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Speaker 3: Roll action and controversy in the cricket world, Pour one fashion,

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Speaker 3: a poor one frashing from India in Tea twitties that

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Speaker 3: the Black Cats won't be facing India every day of

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Speaker 3: the world. Teach Trindy have these skills and quality needed

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Speaker 3: to she Finals Birth, Jeremy Coney and Peter Holland joining

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Speaker 3: to discuss and assess the task ahead. Is the super

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Speaker 3: smash the right fit for the domestic two twenty and

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Speaker 3: our under nineteen fight? Weather and other issues to come

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Speaker 3: up short in zimbabwek is the under nineteen game in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand advanced to the extent that it is internationally

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Speaker 3: When you look at the quality of the sides in

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Speaker 3: the final England of playing India, but a chance to well,

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Speaker 3: it's a happy new year to Peter Holland even though

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Speaker 3: it is fevery moose. It's the first time we've spoken.

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Speaker 5: And I'm all the better for it. Thank you, Brian, aren't.

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Speaker 6: We all jered well for the gap that we for

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Speaker 6: the nice silence that you've had Moose.

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, I'm leaving that door open for listeners to

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Speaker 5: try and themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we sat on a sad note too, and Jerry,

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Speaker 3: both of you knew and played with Tony Pygott, who

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Speaker 3: passed away this week, just sixty seven years of age,

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Speaker 3: a man who had a bit of stomach cancer issue.

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Speaker 3: But he was in Australia for the Ashes recently and

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Speaker 3: seemed to be still involved heavily in cricket union pretty

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Speaker 3: well most well.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know him very well and he played two

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Speaker 5: years for Wellington three and eighty four. In eighty three

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Speaker 5: in particular, Lester was outstanding, ran through a few sides Auckland.

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Speaker 5: I can remember vividly at Eden Park. He was a

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Speaker 5: damn damn good bowler, did well for one test. It

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Speaker 5: was an interesting time when we were playing, we being

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Speaker 5: campaigning of Sheen's Blintz and apparently couldn't bowl, which was

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Speaker 5: and he was sitting sitting in the sheds. But a

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, sprang out of his seat and chair,

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Speaker 5: Church for his one test, postponed his wedding for a week,

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Speaker 5: all parts and England lost in three days. You were

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Speaker 7: Jerry, Yeah, I was. I was moose.

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Speaker 6: I'd first of all just have to confirm what you

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Speaker 7: Really right through those couple of years you could always

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Speaker 6: And he had the ability to just sort of surprise

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Speaker 6: And I can imagine him sitting there moaning about his

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Speaker 6: He loved that, very proud of it. You You were

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Speaker 6: actually best man. Weren't you at his wedding when it

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Speaker 5: Yes, no, I was, and and I recall it. It

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Speaker 7: Say, Oh, well he was religious.

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Speaker 5: But no, I was the best man. I can't recall

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Speaker 7: Oh he could surprise you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was one of his wickets in the christ

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Speaker 6: miss Leicester Lester I used to see at Sussex when

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Speaker 7: And just just a good cricket man. You know, we'll

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Speaker 5: It was very interesting to see and know Leicester and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're becoming all controversial, controversial now most since you've

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Speaker 3: So yeah, a likable guy. Leicester py Got none as

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Speaker 3: Somebody you both know pretty well too, turned eighty five

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Speaker 6: it was a man called Gary Bartlet from New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: And I faced him at Puki Koura Park one afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Jerry that day, he just he loved the whole idea.

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Speaker 6: I was going to see my cousin Mike Crump, who's

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Speaker 7: They were they were not looking in good shape, but he.

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Speaker 6: I go and see them both.

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Speaker 5: I never played him, no, no, and I'm actually rather

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Speaker 5: pleased I didn't, But I do remember some of Jerry's

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Speaker 7: Never heard of Bartlet and.

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Speaker 6: Down at six as I say, and number three would

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Speaker 7: See the line of the ball towards you.

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Speaker 6: But it was the first time I'd ever faced serious pace,

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Speaker 7: No time for that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you remember Wadds, you lurched forward every time we

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Speaker 6: John Jr. Reid, the cat and of New Zealand at

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Speaker 7: They've got to watch out.

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Speaker 6: They can't just bowl liberally bounces at us because we

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Speaker 7: He loved.

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Speaker 6: Now, that's interesting, Moose. You're absolutely right. I think about that.

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Speaker 7: Very shamey, isn't it, Moose, That's what That's.

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Speaker 5: What I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 5: How to go past that, Jerry, I They they bring

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Speaker 3: continuing a state of antipathy between the two, you know,

434
00:25:16,213 --> 00:25:17,413
Speaker 3: India and Pakistan.

435
00:25:18,773 --> 00:25:22,013
Speaker 7: I don't know, but I don't know that.

436
00:25:22,213 --> 00:25:24,653
Speaker 6: But but Pakistan is saying that it's they want to

437
00:25:24,693 --> 00:25:25,533
Speaker 6: attend the tournament.

438
00:25:25,773 --> 00:25:28,413
Speaker 7: It but it's selective opponents.

439
00:25:28,053 --> 00:25:32,293
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and surprise, surprise, we'll play everyone except India.

440
00:25:32,733 --> 00:25:35,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no security issues in Sri Lanka for

441
00:25:36,053 --> 00:25:39,253
Speaker 3: US except playing India in Sri Lanka and we'll play

442
00:25:39,253 --> 00:25:40,973
Speaker 3: all the other games that we're going to play there.

443
00:25:41,173 --> 00:25:43,733
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, well, there's double standards on both

444
00:25:43,733 --> 00:25:44,733
Speaker 3: sides all.

445
00:25:44,573 --> 00:25:45,293
Speaker 7: Over the place.

446
00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:48,093
Speaker 6: I don't know why they don't reinstate Bangladesh to take

447
00:25:48,133 --> 00:25:50,733
Speaker 6: Pakistan's place in Sri Lanka is.

448
00:25:52,693 --> 00:25:55,053
Speaker 7: Anyway? I mean the the icy C.

449
00:25:55,613 --> 00:25:59,333
Speaker 6: You know, they always put Pakistan and India in the

450
00:25:59,373 --> 00:26:02,453
Speaker 6: same group, don't they because it attracts a lot of

451
00:26:02,493 --> 00:26:03,813
Speaker 6: eyeballs and it makes a lot of.

452
00:26:03,773 --> 00:26:05,973
Speaker 7: Money, that's yeah.

453
00:26:08,413 --> 00:26:11,453
Speaker 6: But no other side in the tournament is making demands

454
00:26:11,453 --> 00:26:15,613
Speaker 6: of partial participation, are they. I mean Bangladesh, we're talking

455
00:26:15,653 --> 00:26:20,293
Speaker 6: about safety and security. Yeah, yes, and they are now

456
00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:24,213
Speaker 6: denied and incomes income Scotland. But I just I just think,

457
00:26:24,293 --> 00:26:28,053
Speaker 6: you know, obviously Pakistan want to make in their squirm

458
00:26:28,093 --> 00:26:33,253
Speaker 6: a bit and embarrassed and wound their pride that just

459
00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:33,733
Speaker 6: giving a.

460
00:26:33,733 --> 00:26:36,613
Speaker 3: Little bit of tit for tat because they held the

461
00:26:36,693 --> 00:26:40,373
Speaker 3: Asia Cup and India wouldn't go in Pakistan to play

462
00:26:40,653 --> 00:26:44,533
Speaker 3: Pakistan in that country. Yeah, and so they had to

463
00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:49,653
Speaker 3: play at the you know, in the Emirates. But I

464
00:26:49,653 --> 00:26:52,293
Speaker 3: mean it's an issue of politics, not cricket. And that's

465
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:53,733
Speaker 3: the worst part of it all, isn't it.

466
00:26:53,853 --> 00:26:56,373
Speaker 7: Yes, it is it is. And they wouldn't shake hands,

467
00:26:56,373 --> 00:26:56,773
Speaker 7: would they.

468
00:26:56,813 --> 00:27:01,013
Speaker 6: And they wouldn't go and receive the Cup India from

469
00:27:01,413 --> 00:27:04,373
Speaker 6: from Motion Narque, would they were? They just wouldn't go

470
00:27:04,493 --> 00:27:07,613
Speaker 6: and do that. So maybe it is a bit of that.

471
00:27:08,053 --> 00:27:12,773
Speaker 6: Maybe there's also a wee bit of you know, well,

472
00:27:12,853 --> 00:27:17,493
Speaker 6: certainly it will affect the distribution of money, Yes, from

473
00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:20,773
Speaker 6: the ICC. They won't make as much money the ICC.

474
00:27:22,773 --> 00:27:25,853
Speaker 6: And and you've also got to look, I think the broadcaster,

475
00:27:26,613 --> 00:27:31,213
Speaker 6: is it Geo the broadcaster, I think they are. They'll

476
00:27:31,253 --> 00:27:33,253
Speaker 6: turn to the icy C and say, look, this is

477
00:27:33,293 --> 00:27:36,173
Speaker 6: this is your tournament, and our contracts is with you

478
00:27:36,733 --> 00:27:39,613
Speaker 6: that this is one of the games, and this contract

479
00:27:39,693 --> 00:27:45,093
Speaker 6: therefore is compromised and we're out or we renegotiate, you know,

480
00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:49,053
Speaker 6: we use this match in order for us to televise

481
00:27:49,173 --> 00:27:52,613
Speaker 6: the Canadian you know, Canada versus UAE or it's only

482
00:27:52,733 --> 00:27:56,013
Speaker 6: versus Namibia, that kind of thing, you know, And the

483
00:27:56,053 --> 00:28:01,973
Speaker 6: distribution of ICC funds is going to be down. And paradoxically,

484
00:28:02,093 --> 00:28:05,453
Speaker 6: it seems to me you're barring. That's what Pakistani trying

485
00:28:05,493 --> 00:28:07,653
Speaker 6: to do. They're trying to bar the one country by

486
00:28:07,693 --> 00:28:11,693
Speaker 6: not playing them they're the one country than fact that

487
00:28:11,773 --> 00:28:14,813
Speaker 6: they wish to injure. But it won't work because India

488
00:28:14,813 --> 00:28:19,013
Speaker 6: have got enough to survive of cash. It seems a

489
00:28:19,013 --> 00:28:21,773
Speaker 6: bit weird to me the whole thing in a way.

490
00:28:22,053 --> 00:28:25,293
Speaker 6: And my other concern was would be about associate nations.

491
00:28:26,053 --> 00:28:29,013
Speaker 6: You know what happens now when we get less money

492
00:28:29,053 --> 00:28:32,373
Speaker 6: and Bangladesh get less money and Sri Lanka get less money,

493
00:28:32,773 --> 00:28:36,093
Speaker 6: what is that going to affect the punt of the

494
00:28:36,213 --> 00:28:44,213
Speaker 6: relationship between us with Pakistan's bilateral family. And the last

495
00:28:44,293 --> 00:28:46,933
Speaker 6: thing mass point I would make about it is that

496
00:28:47,413 --> 00:28:52,573
Speaker 6: is it also a bit about them saying India, we're

497
00:28:52,613 --> 00:28:56,333
Speaker 6: a little bit tired of you being in charge and

498
00:28:56,373 --> 00:28:59,213
Speaker 6: making all the decisions and what we've got basically as

499
00:28:59,253 --> 00:29:04,733
Speaker 6: a shambles now going on in the world cricket where

500
00:29:04,933 --> 00:29:07,533
Speaker 6: we are going to pull this down a bit. We

501
00:29:07,653 --> 00:29:10,533
Speaker 6: are going to pull this down. We've got nothing to lose,

502
00:29:10,573 --> 00:29:13,773
Speaker 6: well weak enough anyway. I'm talking from a Pakistan point

503
00:29:13,773 --> 00:29:17,733
Speaker 6: of view there, even though we're full members, you know,

504
00:29:17,853 --> 00:29:20,493
Speaker 6: we want to pull this thing down and I'm afraid

505
00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:24,693
Speaker 6: India They're not gonna They're not going to concede, are

506
00:29:24,693 --> 00:29:25,693
Speaker 6: they to Pakistan.

507
00:29:26,413 --> 00:29:30,373
Speaker 5: And it's lamentable, isn't it that it's that, it is

508
00:29:30,413 --> 00:29:36,893
Speaker 5: what it is. But the the the open wound that

509
00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:41,253
Speaker 5: is the war between India and Pakistan since the almost

510
00:29:41,253 --> 00:29:44,853
Speaker 5: the days of the partition in the late forties, it's

511
00:29:44,933 --> 00:29:48,733
Speaker 5: just festering away. And and as I think Jerry point

512
00:29:48,773 --> 00:29:52,893
Speaker 5: rightly points out it, it just has this has this

513
00:29:53,493 --> 00:29:58,493
Speaker 5: cascading effect on through throughout cricket and India won't care

514
00:29:58,573 --> 00:30:01,333
Speaker 5: of Pakistan is the victim here. They were not caring

515
00:30:01,373 --> 00:30:04,173
Speaker 5: the slightest And that's that is sad too, because of

516
00:30:04,213 --> 00:30:06,893
Speaker 5: all the great and wonderful cricketers that come out of Pakistan.

517
00:30:08,373 --> 00:30:10,973
Speaker 5: And it's just a pity. But it's not going to

518
00:30:11,053 --> 00:30:14,813
Speaker 5: stop anytime soon. And we're still going to have to

519
00:30:15,253 --> 00:30:17,573
Speaker 5: This is still still going to occur. I just think

520
00:30:17,573 --> 00:30:20,813
Speaker 5: that the people are always who are always at at the

521
00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:24,093
Speaker 5: bottom of all this, who will suffer are the spectators

522
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:29,733
Speaker 5: and the players. And the players first, it's yeah, but

523
00:30:30,133 --> 00:30:33,173
Speaker 5: I can't see any other I can't see anything changing

524
00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:34,093
Speaker 5: anytime soon.

525
00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:35,293
Speaker 3: No.

526
00:30:36,373 --> 00:30:36,573
Speaker 4: Yeah.

527
00:30:36,613 --> 00:30:39,133
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is and many commentators have said the

528
00:30:39,133 --> 00:30:42,093
Speaker 3: most effective will be those completely reliant on revenues from

529
00:30:42,093 --> 00:30:46,133
Speaker 3: the ICC, not just the smaller and associate nations, but

530
00:30:46,253 --> 00:30:50,693
Speaker 3: the Western eastri Lanca, Bangladesh and Pakistan South Africa.

531
00:30:51,373 --> 00:30:54,693
Speaker 6: Yeah, well they're getting better because of the SA twenty.

532
00:30:56,053 --> 00:30:58,533
Speaker 7: It's still not a wealthy nation once.

533
00:30:59,013 --> 00:31:02,653
Speaker 3: No, but they have the Indian money behind their twenty

534
00:31:02,693 --> 00:31:07,413
Speaker 3: twenty to twenty So that's where they're where they're playing basically,

535
00:31:07,773 --> 00:31:12,413
Speaker 3: and why they're not playing test matches until what twenty

536
00:31:12,573 --> 00:31:17,053
Speaker 3: twenty nine whatever. Actually, anyway, the game should come first,

537
00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:23,213
Speaker 3: said one political commentator. Free from boardroom influence, decisions aren't

538
00:31:23,253 --> 00:31:27,493
Speaker 3: driven by power but by what's best for cricket globally.

539
00:31:28,173 --> 00:31:33,213
Speaker 6: I just wonder if Pakistan they play Netherlands first on

540
00:31:33,293 --> 00:31:36,253
Speaker 6: the seventh, and then they play USA on the twelfth,

541
00:31:37,253 --> 00:31:41,613
Speaker 6: and then India third on the fifteenth and Namibia to finish.

542
00:31:42,013 --> 00:31:45,093
Speaker 6: But I wonder if they played the first two matches

543
00:31:45,893 --> 00:31:48,413
Speaker 6: as if they were going to stay at the tournament

544
00:31:48,453 --> 00:31:52,173
Speaker 6: Netherlands and USA, and then they pulled out and sent

545
00:31:52,213 --> 00:31:57,253
Speaker 6: the letter a formal letter to the ICC, then after

546
00:31:57,293 --> 00:32:00,493
Speaker 6: playing two games, wouldn't that bloody wreck the tournament?

547
00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:03,853
Speaker 3: Well, It's going to be under pressure anyway, isn't it.

548
00:32:03,933 --> 00:32:05,493
Speaker 7: So tell you what?

549
00:32:06,053 --> 00:32:08,333
Speaker 6: That would really sort things out, wouldn't it if they

550
00:32:08,453 --> 00:32:08,853
Speaker 6: did that?

551
00:32:09,133 --> 00:32:12,853
Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.

552
00:32:13,053 --> 00:32:15,173
Speaker 3: What about our New Zealand at T twenty? It's been

553
00:32:15,173 --> 00:32:17,853
Speaker 3: a constant theme through the summer. Did it cost the

554
00:32:17,893 --> 00:32:21,293
Speaker 3: chief Executive of New Zealand Creakulu's job? Does super Smash

555
00:32:21,453 --> 00:32:25,533
Speaker 3: now fit the domestic bill? Or is the call for

556
00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:28,533
Speaker 3: the bbl or our own T twenty league now going

557
00:32:28,533 --> 00:32:32,253
Speaker 3: to take some presidents. I'll start with my view that

558
00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:35,533
Speaker 3: you can dismiss to the refuse Tim if you're so inclined.

559
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:39,253
Speaker 3: T twenty isn't my favorite format, as you know, but

560
00:32:39,453 --> 00:32:41,853
Speaker 3: I accept it's the way the game is funded. It's

561
00:32:41,853 --> 00:32:46,133
Speaker 3: a necessary evil, if I can say so. I spent

562
00:32:46,213 --> 00:32:49,133
Speaker 3: the summer watching my two teams, of course, the Blazes

563
00:32:49,333 --> 00:32:53,053
Speaker 3: and the Fibers. Happily celebrated another one for the Blaze

564
00:32:53,053 --> 00:32:57,533
Speaker 3: boy that was a finish and a half just care Yeah,

565
00:32:57,733 --> 00:33:01,413
Speaker 3: came out from the shadow of Sister Amelia. I also

566
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:04,613
Speaker 3: enjoyed the way Northern dissected Canterbury in the men's final.

567
00:33:04,653 --> 00:33:07,453
Speaker 3: But I sort of feel a bit robbed. If we

568
00:33:07,493 --> 00:33:09,773
Speaker 3: have a T twenty, I want to see all our

569
00:33:09,813 --> 00:33:14,373
Speaker 3: best players doing what they do best in front of

570
00:33:14,453 --> 00:33:18,533
Speaker 3: our public. Attendance numbers were modest for that month of

571
00:33:18,573 --> 00:33:22,733
Speaker 3: cricket and the TV wasn't much better. We don't have

572
00:33:23,653 --> 00:33:28,493
Speaker 3: venues under lights. The T twenty window could be changed perhaps,

573
00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:31,813
Speaker 3: But are we just going to play lip service to

574
00:33:31,853 --> 00:33:34,133
Speaker 3: the quality and let all this and Sundery develop their

575
00:33:34,133 --> 00:33:36,893
Speaker 3: white belt scores in front of a mediocre crowd or

576
00:33:36,893 --> 00:33:39,133
Speaker 3: do we need to do something seriously? Now, it's a

577
00:33:39,213 --> 00:33:43,493
Speaker 3: subject we've spoken a fair bit about most and you know,

578
00:33:43,733 --> 00:33:46,093
Speaker 3: seeing the best players playing here. If we're going to

579
00:33:46,093 --> 00:33:48,333
Speaker 3: have a competition, that's what we've got to have, don't

580
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:49,693
Speaker 3: we Yes.

581
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:55,293
Speaker 5: But I can also see the challenges being faced by

582
00:33:55,853 --> 00:33:59,053
Speaker 5: New Zealand cricket, and particularly this year with the twenty

583
00:33:59,093 --> 00:34:02,373
Speaker 5: twenty World Cup, in order to get decent preparation for

584
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:05,293
Speaker 5: our teams, which pulled away a number of the players

585
00:34:06,293 --> 00:34:09,733
Speaker 5: across to India in that guards. I think their preparations,

586
00:34:09,733 --> 00:34:12,933
Speaker 5: as I have said earlier, has been really good and so

587
00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:15,293
Speaker 5: you couldn't get around the fact that a lot of

588
00:34:15,293 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 5: our top players were away from it. But I've been

589
00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:23,333
Speaker 5: watching it from afar, I suppose the New Zealand twenty

590
00:34:23,373 --> 00:34:26,133
Speaker 5: twenty competition. And my observation is is that there's some

591
00:34:26,173 --> 00:34:32,173
Speaker 5: pretty good cricket being played. Quite why in January when

592
00:34:32,413 --> 00:34:34,693
Speaker 5: a lot of people are off, got time off, I

593
00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:39,213
Speaker 5: got time spare. We're not getting crowds. The just isn't

594
00:34:39,253 --> 00:34:43,693
Speaker 5: engagement there. And I heard I heard an interview on

595
00:34:44,453 --> 00:34:50,853
Speaker 5: a radio station with the Wellington coach. It's said Shane

596
00:34:51,893 --> 00:34:55,933
Speaker 5: Jurgensen and he and he sort of made an interesting observation.

597
00:34:55,973 --> 00:35:00,813
Speaker 5: He said, watching that Black Clash and the entertainment and

598
00:35:00,853 --> 00:35:04,093
Speaker 5: the crowds that pulled sort of spark something. And they said,

599
00:35:04,253 --> 00:35:06,013
Speaker 5: what is it that we're not doing that? A black

600
00:35:06,093 --> 00:35:09,973
Speaker 5: clash with a bunch of X rugby players and retired

601
00:35:10,013 --> 00:35:13,893
Speaker 5: cricketers can pull what they pull. And yet and yet

602
00:35:13,933 --> 00:35:15,893
Speaker 5: really good cricket's being played down the road and we're

603
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:19,533
Speaker 5: getting at how to spectators? He asked the question. I

604
00:35:19,573 --> 00:35:21,453
Speaker 5: thought it was an interesting point. I mean, I never

605
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:25,333
Speaker 5: watched that Black Cash, but it pulls a crowd. And

606
00:35:25,413 --> 00:35:30,693
Speaker 5: yet in Australia, when when the Stars play the Renegades,

607
00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:35,133
Speaker 5: they're pulling fifty thousand people to the g aren't they something.

608
00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:38,613
Speaker 5: There's something misconnect here, but in New Zealand and I

609
00:35:38,653 --> 00:35:40,293
Speaker 5: can't put my finger on it.

610
00:35:40,293 --> 00:35:42,053
Speaker 3: It's marketing promotion, isn't it.

611
00:35:42,853 --> 00:35:48,053
Speaker 5: Yeah? But yeah, yeah, I think that's probably right. But

612
00:35:48,413 --> 00:35:51,173
Speaker 5: somehow Australia seems to have got it, got it better, better,

613
00:35:51,253 --> 00:35:54,053
Speaker 5: and people are more attuned to going to these to

614
00:35:54,133 --> 00:35:56,413
Speaker 5: these matches. It's kind of more in their psyche perhaps.

615
00:35:57,093 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 5: I mean other codes struggle to get crowds as well.

616
00:35:59,613 --> 00:36:02,933
Speaker 5: I mean the main code, Raby struggles to get people

617
00:36:02,933 --> 00:36:06,653
Speaker 5: to promential games. So it's it's it's not cricket alone,

618
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:12,413
Speaker 5: it's an apathy for perhaps from New Zealand. We'reas Australians.

619
00:36:12,493 --> 00:36:16,133
Speaker 5: You know, they'll go and watch an AFL game happily

620
00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:19,413
Speaker 5: they used to it. Perhaps maybe maybe it's just a

621
00:36:19,453 --> 00:36:22,013
Speaker 5: psyche of New Zealanders here?

622
00:36:22,653 --> 00:36:24,933
Speaker 3: Is it day and night cricket, Jerry? Is it the

623
00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:27,533
Speaker 3: fact that most of the games have been played today,

624
00:36:27,693 --> 00:36:29,773
Speaker 3: Some who have lights are playing and it's been played

625
00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:33,053
Speaker 3: under lights. But the conditions in New Zealand are not

626
00:36:33,093 --> 00:36:34,693
Speaker 3: as good as they are in Australia for going to

627
00:36:34,733 --> 00:36:36,413
Speaker 3: watch cricket under lights?

628
00:36:36,413 --> 00:36:36,973
Speaker 5: Are they?

629
00:36:37,853 --> 00:36:44,373
Speaker 6: No, it's it's that's look I just think, Look, it's

630
00:36:44,373 --> 00:36:46,613
Speaker 6: a great country to visit, New Zealand, but I mean,

631
00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:53,773
Speaker 6: we just can't pay marquee players enough. We would neither

632
00:36:53,973 --> 00:36:57,533
Speaker 6: either really have a big bash or get some other

633
00:36:57,653 --> 00:37:02,933
Speaker 6: owners and who can provide that, and then we lose

634
00:37:02,973 --> 00:37:05,133
Speaker 6: ownership of the teams and the names and the colors

635
00:37:05,133 --> 00:37:07,413
Speaker 6: and the marketing and all that sort of stuff. Not

636
00:37:07,493 --> 00:37:11,573
Speaker 6: that there appears to be that much marketing. The hours

637
00:37:11,613 --> 00:37:14,853
Speaker 6: of course, wouldn't be good to for the Northern Hemisphere

638
00:37:14,893 --> 00:37:19,493
Speaker 6: for television. Cricket's not our main sport in New Zealand.

639
00:37:20,173 --> 00:37:23,213
Speaker 6: We tend to be a very local and regionalized, I

640
00:37:23,253 --> 00:37:31,013
Speaker 6: think group, you know when games are taking place, I

641
00:37:31,053 --> 00:37:34,133
Speaker 6: don't know. I mean, how many grounds do have the lights?

642
00:37:34,173 --> 00:37:37,053
Speaker 6: I guess Auckland number one, but the shape of the ground.

643
00:37:37,093 --> 00:37:39,773
Speaker 6: Hamilton does have lights, doesn't it. Hagley does, but its

644
00:37:39,853 --> 00:37:43,133
Speaker 6: strict use of the lights only certain times of the

645
00:37:43,213 --> 00:37:46,613
Speaker 6: year and so many times. And what would it be

646
00:37:46,613 --> 00:37:49,453
Speaker 6: the stadium in Wellington? I don't know, but I can't

647
00:37:49,493 --> 00:37:51,853
Speaker 6: think of too many can't think of too many others.

648
00:37:52,293 --> 00:37:55,853
Speaker 6: I think trying to get another twenty twenty tournament here

649
00:37:55,893 --> 00:38:02,453
Speaker 6: in New Zealand, you know against already established. Others that

650
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:07,293
Speaker 6: pay well well run SA twenty, Big Bash, lesser extent

651
00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:11,853
Speaker 6: Dubai all at the same time. So the competition for

652
00:38:11,893 --> 00:38:16,133
Speaker 6: the labor the players. When you take out the Indian

653
00:38:16,133 --> 00:38:19,773
Speaker 6: players because they are not allowed to, it's unlikely to

654
00:38:19,813 --> 00:38:25,253
Speaker 6: attract I think the name players you're talking about wads,

655
00:38:25,293 --> 00:38:27,573
Speaker 6: I don't I mean our New Zealand players.

656
00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:29,973
Speaker 7: They're asked to do that.

657
00:38:29,973 --> 00:38:31,853
Speaker 6: It's part of their contract, isn't it, But they don't

658
00:38:31,853 --> 00:38:34,693
Speaker 6: there they Therefore, all that would happen was that all

659
00:38:34,693 --> 00:38:39,613
Speaker 6: going for casual contracts. Yeah, and then and then we'd lose.

660
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:45,173
Speaker 6: Then we'd lose more, you see, and New Zealand contracts

661
00:38:45,173 --> 00:38:49,453
Speaker 6: would then be held by lesser players. So I can't

662
00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:54,813
Speaker 6: see the answer other than you know, you start in

663
00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:58,773
Speaker 6: New Zealand. I think our tournament, as Moose mentions isn't

664
00:38:58,773 --> 00:39:00,613
Speaker 6: as bad as we think it is, and you will

665
00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:02,213
Speaker 6: have seen a lot more than I would have.

666
00:39:04,293 --> 00:39:05,093
Speaker 7: Of twenty twenty.

667
00:39:05,453 --> 00:39:07,653
Speaker 6: I think it's probably quite a reason it seems to

668
00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:12,093
Speaker 6: be doing the Actually, look at all our A sides.

669
00:39:11,773 --> 00:39:12,773
Speaker 7: That have been coming along.

670
00:39:12,813 --> 00:39:16,213
Speaker 6: Those are players that play in the T twenty league

671
00:39:16,253 --> 00:39:19,253
Speaker 6: as well. Isn't it the like of Hay and folks

672
00:39:19,253 --> 00:39:24,413
Speaker 6: and all those sorts of players. I just feel we

673
00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:27,293
Speaker 6: have to either get a place in the BBL or

674
00:39:27,893 --> 00:39:31,053
Speaker 6: and we offer that as something in our contract time.

675
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:33,653
Speaker 6: Once we've done that, we can offer that as the

676
00:39:33,733 --> 00:39:36,533
Speaker 6: development for a player in T twenty a place in

677
00:39:36,573 --> 00:39:39,853
Speaker 6: the BBL side for New Zealand a place in the

678
00:39:39,973 --> 00:39:42,933
Speaker 6: MLC when they come on board as well in a

679
00:39:42,973 --> 00:39:44,493
Speaker 6: year or so.

680
00:39:44,493 --> 00:39:47,653
Speaker 7: So the very good ones will specialize, won't they.

681
00:39:47,893 --> 00:39:52,093
Speaker 6: The very good ones will say goodbye full day cricket, goodbye,

682
00:39:52,173 --> 00:39:52,893
Speaker 6: and they will.

683
00:39:52,773 --> 00:39:53,493
Speaker 7: Go as they have.

684
00:39:53,973 --> 00:39:56,653
Speaker 6: They'll play for themselves and they'll have five or six

685
00:39:56,693 --> 00:39:59,093
Speaker 6: different colored shirts that they wear in a year.

686
00:40:00,613 --> 00:40:01,973
Speaker 7: That's their life.

687
00:40:02,493 --> 00:40:06,773
Speaker 6: And you know, but as far as Otago and Wellington

688
00:40:06,813 --> 00:40:10,133
Speaker 6: and CD holding their top players for the love of

689
00:40:10,173 --> 00:40:15,573
Speaker 6: playing for the region, I think it's realistically unlikely in

690
00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:16,293
Speaker 6: these days.

691
00:40:16,613 --> 00:40:17,773
Speaker 5: I think the times passed.

692
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:19,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do.

693
00:40:20,653 --> 00:40:23,933
Speaker 5: We we're seeing it now, you know, you're Sie Fitz

694
00:40:24,093 --> 00:40:27,533
Speaker 5: and term Allen's. I mean they're going and playing in

695
00:40:28,453 --> 00:40:32,453
Speaker 5: Australia and doing well. I mean it's all on the Ferguson's.

696
00:40:32,773 --> 00:40:35,133
Speaker 5: Ferguson's and the Melons and all those. I mean, they

697
00:40:35,253 --> 00:40:37,173
Speaker 5: just goes on and on set, and there's been over there,

698
00:40:37,213 --> 00:40:38,493
Speaker 5: Mitchell's been over there.

699
00:40:38,973 --> 00:40:41,733
Speaker 6: I mean, there's lots. All of them have a go

700
00:40:41,853 --> 00:40:43,293
Speaker 6: if they're good enough.

701
00:40:43,693 --> 00:40:49,093
Speaker 5: Completely and well cout blame them because they are professional sportsman.

702
00:40:49,093 --> 00:40:52,253
Speaker 7: And that's why we can't hold them here.

703
00:40:52,733 --> 00:40:53,093
Speaker 5: Correct.

704
00:40:53,933 --> 00:40:55,773
Speaker 3: Just a final word. I was hoping to talk to

705
00:40:55,933 --> 00:41:00,933
Speaker 3: someone from the and the nineteen team, but they're still

706
00:41:01,013 --> 00:41:03,853
Speaker 3: getting back in dribs and drebs or the officials anyway.

707
00:41:04,453 --> 00:41:07,573
Speaker 3: But I got an email from Carl Morgan who was

708
00:41:07,613 --> 00:41:10,013
Speaker 3: interested in it, and he says, why do you think

709
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:12,773
Speaker 3: our under nineteen batsmen struggle as badly as they have?

710
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:15,893
Speaker 3: This team had guys who had runs in first class games?

711
00:41:15,933 --> 00:41:19,973
Speaker 3: Why didn't it carry over? Interesting question? They were up

712
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:22,613
Speaker 3: against some pretty good crickets. I just wonder whether the

713
00:41:22,693 --> 00:41:25,733
Speaker 3: under nineteen tournaments nationally has gone a bit of ahead

714
00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:27,093
Speaker 3: of our under nineteen game.

715
00:41:28,093 --> 00:41:32,053
Speaker 6: I think just the way the tournament worked out for

716
00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:36,053
Speaker 6: New Zealand in particular, meant that they couldn't ever develop

717
00:41:36,133 --> 00:41:43,893
Speaker 6: any rhythm about their game, was it? I mean, I

718
00:41:43,893 --> 00:41:49,973
Speaker 6: I'm sure they're feeling there and they're endearing kind of

719
00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:52,453
Speaker 6: feeling about the tournament. Well, we want to disappointment. They

720
00:41:52,493 --> 00:41:56,773
Speaker 6: won't say that, of course, but they had the weather

721
00:41:56,813 --> 00:41:59,453
Speaker 6: gods against them and during the group phase where they

722
00:41:59,493 --> 00:42:04,213
Speaker 6: hardly played, and so when they did play at Bulawayo,

723
00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:08,813
Speaker 6: they got a pitch that was recovering from rain the

724
00:42:08,853 --> 00:42:13,093
Speaker 6: previous night and the previous day, so the pitch turned

725
00:42:13,173 --> 00:42:16,053
Speaker 6: quite dramatically, that went up and down a little bit.

726
00:42:16,053 --> 00:42:19,293
Speaker 7: You couldn't blame that, you know, the ground staff for

727
00:42:19,413 --> 00:42:22,053
Speaker 7: that either. They fielded very well.

728
00:42:22,093 --> 00:42:24,773
Speaker 6: I thought they fielded as well as any side, but

729
00:42:24,813 --> 00:42:28,093
Speaker 6: their batting never got a rhythm to it. I mean

730
00:42:28,453 --> 00:42:33,053
Speaker 6: my grandson, for example, got he was about twenty not

731
00:42:33,173 --> 00:42:36,133
Speaker 6: out in ten overs and that was about his That

732
00:42:36,253 --> 00:42:39,293
Speaker 6: was about it until the last game of the group match.

733
00:42:39,893 --> 00:42:44,413
Speaker 6: The guy ready from Northern Districts. He's a good little player.

734
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:48,333
Speaker 6: He hadn't batted at all until he got to that match.

735
00:42:49,253 --> 00:42:53,333
Speaker 6: So it's very difficult, I think, to make it a

736
00:42:54,973 --> 00:43:01,973
Speaker 6: definitive judgment about that whole tournament for them. They also

737
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:04,653
Speaker 6: got a lot of illness. As it happens. They won't

738
00:43:04,693 --> 00:43:08,773
Speaker 6: make these excuses and neither should they. But the doctor

739
00:43:08,893 --> 00:43:12,053
Speaker 6: was so busy he used up all all his you know,

740
00:43:12,133 --> 00:43:15,453
Speaker 6: all his pills and all his lotions and potions and

741
00:43:15,613 --> 00:43:21,053
Speaker 6: ungjuants and all sorts of things. So they were playing

742
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:25,693
Speaker 6: in the last match. They're only eleven are able to stand.

743
00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:30,093
Speaker 6: So so it was just like us going down to Pakistan.

744
00:43:30,133 --> 00:43:33,453
Speaker 6: The first eleven to breakfast, you're in and so I

745
00:43:34,093 --> 00:43:38,493
Speaker 6: I have a bit of sympathy for the team. I'd

746
00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:42,013
Speaker 6: have to say whether our batting that did look, I've

747
00:43:42,053 --> 00:43:43,533
Speaker 6: got to say not as powerful.

748
00:43:44,293 --> 00:43:45,853
Speaker 7: I mean, even in the semis.

749
00:43:47,013 --> 00:43:50,293
Speaker 6: I don't know how India not to play first the

750
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:53,893
Speaker 6: first two matches before everybody else. Not only did they

751
00:43:53,893 --> 00:43:56,573
Speaker 6: have the first round match, they had their second round

752
00:43:56,613 --> 00:44:00,133
Speaker 6: match before anybody else in their group played the first

753
00:44:00,213 --> 00:44:04,133
Speaker 6: round match, and that didn't seem.

754
00:44:03,893 --> 00:44:04,813
Speaker 7: Quite right to me.

755
00:44:05,733 --> 00:44:10,693
Speaker 6: It's also they they've had this semifinal at Harari, and

756
00:44:10,933 --> 00:44:14,613
Speaker 6: they obviously played well. They played against Afghanistan. Afghanistan played

757
00:44:14,653 --> 00:44:17,453
Speaker 6: really well. I thought, three hundred and ten for four

758
00:44:18,133 --> 00:44:20,653
Speaker 6: in their fifty overs, damn good in his one guy

759
00:44:20,693 --> 00:44:23,373
Speaker 6: getting one hundred and then India got three hundred and

760
00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:26,653
Speaker 6: eleven for three in forty one overs.

761
00:44:27,213 --> 00:44:28,853
Speaker 7: Goodness gracious. See.

762
00:44:28,893 --> 00:44:31,413
Speaker 6: So it's just that they are a bit ahead of

763
00:44:31,493 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 6: us in terms of confidence and attack and the shots

764
00:44:35,333 --> 00:44:39,733
Speaker 6: that they play in the first Semi England two seventy

765
00:44:39,733 --> 00:44:43,173
Speaker 6: seven that was played at Bulaweo two seventy seven for

766
00:44:43,253 --> 00:44:46,853
Speaker 6: seven the guy ru quite well known from Sussex down

767
00:44:46,933 --> 00:44:51,173
Speaker 6: that area. I got one hundred and Australia two fifty beaten.

768
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 6: One guy got one hundred there as well. Olive folks

769
00:44:56,253 --> 00:44:58,373
Speaker 6: Folks on peaks was it there? I got a hundred

770
00:44:58,413 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 6: as well. So yeah, look, they were a little bit

771
00:45:02,853 --> 00:45:05,253
Speaker 6: better than us. They looked better than us, but they

772
00:45:05,253 --> 00:45:08,293
Speaker 6: had got a rhythm to their matches. They hadn't had

773
00:45:08,453 --> 00:45:10,773
Speaker 6: to sit out and watch their reign and watch their

774
00:45:10,813 --> 00:45:14,413
Speaker 6: form go up and smoke or down and rain. And

775
00:45:14,453 --> 00:45:19,573
Speaker 6: so I do feel a little bit a little bit

776
00:45:19,573 --> 00:45:23,093
Speaker 6: for the lads because they trained just as hard, they'd

777
00:45:23,093 --> 00:45:27,133
Speaker 6: played games, they had coaches there and all the help

778
00:45:27,133 --> 00:45:30,373
Speaker 6: that they could possibly get, and and it was just

779
00:45:30,453 --> 00:45:32,333
Speaker 6: taken away from them in a sense.

780
00:45:33,413 --> 00:45:39,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, disappointing into a tournament for that, it was, Yeah,

781
00:45:39,533 --> 00:45:41,373
Speaker 3: but I think we can take heart from the fact

782
00:45:41,373 --> 00:45:44,453
Speaker 3: that we have some very good players in that level

783
00:45:44,733 --> 00:45:48,013
Speaker 3: that those players will head onto the New Zealand a

784
00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:51,173
Speaker 3: program in a short period of time over the development

785
00:45:51,173 --> 00:45:53,573
Speaker 3: and we've done pretty well with our a cricketers haven't

786
00:45:53,573 --> 00:45:56,013
Speaker 3: we had in recent times. So that's a that's an

787
00:45:56,093 --> 00:46:00,133
Speaker 3: encouraging area because there's a number already playing first class

788
00:46:00,173 --> 00:46:03,133
Speaker 3: cricket and there'll be a number that you know, will

789
00:46:03,853 --> 00:46:05,373
Speaker 3: we'll play in the very near future.

790
00:46:06,093 --> 00:46:07,333
Speaker 7: Yep. They'll come through, Wads.

791
00:46:07,533 --> 00:46:10,213
Speaker 6: They'll come through if they continue to work hard and

792
00:46:10,253 --> 00:46:14,013
Speaker 6: that matters to them that they do well and they'll

793
00:46:14,053 --> 00:46:18,293
Speaker 6: remember this trip and they will also take some pretty

794
00:46:18,853 --> 00:46:21,893
Speaker 6: i mean interior kind of things from it to say

795
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:24,773
Speaker 6: that's not going to happen, you know. To me again,

796
00:46:25,253 --> 00:46:27,173
Speaker 6: I'm going to make the most of my innings and

797
00:46:27,213 --> 00:46:29,373
Speaker 6: I'm going to make the most of my spell and

798
00:46:29,413 --> 00:46:32,453
Speaker 6: I'm going to hold all the catchers because it matters

799
00:46:32,973 --> 00:46:35,013
Speaker 6: when I get the chance, and there's a privilege that

800
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:37,413
Speaker 6: goes with it, you see, and that was removed from them,

801
00:46:37,813 --> 00:46:40,053
Speaker 6: and I think that that will if they are the

802
00:46:40,093 --> 00:46:43,253
Speaker 6: competitors you want, that will matter to them.

803
00:46:44,413 --> 00:46:49,933
Speaker 5: I think it's a general observation. I'm quite buoyed by

804
00:46:50,053 --> 00:46:53,693
Speaker 5: the depth that New Zealand cricket seems to be having.

805
00:46:54,293 --> 00:46:57,853
Speaker 5: You know, players were called into the One day series

806
00:46:57,853 --> 00:47:04,333
Speaker 5: against India very little experience and still perform well. Our

807
00:47:04,373 --> 00:47:06,853
Speaker 5: A two is doing well, so I think the depth

808
00:47:06,933 --> 00:47:08,853
Speaker 5: and I think, Jerry is you're quite rightly pointed out

809
00:47:08,853 --> 00:47:11,533
Speaker 5: the down Lining tournament they didn't really get a fair

810
00:47:11,573 --> 00:47:17,013
Speaker 5: crack at it, and that needs to be sort of

811
00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:21,773
Speaker 5: judging on that basis. But I think broadly speaking, we've

812
00:47:21,813 --> 00:47:24,773
Speaker 5: got quite a lot of depth through our provincial scene

813
00:47:24,813 --> 00:47:28,773
Speaker 5: and I think it allus quite well. I just yeah,

814
00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:29,653
Speaker 5: I'm quite yep.

815
00:47:30,813 --> 00:47:32,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there we are, Carl. There's the answer to

816
00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:36,573
Speaker 3: your question. I think of a fair assessment of what

817
00:47:36,773 --> 00:47:40,173
Speaker 3: was a difficult time for our under nineteen side, and

818
00:47:41,613 --> 00:47:44,493
Speaker 3: I guess they will learn lessons from that as well. Jens,

819
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:49,693
Speaker 3: I hope you don't have too much political stuff shoved

820
00:47:49,693 --> 00:47:51,733
Speaker 3: at you through the World T twenty, but I've got

821
00:47:51,733 --> 00:47:54,173
Speaker 3: a funny feeling that politics is going to play a

822
00:47:54,173 --> 00:47:58,413
Speaker 3: bigger part in the early stages anyway than cricket as such.

823
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:01,053
Speaker 3: So we'll just have to grin and bear it, so

824
00:48:01,173 --> 00:48:04,493
Speaker 3: to speak, and enjoy and I hope New Zealand is

825
00:48:04,533 --> 00:48:08,733
Speaker 3: capable of being able to win games against US downe

826
00:48:09,093 --> 00:48:12,613
Speaker 3: u AE, South Africa and Canada to advance to the

827
00:48:12,693 --> 00:48:15,293
Speaker 3: next stage. We will wait and see and watch with interest.

828
00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:17,933
Speaker 7: Guys, all right, we'll listen.

829
00:48:18,053 --> 00:48:22,853
Speaker 6: Leads, good to chat, yep, absolutely all right, we catch

830
00:48:22,893 --> 00:48:28,333
Speaker 6: another time mate, Yeah, all right, all the world fulties

831
00:48:28,733 --> 00:48:30,973
Speaker 6: of summering.

832
00:48:36,253 --> 00:48:38,853
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