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Speaker 1: Hello you great New Zealanders. Matt Heath here.

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Speaker 2: This is my last week on this podcast, sadly, but

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Speaker 2: if you're not sick of me and you want more

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Speaker 2: of my weekly content, you can follow my weekly substack

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Speaker 2: mailout article at Matdheath dot substack dot com. This week

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Speaker 2: I discussed fighting fomo after my friends betrayed me and

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Speaker 2: went to Germany without me. You Jerry, g Laane, Joseph

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Speaker 2: and Maniah, I love you, but you hurt me. Anyway

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Speaker 2: you seem busy, I'll let you go to Matteath dot

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Speaker 2: substack dot com. Bless, Bless, Bless the fourth of October

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Speaker 2: and the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Welcome

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Speaker 2: all you bespokey dokies to the last daily bespoke podcast

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Speaker 2: with me.

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Speaker 1: Mad Oh, that's me, mad he I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I see that anyway.

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Speaker 3: With with me referred yourself from a third person. It's

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Speaker 3: time to start referring to yourself from a third person.

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Speaker 2: It'll it'll obviously this this this potal We'll go on

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Speaker 2: and to greater things, but.

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Speaker 1: I'll miss this.

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Speaker 2: The podcast has been you got the radio show, but

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Speaker 2: then this podcast has been one of my great joys

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Speaker 2: what we've done with the podcast, and I just love

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Speaker 2: it just that that came along where we could actually

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Speaker 2: talk whatever shit we felt like talking for a long

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Speaker 2: time in a row without having to go to ads

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Speaker 2: or songs, and arguably the most self indulgent podcast that's

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Speaker 2: ever existed.

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Speaker 1: Like just just Us.

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Speaker 2: And to be able to broadcast to such a on

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Speaker 2: this pod to so many people, and people come up

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Speaker 2: to me and they talk about this podcast more than

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Speaker 2: they talk about anything. So how good was that that

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Speaker 2: came along? At some point we were always doing the pod,

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Speaker 2: but then we started just doing this and that's but

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Speaker 2: it's just I mean, I'll listen back to these pods

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Speaker 2: sometimes and just I laugh, and then I always have

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Speaker 2: huge regret because I go, I miss the jokes that

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Speaker 2: you guys say because I'm off blasting.

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Speaker 1: Off on my own.

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Speaker 2: That real good thing, And then I'll hear just a

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Speaker 2: great joke from one of you guys, or you know,

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Speaker 2: a great piece of insight, and I've just missed it

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Speaker 2: because I'm talking about my downstairs or something.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think that on this podcast, truly get to be yourself,

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Speaker 3: and that's why I think it's become popular. I think

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Speaker 3: it's because it's the totally unedited, unfiltered, unfiltered go wherever

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Speaker 3: you're like, which means that sometimes it ends up being

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Speaker 2: I mean that you get loads and highs exactly some

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Speaker 2: of the worst, some of the best, but oddly and

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Speaker 2: she always says at the end of the stupidest ones,

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Speaker 2: the ones that are just so dumb and long and ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: not the one where we're off coming with something prepared,

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Speaker 2: we want to do this.

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Speaker 1: People don't care about those ones. It's the ones that

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Speaker 1: are just so you know.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, what I love about our listeners is

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Speaker 2: they'll just message that was so punishing.

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Speaker 1: And they mean that as a complimence.

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Speaker 3: Yea, I love the book. I love the ones that

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Speaker 3: we get to the end of it. And then she

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Speaker 3: will go, you boys happy with that one? And there

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Speaker 3: was delete that delete that Are you happy with that one?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question that it's like, how could you

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Speaker 4: Last night I was having a listen to the first

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Speaker 4: myself here that I was ever a part of, and

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Speaker 4: it was a podcast back in what probably twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys were talking about it town the

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Speaker 4: show actually going up on the Tangineer. If you haven't

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Speaker 4: listened today's radio show, we're just coming out the back

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Speaker 4: it was a podcast where you were talking about Lislie Nelson,

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Speaker 4: It's nice Beaver part from and you met it were

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Speaker 4: you guys have always it's always been the best, and

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Speaker 4: people have always said that is when it's just you two.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny because I don't think. I don't think

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Speaker 3: But god, it means a lot what you.

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Speaker 1: Guys do in my life.

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Speaker 2: And this sounds like a yeah, trite thing to say,

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Speaker 2: Jerry will be a test. We'll be able to attest

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Speaker 2: to this that there was a time in my life

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Speaker 2: Everything I've done is terrible and to the point, and

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Speaker 2: I've done this everything I've done in my life. Like

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Speaker 2: I watched this film I make or the Devil Did

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Speaker 2: quite a good film. And from the second we finished

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Speaker 2: my book about how I was booing it when we

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Speaker 2: And it's taken me a long time to be able

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Speaker 2: It's a real privilege and it's good. Even though it's shit,

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Speaker 3: What it is.

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Speaker 2: But this is but you guys are and on you

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Speaker 2: grateful as I leave that I did actually remember to

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Speaker 2: to it like everything else I've gone is don't watch it,

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Speaker 2: don't know why I was like that, but thankfully, over

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually after my mum died.

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Speaker 2: I sort of had this awakening in life that you

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Speaker 2: know that you're lucky to be here, and you're lucky

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Speaker 2: here for ever. Nothing's here for ever, even your mum's

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Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're trying to say.

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Speaker 4: I think you're you're a fascinating case medic because you're

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Speaker 4: your head. I mean, fuck, there's a head I'd like

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Speaker 4: to be inside. It moves at one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: Only imagine why.

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Speaker 4: And it's one of your greatest strengths is how quick

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Speaker 3: Kind of stuff as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I can see, mate, that's fucking crazy.

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Speaker 3: lead to another idea, will lead to us being on

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Speaker 3: a computers because you've got the time to look something

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Speaker 1: Your blast and audio and in one ear, and it's so relaxing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually mentally very relaxing after you've done what

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Speaker 3: we think is some kind of tight radio show other

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Speaker 3: But to us it kind of was because it didn't come.

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Speaker 3: started in the world of punishing student radio, where you

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Speaker 2: And it might sound silly, but both you and I

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Speaker 2: do like craft. We do like to get good at something,

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Speaker 2: And when it happens to your mesh, I mean, you're

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't die for your parents. You might die for them,

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Speaker 2: my work done in the morning so I could be home.

438
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 2: And I made this that I'll be home when they

439
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: walk in the door, so I could go. I used

440
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: to write home and to be knowing home, and I

441
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 2: sort of just wander around looking for something. And so

442
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: I just really loved the idea of you know, my

443
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: mum would be somewhere far into the house and study

444
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: or something, but you know, lovely person.

445
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: But I just wanted more kids to walk in the

446
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: door and go, hey, buddy, yeah home.

447
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: So whatever happened in the world, they knew that when

448
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: they came in that door, it was it was the strong,

449
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: powerful place where everything was great for them. And yeah,

450
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: I had a chat with Charlie the other day and

451
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: he said, you've never told me off in my entire life.

452
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 3: That's remarkable. Oh my god, that's remarkable.

453
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: And I said, haven't. I We were trying to think

454
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: of a time and we couldn't. I haven't but that's

455
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: because I haven't had to. It's because I don't know

456
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 2: that that's by the by.

457
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you could have found things, you know what

458
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean. You could have been one of those kinds

459
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 3: of appearance that goes, Okay, this kid's amazing, I'm going

460
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 3: to now put more pressure him to be uber amazing.

461
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: But that you never tried to do that.

462
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: I guess they didn't know what telling off was because

463
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: I always got down on my knees when they did

464
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 2: something wrong, and I'd always look in their eyes. I

465
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: watched an episode of Supernanni that Larnie made me watch,

466
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: and it was like, look in their eyes and tell

467
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: them what they've done wrong, and put them in time out,

468
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: tell them you love them, this is what you've done wrong.

469
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: You're going to be over here for a bit, and

470
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: then afterwards you get them to repeat what they've done wrong,

471
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: and then you go over to them and you and

472
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: then they'll be over by the fridge, and then I'd

473
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: get down on my knees and look into their eyes

474
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: and say this is what you did.

475
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: What did you do wrong?

476
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 2: And they say that, and I say, oh that's good,

477
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: I love you, and then sent them on their way. Yeah,

478
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: so they didn't recognize that as telling off, but that

479
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: was actually quite intense telling off. And I remember we

480
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: overheard this family when we were staying at a batch

481
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 2: and these we overheard these parents talking in this other

482
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 2: room why Matt and Lanney's kids so well behaved? And

483
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: they said, it's a cross of intense love and intense discipline.

484
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: That's so true. Oh man.

485
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: But but there's this other cliche thing I want to

486
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: say now, because we're in this kind of emotional peace

487
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 2: pipe sort of mode.

488
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Here is God.

489
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: If you can choose gratitude over resentment in your life

490
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: every time resentment pops up, if you can choose gratitude

491
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: over resentment.

492
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: And that took me.

493
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: I such a resentful human being for so long, and

494
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: and those resentments pop up in me all the time.

495
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: I'm like driving to somewhere and I'm resentful. And then

496
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: I just remember, even if it's you've ordered the wrong ottoman,

497
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: the person's cocked up and there's something recent and the

498
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: wrong ottoman arrives, grateful that you can buy an ottoman,

499
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it's the most the

500
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: most shallow word, but that we need to tell kids

501
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: that from the younger stage. Every time you get a

502
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: chance to be grateful as opposed to resentful. Every time

503
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: you do that, your life is better. It opens up

504
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: and as opposed to closes down. And there's another saying, well,

505
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm punishing philosophies. If you choose the path and that

506
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: enlarges you as opposed is to shrunk you a.

507
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: As the best path. But anyway, I'm going off topic.

508
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: Here, But do we need to take a break and

509
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: come back?

510
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, to take a break and punishing people, that's terrible philosophy.

511
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: These margaritas are good.

512
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: No, these margaritas are good. Have you heard about that idea?

513
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: And I watched Diahinwoods documentary the other day and he

514
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: was talking about the universe teaching you lessons and as

515
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: soon as it's taught you the right amount of lessons,

516
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: then you move on. Jeez. And I thought there was

517
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: something in that. I was like, you know, I don't

518
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: know if I believed in that. And then I started

519
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: thinking about that, and I thought about you know, I

520
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: thought about the show, and I thought about you know,

521
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: where we have come as people and all that sort

522
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: of stuf. And I thought about you and I and

523
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: I thought about how it used to be when we

524
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: first started doing the show, and it was definitely different.

525
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. It was the same. You

526
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: were the same, I was the same, but we were different.

527
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: And over the years this show, hanging out with you,

528
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: doing all that sort of stuff, working with other people,

529
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: has taught me so many things. Eleven years, I couldn't

530
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: even start to talk about all the things that I've learned,

531
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: so many things. And I feel like before we started

532
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: doing the show, my life was something, and then all

533
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: of a sudden, it went on this particular it went

534
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: out the side all of a sudden, And I think

535
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: that now is a good time. I think we've learned

536
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: a lot, and I think now is a good time.

537
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 3: I think we've learned what we've needed to learn. And

538
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 3: the universe said, you've learned what you need to learn.

539
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 3: Now you're going to go into a new situation and

540
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: you're going to learn a whole lot of new things.

541
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: Punishing other people.

542
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're going to have a whole lot of

543
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: different people to work with, and you're going to learn

544
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: a whole lot of things about different types of people,

545
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: because they'll they'll it will be different, you know, whatever's

546
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: happening here. You've done what you needed to do here,

547
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: and now you go somewhere else and you do something

548
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: else somewhere else. Yeah, I think what you'll bring to

549
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: that brand, and it will take a while before because

550
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 3: it's a powerful brand and it has its own culture,

551
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: and it's a strong culture, and it's a successful culture.

552
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: But it needs to evolve, you know, like everything, it

553
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: has to keep evolving. And so I think you will

554
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 3: bring something and that's it's entirely necessary because the universe

555
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: just demands it.

556
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Well, if you're going to get happy to be about that.

557
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: I feel like, because I've been with you the longest time, Jerry,

558
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: is that you came along as the person I needed

559
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: who was willing to go back and forth on these

560
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: ideas for years, because most people aren't willing to just

561
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: wound each other with ideas and go through ideas over

562
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: time and develop them and take things on and take

563
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: things and listen to each other and become something else

564
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: with someone as opposed to butting heads.

565
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: But like you turn up with no.

566
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: Ego, which is phenomenal for you because you've got every

567
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: reason to have the biggest ego in the entire fricking world.

568
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: I mean, as doctor Steve Simpsons from the University Physics

569
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: department said to me once, someone has to be Jeremy Wells,

570
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad it's not a cunt.

571
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: So I thought it was just such.

572
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: A great line.

573
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: Someone who's super smart, you know, very handsome, and lovely.

574
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what are the chances of that those three

575
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: things appearing in one person? It seems unlikely. I mean,

576
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: you had every right to be the bully, you know. Instead,

577
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: you're just a You're You're like a cheerleader for people.

578
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 3: I've done some bad things. We've all done terrible things.

579
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: I've done some terrible things. We've all done terrible things.

580
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: I've done plenty of terrible things. Yeah. So, yeah, I

581
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: already missed this as well. I I think, you know what,

582
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: I think I'll miss this. I don't know what I

583
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: missed the most, but I think that maybe I missed

584
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: this the most. Yeah, because this was this was totally unique.

585
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: I think when we first started doing this, nobody was

586
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: doing podcasts. Certainly nobody's doing podcasts like what we're doing.

587
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: You essentially forced me to start doing it, and I'm

588
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: always happy to go along with things that you come

589
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: up with because you always come up with something that's

590
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: always fun. It's like it's always got something. It's you've

591
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: never got nothing, it's always got something. And I've always

592
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: liked that about you. There's lots, like heaps of ideas.

593
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: There's always an idea you're never you never turn on.

594
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean occasionally, if you've been out for like three

595
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: days or something, you might turn up and have maybe

596
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: le this idea is the normal, But very rarely even

597
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: then you'll have an idea. And so that's a great

598
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: that's so good. Working with someone like that, God, it's good.

599
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean working with someone have no ideas, like nothing,

600
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: with no energy, with no ideas and just don't want

601
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: to take it in a direction. I'm always prepared to

602
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: go in whatever direction you want to go because I think, oh,

603
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: if I jump on board of this, I'll just jump

604
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: on board of it, see where it goes.

605
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I think that the exact same thing about yourself.

606
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: I'll miss this. I'll miss this massively because this has

607
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: been a biog This is this is so liberating, but.

608
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: This has been that.

609
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: This is a great team we've got at the moment,

610
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: and you always tend to leave if you're very lucky

611
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: in life. You get to leave something in the state

612
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: it's not on fire, and you're not running out of

613
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: the house grabbing your stuff. You know you're leaving when

614
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: it's in a great state, and you even though we

615
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: didn't get near the whatever goals they were, we kind

616
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: of got in the goals of making something that's so

617
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: good that after every every live radio show we go,

618
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: how many days do we not go?

619
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: That was a good show. Yeah, that's a great show.

620
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: I love that.

621
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: And even if it was just us that loved it,

622
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: the four of us freaking love it. We've loved it,

623
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: and so we go off slapping our backs. This consultants

624
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: is everyone on the company going, Jesus Christ, what.

625
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: The fuck was that? We go?

626
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: That was great?

627
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: And so that's something that's something And God, you've got

628
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: to say, Radiohodech.

629
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Has been very good to me. They've supported me and

630
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: allowed me to be in whatever I wanted to be.

631
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: And how many places do you get to be yourself?

632
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: Jesus, Fourteen years is a bloody long time and one employment.

633
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: I mean that's a long time. God, that's a long time.

634
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: And it's uninterrupted. It's not like people don't always understand

635
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: that you can turn up for a year and do

636
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: a radio show every day for three hours, and that

637
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: takes something. Takes something to do it every for a week.

638
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: To be honest, when people first doing I mean we've

639
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: first started doing the show. After our first week, we

640
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: were both shattered. We were like, holy crap, it was

641
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: full on.

642
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: The manage adrenaline that's pumping through your system.

643
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god. You come down from that. Every day

644
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: it's full on. And then to do it for a

645
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: year as something. You get to the end of the

646
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: year and you exhausted and you've given a lot of yourself.

647
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: And then you get to two three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

648
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: fourteen years of doing this, doing that every day as

649
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: a remarkable effort. It really is. Are you're not done?

650
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: This is the thing. You're just going somewhere different to

651
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: do more of the same sort of stuff. Very good point.

652
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: Got to make sure you keep give yourself something, you know, always,

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Speaker 3: because you're not a person who likes to give themselves anything.

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Speaker 3: But that's something that that's my one piece of advice

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Speaker 3: that I will leave you with is that when you

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Speaker 3: go and do something else. Allow allow something for yourself,

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Speaker 3: because I think you know you give a lot, but

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Speaker 3: allow something if you know what, I don't quite know

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Speaker 3: how to explain that. But go easy on yourself. You

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Speaker 3: know you hard on yourself. Go easy on yourself. Firstly,

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Speaker 3: you've done You've done great things in your life. You've

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Speaker 3: written a book. You're the only person in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: to have written a book that sold really well, wasn't

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Speaker 3: self published, made a television successful television shows series number

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Speaker 3: of them, a movie done, a breakfast radio show every day,

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Speaker 3: a podcast, and a drive show. You're the only person

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand and commentated cricket and sport. You're the

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Speaker 3: only person in New Zealand who ever done that. So

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Speaker 3: and give yourself some credit. And one best kids show

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Speaker 3: and the humiliated, made shows for like the worst shows

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Speaker 3: you could ever make for an adult, not the worst,

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Speaker 3: but the most x rated, and then made shows for

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Speaker 3: kids at the same time, and everything in between. So

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Speaker 3: you give yourself something, give you give go easy on

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Speaker 3: yourself well.

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Speaker 2: And and can I just say before we go, you

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Speaker 2: guys are great. And I will listen to the show

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Speaker 2: as a fan. And you guys are freaking talented and

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Speaker 2: it's bloody awesome that you guys are going to continue

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Speaker 2: on and and and thing. You know, my my, my

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Speaker 2: feeling in my heart is it will get it'll be

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Speaker 2: better and going forward than it is now.

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Speaker 1: And all right, exactly, I didn't learn less immediately, didn't

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Speaker 1: learn will go on.

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Speaker 3: It will never be the same, but it will go

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Speaker 3: go on. It will go on.

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Speaker 2: It won't be the same, but the changes is a big,

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Speaker 2: big it's a part of everything.

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Speaker 1: You've got to embrace it.

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Speaker 2: Also, I love you all, and and thank you so

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Speaker 2: much to the people that listen to this because they've

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Speaker 2: allowed us to do this and allowed this podcast to

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Speaker 2: be a lot more successful than our radio show was

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Speaker 2: because they've allowed have tuned in and listened and allowed

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Speaker 2: us into their lives and and put up with the

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Speaker 2: you know, the peaks and troughs and just keep downloading

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Speaker 2: and listening to this podcast. So so so you're all,

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Speaker 2: you're all the people are listening, you're all part of this.

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Speaker 2: You're all part of this as well, and continue listening

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Speaker 2: and can can continue here and and maybe and maybe

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Speaker 2: I'll be sitting out there in the in the in.

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Speaker 1: Bay ballet vaping and knocking on the window. Maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: come in for the odd guest appearance.

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Speaker 2: Mate, I love you, love you too, and Shocker and

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Speaker 2: Rucker stays a secret.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're still recording.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just got to do one last bless Blessed, blessed,

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Speaker 2: give them a taste of care.

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Speaker 1: We you seem busy, I'll let you go. Hello, I'm

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath.

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Speaker 2: You have been listening to the Mat and Jerry Daily

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Speaker 2: Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen to our Radio

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Speaker 2: Highlights podcast, which you will absolutely get barred up about. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: sit to download, like, subscribe, write, review, all those great things.

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Speaker 1: It really helps myself and Jerry and to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 1: Mess and Ruder.

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Speaker 2: If you want to discuss anything raised in this pod,

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Speaker 2: check out the Conclave, a Matt and Jerry Facebook discussion group.

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Speaker 2: And while I'm plugging stuff, my book, A Lifeless Punishing

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Speaker 2: Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've Got is out

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Speaker 2: now get it wherever you get your books, or just.

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Speaker 1: Google the bastard. Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: Bless Blessed, blessed, give them a taste of key. We

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Speaker 1: from me,