1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:12,307 Speaker 1: from News TALKSB. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:16,187 Speaker 2: Seems almost cruel to get you on, James mcconey after 4 00:00:16,267 --> 00:00:17,307 Speaker 2: last night, Are you okay? 5 00:00:20,547 --> 00:00:25,147 Speaker 3: My brother alive? It's been tough? Any shot the music? 6 00:00:25,227 --> 00:00:27,507 Speaker 3: Please come on, please show some respect? 7 00:00:30,267 --> 00:00:30,507 Speaker 1: Wow? 8 00:00:30,587 --> 00:00:33,387 Speaker 2: That is that is quite the burn. That is quite 9 00:00:33,427 --> 00:00:34,667 Speaker 2: the burn. Isn't it all right? 10 00:00:34,707 --> 00:00:38,387 Speaker 3: Andy? You've had your fun there? It has been tough. 11 00:00:38,547 --> 00:00:40,867 Speaker 3: And look, even if I wanted to put my Chiefs 12 00:00:40,907 --> 00:00:43,467 Speaker 3: jerseys on a bonfire last night, I couldn't because of 13 00:00:43,507 --> 00:00:48,067 Speaker 3: the persistent rain that cost us the game. As soon 14 00:00:48,107 --> 00:00:51,747 Speaker 3: as it rained, Pineer, it was over. But full credit, 15 00:00:51,867 --> 00:00:54,707 Speaker 3: as they say to vn Cottra Patrick twopul or two 16 00:00:54,707 --> 00:00:58,667 Speaker 3: in the Blues just so dominant. What a performance it was. 17 00:00:58,787 --> 00:01:02,187 Speaker 2: It was a terrific Grand Final performance from the Blues. 18 00:01:03,467 --> 00:01:04,947 Speaker 2: I don't want to gloss over or anything like that, 19 00:01:05,027 --> 00:01:07,547 Speaker 2: but do you think there was some last night who 20 00:01:07,667 --> 00:01:10,107 Speaker 2: really stuck their hand up for all Black selection if 21 00:01:10,147 --> 00:01:12,307 Speaker 2: they hadn't already. 22 00:01:14,467 --> 00:01:18,107 Speaker 3: Look, I'm worried that it's maybe cost some of my guys. 23 00:01:18,747 --> 00:01:23,547 Speaker 3: Let's just say the Chiefs their selection. I will just 24 00:01:23,587 --> 00:01:25,227 Speaker 3: before we move on to selection, I just want to 25 00:01:25,227 --> 00:01:28,267 Speaker 3: say Patrick two Pulo two was immense, and I agree 26 00:01:28,267 --> 00:01:31,467 Speaker 3: with your caller Chris about a kidder Jouanni. He was 27 00:01:31,507 --> 00:01:33,787 Speaker 3: almost made of a match for me as well. I 28 00:01:33,827 --> 00:01:36,587 Speaker 3: think it went to Patrick in the end. But yes, 29 00:01:37,267 --> 00:01:41,147 Speaker 3: and also a couple of unsung heroes. Marcel Lenetta, you know, 30 00:01:41,347 --> 00:01:44,147 Speaker 3: first season as a starting prop and he was this 31 00:01:44,267 --> 00:01:47,427 Speaker 3: incredible hustle, huge engine and aj Lamb filling it at 32 00:01:47,467 --> 00:01:50,507 Speaker 3: second five. He's a winger and ye played so well 33 00:01:50,747 --> 00:01:53,507 Speaker 3: at the back end of the season. But yes, selections, Piney, 34 00:01:54,667 --> 00:01:58,907 Speaker 3: who is your let's just say the interesting selection, who 35 00:01:58,947 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 3: is your third hooker? 36 00:02:00,107 --> 00:02:02,987 Speaker 2: And I'll respond mine is Ricky ric Attelli. 37 00:02:04,747 --> 00:02:08,387 Speaker 3: Yes, I think I agree Ricky Rhino is going to 38 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:11,947 Speaker 3: get his chance an undersized hook about what a player, 39 00:02:12,427 --> 00:02:19,067 Speaker 3: big heart, gutsy, tough, just what Razor likes, accurate thrower. 40 00:02:19,587 --> 00:02:23,867 Speaker 3: So maybe George Bell, who I thought might be getting 41 00:02:23,867 --> 00:02:27,347 Speaker 3: the nod out of the Crusaders. I think Ricky could 42 00:02:27,427 --> 00:02:31,067 Speaker 3: get his chance there, although because he's part Italian, I'd 43 00:02:31,067 --> 00:02:34,387 Speaker 3: almost say just go and play one hundred tests for Italy. 44 00:02:34,507 --> 00:02:37,387 Speaker 3: You know there's a number one. 45 00:02:37,787 --> 00:02:40,107 Speaker 2: The only other guy, the only other guy they could 46 00:02:40,147 --> 00:02:41,987 Speaker 2: look at is Kurt Eklund, but he's been number two 47 00:02:41,987 --> 00:02:44,387 Speaker 2: to Ricketelly for the Blues, so yeah, I kind of 48 00:02:44,387 --> 00:02:47,947 Speaker 2: feel you. It's it's Taylor Almore and Rickettelly. I expect 49 00:02:47,987 --> 00:02:50,707 Speaker 2: this is the three hookers. Who do you think? Do 50 00:02:50,787 --> 00:02:54,827 Speaker 2: you think that in terms of the outside backs, where 51 00:02:54,827 --> 00:02:56,467 Speaker 2: does Stephen Petter Fetter fit into this whole thing? 52 00:02:56,467 --> 00:02:56,667 Speaker 3: For you? 53 00:02:56,787 --> 00:02:58,267 Speaker 2: Is he an outside back? Is your first five? What 54 00:02:58,387 --> 00:02:58,547 Speaker 2: is he? 55 00:02:59,547 --> 00:03:02,347 Speaker 3: I think Peter Fetter has to be picked because you've 56 00:03:02,347 --> 00:03:06,547 Speaker 3: got Mackenzie and Bowden as the first five and this, 57 00:03:07,027 --> 00:03:11,667 Speaker 3: you know, I think goalkicking wise, you've got Jordie as 58 00:03:11,907 --> 00:03:15,067 Speaker 3: you know him, and McKenzie is maybe your main goalkickers, 59 00:03:15,427 --> 00:03:17,827 Speaker 3: but that means you still need another goalkicker and it's 60 00:03:17,827 --> 00:03:22,907 Speaker 3: either Bowden or Stephen pt Pedofetter, and I mean either all. 61 00:03:22,987 --> 00:03:25,187 Speaker 3: But I think Peter Fetter will get in for those 62 00:03:25,227 --> 00:03:27,867 Speaker 3: skills and be able to cover their position. And I 63 00:03:27,907 --> 00:03:32,227 Speaker 3: think his versatility may just cost Ruben Love, who's been incredible. 64 00:03:32,507 --> 00:03:35,467 Speaker 3: But I think Ruben Love is in a maybe even 65 00:03:35,507 --> 00:03:38,987 Speaker 3: a four way battle for that other outside back. You know, 66 00:03:39,627 --> 00:03:43,947 Speaker 3: is it Josh Morby or Jacob that too? Mike Tevukenakkins. 67 00:03:44,467 --> 00:03:47,827 Speaker 3: Could we get an absolute bolter like shayfe Hackey. You know, 68 00:03:47,947 --> 00:03:51,947 Speaker 3: this is the thing about Razor is he will want 69 00:03:51,987 --> 00:03:54,307 Speaker 3: people who are tough, you can take the high ball, 70 00:03:54,347 --> 00:03:58,227 Speaker 3: who can handle England. And maybe he's just going to 71 00:03:58,267 --> 00:04:00,187 Speaker 3: come up with something out of the box there. 72 00:04:01,107 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that he will be in the team. 73 00:04:03,227 --> 00:04:06,787 Speaker 2: But Harry Plummer he started just two games it first 74 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:09,307 Speaker 2: five for the Blues last year. He's basically run the 75 00:04:09,307 --> 00:04:12,107 Speaker 2: cutter for them for the last three months. Stephen Petefener, 76 00:04:12,147 --> 00:04:13,907 Speaker 2: who was supposed to be first five has been pushed 77 00:04:13,907 --> 00:04:16,267 Speaker 2: back to fullback. I mean, I'd like to say I 78 00:04:16,267 --> 00:04:17,627 Speaker 2: don't think Harry Plumber is going to be in this 79 00:04:17,667 --> 00:04:20,507 Speaker 2: all black squad, but what an influence on the Blues. 80 00:04:21,627 --> 00:04:24,147 Speaker 3: Well, if Boden wasn't coming back, I think Harry would 81 00:04:24,147 --> 00:04:26,867 Speaker 3: be in the squad. That's that's how good he's been. 82 00:04:27,187 --> 00:04:31,907 Speaker 3: So Boden returning from Japan is really cutting plumbers lunch there. 83 00:04:32,387 --> 00:04:35,867 Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree, I think Plumber was exceptionally again 84 00:04:35,947 --> 00:04:39,827 Speaker 3: last night. And also, you know one thing I should 85 00:04:39,827 --> 00:04:42,107 Speaker 3: say about rugby journalist is they always go, oh, you 86 00:04:42,187 --> 00:04:44,787 Speaker 3: need a world class first five to win Super Rugby 87 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:47,027 Speaker 3: and then in the same breath. They say, well you can't. 88 00:04:47,307 --> 00:04:50,627 Speaker 3: The game's one up front. Make your mind up, rugby journalists. 89 00:04:50,667 --> 00:04:55,067 Speaker 3: But obviously last night the game was run up front. 90 00:04:55,427 --> 00:04:57,467 Speaker 3: But the first five at the cutter running the cutter 91 00:04:57,707 --> 00:05:01,387 Speaker 3: was not an international. It was humble Harry Plumber, a 92 00:05:01,507 --> 00:05:04,387 Speaker 3: kid from Auckland. He's just come through and plugged away 93 00:05:04,427 --> 00:05:07,267 Speaker 3: for years in that team and as as a bit part, 94 00:05:07,347 --> 00:05:09,707 Speaker 3: you know, as an understudy. So I think there was 95 00:05:10,067 --> 00:05:12,227 Speaker 3: outstanding one for the underdogs last night. 96 00:05:12,747 --> 00:05:17,907 Speaker 2: Indeed, the entree to the rugby wasn't that palatable, was it. 97 00:05:17,947 --> 00:05:20,027 Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether you caught much of the Warriors game. 98 00:05:21,187 --> 00:05:23,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I was really concerned for Mike Hosking 99 00:05:24,147 --> 00:05:27,547 Speaker 3: on Kate Hawksby's social I just was worried about him, 100 00:05:27,787 --> 00:05:30,987 Speaker 3: and yeah, he was kind of going through all the 101 00:05:31,027 --> 00:05:34,707 Speaker 3: stages of grief over eighty minutes, it seemed. And that 102 00:05:35,427 --> 00:05:38,587 Speaker 3: kind of defeat is a total Steve Hanson, flush the 103 00:05:38,627 --> 00:05:42,507 Speaker 3: dunny and move on. My moment. You can't, you can't 104 00:05:42,547 --> 00:05:45,307 Speaker 3: really dwell on that. This is the one thing I 105 00:05:45,347 --> 00:05:50,147 Speaker 3: thought was lacking was just that confidence to regroup. And 106 00:05:50,707 --> 00:05:52,987 Speaker 3: I thought, well, you've got enough experienced players out there, 107 00:05:53,027 --> 00:05:58,587 Speaker 3: so that would be the big headache for Andrew Webster 108 00:05:58,867 --> 00:06:02,147 Speaker 3: is does he persist with these guys, give him another chance, 109 00:06:02,347 --> 00:06:04,907 Speaker 3: or does he go with that young group that did 110 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:08,027 Speaker 3: so well against pen Rethicule of weeks ago. This is 111 00:06:08,547 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 3: that's going to be watched the Space just including another 112 00:06:12,907 --> 00:06:17,267 Speaker 3: watch the Space selection. Do you go with Peter Larkeye 113 00:06:17,347 --> 00:06:22,107 Speaker 3: probably getting the backup seven spot or do you say 114 00:06:22,107 --> 00:06:25,667 Speaker 3: Braden you're saying or Wallace a Titi comes in to 115 00:06:25,787 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 3: provide some you know, some ball carrying expertise. Pining is, Yeah, I. 116 00:06:31,507 --> 00:06:33,547 Speaker 2: Haven't got any of that. Of my lucies. I've got 117 00:06:33,587 --> 00:06:37,347 Speaker 2: Blackhead of female Jacobs and papal Savia and Sotutu. 118 00:06:38,747 --> 00:06:40,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a. 119 00:06:40,707 --> 00:06:42,467 Speaker 2: Crowded field, right, it's a crowded field. 120 00:06:43,187 --> 00:06:46,467 Speaker 3: It's a crowded Maybe watch the what do you call 121 00:06:46,467 --> 00:06:52,467 Speaker 3: it training? The way that raising sneaks in some bolts, 122 00:06:52,467 --> 00:06:56,787 Speaker 3: because even the battle between Quartiez, Latima and Fatava I 123 00:06:56,827 --> 00:06:59,547 Speaker 3: think is tight, although I think Latima will get the 124 00:06:59,667 --> 00:07:03,107 Speaker 3: nod and Nigel Hotham's seat of breathing down her neck 125 00:07:03,147 --> 00:07:06,627 Speaker 3: in the next couple of seasons. But because they're playing Inland, 126 00:07:06,627 --> 00:07:08,947 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be more conservative. If they're 127 00:07:08,987 --> 00:07:12,707 Speaker 3: playing a different nation. If it was Wales or Scotland 128 00:07:12,787 --> 00:07:17,467 Speaker 3: or just you know, anyone else coming south this winter, 129 00:07:17,787 --> 00:07:23,707 Speaker 3: they are quite different here and Harvey Leap. I would 130 00:07:23,907 --> 00:07:26,787 Speaker 3: like to actually see Billy Proctor elite frog there or 131 00:07:26,827 --> 00:07:29,587 Speaker 3: maybe even Quinti Pie come back and into the mix, 132 00:07:29,707 --> 00:07:33,867 Speaker 3: because I think that Proctor has been incredible this entire season. 133 00:07:34,267 --> 00:07:36,227 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been very good. Hey, just a quick word 134 00:07:36,227 --> 00:07:39,507 Speaker 2: on the Euros. Are England are They were favorites going 135 00:07:39,507 --> 00:07:43,067 Speaker 2: into the tournament by most bookies estimation? Are England just 136 00:07:43,067 --> 00:07:43,667 Speaker 2: not very good? 137 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:47,667 Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm not sure what they are. They're confusing, and 138 00:07:47,747 --> 00:07:51,347 Speaker 3: I think Gareth Southgate, now that he's lost the waistcoat, 139 00:07:51,427 --> 00:07:54,347 Speaker 3: just hasn't got his mojo. He's just what was he 140 00:07:54,387 --> 00:07:55,227 Speaker 3: wearing it? I'm not sure. 141 00:07:55,267 --> 00:07:57,187 Speaker 2: I haven't seen No, he's not No, I haven't seen them. 142 00:07:57,267 --> 00:07:58,267 Speaker 2: Haven't seen the waistcoat. 143 00:07:58,427 --> 00:08:02,307 Speaker 3: Yeah, big issue. But they've got three really good attackers 144 00:08:02,347 --> 00:08:06,187 Speaker 3: and Harry Kane, Quay Osaka and Phil Foden and they're 145 00:08:06,187 --> 00:08:08,427 Speaker 3: not quite sure what to do with them and they're 146 00:08:08,467 --> 00:08:11,627 Speaker 3: not yelling at all. They left out Marcus Rashford, he 147 00:08:11,667 --> 00:08:15,547 Speaker 3: didn't ever make the squad, so right now England is 148 00:08:15,587 --> 00:08:19,947 Speaker 3: sort of struggling for chemistry really and also leaning on 149 00:08:20,147 --> 00:08:24,107 Speaker 3: even though their best player, Dude Bellingham, has just won 150 00:08:24,187 --> 00:08:27,667 Speaker 3: the UOCA Champions League. He is twenty twenty one years old. 151 00:08:28,107 --> 00:08:33,667 Speaker 3: It's crazy expecting him to provide that or run the 152 00:08:33,707 --> 00:08:38,587 Speaker 3: cut for them. So look, I think they he might 153 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:42,107 Speaker 3: actually have to try and put in some of those 154 00:08:42,107 --> 00:08:44,707 Speaker 3: players that he never thought were going to play because 155 00:08:45,107 --> 00:08:46,747 Speaker 3: they just look all at Sea and they don't have 156 00:08:46,907 --> 00:08:48,227 Speaker 3: any cutting edge at the morning. 157 00:08:48,667 --> 00:08:50,587 Speaker 2: No good on you, James Grade to chat as always, 158 00:08:50,627 --> 00:08:52,707 Speaker 2: James mcconny, big part of our Sunday six and a 159 00:08:52,787 --> 00:08:54,107 Speaker 2: half to two news talks. 160 00:08:54,107 --> 00:09:02,987 Speaker 1: HEADB for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen 161 00:09:03,067 --> 00:09:06,827 Speaker 1: live to News Talks EDB weekends from midday. Follow the 162 00:09:06,827 --> 00:09:08,307 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio