,

1818
01:27:59,973 --> 01:28:02,093
Speaker 3: really keen to ever chat with you. Oh, one hundred

1819
01:28:02,133 --> 01:28:04,053
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call. It

1820
01:28:04,213 --> 01:28:09,213
Speaker 3: is sixteen past three, Very good afternoon, and we have

1821
01:28:09,372 --> 01:28:12,972
Speaker 3: been talking about bariatric surgery. This is after Hamish mcquai,

1822
01:28:13,013 --> 01:28:16,692
Speaker 3: well known sports broadcast and currently in real estate, but

1823
01:28:16,692 --> 01:28:19,053
Speaker 3: he shared a very honest post on Instagram that he

1824
01:28:19,133 --> 01:28:22,093
Speaker 3: undertook the surgery after years of trying to lose the

1825
01:28:22,133 --> 01:28:25,132
Speaker 3: weight couldn't and he credited it with saving his life.

1826
01:28:25,213 --> 01:28:28,213
Speaker 3: So ken to get your journey when it comes to

1827
01:28:28,333 --> 01:28:30,932
Speaker 3: weight loss. If you managed to lose a considerable amount

1828
01:28:31,013 --> 01:28:33,293
Speaker 3: of weight without the surgery, I one hundred eighty ten eighty,

1829
01:28:33,333 --> 01:28:34,013
Speaker 3: we want to hear from you.

1830
01:28:34,133 --> 01:28:37,372
Speaker 2: Speaking posts, the Premiere Premier's plate just came in here,

1831
01:28:37,412 --> 01:28:41,213
Speaker 2: it did, Yeah, the A League plate. So speaking of

1832
01:28:41,253 --> 01:28:44,572
Speaker 2: posts on busily putting a post up on Instagram about it.

1833
01:28:44,612 --> 01:28:46,612
Speaker 5: Tyler, Well, they did look for you, or they said,

1834
01:28:46,652 --> 01:28:48,692
Speaker 5: where is Matt Heath. I've got a plate here.

1835
01:28:48,973 --> 01:28:51,932
Speaker 2: At news Talk z B and Tyler Adams end zi it. Yeah,

1836
01:28:52,013 --> 01:28:54,372
Speaker 2: you want to see this amazing picture, go to Matt

1837
01:28:54,412 --> 01:28:55,772
Speaker 2: Heath in ZID on Insta.

1838
01:28:55,893 --> 01:28:57,053
Speaker 5: It's a good looking plate, doesn't it.

1839
01:28:57,133 --> 01:28:58,892
Speaker 2: Jeez, we look good with that plate. Far rut.

1840
01:28:58,893 --> 01:29:01,213
Speaker 5: That was a good photo anyway. Anyway, Weight loss Surgery

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01:29:01,253 --> 01:29:01,372
Speaker 5: I e.

1842
01:29:01,452 --> 01:29:05,972
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty some great texts coming through gents.

1843
01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:08,412
Speaker 3: I tried several weight loss fairs. The only thing that

1844
01:29:08,532 --> 01:29:15,293
Speaker 3: worked for me is calorie counting shredded circa sorry circa

1845
01:29:15,333 --> 01:29:18,612
Speaker 3: fifteen kilograms. Have managed to keep it for three years now.

1846
01:29:18,612 --> 01:29:21,973
Speaker 3: It's hard though, with work and family life, having to

1847
01:29:22,013 --> 01:29:24,892
Speaker 3: manage time, et cetera. But I'd find that it's not

1848
01:29:25,093 --> 01:29:27,173
Speaker 3: second nature to keep a running telly over a week.

1849
01:29:27,412 --> 01:29:27,772
Speaker 9: It's good.

1850
01:29:27,812 --> 01:29:29,612
Speaker 3: I mean, if you lose fifteen kilo and you can

1851
01:29:29,692 --> 01:29:32,132
Speaker 3: keep at it for three years, that's a very solid effort.

1852
01:29:32,173 --> 01:29:35,133
Speaker 2: This text says no need for a stomach staple, just

1853
01:29:35,253 --> 01:29:39,132
Speaker 2: eat nothing but steak. I've lost forty two kg. Carnival diet,

1854
01:29:39,253 --> 01:29:43,933
Speaker 2: just eating steak, steak and nothing else. Tiffany, welcome to

1855
01:29:43,933 --> 01:29:46,612
Speaker 2: the show. You lost thirty two kg without surgery. How

1856
01:29:46,652 --> 01:29:47,133
Speaker 2: do you do that?

1857
01:29:48,053 --> 01:29:52,852
Speaker 26: I did? Yeah, I starts doing optifast for a few weeks.

1858
01:29:52,973 --> 01:29:55,293
Speaker 26: The lost a lot of weight quite quickly with that.

1859
01:29:55,333 --> 01:29:56,173
Speaker 2: What's that?

1860
01:29:56,652 --> 01:30:02,212
Speaker 10: What's optifast one of the shakes a right, yep, systems

1861
01:30:02,213 --> 01:30:02,812
Speaker 10: that you can do.

1862
01:30:03,412 --> 01:30:05,572
Speaker 26: But I still had this evening meal with that, and

1863
01:30:05,612 --> 01:30:07,293
Speaker 26: I sort of cheated a weave it because you meant

1864
01:30:07,652 --> 01:30:09,852
Speaker 26: it was water. But I always had it with milk.

1865
01:30:09,973 --> 01:30:12,012
Speaker 26: But I was losing weight, so I didn't really care,

1866
01:30:13,053 --> 01:30:15,652
Speaker 26: and the personal trainer was going to the gym a lot,

1867
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:20,013
Speaker 26: and yeah, lost lost all that weight and kept it

1868
01:30:20,053 --> 01:30:23,973
Speaker 26: off for a couple of years. Another reason that I

1869
01:30:24,013 --> 01:30:26,012
Speaker 26: lost it was because I've broken my back and having

1870
01:30:26,013 --> 01:30:26,732
Speaker 26: a lot of back.

1871
01:30:26,612 --> 01:30:28,612
Speaker 27: Is shoes, right, and the surgeon.

1872
01:30:28,532 --> 01:30:31,892
Speaker 26: The surgeon said to me, every kilo that you lose

1873
01:30:32,213 --> 01:30:36,012
Speaker 26: is equivalent of seven kilos of pressure on the base

1874
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:36,732
Speaker 26: of your spine.

1875
01:30:36,933 --> 01:30:37,492
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.

1876
01:30:38,853 --> 01:30:41,772
Speaker 26: I've got up to one hundred and three kilos after

1877
01:30:41,772 --> 01:30:46,812
Speaker 26: breaking my back, and then got down to sixty eight

1878
01:30:47,213 --> 01:30:49,053
Speaker 26: sixty nine, which was sort of a bit of a

1879
01:30:49,053 --> 01:30:52,932
Speaker 26: struggle to stay there. And now I'm sitting on around

1880
01:30:52,933 --> 01:30:57,412
Speaker 26: seventy two seventy three and it's been two years. I'm

1881
01:30:57,412 --> 01:31:01,253
Speaker 26: not making the gym, so it's been healthy.

1882
01:31:01,492 --> 01:31:03,732
Speaker 2: So have you remained on the shake? So you've just

1883
01:31:03,812 --> 01:31:07,333
Speaker 2: transitioned into normal.

1884
01:31:08,572 --> 01:31:11,133
Speaker 26: Normal, and I'm going to take for about a year.

1885
01:31:11,572 --> 01:31:13,772
Speaker 2: How different is your life? I mean, obviously it's a

1886
01:31:13,772 --> 01:31:18,253
Speaker 2: lot better on your back injury, but how much how

1887
01:31:18,293 --> 01:31:21,013
Speaker 2: different is your life being thirty two kgs.

1888
01:31:20,692 --> 01:31:25,052
Speaker 21: Lighter like the gentlemen before.

1889
01:31:25,412 --> 01:31:27,812
Speaker 26: The mental side of that I found really hard to

1890
01:31:27,853 --> 01:31:31,412
Speaker 26: adjust to, you know, as you said, the extra tens

1891
01:31:31,532 --> 01:31:34,253
Speaker 26: that you get, not from the opposite sex or anything

1892
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:39,132
Speaker 26: like that, but just the compliments in general from Fambien's friends.

1893
01:31:39,933 --> 01:31:42,012
Speaker 26: But when I looked in the mirror, I still saw

1894
01:31:43,372 --> 01:31:48,133
Speaker 26: my previous body size. So it took a while because

1895
01:31:48,133 --> 01:31:50,253
Speaker 26: I needed to get a new butterbe it took quite

1896
01:31:50,253 --> 01:31:53,772
Speaker 26: some time to be able to adjust to what I

1897
01:31:53,812 --> 01:31:57,572
Speaker 26: could win now versus what I was were and being

1898
01:31:57,572 --> 01:31:58,412
Speaker 26: comfortable enough.

1899
01:31:59,333 --> 01:32:02,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so is it a struggle for you to

1900
01:32:02,572 --> 01:32:04,213
Speaker 2: remain at a lower Wait?

1901
01:32:05,652 --> 01:32:10,133
Speaker 26: No, no, no, I've found it not a problem at all. Yeah,

1902
01:32:10,173 --> 01:32:12,572
Speaker 26: I've stopped going to the gym, But I am walking

1903
01:32:13,532 --> 01:32:19,452
Speaker 26: with my dog and just eating, just eating healthier in general.

1904
01:32:19,572 --> 01:32:22,612
Speaker 26: But yes, weird. Since I've lost all the weight, I'm

1905
01:32:22,612 --> 01:32:26,812
Speaker 26: finding it actually easier to day at the new weight.

1906
01:32:27,812 --> 01:32:30,093
Speaker 3: This might sound like a facetious question to any but

1907
01:32:30,133 --> 01:32:33,213
Speaker 3: it's generally not. Did did you find initially that you

1908
01:32:33,293 --> 01:32:35,372
Speaker 3: felt like a bit of the joy was sucked out

1909
01:32:35,372 --> 01:32:38,532
Speaker 3: of life? Was there that transition why you were doing

1910
01:32:38,572 --> 01:32:41,133
Speaker 3: these diets and trying to eat a bit healthier and

1911
01:32:41,133 --> 01:32:43,012
Speaker 3: getting off the sugar and fat and all that.

1912
01:32:42,772 --> 01:32:43,772
Speaker 5: That tasty stuff.

1913
01:32:44,053 --> 01:32:45,892
Speaker 3: Was that an element to it until you found a

1914
01:32:45,973 --> 01:32:47,732
Speaker 3: nice transition that that worked for you?

1915
01:32:48,893 --> 01:32:51,652
Speaker 26: Not really, because the shapes were so sweet. I found

1916
01:32:51,692 --> 01:32:53,173
Speaker 26: the shapes really sweet.

1917
01:32:53,812 --> 01:32:53,892
Speaker 12: And.

1918
01:32:55,372 --> 01:32:57,572
Speaker 26: You could have there were other things you could have,

1919
01:32:57,612 --> 01:33:00,772
Speaker 26: like music, chocolate, musy bars and things like that that

1920
01:33:01,173 --> 01:33:05,572
Speaker 26: were provided on this on the salty fast that I

1921
01:33:05,652 --> 01:33:08,612
Speaker 26: was doing, so I never felt that I was saying

1922
01:33:08,772 --> 01:33:12,052
Speaker 26: the sweet The sweet stuff is also moose for chocolate

1923
01:33:12,093 --> 01:33:14,173
Speaker 26: roosts that you could do for desserts and things like

1924
01:33:14,213 --> 01:33:19,532
Speaker 26: that and life. Yeah, my sweet clathings were being Are

1925
01:33:19,572 --> 01:33:22,412
Speaker 26: you still indulged with this program?

1926
01:33:22,532 --> 01:33:25,333
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well good on you, Tiffany. Thanks for ringing and sharing,

1927
01:33:25,452 --> 01:33:27,893
Speaker 2: so three two kgs just on the shakes, yeah, and

1928
01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:31,372
Speaker 2: then eating just an AMD right now and holding steady.

1929
01:33:32,013 --> 01:33:35,133
Speaker 2: This person that's not eating it diet says, I also

1930
01:33:35,293 --> 01:33:38,652
Speaker 2: ate nothing but steak and eggs. Well that's more than

1931
01:33:38,652 --> 01:33:40,492
Speaker 2: the other person that was just eating steak. So you

1932
01:33:40,652 --> 01:33:43,173
Speaker 2: ate nothing but steak and eggs. Steak and eggs one

1933
01:33:43,173 --> 01:33:45,612
Speaker 2: of the great meal O beautiful food. Yeah, kind of

1934
01:33:45,612 --> 01:33:47,812
Speaker 2: better with the fries. Butlet's you've got to stay away

1935
01:33:47,812 --> 01:33:50,612
Speaker 2: from those in this diet. Lost sixteen kg and joint

1936
01:33:50,612 --> 01:33:52,212
Speaker 2: pain is completely gone.

1937
01:33:52,372 --> 01:33:52,572
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1938
01:33:52,612 --> 01:33:56,173
Speaker 2: Those that are the big supporters of the Carnival diet,

1939
01:33:57,372 --> 01:34:02,533
Speaker 2: they tout, you know, it's you know, effects on your inflammation.

1940
01:34:02,772 --> 01:34:05,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they say very inflammation.

1941
01:34:05,133 --> 01:34:07,293
Speaker 2: That's the big is the big, big problem.

1942
01:34:07,372 --> 01:34:07,532
Speaker 9: Now.

1943
01:34:07,692 --> 01:34:09,612
Speaker 3: I love steak as much as the next feller, but

1944
01:34:09,652 --> 01:34:12,132
Speaker 3: genuine questions, you would you not get sick of steak

1945
01:34:12,412 --> 01:34:13,492
Speaker 3: every night?

1946
01:34:14,213 --> 01:34:16,492
Speaker 2: I fill it and then a Scotch state the next night. Well,

1947
01:34:16,492 --> 01:34:19,612
Speaker 2: I guess it depends how much what you have on it.

1948
01:34:20,013 --> 01:34:23,492
Speaker 2: Do you have like a nice mushroom sauce one night? Yeah,

1949
01:34:23,572 --> 01:34:26,572
Speaker 2: you have gravy the next night. Although people text on

1950
01:34:26,652 --> 01:34:29,013
Speaker 2: and some people are disgusted when you say, gravy on

1951
01:34:29,053 --> 01:34:31,173
Speaker 2: your steak. I like it. Bit of gravy steak.

1952
01:34:31,213 --> 01:34:33,132
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you got to drown there, bead boy, gallic

1953
01:34:33,173 --> 01:34:34,173
Speaker 5: butter on it the next night.

1954
01:34:34,612 --> 01:34:38,052
Speaker 2: That also just have to be straight steak in nothing else.

1955
01:34:38,133 --> 01:34:40,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're on the Carnival diet, I eight hundred

1956
01:34:40,133 --> 01:34:43,652
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. It is twenty five past three. Back

1957
01:34:43,652 --> 01:34:45,093
Speaker 3: with more of your cause real shortly.

1958
01:34:49,372 --> 01:34:53,052
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1959
01:34:53,093 --> 01:34:54,973
Speaker 1: ten eighty on used talk ZV.

1960
01:34:55,213 --> 01:34:57,612
Speaker 3: Twenty seven past three. Few people coming through on the

1961
01:34:57,652 --> 01:35:00,213
Speaker 3: old Carnival diet. Apparently steak and salt only.

1962
01:35:00,652 --> 01:35:05,052
Speaker 2: This person's only nothing but chicken for the last seven years, cheaper. See,

1963
01:35:05,093 --> 01:35:09,293
Speaker 2: this is what I believe, right, And I've often gone

1964
01:35:09,293 --> 01:35:11,732
Speaker 2: on crazy things that I've tried over the years.

1965
01:35:11,812 --> 01:35:12,012
Speaker 4: Yep.

1966
01:35:12,893 --> 01:35:15,572
Speaker 2: And you know, someone said to me once, if you're

1967
01:35:15,572 --> 01:35:16,892
Speaker 2: going to go on a diet, make sure it's one

1968
01:35:16,893 --> 01:35:18,333
Speaker 2: that you can eat for the rest of your life. Yep,

1969
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:21,412
Speaker 2: because you know all very well. And we've talked to

1970
01:35:21,452 --> 01:35:23,652
Speaker 2: a couple of people. They've lost sixty kg or whatever,

1971
01:35:23,853 --> 01:35:26,213
Speaker 2: thirty kg whatever, and then they've put it right back on.

1972
01:35:26,492 --> 01:35:29,333
Speaker 2: Because when you're not just going hard in that sort

1973
01:35:29,333 --> 01:35:33,452
Speaker 2: of incredibly intense way and you just go back to

1974
01:35:33,452 --> 01:35:35,652
Speaker 2: your natural way. Then you put it all back on right,

1975
01:35:35,692 --> 01:35:37,333
Speaker 2: So you have to come up with something that is

1976
01:35:37,452 --> 01:35:42,093
Speaker 2: going to change you forever, which I guess bariatric surgery does. Yep,

1977
01:35:42,412 --> 01:35:46,333
Speaker 2: very true, changes you forever. Phil, welcome the show.

1978
01:35:48,492 --> 01:35:48,772
Speaker 9: How you do?

1979
01:35:49,253 --> 01:35:50,812
Speaker 2: Very good? Phil, better since you've called in.

1980
01:35:52,893 --> 01:35:56,013
Speaker 27: Very kind of you to say so, sir, and Tyler gated.

1981
01:35:55,772 --> 01:35:58,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, mate, I'm very happy also that you've called it.

1982
01:35:58,053 --> 01:35:59,532
Speaker 2: Mate, I don't worry about that. I don't bring Tyler

1983
01:35:59,532 --> 01:36:01,012
Speaker 2: into this, Phil.

1984
01:36:01,692 --> 01:36:07,293
Speaker 27: Sorry, No, I was listening right at the start there,

1985
01:36:07,412 --> 01:36:11,013
Speaker 27: and I was I just called into say I was

1986
01:36:11,133 --> 01:36:14,772
Speaker 27: very taken with Matt Hamish Mackay's story and really enjoyed it,

1987
01:36:14,812 --> 01:36:17,772
Speaker 27: and I was thinking good on, good on him, and

1988
01:36:18,572 --> 01:36:21,612
Speaker 27: right sort of near the end too, how he said

1989
01:36:21,652 --> 01:36:26,173
Speaker 27: about it had changed his kind of view at looking

1990
01:36:26,213 --> 01:36:28,692
Speaker 27: at other things in his life too, you know, past

1991
01:36:28,732 --> 01:36:31,092
Speaker 27: and present kind of things. So not only I thought,

1992
01:36:31,173 --> 01:36:34,173
Speaker 27: well that's brilliant, because not only has it has it

1993
01:36:34,293 --> 01:36:36,933
Speaker 27: has the positive effect on the weight game for his

1994
01:36:37,333 --> 01:36:40,333
Speaker 27: weight loss, for his health and that, but also there's

1995
01:36:40,372 --> 01:36:43,892
Speaker 27: that mental outlook as well, you know, where he's sort

1996
01:36:43,893 --> 01:36:48,253
Speaker 27: of how I'll put into words, it's sort of made

1997
01:36:48,293 --> 01:36:52,732
Speaker 27: him maybe appreciate things more. We'll just kind of look

1998
01:36:52,772 --> 01:36:55,812
Speaker 27: in a more positive thing of taking life as it

1999
01:36:55,893 --> 01:36:58,093
Speaker 27: is kind of thing and being more aware around him

2000
01:36:58,093 --> 01:37:00,972
Speaker 27: with certain situations and things, and you know, helping him

2001
01:37:01,133 --> 01:37:04,452
Speaker 27: further in his relationships and just life in general, or

2002
01:37:04,492 --> 01:37:07,092
Speaker 27: his relationship. He's in one now, So there's that effect

2003
01:37:07,133 --> 01:37:10,213
Speaker 27: as well. And the funny thing was, I was, I

2004
01:37:10,253 --> 01:37:12,293
Speaker 27: was were gonna ring, I was going to ring, and

2005
01:37:12,333 --> 01:37:16,253
Speaker 27: straight after that, and then Jason come on. And I

2006
01:37:16,293 --> 01:37:20,572
Speaker 27: am pretty sure by his voice that I actually worked

2007
01:37:20,572 --> 01:37:23,772
Speaker 27: with Jason and I knew him when he was as

2008
01:37:23,853 --> 01:37:27,852
Speaker 27: big as he said he was. I'm positive, positive, and

2009
01:37:28,253 --> 01:37:31,852
Speaker 27: I seen him have the change while I was working

2010
01:37:31,893 --> 01:37:33,772
Speaker 27: with him. In fact, he might have even talked about

2011
01:37:33,812 --> 01:37:35,572
Speaker 27: it with him at work, you know, because he was

2012
01:37:35,612 --> 01:37:40,052
Speaker 27: having such trouble losing the weight and really struggling him battling,

2013
01:37:40,093 --> 01:37:42,173
Speaker 27: and he decided that it was the only way after

2014
01:37:42,173 --> 01:37:44,372
Speaker 27: going to see the doctor net and talking and doing it,

2015
01:37:44,412 --> 01:37:47,812
Speaker 27: and to do it. So and it's funny because, like

2016
01:37:48,013 --> 01:37:50,852
Speaker 27: Ham has said, people would look at him and wouldn't

2017
01:37:50,893 --> 01:37:52,972
Speaker 27: recognize him. I can remember one day in the smoker

2018
01:37:53,053 --> 01:37:56,093
Speaker 27: room looking at Jay after he'd had the surgery, and

2019
01:37:56,173 --> 01:37:58,133
Speaker 27: I didn't recognize him for a start, because he just

2020
01:37:58,173 --> 01:38:00,652
Speaker 27: it was so effective that he was so much weight.

2021
01:38:00,732 --> 01:38:03,133
Speaker 27: And I actually thought too, like, well, geez, actually looks

2022
01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:05,013
Speaker 27: a bit pale and skinny on it now, you know.

2023
01:38:06,492 --> 01:38:09,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Rodney hid lost a lot of weight,

2024
01:38:09,652 --> 01:38:13,213
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, another look at him going actually kind

2025
01:38:13,213 --> 01:38:14,333
Speaker 2: of suited the weight a little bit.

2026
01:38:14,492 --> 01:38:17,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have done with some more son as well, Rodney,

2027
01:38:17,093 --> 01:38:18,132
Speaker 3: to be honest with Yeah.

2028
01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:19,973
Speaker 2: But I mean it's interesting. It's something that people have

2029
01:38:20,013 --> 01:38:22,053
Speaker 2: been ringing today about which I hadn't really thought about.

2030
01:38:22,093 --> 01:38:25,372
Speaker 2: How much how different you look if you lose that

2031
01:38:25,452 --> 01:38:28,213
Speaker 2: kind of weight, kind of fifty kg sixty kg's type

2032
01:38:28,213 --> 01:38:31,613
Speaker 2: of weight half your body. But you are effectively, effectively

2033
01:38:31,652 --> 01:38:33,972
Speaker 2: from the outside, a different person. So you treated different.

2034
01:38:33,973 --> 01:38:36,053
Speaker 2: Your whole life is very different, not just how you

2035
01:38:36,093 --> 01:38:39,932
Speaker 2: feel in your personal health and how you feel about yourself.

2036
01:38:40,213 --> 01:38:43,692
Speaker 2: I treated as a different person, yeah, which would be

2037
01:38:43,732 --> 01:38:45,052
Speaker 2: really really weird. Yeah.

2038
01:38:45,053 --> 01:38:47,932
Speaker 3: Well, as Hamish MacKaye said, that kicked off this conversation

2039
01:38:47,973 --> 01:38:50,012
Speaker 3: when he went down to the stockyards and people didn't

2040
01:38:50,053 --> 01:38:52,492
Speaker 3: recognize them anymore and he had to get used to that.

2041
01:38:52,572 --> 01:38:54,892
Speaker 3: But yeah, I kind of agree with phil that there.

2042
01:38:54,933 --> 01:38:57,133
Speaker 3: Hamish mckaye we chatted to. It was a lot more

2043
01:38:57,133 --> 01:38:59,692
Speaker 3: philosophical than what I've heard from Hamish before.

2044
01:38:59,732 --> 01:39:02,732
Speaker 5: But good on him. He looks he looks a million bucks.

2045
01:39:02,492 --> 01:39:04,973
Speaker 2: The Yeah it looks good. Great broadcaster as well. I

2046
01:39:05,013 --> 01:39:06,972
Speaker 2: lost twenty kg in ten weeks, started with a bet

2047
01:39:06,973 --> 01:39:09,213
Speaker 2: with a mate who could lose them weight. I ate

2048
01:39:09,253 --> 01:39:12,932
Speaker 2: low carb count under thirty a day, two meals a day,

2049
01:39:13,812 --> 01:39:15,492
Speaker 2: vegas salad.

2050
01:39:15,173 --> 01:39:18,773
Speaker 5: Eggs, meat, vegas sell it sounds nice, interesting.

2051
01:39:18,412 --> 01:39:21,012
Speaker 2: Healthy, a lot of water, green tea, and two hours

2052
01:39:21,013 --> 01:39:23,772
Speaker 2: explos a day, mostly walking biking. Have kept it off

2053
01:39:24,013 --> 01:39:26,532
Speaker 2: every cag now three years in fit and healthy and

2054
01:39:26,572 --> 01:39:29,492
Speaker 2: feel great now. I eat more relaxed than have my

2055
01:39:29,572 --> 01:39:32,093
Speaker 2: first meal at twelve every day. Yeah you go, it's

2056
01:39:32,093 --> 01:39:33,372
Speaker 2: twenty kg. It's not bad.

2057
01:39:33,452 --> 01:39:34,573
Speaker 5: Yeah, great discussion.

2058
01:39:34,612 --> 01:39:36,933
Speaker 3: Thank you very much to everyone who gave us a

2059
01:39:36,973 --> 01:39:39,253
Speaker 3: buzz and text on that one. Right coming up, we've

2060
01:39:39,253 --> 01:39:41,973
Speaker 3: got the headlines. Then, as part of our ass the

2061
01:39:42,093 --> 01:39:45,253
Speaker 3: Expert series, we have matted the mechanic back with us.

2062
01:39:45,532 --> 01:39:48,812
Speaker 3: He is an expert when it comes to anything mechanical.

2063
01:39:48,853 --> 01:39:50,973
Speaker 3: If you've got a problem with your car, he is

2064
01:39:51,013 --> 01:39:53,333
Speaker 3: a man to chatoo. Speaking of witch. Yes, you just

2065
01:39:53,372 --> 01:39:54,692
Speaker 3: dropped your car off to the mechanic.

2066
01:39:54,812 --> 01:39:56,293
Speaker 2: I just dropped it off serviced.

2067
01:39:56,372 --> 01:39:56,532
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2068
01:39:56,572 --> 01:39:57,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a.

2069
01:39:57,213 --> 01:39:58,492
Speaker 3: Good man to chat to. Why you've got to I

2070
01:39:58,492 --> 01:40:00,173
Speaker 3: suppose you've gotta wait for the bill to come through. Well,

2071
01:40:00,173 --> 01:40:01,092
Speaker 3: then you can run past.

2072
01:40:01,093 --> 01:40:05,412
Speaker 2: I've dropped my car into one of those mainstream service centers,

2073
01:40:05,452 --> 01:40:07,572
Speaker 2: the one that I bought my car from and in

2074
01:40:07,612 --> 01:40:11,812
Speaker 2: the past being quite an impressive service fee. So I'm

2075
01:40:11,812 --> 01:40:13,933
Speaker 2: watching them like a hawk. This time it's going to

2076
01:40:13,973 --> 01:40:16,612
Speaker 2: be good. I'm going through everything line by line, as

2077
01:40:16,652 --> 01:40:18,333
Speaker 2: you shure, because I've been I've been talking a lot

2078
01:40:18,333 --> 01:40:21,692
Speaker 2: of different people when you can really get kicked between

2079
01:40:21,692 --> 01:40:24,972
Speaker 2: the legs by service fees, and the mainstream places are

2080
01:40:25,013 --> 01:40:27,612
Speaker 2: all notice now they're on those yeah, right.

2081
01:40:27,692 --> 01:40:29,133
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2082
01:40:29,133 --> 01:40:30,852
Speaker 3: If you've got a problem with your motor, Matt is

2083
01:40:30,893 --> 01:40:33,133
Speaker 3: coming up next nineteen nine to If you preferred to text,

2084
01:40:33,173 --> 01:40:34,532
Speaker 3: it is twenty seven of.

2085
01:40:34,532 --> 01:40:40,853
Speaker 1: Four youth talks, it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

2086
01:40:40,973 --> 01:40:44,092
Speaker 12: It's no trouble with a blue bubble The Green Party

2087
01:40:44,133 --> 01:40:48,293
Speaker 12: has released its alternative budget, which focuses on social good

2088
01:40:48,692 --> 01:40:53,452
Speaker 12: funding things like free GPS, dentistry and preschool education through

2089
01:40:53,572 --> 01:40:57,973
Speaker 12: a wealth tax and increasing companies tax and mining royalties

2090
01:40:58,893 --> 01:41:02,412
Speaker 12: concern after the Finance Minister Nicola Willis Is announced next

2091
01:41:02,412 --> 01:41:06,253
Speaker 12: week's budget will include changes to Kiwi Saver. More than

2092
01:41:06,293 --> 01:41:10,452
Speaker 12: eighty percent of New Zealanders assigned up. Parliament's taking a

2093
01:41:10,492 --> 01:41:13,612
Speaker 12: closer look at the harm young people face online, with

2094
01:41:13,772 --> 01:41:16,492
Speaker 12: national planning to put up a government bill to ban

2095
01:41:16,692 --> 01:41:21,132
Speaker 12: social media for under sixteens. A July date's been revealed

2096
01:41:21,133 --> 01:41:26,173
Speaker 12: for merging our seven public research institutes into three organizations

2097
01:41:26,452 --> 01:41:31,532
Speaker 12: with more focus on economics. Nelson's Nayland Road closed this

2098
01:41:31,652 --> 01:41:35,692
Speaker 12: afternoon with is closed, i should say, with police converging

2099
01:41:35,772 --> 01:41:39,012
Speaker 12: on the area, although it's not believed there's any public risk.

2100
01:41:39,572 --> 01:41:44,412
Speaker 12: Nayland Primaries reopened from lockdown. No update yet on Nayland

2101
01:41:44,492 --> 01:41:49,412
Speaker 12: College and broad Green Intermediate. Born to Be Bad George

2102
01:41:49,412 --> 01:41:53,532
Speaker 12: Thorogood on black influence, white critics and singing the Blues

2103
01:41:53,812 --> 01:41:56,652
Speaker 12: See the story at enzid Herald Premium. Back to matt

2104
01:41:56,692 --> 01:41:58,253
Speaker 12: Ethan Tyler Adams.

2105
01:41:57,812 --> 01:41:59,772
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean and as we do it

2106
01:41:59,853 --> 01:42:03,173
Speaker 3: this time. Every Wednesday are asked the Expert series, and

2107
01:42:03,253 --> 01:42:06,093
Speaker 3: this week we've got Matt the Mechanic back with us.

2108
01:42:06,133 --> 01:42:08,173
Speaker 3: He's got thirty eight years experience as a mechanic in

2109
01:42:08,213 --> 01:42:11,293
Speaker 3: the automotive industry. He's worked for pretty much every franchise

2110
01:42:11,333 --> 01:42:13,532
Speaker 3: brand you can think of, from the Japanese through to

2111
01:42:13,572 --> 01:42:16,572
Speaker 3: the Europeans. You'll find him at Exil Autos and Fakatane.

2112
01:42:16,612 --> 01:42:20,052
Speaker 3: He's a good man and he's brilliant at this stuff.

2113
01:42:20,093 --> 01:42:21,972
Speaker 3: So if you've got a question for Matt, now's your opportunity.

2114
01:42:22,013 --> 01:42:24,012
Speaker 3: O eight one hundred and eighteen eighty gered.

2115
01:42:23,812 --> 01:42:27,572
Speaker 9: A Matt, Good afternoon, guys, how are you very good?

2116
01:42:27,732 --> 01:42:34,092
Speaker 2: Should we go straight into Donald with his nineteen seventy Ziphya.

2117
01:42:33,492 --> 01:42:36,173
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Donald, you're on with Matt. How are you doing?

2118
01:42:36,812 --> 01:42:39,452
Speaker 22: Thanks very much? My first car in nineteen seventy Ziph.

2119
01:42:39,492 --> 01:42:41,372
Speaker 22: I bought it in seventy five, a car that I

2120
01:42:41,412 --> 01:42:45,373
Speaker 22: was told don't buy. The troublesome. It's been understarted completely.

2121
01:42:46,173 --> 01:42:49,532
Speaker 22: Understarts are completely unused since nineteen ninety three.

2122
01:42:49,692 --> 01:42:50,812
Speaker 5: It has not seized.

2123
01:42:51,333 --> 01:42:53,572
Speaker 22: What as a mechanic, mature mechanic, how would you go

2124
01:42:53,612 --> 01:42:55,372
Speaker 22: about gently restarting it?

2125
01:42:57,293 --> 01:42:59,732
Speaker 23: I'd change the oil on filter. I'd probably change the

2126
01:42:59,812 --> 01:43:04,772
Speaker 23: radiator fluid. You'll probably need a new battery. Yeah, wow,

2127
01:43:07,013 --> 01:43:10,733
Speaker 23: i'd probably want I've changed the oil and filter. Disconnect

2128
01:43:10,732 --> 01:43:13,412
Speaker 23: the ignition so it doesn't fire and wind it over

2129
01:43:13,452 --> 01:43:15,253
Speaker 23: a but to get the oil flowing through the engine.

2130
01:43:16,293 --> 01:43:19,933
Speaker 19: Yeah, start up you.

2131
01:43:22,293 --> 01:43:24,333
Speaker 5: Or you go? You go first, man.

2132
01:43:26,333 --> 01:43:31,012
Speaker 23: You'll probably need new fuel and if you know, whatever's

2133
01:43:31,013 --> 01:43:33,053
Speaker 23: in the cardboard is probably evaporated, you might need to

2134
01:43:33,053 --> 01:43:34,812
Speaker 23: tour the top off the carb and clean it out.

2135
01:43:35,133 --> 01:43:41,852
Speaker 5: Yeah, Donald, hopefully that works. You got that, Donald?

2136
01:43:42,412 --> 01:43:43,652
Speaker 22: Yes, I did think very much.

2137
01:43:43,732 --> 01:43:46,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, lovely? All right, all right, good luck?

2138
01:43:46,253 --> 01:43:49,772
Speaker 2: Beautiful Vehicles of the Ford z you speak considered the

2139
01:43:49,853 --> 01:43:52,732
Speaker 2: quintessential New Zealand car, the Zephyr. If you want to

2140
01:43:52,732 --> 01:43:55,452
Speaker 2: give yourself a treat, look up John Campbell's are not

2141
01:43:55,812 --> 01:44:02,052
Speaker 2: John Campbell's name, John Clark's appearance and the movie gosh

2142
01:44:02,093 --> 01:44:03,732
Speaker 2: what was the movie? Someone will tell me as a

2143
01:44:03,812 --> 01:44:04,933
Speaker 2: car salesman.

2144
01:44:05,372 --> 01:44:06,293
Speaker 5: Does that never say die?

2145
01:44:06,412 --> 01:44:10,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, never say yeah? Make one hundred down a steep

2146
01:44:10,093 --> 01:44:12,412
Speaker 2: hill with a stuff suddenly up it's trickles.

2147
01:44:15,973 --> 01:44:18,372
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, you've never owned as if for yourself, mat.

2148
01:44:19,213 --> 01:44:25,053
Speaker 2: No jerrou you've got a twenty eighteen Ranger you want

2149
01:44:25,053 --> 01:44:25,532
Speaker 2: to talk about.

2150
01:44:26,652 --> 01:44:27,372
Speaker 24: Yeah, Jerry.

2151
01:44:27,412 --> 01:44:29,972
Speaker 18: Sorry, guys, you're in the buck.

2152
01:44:30,612 --> 01:44:31,492
Speaker 2: That's probably not a name.

2153
01:44:31,612 --> 01:44:32,652
Speaker 24: Jerry.

2154
01:44:33,532 --> 01:44:35,013
Speaker 5: We've got to you instead of a y, but that

2155
01:44:35,053 --> 01:44:35,652
Speaker 5: makes more sense.

2156
01:44:35,652 --> 01:44:37,652
Speaker 2: It's classy. Now I'm going to call you Duru. We'll

2157
01:44:37,692 --> 01:44:39,852
Speaker 2: call you Duru for the rest of this called Jeru.

2158
01:44:39,933 --> 01:44:43,452
Speaker 2: You've got a twenty eighteen Ranger and we use.

2159
01:44:43,372 --> 01:44:47,333
Speaker 24: It mainly for tourna caravan. Now when I'm driving along,

2160
01:44:47,772 --> 01:44:51,092
Speaker 24: it's an automatic. When I'm driving along, not over revenue

2161
01:44:51,133 --> 01:44:55,053
Speaker 24: or anything. It goes first, second, third, port and then

2162
01:44:55,053 --> 01:44:56,973
Speaker 24: it might jump into fifth, but it gives a big

2163
01:44:57,013 --> 01:45:01,492
Speaker 24: clunk back and then continues on into six. And whenever

2164
01:45:01,492 --> 01:45:03,892
Speaker 24: you're slowing down, it just slows down normally the way

2165
01:45:03,933 --> 01:45:07,372
Speaker 24: it should go through the view. I've taken it to

2166
01:45:07,492 --> 01:45:11,293
Speaker 24: forward about three times. It's when it's a load or

2167
01:45:11,333 --> 01:45:13,452
Speaker 24: without load, if that makes sense. With the caravan or

2168
01:45:13,452 --> 01:45:17,452
Speaker 24: without I've taken that the board and they're doing all

2169
01:45:17,492 --> 01:45:20,812
Speaker 24: the diagnostics and they can't find a thing wrong with it.

2170
01:45:21,893 --> 01:45:26,412
Speaker 23: Okay, I'd probably start by changing the gearbox oil. And

2171
01:45:26,452 --> 01:45:28,772
Speaker 23: if you're towing with it, it might it might be

2172
01:45:28,772 --> 01:45:32,532
Speaker 23: beneficial to put an external oil cooler in the in

2173
01:45:32,612 --> 01:45:34,372
Speaker 23: the transmission line.

2174
01:45:35,532 --> 01:45:38,412
Speaker 24: Right, they're not getting put an extra oil coler.

2175
01:45:39,412 --> 01:45:41,652
Speaker 23: It will have one, but if you put an external

2176
01:45:41,732 --> 01:45:44,093
Speaker 23: one on it, it will it will work better, it

2177
01:45:44,133 --> 01:45:46,973
Speaker 23: won't get as hot. But I'd start by changing the

2178
01:45:47,013 --> 01:45:49,333
Speaker 23: oil and then maybe looking at an external oil coller.

2179
01:45:50,412 --> 01:45:52,692
Speaker 23: Otherwise it may be an electronic process. You might have

2180
01:45:52,812 --> 01:45:54,333
Speaker 23: to get it skinned, but if you've taken it back

2181
01:45:54,372 --> 01:45:55,772
Speaker 23: to FOURD, they've probably already scanned it.

2182
01:45:55,812 --> 01:45:56,812
Speaker 9: And then if they can't find.

2183
01:45:56,652 --> 01:46:00,932
Speaker 23: Any code, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd start with the oil

2184
01:46:00,973 --> 01:46:02,572
Speaker 23: and then maybe an external oil coller.

2185
01:46:04,492 --> 01:46:06,372
Speaker 24: Okay, so I know it's hard to diagnose. What do

2186
01:46:06,372 --> 01:46:08,213
Speaker 24: you think is the worst that could happen?

2187
01:46:11,652 --> 01:46:12,572
Speaker 5: The worst that could happen.

2188
01:46:14,492 --> 01:46:16,173
Speaker 9: I might not win a lot of one Saturday. Again.

2189
01:46:18,293 --> 01:46:23,333
Speaker 23: Yeah, if it's not leaking, just check it, chick it

2190
01:46:23,372 --> 01:46:25,412
Speaker 23: for leaks and just make sure there's no external leaks.

2191
01:46:25,492 --> 01:46:27,412
Speaker 23: But they've probably already done that if you've been back there.

2192
01:46:27,532 --> 01:46:28,972
Speaker 23: But I'd start by changing the will.

2193
01:46:29,973 --> 01:46:33,452
Speaker 3: Dreu slash Jerry, good luck with that twenty eighteen range.

2194
01:46:33,933 --> 01:46:37,133
Speaker 3: There's a text here at Matt ninety three Toronto t

2195
01:46:37,372 --> 01:46:40,692
Speaker 3: D twenty seven automatic randomly drops to lower gear and

2196
01:46:40,772 --> 01:46:43,612
Speaker 3: won't change. Only way to get back to normal is

2197
01:46:43,652 --> 01:46:45,213
Speaker 3: to turn off the engine and start again.

2198
01:46:45,532 --> 01:46:50,812
Speaker 23: Any advice, yep, I just can't off the top of

2199
01:46:50,812 --> 01:46:52,452
Speaker 23: my head think.

2200
01:46:52,133 --> 01:46:52,812
Speaker 9: How they're controlled.

2201
01:46:52,853 --> 01:46:56,053
Speaker 23: But if it's probably got a transmission computer and it's

2202
01:46:56,053 --> 01:47:00,173
Speaker 23: probably a computer issue. So again it's getting a bit

2203
01:47:00,213 --> 01:47:01,772
Speaker 23: early to be to be able to be scanned, but

2204
01:47:01,933 --> 01:47:04,053
Speaker 23: probably an auto electrician might be the best bit for that.

2205
01:47:04,293 --> 01:47:07,012
Speaker 3: Yep, very good. If you've got a question for Matt,

2206
01:47:07,053 --> 01:47:09,293
Speaker 3: now is your opportunity. I wait, hundred and eighty ten

2207
01:47:09,372 --> 01:47:11,572
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. We've got full lines

2208
01:47:11,612 --> 01:47:14,932
Speaker 3: at the moment, but keep trying and he will give

2209
01:47:14,973 --> 01:47:19,492
Speaker 3: you some great advice. It is eighteen to four back

2210
01:47:19,532 --> 01:47:21,133
Speaker 3: fore shortly here on News Talks, heb.

2211
01:47:21,893 --> 01:47:24,333
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

2212
01:47:24,372 --> 01:47:28,653
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

2213
01:47:28,293 --> 01:47:31,173
Speaker 3: He'd be It is quarter before we are joined by

2214
01:47:31,253 --> 01:47:33,533
Speaker 3: Matt the Mechanic as part of our RC the Experts

2215
01:47:33,572 --> 01:47:36,532
Speaker 3: series from Excel Autos and Fukasani thirty eight years experience.

2216
01:47:36,732 --> 01:47:38,053
Speaker 5: Just Matt, you're gonna enjoy this.

2217
01:47:38,213 --> 01:47:40,012
Speaker 3: Just before we go back to the phone calls, Matt's

2218
01:47:40,293 --> 01:47:42,412
Speaker 3: found a little bit of he's done some research.

2219
01:47:42,492 --> 01:47:43,053
Speaker 5: He's put it that way.

2220
01:47:43,093 --> 01:47:44,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was talking about this great piece of John

2221
01:47:44,812 --> 01:47:47,692
Speaker 2: Clark audio. You might know him as Fred Dag He

2222
01:47:47,772 --> 01:47:49,652
Speaker 2: was one of New Zealand's greatest comedians. He was in

2223
01:47:49,652 --> 01:47:53,133
Speaker 2: the timmiwear of Morrison movie Never Say Die as a

2224
01:47:53,412 --> 01:47:55,612
Speaker 2: remarkably honest car salesman.

2225
01:47:55,812 --> 01:47:57,213
Speaker 5: And I just love this audio.

2226
01:47:57,213 --> 01:48:02,852
Speaker 2: I think it's phenomenal. Oh, well, there you go. That

2227
01:48:02,893 --> 01:48:06,213
Speaker 2: didn't play, so let's move on. For some reason, the

2228
01:48:06,812 --> 01:48:09,093
Speaker 2: mic wasn't turned up in the other own fader wasn't up.

2229
01:48:09,133 --> 01:48:12,053
Speaker 2: So that's very disappointing because I was very excited about that.

2230
01:48:12,133 --> 01:48:13,692
Speaker 5: But we might come back to that one.

2231
01:48:13,772 --> 01:48:15,173
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go and punch myself in the

2232
01:48:15,173 --> 01:48:16,652
Speaker 2: face of the corner here after that.

2233
01:48:17,652 --> 01:48:19,132
Speaker 5: Right, let's go to the calls mark.

2234
01:48:19,372 --> 01:48:22,532
Speaker 3: You're going to an issue with your a noisy belt,

2235
01:48:22,572 --> 01:48:23,052
Speaker 3: is that right?

2236
01:48:24,053 --> 01:48:28,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, I've got a I've got a wheeling timing belt

2237
01:48:28,253 --> 01:48:31,652
Speaker 16: and a sticky salary. And it seems recently simple to

2238
01:48:31,652 --> 01:48:33,492
Speaker 16: things where I would post mechanics.

2239
01:48:33,492 --> 01:48:34,333
Speaker 24: But I've been to my.

2240
01:48:34,213 --> 01:48:40,532
Speaker 16: Mechanics green time for the same issue Wunderbug player and yeah,

2241
01:48:40,692 --> 01:48:44,492
Speaker 16: so and a manual. It is pretty challenging when I'm

2242
01:48:44,532 --> 01:48:45,253
Speaker 16: going up a hell.

2243
01:48:45,133 --> 01:48:48,253
Speaker 2: And can anyone understand what Mark saying?

2244
01:48:48,812 --> 01:48:51,053
Speaker 9: I'm really having trouble here in you there's a.

2245
01:48:51,013 --> 01:48:53,812
Speaker 2: Lot of technical issues going on here. Yeah, some kind

2246
01:48:53,853 --> 01:48:56,972
Speaker 2: of storm of cockuppery going on here.

2247
01:48:57,053 --> 01:48:57,253
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2248
01:48:57,293 --> 01:49:00,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the information I've got here, so a stick accelerator,

2249
01:49:00,532 --> 01:49:03,253
Speaker 3: matt in, a noisy belt, that's all we've got to

2250
01:49:03,293 --> 01:49:03,652
Speaker 3: go on.

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01:49:04,013 --> 01:49:07,452
Speaker 23: Advice, Please, It sounds like he's headed into the shop

2252
01:49:07,532 --> 01:49:11,173
Speaker 23: a few times and he's still got the same problem. Look,

2253
01:49:11,492 --> 01:49:13,692
Speaker 23: your best advice really is to find someone that knows

2254
01:49:13,692 --> 01:49:16,532
Speaker 23: what they're doing with it. Yeah, ATV is not really

2255
01:49:16,572 --> 01:49:19,372
Speaker 23: anything that I'm sort of familiar with. But a sticky

2256
01:49:19,412 --> 01:49:22,412
Speaker 23: accelerator and a noisy belt sounds pretty simple to fix.

2257
01:49:22,452 --> 01:49:24,173
Speaker 23: But I think you might just be taking it to

2258
01:49:24,213 --> 01:49:24,692
Speaker 23: the wrong guy.

2259
01:49:24,933 --> 01:49:25,133
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2260
01:49:25,853 --> 01:49:30,013
Speaker 2: So Matt Alan asks what is the best small kid?

2261
01:49:30,452 --> 01:49:32,972
Speaker 2: What is the best small car to buy for safety,

2262
01:49:33,013 --> 01:49:36,852
Speaker 2: fuel economy, and a bit of zip in your opinion,

2263
01:49:39,333 --> 01:49:46,012
Speaker 2: I've got two of them. Yeah, yeah, safe economy, love

2264
01:49:46,053 --> 01:49:48,052
Speaker 2: that high there.

2265
01:49:48,133 --> 01:49:50,612
Speaker 3: I purchased a two thousand and five Red fo a

2266
01:49:50,652 --> 01:49:54,732
Speaker 3: few weeks ago, and it is very expensive on gas runs. Well,

2267
01:49:54,812 --> 01:49:57,293
Speaker 3: I think and I drive with a very light foot.

2268
01:49:57,412 --> 01:49:58,333
Speaker 3: Any thoughts.

2269
01:50:00,093 --> 01:50:03,572
Speaker 23: Yeah, they're not the best on gas anyway, if you're

2270
01:50:03,612 --> 01:50:07,293
Speaker 23: driving it around town, I assume it's a four wheel drive,

2271
01:50:07,732 --> 01:50:11,772
Speaker 23: they're not grade on guess. You could get a tune up,

2272
01:50:11,853 --> 01:50:13,732
Speaker 23: maybe you get some new spark plugs and a new AIRFORLT.

2273
01:50:13,772 --> 01:50:15,253
Speaker 9: It might be running a bit rich. You might have

2274
01:50:15,253 --> 01:50:17,612
Speaker 9: a blocked airfort or something like that. But they are

2275
01:50:17,772 --> 01:50:19,492
Speaker 9: just not their great on guess.

2276
01:50:19,173 --> 01:50:22,692
Speaker 3: Yep, I suppose two thousand and five is long before

2277
01:50:22,692 --> 01:50:23,972
Speaker 3: the hybrid model came out.

2278
01:50:25,053 --> 01:50:26,933
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2279
01:50:26,572 --> 01:50:29,612
Speaker 2: Aaron, you've got a twenty fifteen range drover with a problem.

2280
01:50:30,452 --> 01:50:35,293
Speaker 24: Yeah, an intimiscent about one trip in twenty it goes

2281
01:50:35,333 --> 01:50:39,293
Speaker 24: into an engine saving mode and has about ten percent

2282
01:50:39,333 --> 01:50:41,692
Speaker 24: of its normal power and you can only just get

2283
01:50:41,692 --> 01:50:45,692
Speaker 24: it home. Been to three mechanics, there's been.

2284
01:50:45,652 --> 01:50:46,892
Speaker 9: Does the light come on on the dish?

2285
01:50:47,692 --> 01:50:54,532
Speaker 24: No? No, nothing on on the dish, and various comments

2286
01:50:54,532 --> 01:50:58,692
Speaker 24: of that eg r vlves and just one whether we

2287
01:50:58,772 --> 01:51:02,333
Speaker 24: should wondering whether we should remove it and reprogram it

2288
01:51:02,372 --> 01:51:03,372
Speaker 24: to op break without.

2289
01:51:05,372 --> 01:51:07,293
Speaker 23: I would have thought if it's going into limp mode,

2290
01:51:07,333 --> 01:51:09,772
Speaker 23: you would definitely have a lie on the dish, but

2291
01:51:09,812 --> 01:51:12,093
Speaker 23: it will definitely probably be something that will need to

2292
01:51:12,093 --> 01:51:13,412
Speaker 23: be scanned with a decent scan.

2293
01:51:13,492 --> 01:51:18,812
Speaker 24: TAL have it and we've taken it to the garage

2294
01:51:18,812 --> 01:51:22,933
Speaker 24: when it's in limp mode and left it running. So

2295
01:51:22,973 --> 01:51:24,973
Speaker 24: they thee.

2296
01:51:26,213 --> 01:51:28,532
Speaker 23: Have you been to a friend franchise dealer or have

2297
01:51:28,612 --> 01:51:30,772
Speaker 23: you just taken it to half the market guys.

2298
01:51:30,853 --> 01:51:35,853
Speaker 24: One franchise and two two experienced guys with these European

2299
01:51:36,213 --> 01:51:41,652
Speaker 24: the ecles. Yeah, it's just it's got a absolutely.

2300
01:51:41,372 --> 01:51:42,972
Speaker 9: Get it to a I'd get it to a range

2301
01:51:43,053 --> 01:51:43,572
Speaker 9: Rover dealer.

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01:51:45,492 --> 01:51:47,412
Speaker 24: Been to archies in christ Church.

2303
01:51:50,412 --> 01:51:52,012
Speaker 9: Luck that one's too tough for over the phone.

2304
01:51:52,053 --> 01:51:54,852
Speaker 3: But yeah, all the best staring. I think we've had

2305
01:51:54,893 --> 01:51:56,692
Speaker 3: time for one more cooler.

2306
01:51:57,133 --> 01:52:01,732
Speaker 2: Brian, you've got a problem with your problem with your

2307
01:52:02,053 --> 01:52:04,612
Speaker 2: your crutch, problem with your croutch on a sixty eight

2308
01:52:04,893 --> 01:52:06,133
Speaker 2: Mustang there, Brian.

2309
01:52:05,933 --> 01:52:09,812
Speaker 5: Common problem on the.

2310
01:52:09,093 --> 01:52:16,732
Speaker 28: It needs a scratch. I just consuming my own views.

2311
01:52:16,772 --> 01:52:22,932
Speaker 28: Actually I went up to beach Off and the traffic

2312
01:52:23,013 --> 01:52:25,572
Speaker 28: up there was pretty slow. So I've got a four

2313
01:52:25,612 --> 01:52:32,812
Speaker 28: speed top lader behind a Stroker motor and I just

2314
01:52:33,013 --> 01:52:37,213
Speaker 28: when I'm putting my foot down practically in any gear,

2315
01:52:38,612 --> 01:52:41,333
Speaker 28: I just get a slight red of the motor. Before

2316
01:52:41,492 --> 01:52:46,812
Speaker 28: the traction starts, you can feel normally, I should put

2317
01:52:46,853 --> 01:52:49,612
Speaker 28: my foot down and you feel a car accelerat straight away,

2318
01:52:49,893 --> 01:52:52,852
Speaker 28: but there's a slight read and then the way it goes.

2319
01:52:52,973 --> 01:52:59,692
Speaker 28: I'm assuming that clutch plate. And the other question would

2320
01:52:59,692 --> 01:53:05,293
Speaker 28: be should I replace the clutch and pressure plate and

2321
01:53:05,372 --> 01:53:06,012
Speaker 28: thrust bearing?

2322
01:53:06,053 --> 01:53:09,972
Speaker 9: Also, well, if you do the clutch, you do it all.

2323
01:53:11,253 --> 01:53:13,572
Speaker 23: If the clutches slipping, you should You should be able

2324
01:53:13,572 --> 01:53:19,052
Speaker 23: to smell it. I couldn't just work, just work, work

2325
01:53:19,053 --> 01:53:20,492
Speaker 23: at a bit and see if you can make it slip.

2326
01:53:20,492 --> 01:53:22,372
Speaker 23: If you can make it slip, then it's probably gone,

2327
01:53:23,213 --> 01:53:25,012
Speaker 23: but you'd probably be able to smell it when it does.

2328
01:53:26,412 --> 01:53:31,692
Speaker 28: Yeah, Alternatively, it's not the clutch in any ideas, might

2329
01:53:31,772 --> 01:53:32,133
Speaker 28: do that.

2330
01:53:35,293 --> 01:53:39,293
Speaker 23: Not without driving it. Maybe an ear leak if it's

2331
01:53:39,293 --> 01:53:41,692
Speaker 23: just hesitating a bit, But if you just yeah, I mean,

2332
01:53:41,732 --> 01:53:43,732
Speaker 23: if you're driving it, and you obviously know what you're

2333
01:53:43,732 --> 01:53:45,532
Speaker 23: talking about. When you've got a car like that, most

2334
01:53:45,532 --> 01:53:48,213
Speaker 23: guys with cars like that do their own work. If

2335
01:53:48,253 --> 01:53:51,412
Speaker 23: you're sort of feeling it's a clutch, then yeah, you know,

2336
01:53:51,532 --> 01:53:54,333
Speaker 23: without driving it, I'd probably agree with you. And if

2337
01:53:54,333 --> 01:53:57,372
Speaker 23: you do do it, do everything you'll buy a kiss anyway,

2338
01:53:57,412 --> 01:53:59,132
Speaker 23: so you'll get everything in the clutch kit.

2339
01:53:59,812 --> 01:54:02,412
Speaker 3: All the beast, Brian, and it sounds like a beautiful vehicle,

2340
01:54:02,452 --> 01:54:04,732
Speaker 3: sixty eight Mustang in the old beach shop. That sounds

2341
01:54:04,732 --> 01:54:08,253
Speaker 3: like a good time. One text, one more text here, Matt,

2342
01:54:08,492 --> 01:54:11,492
Speaker 3: just had my transfer case rebuilt on my old four

2343
01:54:11,572 --> 01:54:14,892
Speaker 3: x four new internals, getting a very quiet wine when

2344
01:54:14,893 --> 01:54:16,412
Speaker 3: I'm doing eighty k's an hour.

2345
01:54:16,532 --> 01:54:18,372
Speaker 5: Is this normal for new gears? Or should I take

2346
01:54:18,372 --> 01:54:19,573
Speaker 5: it back to get checked.

2347
01:54:20,253 --> 01:54:21,812
Speaker 9: Make sure it's got the right oil on it?

2348
01:54:24,253 --> 01:54:26,652
Speaker 23: Or are you hearing something else because the transfer case

2349
01:54:26,692 --> 01:54:30,372
Speaker 23: is no longer noisy? It might be something else gears, wine,

2350
01:54:30,372 --> 01:54:33,013
Speaker 23: bearing's rumble, So if it's a wine, it's it'll be

2351
01:54:33,053 --> 01:54:36,373
Speaker 23: a gear. It could be a DFF for or a gearbox.

2352
01:54:36,733 --> 01:54:38,453
Speaker 23: Now that you've hit the transfer case done, you might

2353
01:54:38,453 --> 01:54:40,013
Speaker 23: not be hearing You'll be hearing something that.

2354
01:54:39,933 --> 01:54:40,733
Speaker 9: You couldn't hear before.

2355
01:54:40,893 --> 01:54:41,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so, but just.

2356
01:54:41,973 --> 01:54:43,133
Speaker 9: Make sure it's got the right oil on.

2357
01:54:43,093 --> 01:54:45,373
Speaker 5: It, yep, and potentially take it back.

2358
01:54:46,653 --> 01:54:47,972
Speaker 9: Yeah definitely, Yeah, yeah, yep.

2359
01:54:48,093 --> 01:54:48,772
Speaker 5: Very good Matt.

2360
01:54:48,893 --> 01:54:52,093
Speaker 3: You're brilliant as always and always great to catch up mate.

2361
01:54:52,173 --> 01:54:53,772
Speaker 3: We will do it again in about a month's time.

2362
01:54:55,213 --> 01:54:57,373
Speaker 9: Of course, all right, thanks guys, appreciate it.

2363
01:54:57,453 --> 01:54:57,653
Speaker 2: Yep.

2364
01:54:57,693 --> 01:55:00,613
Speaker 3: That is Matt the mechanic from Exil Autos and Fakata

2365
01:55:00,772 --> 01:55:03,653
Speaker 3: and as always advice off it on this program has

2366
01:55:03,693 --> 01:55:05,812
Speaker 3: done in good faith and should always be confirmed by

2367
01:55:05,812 --> 01:55:08,172
Speaker 3: a physical inspection of your vehicle.

2368
01:55:08,453 --> 01:55:09,772
Speaker 5: It is seven or four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 5: ZIB News Talks it B five to four.

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Speaker 2: I want to play this audio before. It's John Clark,

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand fantastic comedian. He was free Dagged and

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Speaker 2: a bunch of amazing stuff in Australia. Was in this

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Speaker 2: movie Ca'll Never Say Die with Timmy Ram Morrison as

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Speaker 2: the honest car salesman talking about a Zephyr seven.

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Speaker 29: Hundred, seven hundred and I suppose it only had one owner,

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Speaker 29: a little ol lady who only drove it on Sundays. Well,

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Speaker 29: actually she's an ex rental made of mind thrash to

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Speaker 29: ring at him for a fair bit border and here

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Speaker 29: see if I could find some bunny to fit into it.

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Speaker 29: That's amokeer be frink of you, Cyril, Cyril Well it's

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Speaker 29: not a lot of commission in a seven hundred dollars vehicle.

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Speaker 29: I'm not going to make about all day selling it.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't want it anyway, tell.

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Speaker 9: Us about it.

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Speaker 29: Well, the body works pretty well rooted as you can see.

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Speaker 29: But well, I never give up these old sixers, do they?

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Speaker 29: You know, a little hard to start, a little hard

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Speaker 29: to start, runs like a haunted shit house for a bit,

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Speaker 29: but once she warms up there's a lot of grund

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Speaker 29: downder here. I wouldn't be surprised if you've got the

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Speaker 29: ton out of this. You don't a decent down, he'll run,

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Speaker 29: you know, with a chrisk northerly up your freckle.

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Speaker 5: That's so good.

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Speaker 2: Look it up on YouTube. It's one of the most

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Speaker 2: greatest New Zealand comedy performances of all time. John Clark

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Speaker 2: and Never Say Die genius.

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