1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Nice to be able to end the year on some 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: more educational news. In the classroom. Of course, we're seeing 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: tangible improvements in areas like maths and literacy. O The 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: unions have been a bit of a problem though, but 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: part of that at least is sort of this morning, 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: a deal cut with the secondary teachers four point six 7 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: percent over two years, along with sector and curriculum changes 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: next year. Erica Stanford is the Education Minister and is 9 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: with us. Good morning, Good morning mate. You're relieved. 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: I look, I'm really pleased. I'm pleased for those teachers 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: because I've been working so hard to raise achievements and 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: close the equity gap. And from next year, you know, 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: they'll see pay rises and then again the following year, 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: and they deserve that. 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Did you move much in the end from where you started? 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: We did a small amount. It's been really quite a 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: tough road with the unions this time around, and I 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 2: think you saw from Brian, Sir Brian Roach, you know, 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: the frustration over bargaining where we just didn't really have 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: any idea where the unions wanted to go because they 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: weren't particularly forthcoming with where they wanted to bag and 22 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: so we were flying a bit blind, but I think 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: in the end that sort of resolved itself, and there 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: was quite good negotiations that happened towards the end where 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: they actually said, hey, this is what we're willing to 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: negotiate on, so we knew where we were going. So 27 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: a good resolution in the end, and I hope that 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: the NZDI will will follow. 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, who's settled, who's left. 30 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: So we've had in terms of Secondary where I'm hoping, 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: fingers crossed, that will settle principles shortly, so obviously that 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: the teachers are done, I'm hoping the principles will follow. 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: With Primary, we have done a part of the principles. 34 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: The Primary Principles collect a bargaining union have settled. They 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: represent about six hundred of the of the principles, so 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: that they are settled. And so now we are looking 37 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: at the rest of the primary principles and primary teachers 38 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: and so we'll we're negotiating and good faith. 39 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: How many unions are you dealing with here, I mean 40 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: this is a cluster. 41 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: Well, she knows it's quite good having a number of unions, 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: you know, the PPCBO, the Primary, then a new name 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: it's terrible at p PCBU, but they have been wonderful 44 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: to deal with. They settled early, they settled quickly, they 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: were very good to deal with. They put a number 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: of things on the table that they wanted, they were 47 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: very clear. You know, of course, there's SPANS a Secondary 48 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Principles Association. They're also very very good to deal with. 49 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: So having different unions outside of PPTA and NZDI is 50 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: actually quite a good thing, and we have got very 51 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: good relationships with them. 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: How much of this whole thing do you think, in 53 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: your heart of hearts is about the fact they hate 54 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: you because you're conservatives. 55 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 2: Oh look, I couldn't say. You'll have to ask them 56 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: that that's certainly well, no, they probably won't. But look, 57 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty obvious that they you know that 58 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: they are very critical and whenever there is good news 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: like the fact that every single primary intermediate is going 60 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: to get a learning support coordinator, deadly silent. So you know, look, 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: it is what it is. But I'm actually not worried 62 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: about them. All I care about is making sure that 63 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: our kids are doing really well in school and all 64 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: of the you know, the grief I get from the unions, 65 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. It melts away in a second 66 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: when I see the results for our kids with reading, writing, 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: and maths improving, because that's what I'm here to do, 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 2: and that's what I'll continue to drive to do, regardless 69 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: of what the unions say. 70 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: Good on you. What's your Spotify age? 71 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: Oh god, I did it last night after I saw 72 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: the report. So it's forty nine. And I'm not forty nine. 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: By the way, are you not? 74 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm closed, but I'm not. It's the 75 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: problem is I stopped listening to new music in about 76 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and so that's aspire as I go. 77 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: So what was your hot artist? 78 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: It was the Goo Goo Dolls and then Green Day. 79 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that that's good music. Listen, have Merry Christmas. 80 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: Lovely dealing with you this year, and I'm sure we'll 81 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: deal with each other next year as well. 82 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, you enjoy your holidays. 83 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: Take your Ministry of Education, Erica Stamford. For more from 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. 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