1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister is with us. Good to see you, 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: good to see it. Do you expect to see a 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: global recession? 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: I think the tariffs and trade wars are going to 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: cause huge pressure economically, no doubt about it. It'll lead 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: to rising inflation, there'll be currency challenges, they'll be slow 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: down in economic growth. And that's why we just don't 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: think it's the right thing. You know, tariffs, trade war 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: is not the way to go forward. Actually hurts lots 10 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: of countries, all countries, I think ultimately, and so it's 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: a real challenge. 12 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Do you expect the EU to come back like China 13 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: has over the weekend? 14 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that the noises everyone wants to go 15 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: into full retaliatory mode and trade war mode, and I 16 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: just think that's going to be bad, bad outcomes for everybody. 17 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: You've obviously got a lot of countries now that have 18 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: had the retaliatory higher rates of tariffs coming back to 19 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: the government, coming back to the Trump administration to say otherwise. 20 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: But I mean it's interesting, Mike, having lived in the US, 21 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: that private sector will slow up big time. It'll stop 22 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: on a dime. And you've seen that even over the weekend. 23 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: People don't buy the new car, because the new car 24 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: is going to be twenty five percent, it's more expensive. 25 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: Businesses don't go off and invest plant and cap on 26 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: growth and actually start to sort of kick for touch 27 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: rather than play to win. And the only loser and 28 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: all of that is going to be the US consumer. 29 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: It's going to be paying a lot more and as 30 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: a result, the US economy, when it's a quarter to 31 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: a third of the total global economy, that has flow 32 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: on effects everywhere. So you know, we are in quite 33 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: good shape, you know, relatively speaking. I think we're quite 34 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: well positioned with the product mix that we sell and 35 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: the demand for our products and services. And that's why 36 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: we're out in the world trying to drum up business 37 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: and other places as well. Can you explain whose logic No, 38 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I just have been a person for a 39 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: long time just doesn't believe that tariff's work. I mean, 40 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: all that happens as you end up just piling on 41 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: cost to the consumer in your own country. It's the 42 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: same reason why we won't retaliate with a ten percent 43 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: tariff the other way, because Franklin's just hurts New Zealand 44 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: workers big time. So it's not good. We disagree with 45 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: the approach. It's not a surprise. I mean, the President 46 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: campaigned very strongly on this through his election campaign. But 47 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: rubbers hitting the road now because it will cause disruption economically. 48 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: But I'd just say to you, I think relative to 49 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: other countries, the kind of products we are selling are 50 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: in huge demand across the Indo Pacific region, and we 51 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: have lots of places to sell products too, And that's 52 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: what I've been pushing. 53 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: Do you see a material shift? So red meat is 54 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: probably your best story. We sell now red meat to 55 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: the Americans more than we sell to anybody in the world. 56 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: Where does that red meat go? Does it go to 57 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: America plus or does it go to somewhere else? 58 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: For Look, here's the deal. You're right, red meats the 59 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: number one export that we've got into the US. But 60 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: when you talk to that sector, they have done a 61 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: very good job of tailoring their products to American consumers. 62 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: And you've got to remember in the US it's three 63 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty million people. You've got people that are 64 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: largely recession proof, and if you find the right seam 65 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: of gold, that is wealthy consumers that actually, you know, 66 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: we haven't had a free trade agreement. We've out dealt 67 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: with tariffs in the US system for some time, and 68 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: our guys, through better targeting of their products and finding 69 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: those niches, are able to get in their zespri for example, 70 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: about to go launch full bore into the US. Spoke 71 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: to them on the day of the tariffs and then 72 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: before they still feel like this huge opportunity and so 73 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: our nimbleness and our relative competitiveness compared to other countries 74 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: I think means that people's experts still feel they can 75 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: do well. But having said that, we want to double 76 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: exports everywhere, that means trading and selling stuff everywhere. 77 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Okay, Truty principles builders that go back to the House 78 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: this week. 79 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: It will come out of the Yes, it's coming back 80 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: into the House this. 81 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Week, so as it did this week. 82 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: Well, it'll be depending on the Leader of the House 83 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: as to when it's scheduled. But you know, it's got 84 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: to come to an end. I think, you know, we've 85 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: had an aeration of the issues. There's been strong views 86 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: on all sides of that debate, and now we've got 87 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: to bring it too close. 88 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: Indeed, does it go back to you in some way, 89 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: shape or form of your negotiating skills or lack of. 90 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Either back it and let it see it's or kill 91 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: it one or the other, because what you've given this 92 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: country is this half baked shambles basically. 93 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean we didn't want to do it at all, 94 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: act wanted to go to a full blow and referendum. 95 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: We found the compromise, yep, I get it compromises what's 96 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: necessary in an mpronment. 97 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Even if it achieves nothing of waste everyone. 98 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: Well, I mean you know, from you know, the act 99 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: point of view, there was an aeration of views on 100 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: all sides, I guess, and you know now we're at 101 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: a place where it's it's going to come to. 102 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: Any but no regrets on your part. 103 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: No, I mean like the reality of an immature MMP 104 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: environment where you're trying and bring three parties together that 105 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: have a lot of policies that are aligned, but also 106 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: policies that are different and views that are different. You 107 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: have to compromise and find a way through. That's what 108 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: the New Zone people demand us to do with an 109 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: MMP system that they've given us to work with. And 110 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: so that does mean you've got compromise from time to time. 111 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: It does mean that you've actually got, you know, you 112 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: go through like we have on Treaty principle spill, you know, 113 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: an eration of the views. People have strong views on 114 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: all sides of it, but it is now time to 115 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: bring it to a close and focus on what matters most. 116 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: The mona WHENUI the report came out Friday. As much 117 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: as you don't want to criticize people who I'm sure 118 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: went through very difficult times, does that, in its microcosmic 119 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: way not some up some of the problems of this country. 120 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: People who weren't trained properly, shouldn't have been doing the job, 121 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: a ship that wasn't certified properly and sink well. 122 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: I think there's you know, we. 123 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Want to mean, what part of that's a good news story. 124 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: None of that's a good news story. I mean, the 125 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: only good news story out of that is that seventy 126 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: five people were able to keep their lives. And I actually, 127 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: given the events of what actually happened at that moment, 128 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, we're at very high risk of 129 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: having lost some people, and that would have been absolutely 130 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: just a different level of tragedy. Again, this is kit yes, 131 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: and it's incredibly frustrating, and it's clearly this human era 132 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: that's been the primary reason for this incident. But look, 133 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: I mean, we have to invest in New Zealanders and 134 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: we have to improve our capacity and our professionalism and 135 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: our skills. If we're going to access and create kids 136 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: that are going to be AI leaders and build your 137 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: four lane highway to Funga, which you desperately need and want, 138 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: how the hell a they supposed to do it? If 139 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: half of them can't read by at the level they 140 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: need to be for it, A five can't do meths 141 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: they need to be. 142 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: But that is New Zealand, isn't it the ship that 143 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: sinks manned by people who weren't trained properly. 144 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: Oh I disagree, I mean I disagree. There there are 145 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: New Zealanders. We are genuinely world class, and we can 146 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: be world class. But that is a reminder that we 147 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: need to continue to invest in our own skills and 148 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: to make sure that we are setting our kids up 149 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: and our grand kids up so they can compete with 150 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: the kids from Singapore for what are a lot of 151 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: high paying jobs out there in the world that we 152 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: have to get home and bring back home here. 153 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: So this morning you've released this Q two. Yes, of 154 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: what are you taking are these quarterly plans? Like I reckon, 155 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: can I just bring to your attention number thirteen? Well, 156 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to be fair to you, Q one, you've ticked off everyone, 157 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: I think bar two or three, whatever it is, So 158 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: you've really got there. Do you run the risk? You 159 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: see parst legislation to remove barriers to the use of 160 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: overseas building products, to increase competition, reduced costs. So that's 161 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: your board and all the various products, et cetera. So 162 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: you've made an announcement on that, you're now making another 163 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: announcement on that of something. You will see what I'm saying. 164 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: There's a lot of announcements going on here. Yeah. 165 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: No, so let me explain. So there's a couple of things. 166 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: First and foremost, for a bill to become law, you've 167 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: got to go through three readings this bill, right, So 168 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: it's a process of you put a bill into the 169 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: Parliament and then goes into typically a six month select 170 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: Comitee process where a public and stakeholder get to comment 171 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: on it, then comes back for a second reading, gets enhanced, 172 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: then in third reading and then it becomes law. So 173 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: you've got to deal with that process. We can truncate 174 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: some of that stuff, and that's when we use something 175 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: called urgency. But equally, the reason I do those quarterly 176 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: plans is to focus the public service and also the 177 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: coalition government and ministers, because I think you know, in 178 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: the past, what you saw was actually a public service 179 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: that had no direction from ministers and from a government. 180 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: And as a result, now every public servant gets that, 181 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: all the CEOs get that, they know what they've got 182 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: to work towards, which is actually, now we've talked about 183 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: that product overseas products, we've understood the case for it, 184 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: we've made the case for it. The public go, yeah, 185 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: that's good, and now we've actually got to make that 186 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: more and that's what meaning past the legislation means. 187 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so the guy who was running O ring at 188 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Tomaruki on Friday quit. I didn't realize he'd been away 189 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: sick since September. Is he genuinely sick? And if he 190 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: is genuinely sick, that's fine, and we feel bad for him. 191 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: Why is you still running an organization that needs a 192 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: massive amount of overhaul. 193 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to go into that individual case, 194 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: but there is genuinely a very serious you know, sickness 195 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: and health issue there and we wish him all the 196 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: very best. We've had acting sees and ce in place 197 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: since he has been on sick leave. But look, that 198 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: is an organization that has been underperforming for a long 199 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: period of time. There's been endless reviews and we now 200 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: need to actually deal with that because you know clearly 201 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: we're not getting good results of good outcomes there. 202 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: No shanean dot Jones. I'm assuming you're aware of the story. 203 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: Over the week. I called Shane, what do we do 204 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: about that? Because you're lucky you've got people looking after you. 205 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Look, I mean it's really you know, 206 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: it's interesting what you go off overseas and honestly, the 207 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: MP's and the prime ministers live in real bubbles because 208 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: there is just twenty four cars around you and when 209 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: you move through a city, it's just there's two ambulances, 210 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: there's you know, it's just banana. It's right, and we 211 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: in New Zealand want to try and maintain this thing 212 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: that I can walk through an airport and be accessible, 213 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: I can go to do a lepro on for day 214 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: night with Amanda and it's actually people are going to 215 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: be fine with me. Being out and about being appropriate, 216 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: approachable and accessible, but equally there are serious risks and threats. Sadly, 217 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: you know that there are people who get very fixated 218 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: or are very angry about a particular issue or policy 219 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: and therefore direct it at you as a politician or 220 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: prime minister. So you know, we're trying to find that 221 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: balance of getting making sure that there's enough security and 222 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: support for families in particulars. It's tough as a promise 223 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: when your wife and your kids get Missus Jones does 224 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: not deserve No, she does not. So none of that 225 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: is acceptable whatsoever. And I think you know New Zealand needs. 226 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: You know, we want to be in a place where 227 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: we can be accessible and approach with politicians, which is 228 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: highly unique compared to what happens around the world, and 229 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: actually still have security. It's interesting living in the States. 230 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: I remember talking to Obama about it. You know, like 231 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 2: most of those senators arrived by private planners to come 232 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: in to do their week in Parliament. At your equivalence, 233 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, whereas we run into people in the airports 234 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: and we're talking to our colleagues on the opposite sides, 235 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: and so that you don't want to lose that somehow. 236 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: So we've got to find this balance. And it's a 237 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: challe dual leaper any good outstanding. As I said to 238 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: you last year, best song of the Year, Chris Stapleton, 239 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: do a leaper. Yep. You got to listen to that 240 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: song outstanding. 241 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: You appreciate it. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 242 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, 243 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.