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Speaker 1: Another backdown from Trump. Landers Richard toldas earlier on as

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Speaker 1: he blinks again, this time over tech laptop, smartphones, memory chips,

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Speaker 1: they're now excluded.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The significance here is that's twenty percent of Chinese business

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Speaker 1: into America. Of course, commentator Bill Bennett is with us

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Speaker 1: this Monday morning. Bill, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: That presumably means there aren't millions of Americans with tiny

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Speaker 1: little screwdrivers looking to screw in tiny little screws anymore.

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Speaker 1: So that saves them getting employed in Idaho and Indiana

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Speaker 1: and all the other places. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a complete mess, and it's confusing, and it's

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Speaker 2: the one thing that is actually doing for companies that

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Speaker 2: are in the business is that it's not giving them certainty.

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Speaker 2: And if you ever speak to any people and business

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Speaker 2: doing these things, you know the one thing they're looking

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Speaker 2: for is certainty. And like I said, that's success what

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Speaker 2: they're not getting. But the whole idea that you can

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Speaker 2: build iPhones in the US, it's a fantasy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the point about people's highly screw drivers, it's true,

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Speaker 2: and there are there are hundreds of thousands of people's

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Speaker 2: people doing that in China. But behind the people that

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Speaker 2: are on the front line assembling things like iPhones and

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Speaker 2: laptops and so on, there are very qualified, very skilled

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Speaker 2: manufacturing engineers, and there are lots of them. There's probably

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand of those people in Shensen alone, just one

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Speaker 2: city in China, and there's probably not maybe two thousands

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Speaker 2: in all of the USA. And those people have three

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Speaker 2: or four year degrees. They you know, they go away

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Speaker 2: to college, they learn that stuff. Then they need to

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Speaker 2: get experiences on just getting those people in place, unless

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Speaker 2: unless you bring them all in from China, which of

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Speaker 2: course is the last thing mister Trump wants to do.

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Speaker 2: Unless you do that, America is going to take sort

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Speaker 2: of seven or eight years just to get those people

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Speaker 2: in place lit alone anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't even know if it's worth

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Speaker 1: talking to you, because you and I you know, you're

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Speaker 1: a bright guy and we get it. But what, given

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Speaker 1: what you've just explained, and given how obvious that is,

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Speaker 1: what's driving the thinking behind on shoring that's never going

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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's what when things went the other way, jobs

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Speaker 2: were lost. That's that's the shore. I mean, factories closed

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Speaker 2: and the jobs moved to China and Mexico and India

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Speaker 2: and Vietnam and so on from the USA. But the thing, but,

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Speaker 2: like I just said that, it's not something it's not

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Speaker 2: a reversible thing. It's not something you can bring back.

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Speaker 1: No, exactly precisely. Bill appreciate it very much. Bill Bennett,

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