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Speaker 1: The government reckons New Zealand could hit its net zero

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Speaker 1: emissions goal of twenty fifty six years earlier than expected,

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Speaker 1: which will be a surprise to some Minister of a

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Speaker 1: climate change Simon Watt says we could reach net zero

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Speaker 1: as soon as twenty forty four with his new emissions

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Speaker 1: reduction plan, which is released this morning. It has eight

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Speaker 1: policy steps to curb emissions. So I'll run you through

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Speaker 1: introducing agricultural emissions pricing by twenty thirty, recognizing carbon capture

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Speaker 1: as part of the ETS, increasing the amount of gas

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Speaker 1: captured by landfills, putting in ten thousand charging units for evs,

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Speaker 1: and more.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined now by Victoria University Climate Change adjunct professor

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Speaker 1: and man with a long business guard again, Dr Adrian Macy. Hello, Adrian,

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Speaker 1: good morning. You've had a look at the plan. Will

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Speaker 1: it work? For Simon.

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Speaker 2: It's well, of course he looked a lot at twenty

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Speaker 2: fifty and twenty fifty that's you know, that's sort of

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Speaker 2: ten governments ahead of us. But I think just what

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Speaker 2: struck me as two things actually one plan has got

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Speaker 2: a very strong focus on the economy, on the health

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Speaker 2: of the economy, and a lot of the initiatives are

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Speaker 2: really integrated between economy and climate. And secondly, is that focus,

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Speaker 2: particularly the focus as you've had mentioned on the twenty

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Speaker 2: fifty goal, that's the really important one. And I think

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Speaker 2: what they're doing is they're giving a message to the

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Speaker 2: different sectors business, forestry, agriculture, We're not going to send

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Speaker 2: you to the wall. You've got to be we see

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Speaker 2: you as being prosperous as part of the journey. But

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Speaker 2: also there's these sexral initiatives. They look to me, they're

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Speaker 2: all seem to be quite sensible. The CCS one which

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, that's carbon capture and storage. A number of

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Speaker 2: us think that's going to play a big role if

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Speaker 2: countries are going to meet these net zero targets, so

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Speaker 2: recognizing that is useful. The EVS one rolling out charging stations.

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Speaker 1: It does appear to be around on the edges on

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Speaker 1: issues that we haven't really talked about. Everyone just talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, get it an ev or whatever, let this

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Speaker 1: get some more windmills. He's talking about improving organic waste

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Speaker 1: management and landfill gas capture because all these little things

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Speaker 1: do amount to something quite big.

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Speaker 2: Well, what he's done, I think is they've focused yes,

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Speaker 2: sector Bisector on things that are quite they look quite practical.

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Speaker 2: The other thing they've done, which is not quite so obvious,

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Speaker 2: they've scrapped literally dozens and dozens of projects that were

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Speaker 2: underway in the different government departments, which look to be well,

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Speaker 2: from my view anyway, rather less focused on this practical stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I think in that sense it's useful. There are

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Speaker 2: a few question marks. For example, it looks if they're

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Speaker 2: going to be very cautious about changing the free allocation scheme.

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Speaker 2: There's been the big industries who can get some free

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Speaker 2: allocation of units under the ETES more polluting ones, and

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Speaker 2: they're certainly not saying well, we're going to scrape all those,

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Speaker 2: So there's a few question marks over it for sure.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Doctor Adrian Masi joins me from Victoria, gunib Sex.

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Speaker 1: So there we go. It looks like Simon WHATTS might

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Speaker 1: have done it.

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