1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,907 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:15,707 Speaker 2: Ahead of the first of two Test matches between Argentina 4 00:00:15,747 --> 00:00:18,587 Speaker 2: and the All Blacks in Argentina. An honor to get 5 00:00:18,587 --> 00:00:22,507 Speaker 2: the chance to bring an Argentinian rugby legend Ugo Porter. 6 00:00:22,387 --> 00:00:24,347 Speaker 3: Dylan play Porter. 7 00:00:26,387 --> 00:00:30,227 Speaker 4: On for the drop kick and an amazing drop goal 8 00:00:30,307 --> 00:00:37,267 Speaker 4: by Porter, Absolutely amazing. He could not have seen the 9 00:00:37,307 --> 00:00:40,627 Speaker 4: goal before he took that shot. Who Porter, He's been 10 00:00:40,667 --> 00:00:44,067 Speaker 4: well looked up in the field. Play for two drop goals, 11 00:00:44,467 --> 00:00:45,947 Speaker 4: playing a big part in those. 12 00:00:45,747 --> 00:00:46,347 Speaker 3: Teams for you. 13 00:00:46,587 --> 00:00:49,947 Speaker 2: What a player he was for Argentina. He joins us 14 00:00:49,987 --> 00:00:52,947 Speaker 2: on the show now or la Ugo, thanks for joining us. 15 00:00:53,347 --> 00:00:55,987 Speaker 2: How confident do you feel ahead of the first Test 16 00:00:56,147 --> 00:00:57,867 Speaker 2: against the All Blacks in Cordoba. 17 00:00:59,067 --> 00:01:03,667 Speaker 5: Oh hello, hello to everybody there in New zeal And. 18 00:01:03,827 --> 00:01:07,587 Speaker 5: My old friends there in New Zealand, always missing your 19 00:01:07,627 --> 00:01:09,667 Speaker 5: country and looking. 20 00:01:09,427 --> 00:01:10,747 Speaker 3: Forward to go back there. 21 00:01:11,027 --> 00:01:15,507 Speaker 5: But we are very happy to welcome the All Blacks 22 00:01:15,587 --> 00:01:21,587 Speaker 5: in in Argentina. You know, we are always optimistic when 23 00:01:21,627 --> 00:01:23,707 Speaker 5: the when the Pumas. 24 00:01:23,307 --> 00:01:29,347 Speaker 6: Are playing, though we know how powerful the Old Blacks are, 25 00:01:29,627 --> 00:01:33,427 Speaker 6: but we all wait in the match with a lot 26 00:01:33,467 --> 00:01:37,787 Speaker 6: of expectations and uh, we'll see what happened. 27 00:01:37,947 --> 00:01:40,507 Speaker 2: For a long time. Of course, the Poemers couldn't beat 28 00:01:40,507 --> 00:01:43,587 Speaker 2: the All Blacks, but that one three of the last teen. 29 00:01:44,147 --> 00:01:46,787 Speaker 2: Is there more belief now that they can match up 30 00:01:46,787 --> 00:01:47,947 Speaker 2: with the All Blacks. 31 00:01:49,867 --> 00:01:53,827 Speaker 5: Well, you know when when you bid them once you 32 00:01:53,947 --> 00:01:58,867 Speaker 5: think you can beat them more times. But anyway, we 33 00:01:59,067 --> 00:02:02,387 Speaker 5: have to be realistic and we know about how powerful 34 00:02:02,427 --> 00:02:06,307 Speaker 5: the Old Blacks are. So when you've got a tea 35 00:02:06,547 --> 00:02:11,787 Speaker 5: playing with a puma jersey, anything can happen, especially when 36 00:02:11,827 --> 00:02:15,187 Speaker 5: they are playing here in Argentina. They are playing in Cordova, 37 00:02:15,307 --> 00:02:18,667 Speaker 5: which is going to be a very special occasion for 38 00:02:18,707 --> 00:02:24,467 Speaker 5: the people here in the province. So we are all optimistic. 39 00:02:24,627 --> 00:02:26,947 Speaker 5: I think the main thing will be to have a 40 00:02:27,907 --> 00:02:32,867 Speaker 5: good match and a good performance by by both teams. 41 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:36,507 Speaker 2: The Poements beat the British and Irish Lions in June 42 00:02:36,547 --> 00:02:40,747 Speaker 2: and then had two losses to England in July. What 43 00:02:40,907 --> 00:02:43,987 Speaker 2: did you make a go of their performances and those matches. 44 00:02:46,467 --> 00:02:49,027 Speaker 5: It's always good to have a win like the one 45 00:02:49,067 --> 00:02:52,267 Speaker 5: we have against the Lions, but it's very difficult to 46 00:02:52,347 --> 00:02:55,867 Speaker 5: have to performance in the to have a performance the 47 00:02:55,947 --> 00:03:00,547 Speaker 5: same way, then when you have a big win. But anyway, 48 00:03:00,907 --> 00:03:04,347 Speaker 5: you know, this is a completely different game from the 49 00:03:04,387 --> 00:03:09,667 Speaker 5: one I play. It's all it's a professional game. They 50 00:03:09,707 --> 00:03:12,987 Speaker 5: are all the time thinking in the game and making 51 00:03:13,267 --> 00:03:17,107 Speaker 5: analysis on the games of how they must play, and 52 00:03:17,187 --> 00:03:20,707 Speaker 5: I'm sure they will try their best in this occasion. 53 00:03:21,307 --> 00:03:24,507 Speaker 5: But anyway, the All Blacks are making a big impact 54 00:03:24,547 --> 00:03:27,307 Speaker 5: here in Argentina, especially in Buenos Aires. 55 00:03:27,347 --> 00:03:31,027 Speaker 3: The people are very keen of having them here. 56 00:03:31,187 --> 00:03:34,947 Speaker 5: They've been to a soccer game the last weekend and 57 00:03:35,027 --> 00:03:35,867 Speaker 5: I think. 58 00:03:36,747 --> 00:03:39,107 Speaker 3: They are very well. 59 00:03:39,907 --> 00:03:43,627 Speaker 5: Welcome in Argentina and we give them a warm welcome. 60 00:03:43,787 --> 00:03:47,027 Speaker 3: So we will see. It's going to be a very 61 00:03:47,067 --> 00:03:48,267 Speaker 3: interesting game to see. 62 00:03:48,787 --> 00:03:51,827 Speaker 2: Were the All Blacks one of your favorite opponents to 63 00:03:52,267 --> 00:03:57,787 Speaker 2: play against, Ugo, You. 64 00:03:57,827 --> 00:04:01,387 Speaker 5: Know, it's always good to play against When you are 65 00:04:01,467 --> 00:04:04,467 Speaker 5: young and you are playing for your country, you always 66 00:04:04,507 --> 00:04:09,587 Speaker 5: want to play against the best, and we were always 67 00:04:09,627 --> 00:04:13,187 Speaker 5: looking forward to face the Old Blacks in New Zealand 68 00:04:13,387 --> 00:04:18,747 Speaker 5: or in Argentina, So I think that feeling never changed 69 00:04:19,747 --> 00:04:24,267 Speaker 5: for a Puma. So was very special to play against 70 00:04:25,107 --> 00:04:30,027 Speaker 5: a team that has been world champions, and you know 71 00:04:30,627 --> 00:04:36,187 Speaker 5: how powerful and popular the Old Blacks are around the 72 00:04:36,387 --> 00:04:37,347 Speaker 5: rugby world. 73 00:04:37,147 --> 00:04:41,347 Speaker 2: Now that famous taste in nineteen eighty five when you 74 00:04:41,467 --> 00:04:44,987 Speaker 2: kicked all twenty one points in the twenty one Old Draw. 75 00:04:45,547 --> 00:04:47,467 Speaker 2: What do you remember most about that game? 76 00:04:49,907 --> 00:04:54,427 Speaker 5: I remember that we finished very close to the goal 77 00:04:54,587 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 5: of the Old Blacks, and we were very close to 78 00:04:57,667 --> 00:05:01,987 Speaker 5: bid them. But anyway, for me, it was an unbelievable 79 00:05:02,067 --> 00:05:03,987 Speaker 5: experience that I will never forget. 80 00:05:05,027 --> 00:05:07,227 Speaker 2: Who were some of the players in the all black 81 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:11,307 Speaker 2: jersey Who it was most memorable for you to play against? 82 00:05:13,467 --> 00:05:16,107 Speaker 3: Well, there were many, many good. 83 00:05:17,467 --> 00:05:22,787 Speaker 5: And great players, and I have the opportunity to play 84 00:05:22,947 --> 00:05:24,867 Speaker 5: with them and to play against them. 85 00:05:26,027 --> 00:05:27,147 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say one. 86 00:05:28,067 --> 00:05:32,907 Speaker 5: David Pirk was one, Dave Loveridge was another one, and 87 00:05:33,027 --> 00:05:35,267 Speaker 5: there were many. I mean, if I give you a name, 88 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:41,107 Speaker 5: I will not be really How can I tell? I 89 00:05:41,227 --> 00:05:47,187 Speaker 5: will not be really fair? So so I think. 90 00:05:48,667 --> 00:05:50,947 Speaker 3: It was a pleasure to play against and with them. 91 00:05:51,147 --> 00:05:56,267 Speaker 2: Anyway, What sort of style Argentina playing right now? And 92 00:05:56,387 --> 00:05:58,787 Speaker 2: do you like the style of rugby dire playing? 93 00:06:01,587 --> 00:06:04,947 Speaker 5: I think I don't know a lot about the rugby 94 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:08,307 Speaker 5: they play today because there's been a lot of analysis, 95 00:06:08,387 --> 00:06:11,227 Speaker 5: a lot of information that we don't have when we 96 00:06:11,427 --> 00:06:15,347 Speaker 5: used to play rugby. And I think that's in the 97 00:06:15,387 --> 00:06:19,347 Speaker 5: culture of every country. I mean, we will never play 98 00:06:19,507 --> 00:06:22,227 Speaker 5: like the All Blacks because we are a different culture. 99 00:06:22,267 --> 00:06:26,067 Speaker 5: We are Latins. We will probably try to play more 100 00:06:26,187 --> 00:06:29,907 Speaker 5: like the French. But anyway, the rugby that I like 101 00:06:30,147 --> 00:06:33,347 Speaker 5: is to keep the ball alive and to run the ball, 102 00:06:33,467 --> 00:06:38,227 Speaker 5: and to play a fifteen man rugby, an open rugby. 103 00:06:38,267 --> 00:06:41,067 Speaker 2: Now, yes, and I remember you playing that way you 104 00:06:41,227 --> 00:06:45,227 Speaker 2: go and everybody just loved watching it. Do you think 105 00:06:45,627 --> 00:06:48,907 Speaker 2: these days there's perhaps a bit too much structure, a 106 00:06:48,907 --> 00:06:52,307 Speaker 2: bit too much analysis and the game of rugby. 107 00:06:52,947 --> 00:06:53,987 Speaker 3: Well probably yes. 108 00:06:54,507 --> 00:07:00,347 Speaker 5: I've never played professional game, so that makes me completely 109 00:07:00,427 --> 00:07:03,867 Speaker 5: free of taking my decisions inside the field when I 110 00:07:03,907 --> 00:07:08,907 Speaker 5: was playing. I think today the game is so professional, 111 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:12,547 Speaker 5: and you got the coach that is professional. Everybody is 112 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:15,627 Speaker 5: waiting for you to do what the coach is telling 113 00:07:15,707 --> 00:07:19,907 Speaker 5: you to do. But anyway, I think that the players 114 00:07:19,947 --> 00:07:22,827 Speaker 5: that are making the difference are the players that got 115 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:27,307 Speaker 5: their own mind, their own way of thinking, and their 116 00:07:27,387 --> 00:07:33,347 Speaker 5: own way of executing things. So I disagree completely. For example, 117 00:07:33,547 --> 00:07:36,987 Speaker 5: my friends were very keen when when the spring Books 118 00:07:36,987 --> 00:07:41,107 Speaker 5: were playing and the coach was with one flag of 119 00:07:41,147 --> 00:07:46,427 Speaker 5: one color another flag of another color to tell the 120 00:07:46,467 --> 00:07:49,867 Speaker 5: players what they have to do. I think you must 121 00:07:49,867 --> 00:07:52,067 Speaker 5: not be a robot. You are a human being and 122 00:07:52,107 --> 00:07:55,347 Speaker 5: you have to have your own way of thinking and 123 00:07:55,387 --> 00:07:56,827 Speaker 5: making your own decisions. 124 00:07:56,867 --> 00:08:01,147 Speaker 2: Now and they just finally. What would it mean for 125 00:08:01,867 --> 00:08:05,987 Speaker 2: the Argentinian rugby team and rugby fans and Argentina for 126 00:08:06,107 --> 00:08:09,107 Speaker 2: the to beat the All Blacks for the first time 127 00:08:09,627 --> 00:08:10,467 Speaker 2: on home soil. 128 00:08:13,147 --> 00:08:14,827 Speaker 3: It would be amaze, you know what I mean. 129 00:08:15,347 --> 00:08:17,547 Speaker 5: I always said that I was going to be alive 130 00:08:17,707 --> 00:08:20,707 Speaker 5: to see the Pumas beating the Old Blacks, and I 131 00:08:20,827 --> 00:08:25,267 Speaker 5: was lucky enough to be alive. If I I probably 132 00:08:25,867 --> 00:08:32,667 Speaker 5: could be very keen and happy to see them beating 133 00:08:32,787 --> 00:08:35,747 Speaker 5: the Old Blacks in Argentina. It would be great for 134 00:08:35,867 --> 00:08:38,427 Speaker 5: our people, it would be great for the country and 135 00:08:38,507 --> 00:08:39,547 Speaker 5: for our rugby. 136 00:08:39,707 --> 00:08:42,107 Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be around for many more years yet, Ugo, 137 00:08:42,187 --> 00:08:44,987 Speaker 2: who knows it might even happen this weekend. Thank you 138 00:08:45,027 --> 00:08:46,827 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. It's been a great pleasure 139 00:08:46,867 --> 00:08:47,427 Speaker 2: to talk with you. 140 00:08:48,587 --> 00:08:51,987 Speaker 5: Thanks very much for remembering me, and send my love 141 00:08:52,107 --> 00:08:56,067 Speaker 5: to all the people that I've been through in New Zealand. 142 00:08:57,147 --> 00:09:00,027 Speaker 2: What a champion of a man Ugo Porta joining us 143 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:03,507 Speaker 2: out of Argentina ahead of the first test tomorrow morning 144 00:09:03,547 --> 00:09:07,387 Speaker 2: between his nation and our nation and the rug BE Championship. 145 00:09:07,427 --> 00:09:10,987 Speaker 2: That game in nineteen eighty five, the second of November 146 00:09:11,227 --> 00:09:15,067 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five. I vividly remember watching that game. This 147 00:09:15,147 --> 00:09:17,267 Speaker 2: would have been around about the same time. I guess, 148 00:09:17,387 --> 00:09:20,427 Speaker 2: as we're going to watch these games tomorrow sort of nine. 149 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:22,867 Speaker 2: I remember it being sort of a like a nine 150 00:09:22,867 --> 00:09:26,827 Speaker 2: o'clock kind of thing. And Hugo Porta kicked four penalties 151 00:09:26,867 --> 00:09:31,627 Speaker 2: and three drop goals twenty one all against the All Blacks. 152 00:09:31,627 --> 00:09:33,707 Speaker 2: The closest, as I said before, they've ever come to 153 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:36,707 Speaker 2: beating the All Blacks in Argentina. They've done it three 154 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:40,467 Speaker 2: times now away from Argentina. Once was on neutral territory 155 00:09:40,467 --> 00:09:44,187 Speaker 2: in Australia and COVID times, and then in christ Church 156 00:09:45,067 --> 00:09:48,827 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and then last year in Wellington. 157 00:09:49,907 --> 00:09:53,467 Speaker 2: Listen to this team though, this team of All Blacks 158 00:09:53,467 --> 00:09:56,947 Speaker 2: who played against Argentina in nineteen eighty five. Front row 159 00:09:57,027 --> 00:10:02,187 Speaker 2: Brian mcgratten, Hicker Reid and Steve McDowell locking the scrum, 160 00:10:02,267 --> 00:10:05,947 Speaker 2: Andy Hayden and Gary Wetton. The loose trio, Mark Shaw, 161 00:10:06,547 --> 00:10:10,427 Speaker 2: Jock Hobbs and Murray mextead Dave Loveridge was half back 162 00:10:10,427 --> 00:10:13,667 Speaker 2: and Hugo Porta mentioned him there, Wayne Smith at first five, 163 00:10:14,187 --> 00:10:18,307 Speaker 2: Warreck Taylor and Victor Simpson in midfield, Craig Green on 164 00:10:18,307 --> 00:10:21,067 Speaker 2: the left wing, John Kerwin on the right and Karen 165 00:10:21,147 --> 00:10:25,107 Speaker 2: Crowley the fallback man. There's some names in there, some 166 00:10:25,307 --> 00:10:27,707 Speaker 2: names in there, So what are you predicting of it 167 00:10:27,707 --> 00:10:29,947 Speaker 2: tomorrow morning. I feel like we'll win the game, But 168 00:10:29,987 --> 00:10:31,427 Speaker 2: then I think the All Blacks will win every single 169 00:10:31,507 --> 00:10:37,507 Speaker 2: game they play. You'd want an improvement, wouldn't you on 170 00:10:37,627 --> 00:10:40,267 Speaker 2: what happened against France in terms of the totality of 171 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:43,427 Speaker 2: those three matches. The All Blacks themselves admitted they were 172 00:10:43,827 --> 00:10:46,147 Speaker 2: short in a bunch of areas, But then you look 173 00:10:46,147 --> 00:10:48,667 Speaker 2: at the team that they've named and there's clear intent here. 174 00:10:48,747 --> 00:10:51,147 Speaker 2: The team that they've named for this match tomorrow morning 175 00:10:51,747 --> 00:10:55,307 Speaker 2: the strongest they could have named with the players available. 176 00:10:55,547 --> 00:10:57,587 Speaker 2: The only two I think who would be there if 177 00:10:57,587 --> 00:11:01,267 Speaker 2: they were fit are Wallace a Titi and to Mighty Williams. 178 00:11:02,387 --> 00:11:05,787 Speaker 2: Otherwise it's probably the strongest team. It's probably the team 179 00:11:05,827 --> 00:11:08,947 Speaker 2: that that you know and again that we play as 180 00:11:08,987 --> 00:11:11,907 Speaker 2: coming back in the likexicam Roy Garden. Perhaps others but 181 00:11:12,347 --> 00:11:15,147 Speaker 2: the bulk of this team that plays tomorrow morning will 182 00:11:15,147 --> 00:11:18,107 Speaker 2: probably play against South Africa at Eton Park on the 183 00:11:18,147 --> 00:11:19,067 Speaker 2: sixth of September. 184 00:11:20,027 --> 00:11:23,227 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 185 00:11:23,347 --> 00:11:26,627 Speaker 1: to news talks at B Weekends from midday, or follow 186 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:28,267 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio